CdnFox Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 On 12/26/2024 at 12:51 PM, Tony Hladun said: The rest of Canada will never agree to Alberta's independence. In the West we know who will form the Federal Government before the first ballot is counted in Manitoba. So politically Alberta will never have influence, but it can get itself a guard dog. The oil in the oil sands really belongs to the US, they are the ones that will consume it over time. The US has fought wars and sacrificed countless American lives to get oil so putting a leash on Ottawa will be easy. Trump may be the man to do it. Trudeau and Guilbeault want to kill the oil industry and Ontario and Quebec are happy to tax it to death. The US is the only friend Alberta has (besides Sask), but it's a powerful friend. US shale oil is a temporary solution and as production declines Alberta's oil will become ever more important. The oil sands are the world's third largest reserve. The US economy is petroleum based and they will not be willing to pay the price to go electric. Maybe Danielle will say something to Donald at the inauguration? There are a number of inaccuracies here. In no particular order, Your comment about knowing who the government was before manitoba counts its first vote was certainly true in the eighties. Even to a lesser degree in the 90s. But every census the west gets more seats than the east does and that has been adding up over time. In fact Alberta got the most new seats out of the last census. Back in the day quebec had more seats than all of the west combined. Now the west has far more seats than quebec does. It has become very very hard to win a majority gov't without strong support in the west. Soon, it will become hard to win at all without strong support in the west. And alberta is growing seats faster than anyone. Trudeau and Guilbeault will likely be gone within 4 months and the liberals won't be coming back into power for at least 8 years, probably more. I'm not sure they'll even survive. Poilievre is very pro oil and grew up in Alberta. So your complaints there aren't really valid The US doesn't give a Flying Fig about Alberta and has made that absolutely clear. When Paul Martin was in and gretchen was in and Alberta separation sentiment was extremely high, even higher than it is now, balloons were floated with the united states and they came back extremely clear that they were not remotely interested. I have little doubt that Danielle Steel Will say much to trump at the inauguration about playing nice with canada and in the end peace will be made. Trump hates Trudeau, he doesn't really hate Canada. Well then a few years alberta's oil will be booming again and probably expanding. But the chances of alberta surviving on its own are very close to zero for a number of reasons, and their chances of being taken over by the United States I'm afraid are pretty much the same. Alberta will serve itself best by continuing to grow and continuing to gain political power and working with the provinces around it to present a more united front to the east. A united western Canada would be very very hard to mess with Quote
eyeball Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 37 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said: Alberta picks up the tab yet again. Alberta sent Canada a cheque for the Transmountain pipeline? Bullshit. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Moonlight Graham Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: Rally who and for what exactly...some sort of armed resistance....give me a break...the last poll taken said only 37 % of all canadian feel any pride for their own nation, that say it all in one sentence.....and lets say for augment sake you rallied the people for what exactly, a fight....your going to take on the most powerful nation in the world, with what sticks and stones........This is all chest pounding for no real reason at all ... The US is not invading anyone in Canada....you've fallen for that leftist crap that trump is going to make us the 51 st state.....WHY would he do that....the sky is not fallin.... I don't believe Trump will invade the US, he's a blow-hard. WWI and WWII significantly increases national pride in Canada. WWI led to the Statute of Westminster and WWII led to the creation of Canadian citizenship, our own flag, and our own Crown (Canadian vs British). Look at how 9/11 united the USA. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
herbie Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 And I can remember going to visit Alberta in my teens before the oil boom. Dirt roads, sawdust floors in the supermarket, there weren't any separatists then. No one would consider treason simply for an extra dollar in their pocket. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 17 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: I don't believe Trump will invade the US, he's a blow-hard. WWI and WWII significantly increases national pride in Canada. WWI led to the Statute of Westminster and WWII led to the creation of Canadian citizenship, our own flag, and our own Crown (Canadian vs British). Look at how 9/11 united the USA. My point exactly, he's a bully looking for a fight, the cost of this fight is going to more than just giving him what he wants and to be honest what our borders need at this time is more investment into our security apparatus. it is a win win for Canada... Sure it did, but at what price did those men and women pay for that national pride, every major conflict has caught this nation flat footed, without the man power or equipment to go to war, those men and women paid the price with their life's going into battle with poor or the cheapest equipment....That the price we pay when we are not prepared....scholars, historians and military experts have been saying for decades the next conflict is come as you are....because modern equipment takes to long to manufacture...we will be going ready or not...because that is what Canada does.... One can also unit a country through leadership and rebuilding this nation is going to take all kinds of leadership...picking a fight with the school bully is not a good way to start this leadership and rebuilding of a nation... 2 hours ago, herbie said: And I can remember going to visit Alberta in my teens before the oil boom. Dirt roads, sawdust floors in the supermarket, there weren't any separatists then. No one would consider treason simply for an extra dollar in their pocket. They had pride in themselves and their nation, something we lack in both areas...like they say tough times makes tough people , good times makes soft people....and we have been soft for a long time... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 On 12/26/2024 at 6:21 PM, Aristides said: Any tax we apply will be added to the price America pays, the way any other business tax gets passed on to the consumer. Alberta wouldn't be affected. Our government would be collecting the revenues, not the US government through tariffs. Your thinking just like trump right now...thinking these tariffs are not going to effect americans or canadians is crazy talk....we already seen it the last time he added tariffs, the price on aluminum went up on both sides of the border...anything made or packaged in aluminum went up in price....the only ones going to win are the governments on both sides, we the consumers are going to pay, with either higher prices, lost production, perhaps even lost jobs if it goes on long enough....our supply chains are intermingled, and depend on no tariffs or work stoppages....Alberta will be greatly effected as will our entire country.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Army Guy said: My point exactly, he's a bully looking for a fight, the cost of this fight is going to more than just giving him what he wants and to be honest what our borders need at this time is more investment into our security apparatus. it is a win win for Canada... Crackin' down and gettin' tough is comin' back! Yeeehaw! More guards, barbed wire, prisons, a bunch of new or old rewritten laws to fill them up with. Billions for the military. Halcyon Days are here, or will be soon with PP on the horizon! 45 minutes ago, Army Guy said: ..like they say tough times makes tough people , good times makes soft people....and we have been soft for a long time... This is why I say re-engineer our education systems to better prepare future generations for the tough times ahead. Arrest and prevent the possibility of woke ever taking root at an early age starting with Kindergartens that resemble Klingon Military Prep schools. But seriously... 45 minutes ago, Army Guy said: ...picking a fight with the school bully is not a good way to start this leadership and rebuilding of a nation... It sure as hell beats rebuilding it on the basis of caving to the schoolyard bully. Edited January 4 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 23 minutes ago, eyeball said: Crackin' down and gettin' tough is comin' back! Yeeehaw! More guards, barbed wire, prisons, a bunch of new or old rewritten laws to fill them up with. Billions for the military. Halcyon Days are here, or will be soon with PP on the horizon! This is why I say re-engineer our education systems to better prepare future generations for the tough times ahead. Arrest and prevent the possibility of woke ever taking root at an early age starting with Kindergartens that resemble Klingon Military Prep schools. But seriously... It sure as hell beats rebuilding it on the basis of caving to the schoolyard bully. Law and order is a conservative thing....billions for the military, they talk a good game, but in the last 40 years no one really came close to meeting our signed onto defensive agreements.... Yes PP will soon become our next PM, if justin ever agrees to step down....but i don't think the sky will be fallin any time soon....took justin almost 9 years to break everything going to take at least that to put it all back together... You make it sound like he is being a bully....dozens of US presidents have asked us politely to fix stuff over multi decades...Stuff that is our government responsibility to keep up with it's maintenance...they have used this funding to fund more social programs instead of keeping our word as a nation we would at least make it look like we cared.... So now that finally a US president says fix it or you'll pay us tariffs....for providing that security for you....thats being a bully....and Canada is pissed at being called out as a lagard, for cheaping out on SIGNED defense agreements which includes our borders....he is sending us a wake up call....fix it or find out what comes next....they have asked over and over again, and all we did was show them the finger....what is it you don't understand here.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 42 minutes ago, Army Guy said: So now that finally a US president says fix it or you'll pay us tariffs....for providing that security for you.... What is it about you guys who always seem to come up with a different reason for Trump's application of his tariffs? Buy yeah keep on giving him ideas. I guess you got your Team Canada and then you got your Team conservative. In the meantime it's pathetic to see the apologetics coming out for PP before he's even been elected. 49 minutes ago, Army Guy said: ....took justin almost 9 years to break everything going to take at least that to put it all back together... Bullshit. Canadian PM's have IMMENSE powers compared to US presidents when it comes to getting things done. PP could snap up hundreds of billions within weeks for an Emergency Security Omnibus spending package to fund crackin' down, gettin' tough, securin' borders and fundin' the military. Please don't give me a bunch of woke procurement garbage...just git 'er done. The same with real free trade and where no trade barriers means NO trade barriers. There's billions that could be saved knocking up to 15% off the day to day costs Canadians labour under by killing inter-provincial trade barriers. Why on Earth are these trade barriers not a HUGE issue btw? You right wingers REALLY need to unleash if you expect to be taken seriously. All these should be well under way including all the woke shit preventing everything from oil permits to nuclear plants within 2 years. I can allow that it might take another 7 years to tackle the really awful wokism that's out there but there should be no need to sweat the small shit in the meantime. Git 'er done. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 16 hours ago, eyeball said: What is it about you guys who always seem to come up with a different reason for Trump's application of his tariffs? Buy yeah keep on giving him ideas. I guess you got your Team Canada and then you got your Team conservative. In the meantime it's pathetic to see the apologetics coming out for PP before he's even been elected. Bullshit. Canadian PM's have IMMENSE powers compared to US presidents when it comes to getting things done. PP could snap up hundreds of billions within weeks for an Emergency Security Omnibus spending package to fund crackin' down, gettin' tough, securin' borders and fundin' the military. Please don't give me a bunch of woke procurement garbage...just git 'er done. The same with real free trade and where no trade barriers means NO trade barriers. There's billions that could be saved knocking up to 15% off the day to day costs Canadians labour under by killing inter-provincial trade barriers. Why on Earth are these trade barriers not a HUGE issue btw? You right wingers REALLY need to unleash if you expect to be taken seriously. All these should be well under way including all the woke shit preventing everything from oil permits to nuclear plants within 2 years. I can allow that it might take another 7 years to tackle the really awful wokism that's out there but there should be no need to sweat the small shit in the meantime. Git 'er done. We have already given trump those reasons, you act like our border is secure and our security apparatus is just fine as it is...When CBSA has been screaming it is not fine, the rest of our security apparatus has been doing so for decades. Stop acting like there is NO problem...now you people are butt hurt because the US president is saying fix your problems or face the consequences.... BTW this entire issue has been cooking under the liberal government for more than 10 years now....it has got nothing to do with the Conservatives...This is all on the liberals and their voters.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 7 minutes ago, Army Guy said: ...This is all on the liberals and their voters.... Bully for them, I was calling for the inspection of every single container and vehicle crossing the border long ago when Trudeau was still just a little girl in pigtails and Canada was ruled by Conservatives as often as not. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 6 minutes ago, eyeball said: Bully for them, I was calling for the inspection of every single container and vehicle crossing the border long ago when Trudeau was still just a little girl in pigtails and Canada was ruled by Conservatives as often as not. Maybe you should get into politics, earn a very nice pension, bring change to the nation as you see fit.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 23 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Maybe you should get into politics, earn a very nice pension, bring change to the nation as you see fit.... It would only frighten you. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 Just now, eyeball said: It would only frighten you. Common sense does not frighten me...you have many ideas i agree with does that frighten you... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Common sense does not frighten me...you have many ideas i agree with does that frighten you... No, but your preoccupation with all things left-wing is a little dismaying and it doesn't inspire much confidence in your assessment of what constitutes common sense. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
taxme Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 On 12/26/2024 at 2:04 PM, Aristides said: Canada can apply an export tax to oil, gas and electricity exports to the US. A last resort but we shouldn't be afraid to do it or anything else if necessary. Trump is just mouthing off but our governments need to come up with contingency plans just in case. Canada could not fight itself out of a wet paper bag, Canada is so weak and ignored. Trump can hurt Canada way more than Canada could ever hurt America. I want to see Trump kick the commies asses in Ottawa. 😁 Quote
taxme Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 On 1/2/2025 at 8:16 PM, Nefarious Banana said: Canada chows down on the pizza, complains about the crust, cheese, etc., and Alberta picks up the tab yet again. Quebec is a parasite, and the rest of Canada wrings its hands rather than taking the medicine to sh!t this parasite out. Canada is f'ked as long as Quebec is involved. Canada will never see it's potential as the rest of Canada allow Quebec to run and ruin this once great English speaking nation. Wtf has Quebec ever done for the rest of Canada to help make Canada great? I know? Sweet phuk all. As you said, Quebec is just one big sucking parasite to the rest of Canada and the rest of Canada allows it to happen. Alberta needs to join America if it wants to see it's full potential. Sad but true. Just my opinion. 😊 Quote
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