A simple solution to reduce the number of murders in Canada

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Speaking for myself it's really easy. The first 5 commandments and the Old Testament are way to right wing and conservative.

So you pick which commandments you will accept based on whether they fit your left wing ideology or conservative ideology.  We know who your god is and it isn't the true God of the Bible.

The god of left wing ideology, or Marxism/Socialism is Satan and his host of demons.

Edited December 20, 2024 by blackbird

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

You said killing is wrong period.  Now you're admitting police do it sometimes.  

What about "a woman's right to choose", i.e. abortion?  Do you support that?

I never said that. 

I do  support a woman's right to choose up to a point in a pregnancy. You and I aren't going to agree on what point a foetus  becomes a person so lets not bother getting into it.

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I do  support a woman's right to choose up to a point in a pregnancy. You and I aren't going to agree on what point a foetus  becomes a person so lets not bother getting into it.

Since the Bible teaches a pre-born baby is a human from conception, how do you square that circle?

Who are you to say a pre-born baby is not a human at any point and killing it is acceptable?

You are saying your own thinking comes before what God says in his written word, making yourself a higher authority.   Isn't that how Satan thinks?

Edited December 20, 2024 by blackbird

[Aristides]

Just now, blackbird said:

Since the Bible teaches a pre-born baby is a human from conception, how do you square that circle?

Who are you to say a pre-born baby is not a human at any point and killing it is acceptable?

You are saying your own thinking comes before what God says in his written word, making yourself a higher authority.   Isn't that how Satan thinks?

Squaring things with the Bible is your problem, I just have to square things with my conscience.

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Squaring things with the Bible is your problem, I just have to square things with my conscience.

What governs your conscience?   If not God's written revelation, then what?   Demons?

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

What governs your conscience?   If not God's written revelation, then what?   Demons?

Respect for other people.

[blackbird]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You and I aren't going to agree on what point a foetus  becomes a person so lets not bother getting into it.

You want to avoid the subject because you know you don't have a leg to stand on.

You are ok with killing pre-born babies, but oppose capital punishment for convicted murderers.  Very warped.

Just now, Aristides said:

Respect for other people.

Again, you show your mental state.  You're ok with killing babies in the womb, but want murderers to escape capital punishment which God ordained in Genesis 9:6.

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

You want to avoid the subject because you know you don't have a leg to stand on.

You are ok with killing pre-born babies, but oppose capital punishment for convicted murderers.  Very warped.

No, I just know from experience that it is a dead end argument and don't want to waste my time on it. 

I would put that right back to you, You support executing people but not a woman's right to choose so don't get all holy on me. 

[Aristides]

GP Moran, David Milgaard, Claude Paquin, Steven Truscott, Donald Marshall. Just a few of those convicted of 1st degree murder and later found innocent. They would all be dead if you had your way.

[blackbird]

11 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 

I would put that right back to you, You support executing people but not a woman's right to choose so don't get all holy on me. 

The Bible teaches the pre-born are people.  The Bible also murderers should receive capital punishment.  How do you manage to oppose what God says?   Do you believe in God and do you believe in the Bible?

Deal with it.

[blackbird]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

GP Moran, David Milgaard, Claude Paquin, Steven Truscott, Donald Marshall. Just a few of those convicted of 1st degree murder and later found innocent. They would all be dead if you had your way.

Not necessarily.  That is your claim but is a lie.  It is hypothetical.  They were eventually released, correct?

The justice system needs to be improved so that errors do not occur. That is the answer. 

The authorities need to find ways to ensure that verdicts are 100% correct. 

Not giving capital punishment for murder, is letting them off and punishing the victim's families.  That is not justice. 

Edited December 20, 2024 by blackbird

[Aristides]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Not necessarily.  That is your claim but is a lie.  It is hypothetical.  They were eventually released, correct?

The justice system needs to be improved so that errors do not occur. That is the answer. 

The authorities need to find ways to ensure that verdicts are 100% correct. 

Not giving capital punishment for murder, is letting them off and punishing the victim's families.  That is not justice. 

 

As long as humans are involved, errors will occur.

If you had your way they would have been executed. If you can square executing innocent people with your conscience, don't preach to me about abortion.

[blackbird]

13 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 

As long as humans are involved, errors will occur.

If you had your way they would have been executed. If you can square executing innocent people with your conscience, don't preach to me about abortion.

I already said quite clearly a number of times the system needs to be changed so there are no errors.  You chose to ignore that. 

Abortion is clearly killing people.   Not sure how you live with yourself.  Want to kill innocent humans but no capital punishment for murderers.  Yet you don't see the contradiction in your thinking.

[Aristides]

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I already said quite clearly a number of times the system needs to be changed so there are no errors.  You chose to ignore that. 

Abortion is clearly killing people.   Not sure how you live with yourself.  Want to kill innocent humans but no capital punishment for murderers.  Yet you don't see the contradiction in your thinking.

I'm not ignoring anything. There will always be errors when humans are involved.  

Life is full of contradictions that must be weighed and decisions made so don't preach to me about some perfect mistake free society that will never exist. 

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I already said quite clearly a number of times the system needs to be changed so there are no errors. 

There is no such thing as a no error system. It is not possible. And stop making me have to agree with Aristides. 

 

[blackbird]

Canada must strive for a criminal justice system that makes no errors.  Instead of thinking negatively, think positively.  In cases that are iron-clad where there is scientific evidence such as DNA or other things, there should be no question.  It should end in capital punishment.  Every case needs to dealt with on its own merits.  If there is serious doubt, then of course there should be no capital punishment.  

Allowing murderers to escape capital punishment is no solution.  It is a capitulation to evil of the worst kind.

We have hundreds of murders in Canada and people do not feel safe in many cities, parks, etc.  This is because nobody has confidence in the justice system.  How could they when known dangerous offenders are repeatedly arrested and released on bail or parole?  How could they when criminals are given lighter sentences because of their racial background?

If there is anything positive about the idea of medical assistance in dying, it may be the idea of using if for convicted murderers.  There is no other justification for MAID.  Making MAID available to people with mental illness and people that suffer housing problems, financial problems and handicapped people just shows how degenerate our society has become.

Allowing murderers to escape capital punishment is a serious form of mental degeneracy.  It is not protecting the law-abiding citizens.

Edited December 21, 2024 by blackbird

[Aristides]

MAID must be requested and approved, it isn't a punishment. You sure are bloodthirsty for someone who claims to be a Christian.

Edited December 21, 2024 by Aristides

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Canada must strive for a criminal justice system that makes no errors. 

There is no such thing and there can be no such thing. It is fundamentally impossible. Call it the heisenberg uncertainty principle of legal justice.

Every system can be hacked. Every model can have errors. It is not possible to have an error-free system.

And if you take one look at our government you will realize that there is absolutely no chance of them coming up with one.

 

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

So you pick which commandments you will accept based on whether they fit your left wing ideology or conservative ideology.

No, on whether they make sense.

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

We know who your god is and it isn't the true God of the Bible.

The god of left wing ideology, or Marxism/Socialism is Satan and his host of demons.

This is nonsense from start to finish.

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

No, on whether they make sense.

This is nonsense from start to finish.

Fake fundamentalists also pick which parts of the Bible they will follow or not. 

Are they wearing poly fibers? Are they lending money or borrowing money?

[Gaétan]

On 12/20/2024 at 10:02 AM, blackbird said:

Very childish.  Read the Bible.  There is far more in the Bible than one word or one sentence.

I just quoted Genesis 9:6 and you totally ignored it.  Do you think God inspired men to write Gen. 9:6?

Why did God ordain capital punishment there?    

You should take into account what Moses says because Jesus told to not put new wine in old barrels because everything is lost.

[blackbird]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Fake fundamentalists also pick which parts of the Bible they will follow or not. 

Are they wearing poly fibers? Are they lending money or borrowing money?

So says the liberal who claims to be a Christian conservative but rejects the basic tenets of Christianity and the Bible.    Seriously, get a grip.

Have you ever posted anything other than trying to appear to be on both sides of an issue?  

Edited December 21, 2024 by blackbird

[blackbird]

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

There is no such thing and there can be no such thing. It is fundamentally impossible. Call it the heisenberg uncertainty principle of legal justice.

Every system can be hacked. Every model can have errors. It is not possible to have an error-free system.

And if you take one look at our government you will realize that there is absolutely no chance of them coming up with one.

 

Nothing is perfect in this imperfect world. 

We still give police guns to do their job.  The outcome of their job is not perfect and people get killed occasionally.

We don't disarm them because of the deaths that occur occasionally.

We shouldn't take capital punishment off the table because the justice system is not 100% perfect.  We need to do everything humanly possible to fix the system.

Convicted murderers still need to receive capital punishment.  We just need to do it very carefully and scientifically to ensure there are no errors.

The medical system sometimes makes mistakes.  They did with me and with my sister seriously affecting our hearts.

We don't stop providing specialized medical care because some make mistakes.  We carry on and do the best we can as a society.

We don't shut down the highways because people get killed on them sometimes.  In fact, we still let a lot of people drive who are reckless and break the traffic laws constantly.  Another case of failing justice that costs thousands of lives.  In fact if a drunk under influence driver kills someone, he only gets a few years and then he is out free again while his victim is dead and their family suffers.

That should be the same thing with the justice system.  Don't let convicted murderers escape what they are due.

Edited December 21, 2024 by blackbird

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 12/19/2024 at 6:34 PM, blackbird said:

Where did I post that?   You are inventing things now.  Also changing the subject.

 

So on top of everything you are a big liar too. You are a disgrace to Christianity.

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 12/19/2024 at 6:34 PM, blackbird said:

 

You are one very confused individual.   You don't understand the difference between killing a person with assisted suicide and capital punishment for murder.  The Bible (God's word) forbids killing people.  But the Bible allows for the exception for capital punishment for murder when done by a proper justice system and legitimate process.

You appear to have come from a backward country in the middle east or Asia that does not hold Judeo-Christian or Biblical beliefs at all but you failed to learn the basics of western civilization and beliefs.  Your thinking is very confused and irrational as a result. 

 

My culture is by far more advanced than the religious backward culture you are coming from. You may have been physically born in North America but your soul and culture is from Middle East of 2000 years ago when and where Christ was born.

I believe in what is proven by science. The evolution and at the same time I don't have reasons to reject possibility of creation. You have your heads sinking in a the sands of book written many years ago and repeat everything which is there blindedly.

I believe in justice, gender equality, democratic values, freedom of choice and oppose religious fanatism, extremists, leftists and those opposed minority rights (though i do believe people are not equal and certain religion must not be allowed to spread evil on democratic soils)