How much Pride do Canadians have in their own country....

[Army Guy]

For years i have been questioning Canadians loyalty to the nation, and i don't mean just mouthing the words kind of loyalty, like some on here...., but rather willing to put the needs of the country first and the individual second....type of loyalty...some say we are to divided to feel any loyalty to anything...Take a look at Quebecs/ Alberta's separation movements, LGBTQ/ education movement, Indigenous / the ROC, how our government has told us over and over we live in a systematic racist country, or we have no Canadian culture, diversity is our strength, or integrating DEI programs at all levels of government...it is more important to take a knee during our national anthem to pay tribute to some cause than it is to stand for our nations anthem...How we tell our veterans coming home with the scars of war, that your asking to much at this time...how we treated our elderly during the pandemic...I mean once you start putting them down on paper there is not a lot to be proud of... Maybe you can list some of things to be proud off , tried this not long ago and the most we got was 3 things and they were iffy....or maybe the poll was right...

Some can put this lack of loyalty at the feet of the liberal party...as this poll suggests...I mean the liberals took power in 2015....somehow sunny ways have driven our pride some place else....but where ? do we place this loyalty, if not our nation, maybe provinces, or communities, or maybe we as a nation just don't have any pride left for anything... or perhaps we are to concerned with our own lives and our own bubble to care about the nation or the larger mass...

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In 1991, 65 per cent of Canadians reported a “deep emotional attachment” to Canada, according to ARI. That number dropped to 62 per cent by 2015. By 2024, it plummeted to 49 per cent.

Concurrently, the pride Canadians have in their country has fallen sharply. Seventy-eight per cent of respondents in 1985 said they were “very proud” to be Canadian. That number dropped to 52 per cent by 2016. And this year there was another drop — to 34 per cent.

 

Pride in Canada has plummeted to a 30-year low, according to poll

The article highlights several areas they think is responsible for our lack of pride, financial status being one, political status as we already mentioned, covid and how it was handled,Status of most major Federal government departments, and a few others , what do you think "what is responsible for our shrinking pride in our nation"...

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

For years i have been questioning Canadians loyalty to the nation

Canada is not a republic

nobody is bound to any fealty to the Confederation therein

by the Constitution Act 1982,  my nation is the House of Windsor

personal fealty to HM QEII heirs & successors,

forsworn with hand on the King James Bible before God Himself

Regiment, Colours, Commander-in-Chief

volunteer professional Soldiers of the Crown are mercenaries for the Sovereign

loyal to the brothers on the left & right of them

Victoria Hanover, Mother Canada, our Queen & Empress

Dileas Gu Brath

 

[NAME REMOVED]

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

For years i have been questioning Canadians loyalty to the nation, and i don't mean just mouthing the words kind of loyalty, like some on here...., but rather willing to put the needs of the country first and the individual second....type of loyalty...some say we are to divided to feel any loyalty to anything...Take a look at Quebecs/ Alberta's separation movements, LGBTQ/ education movement, Indigenous / the ROC, how our government has told us over and over we live in a systematic racist country, or we have no Canadian culture, diversity is our strength, or integrating DEI programs at all levels of government...it is more important to take a knee during our national anthem to pay tribute to some cause than it is to stand for our nations anthem...How we tell our veterans coming home with the scars of war, that your asking to much at this time...how we treated our elderly during the pandemic...I mean once you start putting them down on paper there is not a lot to be proud of... Maybe you can list some of things to be proud off , tried this not long ago and the most we got was 3 things and they were iffy....or maybe the poll was right...

Some can put this lack of loyalty at the feet of the liberal party...as this poll suggests...I mean the liberals took power in 2015....somehow sunny ways have driven our pride some place else....but where ? do we place this loyalty, if not our nation, maybe provinces, or communities, or maybe we as a nation just don't have any pride left for anything... or perhaps we are to concerned with our own lives and our own bubble to care about the nation or the larger mass...

Pride in Canada has plummeted to a 30-year low, according to poll

The article highlights several areas they think is responsible for our lack of pride, financial status being one, political status as we already mentioned, covid and how it was handled,Status of most major Federal government departments, and a few others , what do you think "what is responsible for our shrinking pride in our nation"...

You trash Canada every chance you get. You are ashamed of your country, and openly side with a foreign entity, when there is a conflict. What is truly sad is you were in the military. I guess we should really look at vexing soldiers better. 

At any rate, I was born and raised in Canada, and I am a proud Canadian. I may disagree with what the Government is doing, but like every other great nation, I have the freedom to be critical of my leaders, without fear of reprisal. Unlike you, I am in the majority. Most people in Canada are proud of being Canadian.

PS...the Alberta separation movement is a joke, and had virtually zero support. The Wexit Party went bankrupt in 2020, with no fanfare.  Even Quebec separatism would fail, if a vote were held on this issue. I also have never seen anyone "taking a knee" during the Canadian national anthem. Perhaps you are thinking of the NFL?

 

 

Edited December 15, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Army Guy]

33 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

You trash Canada every chance you get. You are ashamed of your country, and openly side with a foreign entity, when there is a conflict. What is truly sad is you were in the military. I guess we should really look at vexing soldiers better. 

At any rate, I was born and raised in Canada, and I am a proud Canadian. I may disagree with what the Government is doing, but like every other great nation, I have the freedom to be critical of my leaders, without fear of reprisal. Unlike you, I am in the majority. Most people in Canada are proud of being Canadian.

PS...the Alberta separation movement is a joke, and had virtually zero support. The Wexit Party went bankrupt in 2020, with no fanfare.  Even Quebec separatism would fail, if a vote were held on this issue. I also have never seen anyone "taking a knee" during the Canadian national anthem. Perhaps you are thinking of the NFL?

 

 

Well when we elect people like the liberals you should be forced to hear people complaints....and in todays world the liberals have had more screw ups than the first 6 years....so there is lots to complain about....And i am ashamed of my country and how it has treated it's military/ RCMP and finally its vets....prisoners and terrorist get better treatment than our own Canadians...so should you be...besides i'm not ashamed of my country, i served with the best this country has to offer....I'm ashamed of guys like you....

Yes you have the freedom to be critical but i'm a traitor when i do it....and if you read the last post and the survey less than 1/2 less than 49 % of Canadians have a emotional attachment to this country...

And less than 34 % are proud to be Canadians....so NO most people are not proud to be Canadian. once again your full of BS...please just do some research before you post....this is getting to be a full time job correcting you....

Concurrently, the pride Canadians have in their country has fallen sharply. Seventy-eight per cent of respondents in 1985 said they were “very proud” to be Canadian. That number dropped to 52 per cent by 2016. And this year there was another drop — to 34 per cent. but on the bright side your one of the few....

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/pride-in-canada-has-plummeted-to-a-30-year-low-according-to-poll/ar-AA1vQYab?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=e05efb70775c4662890fb77c46673592&ei=78

 

The fact that these parties have a following is telling, And at one time was the bloc party not the official opposition so spare me they have no traction...Justin took a knee a few times, you can look that one up yourself....just google that stuff...

[CITIZEN_2015]

I am not born in Canada but need be if Canada is in danger (say invaded God forbid), I am ready to give my life for it to defend it.

Being proud of a country may not be the correct sentence but rather I am proud of what Canada stands for. Canada stands for equality (of people regardless of race or religion, gender, orientation), respect and equality for women,  Human rights, and the land of opportunity for those who are ready to work hard, welcome the superior culture and adopt and assimilate and contribute positively to th society and the treasury.

Many Canadians may be unhappy with the country however, they take all of the above as granted and some may not appreciate it. You appreciate it more if you have lived in other parts of the world, even advanced societies like Western Europe and United States, never mind the hellholes countries in Middle East.

Edited December 15, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

[I am Groot]

20 hours ago, Army Guy said:

.I mean once you start putting them down on paper there is not a lot to be proud of... Maybe you can list some of things to be proud off , tried this not long ago and the most we got was 3 things and they were iffy....or maybe the poll was right...

You're trying to choose trees and ignoring the forest. There are a lot of reasons to feel pride in Canada. In this huge, beautiful land that we occupy, in the great cities that we built, in being one of the most prosperous, peaceful, secure and tolerant countries in the world - and in history. There are REASONS millions of people want to come and live here. Starting with it's WAY better than where they are, way better than the places they and their ancestors built in almost every conceivable way.

And our attitude - excluding immigrants - the attitude Canadians were raised in right up through my generation, was always one of a quieter kind of patriotism, which always seemed more confident to me. And it's likely that confidence that we've lost in the last generation or so. We were secure in who we were as a people, but now our cities are clogged with foreigners who have never integrated and have no desire to do so, foreigners who disdain our values, cultures and belief, yet wave their Canadian passport while our prime minister says they have more right to be Canadians than we do.

The attitude of the cultural relativists has permeated liberal society for a generation, seeping into academia and taking it over, as well as the media and popular entertainment. All cultures are equal. We have no right to judge others as inferior and ours better. This smug, nonsensical belief is what people like Trudeau go by when they embrace the world and bring them here, then tell them to not adapt, to retain their cultures which we respect so much.

This could just be a passing thing if we had a strong enough backlash. Boot out the anti-Canadian, anti-Western cultural relativists and academics and clean up the curriculums of our universities. Get rid of all the grievance and ethnic studies. Fire the teachers who have let themselves become indoctrinated and who seek to indoctrinate children. Stop giving ANY grants to the arts if their work is seen as denigrating Canada in any way. The CBC shouldn't be defunded. It should be disinfected. The Rosie O'Donnell types booted out the door along with all the producers who give us nonsensical, unentertaining garbage. The CBC ought to be an organ to encourage pride in Canada. 

As Abraham Lincoln said "The philosophy of the classroom in one generation is the philosophy of government in the next." We need to take back the classrooms from the hateful narcissists in charge today and turn them back to their original purpose of educating, not indoctrinating.

And while we're at it, halt immigration except for specifically needed highly skilled jobs, and turn our hands to integrating the millions who have already arrived. Either they integrate or they leave. We don't need separate ethnic enclaves here full of people whose loyalty is to other lands and other cultures.

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

1. ... now our cities are clogged with foreigners who have never integrated and have no desire to do so, foreigners who disdain our values, cultures and belief, yet wave their Canadian passport while our prime minister says they have more right to be Canadians than we do.

2. The attitude of the cultural relativists has permeated liberal society for a generation, seeping into academia and taking it over, as well as the media and popular entertainment.

3. All cultures are equal. We have no right to judge others as inferior and ours better. This smug, nonsensical belief is what people like Trudeau go by when they embrace the world and bring them here, then tell them to not adapt, to retain their cultures which we respect so much.

4.  Boot out the anti-Canadian, anti-Western cultural relativists and academics and clean up the curriculums of our universities. Get rid of all the grievance and ethnic studies. Fire the teachers who have let themselves become indoctrinated and who seek to indoctrinate children. Stop giving ANY grants to the arts if their work is seen as denigrating Canada in any way. The CBC shouldn't be defunded. It should be disinfected. The Rosie O'Donnell types booted out the door along with all the producers who give us nonsensical, unentertaining garbage. The CBC ought to be an organ to encourage pride in Canada. 

5. And while we're at it, halt immigration except for specifically needed highly skilled jobs, and turn our hands to integrating the millions who have already arrived. Either they integrate or they leave. We don't need separate ethnic enclaves here full of people whose loyalty is to other lands and other cultures.

 

 

1. I find no reason to believe this narrative, and I would say that I'm closer to the scene of the purported crime than you are.
2. I'll give this one a "maybe" but NOBODY is more negative on our culture than the new populists who want to disband courts, police, intellectual and public health establishments because "we" are so rotten.  They should really get together with the far left IMO.
3. I'll give this one a "maybe" too.  It seems to me that people I know who are "culturally" left do indeed apply a religious liberalism without acknowledging that their take on things is a dominant view in our culture.  So then - how can "our" culture be so damaged if they have a loud voice in it?  One thing that I do know is that dialogue would likely sew up this seemingly huge cultural chasm.  Every conversation I have with people who stake a claim on either side shows they're more in the centre than even they know.
4. Yeah, so "cleansing" and "banning" viewpoints is not a conservative view.  If you can't hold your own against an ideology that you disagree with then the answer isn't to arrest the opposition.  I would imagine you would criticize that if people suggested arresting people for anti-trans comments in public.  
5. The left denies the viability and legitimacy of the melting pot also.  It is a real effect and is not multi-culturalism or forced cultural adaptation.

[eyeball]

21 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Some can put this lack of loyalty at the feet of the liberal party...

They're only putting a lack of faith on display.

Our national pride depends on a few key factors to make it viable and a tangible sense of community and faith in that sense is one of them. I think years and decades of dedicated right wing loathing and disrespect for anything other than their own brand has crippled that sense to a point of no return.

[Michael Hardner]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Our national pride depends on a few key factors to make it viable and a tangible sense of community and faith in that sense is one of them. I think years and decades of dedicated right wing loathing and disrespect for anything other than their own brand has crippled that sense to a point of no return.

This. 

[Dougie93]

16 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Yes you have the freedom to be critical but i'm a traitor when i do it...

the traitors are of course these leftist lunatics whom invoke our American brothers in arms as being the enemy

let these Bolsheviks charge the barricades if they dare

they will be hoisted upon their own petards therein

the Empire of Liberty will crush the so called "Canadian" Woke Progressive Marxist Leninist left

[Legato]

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They're only putting a lack of faith on display.

Our national pride depends on a few key factors to make it viable and a tangible sense of community and faith in that sense is one of them. I think years and decades of dedicated right wing loathing and disrespect for anything other than their own brand has crippled that sense to a point of no return.

Change one word. Then you have the truth.

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

This. 

That is why you will never be aConservative.

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, Legato said:

 

That is why you will never be aConservative.

On the contrary, it shows you are aconservative, and I am a conservative.

Loathing and disrespect are not a Canadian tradition.  Peace, order and good governance are.

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

  Peace, order and good governance are.

Peace, Order & Good Governance will be restored

once the lunatic leftist Woke Progressive Laurentian Elite Bolsheviks

are dragged from their Ivory Towers and put into the stocks

Cuidich 'n Righ

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Peace, Order & Good Governance will be restored

once the lunatic leftist Woke Progressive Laurentian Elite Bolsheviks

are dragged from their Ivory Towers and put into the stocks

Cuidich 'n Righ

Oh boy... here we go...

Another one who thinks autocracy is what we need.  

Will you just wait until October 20th?  Is that too much to ask? 🤔

[Dougie93]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

Oh boy... here we go...

Another one who thinks autocracy is what we need. 

far from it, since I am the one invoking the Glorious Revolution of 1688

William Prince of Orange, founder of Westminster Parliamentary Supremacy

the most liberalizing constitutional monarch in the history of the world

the Woke Progressive Marxist Leninist lunatics are the Bolshevist enemies of the British Crown in North America

it is entirely consistent with Loyalist Upper Canadian fealty

to root the enemies of the Crown out, then hang them from the nearest yardarm

Nemo me impune lacessit

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

far from it, since I am the one invoking the Glorious Revolution of 1688

William Prince of Orange, founder of Westminster Parliamentary Supremacy

the most liberalizing constitutional monarch in the history of the world

the Woke Progressive Marxist Leninist lunatics are the Bolshevist enemies of the British Crown in North America

it is entirely consistent with Loyalist Upper Canadian fealty

to root the enemies of the Crown out, then hang them from the nearest yardarm

Nemo me impune lacessit

More threats of violence...

Begone, your ravings belong on a street corner in front of the Dollarama...

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

More threats of violence...

the British Crown is hardly a pacifist institution

Loyalists of course will go to war against the enemies of King & Country

Shock Troops of the Empire

Ducimus

 

[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Begone, your ravings

come and take these colours from my cold dead hands

[Dougie93]

50 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

  Is that too much to ask? 🤔

no quarter, no mercy, no succour

for the Woke Progressive Bolshevist traitors to the British Crown in North America

come all ye bold Canadians, stand & fight against the Marxist Leninist enemies infiltrated into our midst

 Victoria Regina Imperatrix : Pro Patria

 

[Dougie93]

16 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I am ready to give my life for it to defend it.

stolen valour

you never took the Queen's Schilling

you never served the Commander-in-Chief

[Dougie93]

18 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

What is truly sad is you were in the military. I guess we should really look at vexing soldiers better.

just shows how delusional you are

to think that the average Canadian is going to stand with you

the Liberal Party of Canada TruAnon cult member troll

against us, the decorated veterans of HM Royal Canadian Infantry Corps

since you Liberal scum are the most hated people in the history of Canada now

thanks, Justin Trudeau

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

They're only putting a lack of faith on display.

Our national pride depends on a few key factors to make it viable and a tangible sense of community and faith in that sense is one of them. I think years and decades of dedicated right wing loathing and disrespect for anything other than their own brand has crippled that sense to a point of no return.

I'm sure that's the lie you tell yourself to try and excuse the fact that the liberals have all but destroyed Canada.

This drop got serious when Trudeau got into power

Take a look yourself.  From ‘eh’ to ‘meh’? Pride and attachment to country in Canada endure significant declines -

mulroney is in power, high pride in canada

Right at the end of the chretien martin disaster and the sponsorship scandal? Down again. 

Trudeau takes over, has his first scandals, badmouths canada, drops substnatially.   After covid when trudeau used an illness to promote hatred for political gain  it's down to a small fraction of what it was.  only 34 percent say they are very proud of canada. 

it is the liberals that destroy people's faith in Canada. Would you care to put $1,000 on the table right now to say that it goes up after Poilievre's been in for a year or more? I bet it does  

Vote woke go broke. The liberals and the left have destroyed everything good about Canada and will continue to do so

[NAME REMOVED]

23 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'm sure that's the lie you tell yourself to try and excuse the fact that the liberals have all but destroyed Canada.

This drop got serious when Trudeau got into power

Take a look yourself.  From ‘eh’ to ‘meh’? Pride and attachment to country in Canada endure significant declines -

mulroney is in power, high pride in canada

Right at the end of the chretien martin disaster and the sponsorship scandal? Down again. 

Trudeau takes over, has his first scandals, badmouths canada, drops substnatially.   After covid when trudeau used an illness to promote hatred for political gain  it's down to a small fraction of what it was.  only 34 percent say they are very proud of canada. 

it is the liberals that destroy people's faith in Canada. Would you care to put $1,000 on the table right now to say that it goes up after Poilievre's been in for a year or more? I bet it does  

Vote woke go broke. The liberals and the left have destroyed everything good about Canada and will continue to do so

Yesterday, I challenged @CdnFox to say something positive about Canada, in it's current form. He could not do so. I made a point of saying that it seemed that he was incapable of accepting Canadian values- tolerance, empathy for our less fortunate, and pride in things like diversity and human rights. He just could not bring himself to say anything good about our nation. Instead, he rambled on and on about the "left."

OTOH, CdnFox cannot (or will not) say anything negative about Russia. I don not believe he has the best interests of our country in mind. For myself and others, who lived under the Chretien Liberals, I still think he did a great job. He lead us out of the recession of the early 90s, lowered that annual deficit, and left in 2003, with Canada in much better shape than a decade prior.

When Chretien stood up in the HoC, and announced that Canada would not participate in the US led invasion of Iraq, in spite of pressure from America, I had never been so proud of being Canadian. And it turns out we were right to stay out of that war. Obviously, I am not a big fan of Trudeau and the Liberal Party, but there is really no better alternative at this point. 

In conclusion. Canada is facing some big challenges. It is far from perfect. Our health care system is inefficient. The cost of living is ridiculous, and affordability of housing needs to be addressed. However, in spite of this, I am still proud to be Canadian, and always will be. 

People like @CdnFox want to exploit our problems, and divide us. Don't be like CdnFox. Come together and solve issues, and not advocate hatred and division.

Edited December 15, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[eyeball]

As David Frum asks, 'By August 2017, what was left of the philosophy formerly known as conservatism beyond ‘fúck you, leftists’?

This has been the underlying philosophy since...

William F Buckley Jr, Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove, Ezra Levant, Ann Coulter, Jordan Peterson, Alex Jones....

There is nothing that compares to this short list of toxic pundits on the left.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

When Chretien stood up in the HoC, and announced that Canada would not participate in the US led invasion of Iraq, in spite of pressure from America, I had never been so proud of being Canadian. And it turns out we were right to stay out of that war.

Yup. I'm always struck by how so many right wingers who shat on and cancelled the left... as terrorist sympathizers, Islamo-fascists and of course Marxist commies over this decision, have since come around to saying yeah, we should never have gone into Iraq. Of course they're still shitting on the same lefties who were obviously years ahead of the curve they were on. Not a whiff of sentiment that maybe the left was correct - the political landscape is littered with these broken clocks.

Now the same surrender monkeys who love accusing lefties of desiring subjugation want to cave to bullies like Trump and Putin.