Another Monster Attacks a School

[ironstone]

7 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

In fairness... you should wait until you have actual information but I know that is too much to ask. 

A lot depends on who the shooter turns out to be and whether it helps or harms the leftist media narrative. As an example, look how long information was suppressed regarding the Nashville school shooting because the shooter was transgender.

Another perfect example is a shooting that took place in Kansas City after the Superbowl.

 

[Aristides]

A shooter is a shooter, F*ck the victims, lets make it political, that way we don't have to deal with any real issues.

Edited December 17, 2024 by Aristides

[CdnFox]

13 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

do you notice something? There is nothing political about the article YET. But that will not keep the internet trolls of the world from fabricating something. 

Like you just did? You are literally a self-fulfilling prophecy

12 hours ago, Politics1990 said:

another sad day in america they really need to  pass some legialation  or do something to end this no other country has school shooting as often   like them.

Yeah, they should make it illegal or something. Oh wait.....

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, Aristides said:

How many times do I have to say that Canadian laws were a good compromise between ownership and public safety before Trudeau started messing with them.

Those dead kids are on people like you because you put the right of any id*ot to own any gun they want above the lives of children.

You aren't capable of dealing with anything other than in extremes.

Most of the guns I own, all of which are non-restricted, could have caused this many deaths or more in just about the same amount of time or less. 

And frankly most of the knives in my kitchen could too.

It's not the tool.  This girl somehow came to a point where she decided she was going to kill people. That's the problem. And the only way to stop it at that point is to identify and address the girl. Not worry about which tool she chooses to do it. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

A shooter is a shooter, F*ck the victims, lets make it political, that way we don't have to deal with any real issues.

That is literally your mantra, not anyone else's.

At this point what is being reported is that it was a 15 year old girl who did the shooting.

15-year-old girls can't buy guns, it's illegal to sell a 15 year old girl a gun in most states. So this isn't about laws about selling guns.

At some point if the news reports are accurate a 15-year-old girl decided that she should be killing some of her teachers and classmates. Any sane person would say that is where we need to focus, something horrible happened there and there must have been some sort of signs or something that could have led to Intervention which prevented this.

Or would you feel better if she had stabbed everyone? Would the deaths have been ok then?  Yeash. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Aristides said:

A shooter is a shooter, F*ck the victims, lets make it political, that way we don't have to deal with any real issues.

Notice how politicians and the media only come down on gun violence seemingly when the victim is a billionaire CEO, especially when the killing is politically motivated.  I guarantee that if some of these school shooters decided to aim for rich elite types in droves, there would be a massive push to repeal the 2nd amendment, by the powers that be.

In America, school children are expendable. Rich CEO's are not. 

Edited December 17, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Notice how politicians and the media only come down on gun violence seemingly when the victim is a billionaire CEO, especially when the killing is politically motivated. 

They Didn't come down on gun violence for that. The gun hardly got mentioned. The right came down against murder and the left came down in favor of murder. The gun doesn't seem to a factored in

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36 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Most of the guns I own, all of which are non-restricted, could have caused this many deaths or more in just about the same amount of time or less. 

And frankly most of the knives in my kitchen could too.

It's not the tool.  This girl somehow came to a point where she decided she was going to kill people. That's the problem. And the only way to stop it at that point is to identify and address the girl. Not worry about which tool she chooses to do it. 

That is a disingenuous argument if I ever came across one.

If school shooters only armed themselves with hunting knives, what would the death toll be for Sandy Hook, Columbine, or Virginia Tech? One? Two? Three? Stab would, on average, are far less lethal than gunshot wounds, so chances are, the majority of stabbing victims would survive, with minor injuries. 

A killer with a gun is going to have a death count exponentially higher than a killer with a knife. 

Meanwhile, the number of school shootings continues to skyrocket, to such a degree, that unless there are at least a dozen deaths, the American public usually with forget about it within a few weeks.  Thank God I live in Canada, where we have sane gun control laws, and that it is very rare to have any school shootings. The last major school shooting that I can recall, was in 2006 Dawson College in Montreal (2 dead, 19 injured). 

 

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6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They Didn't come down on gun violence for that. The gun hardly got mentioned. The right came down against murder and the left came down in favor of murder. The gun doesn't seem to a factored in

Which is in stark contrast to when the left come down hard on school shootings and push for tighter gun control measures, and the right keep saying that the status quo is completely acceptable, like it's perfectly normal for first World nations to have dozens of school shootings each year. 

That is the difference between me and you. I happen to care about young school children, where you are more concerned with the CEO of a heartless health insurance company. 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

That is a disingenuous argument if I ever came across one.

 

Well you are the master of disingenuous arguments but I'm afraid you are wrong in this particular case

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If school shooters only armed themselves with hunting knives, what would the death toll be for Sandy Hook, Columbine, or Virginia Tech?

Hard to say, but based on similar incidents it could be quite a few. Dozens in some cases, 

A surge in mass attacks has killed dozens in China in recent months : NPR

But why would they only have hunting knives?  Why not run people over with a car?  or a truck? 

Police confirm 35 people dead and dozens injured after driver rams car into crowd

2016 Nice truck attack - Wikipedia

Or fire. 18 kids just died from some sicco lighting a fire in kenya in september and there's been many mass casualty fires. 

Arson Fires have frequently been mass casualty events in the USA as well:

Happy Land fire - Wikipedia

 

Didja have any more questions kiddo?

IN china guns are basically banned. ANd i just showed you that there are COMMONLY mass casualty events there.  And i've shown you there are many many other ways to do it. 

And that's excluding serial style killings where they just kill them in ones or twos over time. There's estimated to be upwards of 50 serial killers active in the us at any time. And they can kill dozens. 

18 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Meanwhile, the number of school shootings continues to skyrocket,

Yes.  Despite the fact the number of guns has stayed about the same. 

Sooooo.....  It sounds like it's not the guns.  The guns haven't changed so what has? The people.  

And instead of addressing the people, you suggest we address guns. 

You're position is political, not rational. 

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Which is in stark contrast to when the left come down hard on school shootings and push for tighter gun control measures, and the right keep saying that the status quo is completely acceptable, like it's perfectly normal for first World nations to have dozens of school shootings each year. 

No, the left comes down on guns after school shootings, doesn't mention any killings at all if they're not gun related, and the right comes down on the killings and says we should do something to stop them that will actually work such as Addressing the people.

Canada tends to take the address the person routine and the number of potential mass murders have been stopped as a result of that despite the fact that there are quite a few guns kicking around Canada.

But the problem is you can't have a rational conversation about it in the states. The democrats don't want to talk about it at all if it doesn't involve a gun. If it does involve a gun then the only thing they want to do is talk about taking guns away from waffle gun owners who've done nothing wrong and refuse to have a sensible discussion about how to actually address the problems.

This girl didn't just snap one day. Almost nobody does. There are signs and warnings and red flags, and if you know what to look for and if you know where to turn to get help Can easily be prevented.

But you don't want to talk about that. Because the deaths aren't what really worried the left, they just don't like guns because guns are a republican thing and republicans are bad.

So you virtue signal about the deaths while at the same time killing any conversation that might actually lead to fewer deaths

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11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But the problem is you can't have a rational conversation about it in the states. The democrats don't want to talk about it at all if it doesn't involve a gun. If it does involve a gun then the only thing they want to do is talk about taking guns away from waffle gun owners who've done nothing wrong and refuse to have a sensible discussion about how to actually address the problems.

When all else fails, blame the Democrats. 

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

When all else fails, blame the Democrats. 

When all else fails, deflect from the truth and try and make the democrats own failings the responsibility of someone else.

You're living proof that I'm right. But thank you for hammering the point home  

[gatomontes99]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

How about tactical bullet-resistant childrenswear as well?

How do you protect kids from their teachers? I still recall a couple of epic meltdowns teachers had when I was a kid.

It happens...

Teacher Allegedly Made Shooting-Spree Threats

 https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-may-28-na-briefs28.3-story.html 

Who protects us from the military, police or government?

[User]

13 hours ago, Aristides said:

Anyone can get guns in your country. Your background checks only apply to licensed dealers and  are a bad joke. There is no record of private sales. Because that's the way you want it.

Anyone can get guns in your country. Its only a degree of difficulty and willingness to break the law. 

I am all for better background checks, but the people who hate guns are more interested in hating guns than improving the system. 

 

[User]

7 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Notice how politicians and the media only come down on gun violence seemingly when the victim is a billionaire CEO, especially when the killing is politically motivated.  I guarantee that if some of these school shooters decided to aim for rich elite types in droves, there would be a massive push to repeal the 2nd amendment, by the powers that be.

In America, school children are expendable. Rich CEO's are not. 

No, don't notice that at all. Every chance Democrats get, they will use any school shooting to politicize it to push for more gun control. 

 

[User]

7 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Meanwhile, the number of school shootings continues to skyrocket,

This is comical. More kids are being butchered and drugged to be turned into transsexuals, but you don't think that is a grand scale or a problem... 

But you will freak out about school shootings. 

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1 hour ago, User said:

This is comical. More kids are being butchered and drugged to be turned into transsexuals, but you don't think that is a grand scale or a problem... 

But you will freak out about school shootings. 

I care about real events, not imaginary things. 

[User]

Just now, DUI_Offender said:

I care about real events, not imaginary things. 

Here you go again... now you are back to denying it happens. 

You are not an honest person. 

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3 minutes ago, User said:

Here you go again... now you are back to denying it happens. 

You are not an honest person. 

I am not brainwashed by ridiculous anti-LGBTQ propaganda. I would hate to think of what you would say about Jews if this was the 1930s, or any other group. I feel sorry for you. You are brainwashed by propaganda. You definitely are not the first to fall for disinformation.

[User]

4 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I am not brainwashed by ridiculous anti-LGBTQ propaganda. I would hate to think of what you would say about Jews if this was the 1930s, or any other group. I feel sorry for you. You are brainwashed by propaganda. You definitely are not the first to fall for disinformation.

If this were NAZI Germany, you would be the one claiming Hitler was not killing or experimenting on Jews... and when pressed, you would then claim it is not a large problem, so no need to worry about it. 

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, Aristides said:

1. A shooter is a shooter,
2. F*ck the victims,
3. lets make it political,
4. that way we don't have to deal with any real issues.

You'd get an F in a modern journalism course. 

Write this on your resumé and go to a TNI co-conspirator to get a lucrative job this afternoon:

1. A white shooter is headline news, a coloured or trans shooter is not a story, and if you have no choice but cover a mass-killing event by a coloured/trans person then turn it into a story that's exclusively about "guns", even if the killing was committed with a van or a knife
2. if the shooting fits our narrative then show the victims' faces and give them heartwarming backstories - however false those might be - but just leave them as faceless numbers if we want the story to go away,
3. never let a good tragedy go to waste (the Golden Rule of leftist journalism): you have to make it political if it's a big deal. And always remember that the narrative doesn't have to make sense in order for our cultists to absorb and regurgitate it as instructed
4. we must never deal with any real issues, because they present us with the most powerful stats to back all of our best false narratives. For example, no one says that we have to present black-on-black murders as B-v-B murders: we can just call that "racist" if anyone dares breach the topic, and then include all of the juicy unregistered handgun murder stats into a generic "gun murder stats" category so that we can use them to take rifles away from legal owners.

Honest to God, Aristedes, if you had all the above on your actual resumé, you WOULD get hired this afternoon. Just tell them straight to their faces at the interview "the truth means nothing to me, all I care about is the narrative", and they will ask you to name your price. 

[impartialobserver]

Well the assumptions put forth on here were all wrong. She was not trans nor was she a leftist. Also, not a social justice warrior of any kind. Just someone who was deeply disturbed and did not want to live any longer. The point of my posts yesterday was to say that maybe you should wait until you have actual information before blasting away and this affirms that point. 

About  the shooters manifesto

"The author also writes that they acquired weapons "by lies and manipulation, and my father's stupidity" and describes wanting to die by suicide, but feeling like carrying out a shooting was "better for evolution rather than just one stupid boring suicide."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/abundant-life-christian-school-shooter-wisconsin/story?id=116847316

Edited December 17, 2024 by impartialobserver

[Aristides]

10 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Who protects us from the military, police or government?

Your country is almost 100 years older than mine and you still haven't grown up, How many kids need to die to justify your fantasies.

[CdnFox]

42 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Well the assumptions put forth on here were all wrong. She was not trans nor was she a leftist. Also, not a social justice warrior of any kind. Just someone who was deeply disturbed and did not want to live any longer. The point of my posts yesterday was to say that maybe you should wait until you have actual information before blasting away and this affirms that point. 

You kind of kick that ball off by immediately talking smack about how everybody was going to make it political  It's not like you actually just said hey guys we should wait for all the facts  

As with every shooting I am a proponent of waiting for the facts, and the one fact we knew. To have been borne out by her confession which is that a disturbed young girl got it into her head that it was okay to kill people and that that needed to happen.

And why use a gun? It gets headlines. And if bad people want guns they're going to find them and if they can't they're going to use something else.

There's no way this girl got to this date without sending out some red flags and warning signals that she was in trouble. America wants to get serious about addressing this kind of thing they need to tackle that issue head-on with education and resources for people and parents to recognize when someone's in distress and get them real help, and for a reasonable version of red flag laws that allow the police to investigate and take appropriate action rather than just heavy-handed action or no action when they're dealing with someone who may be emotionally unstable and possibly a threat

That would solve a significant portion of the state's problems. Gun control will not