Mayor says he refuses to be bullied or pay fine for not flying Pride flag

[User]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

If you think there's a war then your opponents think there's a war. Some small town guy wants to not fly a flag. 

If there's a war then they will go after him. That's what war is. No prisoners, you just go after them. 

Do you think this is a good use of our public dialogue? Do you think that we should all be talking about a flag in emo, Ontario? 

War is a waste of time and resources on both sides

I suggest you look up the definition of metaphor. You might also look up how wars are fought, as there certainly are prisoners in war. 

If you are going to support the time trying to force people to fly an LGBTQ flag, it is just as good a use of time and dialogue to oppose that. 

You seem to be just fine with one side wasting the time and resources to impose this garbage on people, just not those who oppose it. 

[CDN1]

On 12/5/2024 at 8:03 PM, herbie said:

Like George Carlin I;m sick of the Bible thumping malcreants.
History repeating itself 40 years later

 

I'm not religious. The cucked left is pathetic. Save that energy and open contempt for Islam you phony ass f'n cowards.

Edited December 8, 2024 by CDN1

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

If there's a war then they will go after him.

leftist lunatics taking the bait ; tactical victory,  strategic defeat

no quarter asked, none given

just don't come crying when the delusional left is getting hung from the yardarm with its own rope

[herbie]

Keyboard toughies will save us from soshulism. Serve Lord Pfizer, Lord Cegna or Lord Exxon like loyal vassals. Offer up their children to defend Lord Elon's right to get even richer.

Edited December 8, 2024 by herbie

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

Keyboard toughies will save us from soshulism. Serve Lord Pfizer, Lord Cegna or Lord Exxon like loyal vassals. Offer up their children to defend Lord Elon's right to get even richer.

Trump won.  Polievre is going to. 

You have a nice night   

[I am Groot]

On 12/3/2024 at 9:18 AM, ironstone said:

Ezra Levant wrote a good book about these Human Rights Commissions. They are scary.

There is no intention that the 'judge' in the case be unbiased. The complainant gets assistance and legal advice while the group being sued gets nothing. And the case can't be appealed to the courts except in a case where (and I believe this should be considered so) the decision is 'patently unreasonable'. Of course, the problem is appealing the $10k fine will likely cost you $50k or more in legal fees...

[I am Groot]

On 12/3/2024 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hardner said:

To be clear, I don't agree with the placement of HRCs as extrajudicial bodies in the government.  It's an aberration that nobody seems to want to address.

They should have been removed years ago. They might once have served a purpose. They no longer do except to allow activists and cranks to harass individuals and businesses without any personal cost. The only people who have to pay anything are those who need to hire lawyers to defend themselves. There are individuals who have lodged dozens of complaints against a variety of institutions and individuals in hopes of garnering money. Or just out of a sanctimonious desire to punish them. In this case, as they say, the process is the punishment.

The Ontario government funds the Ontario Human Rights Commission to the tune of five BILLION dollars a year. It's an absurd waste of money. On the other hand, wasting money is kind of Doug Ford's thing. That and beer. If he has any other interests I have not noticed them.

[I am Groot]

On 12/3/2024 at 1:02 PM, Michael Hardner said:

Maybe - but I think it would be better if everyone just ignored these cultural spats and focused on what's important.  

Doug Ford is right, right ?  I'll bet he does little to nothing, apart from maybe saying something.

Doug Ford has never been right-wing. I call his PC party the Pretend Conservatives. It's hard to find a single thing this government has done, fiscally or socially, that would be considered right-wing. They are actually outspending the Wynne Liberals. And they have fully embraced the whole woke panoply of diversity, equity and inclusion, anti-racism lectures and critical race theory in all government institutions, as well as in grade schools and universities. 

[I am Groot]

On 12/3/2024 at 1:21 PM, Nationalist said:

Now why would Doug get involved? All that would accomplish is pouring gas on a fire.

If he was a conservative what he'd do is abolish the Ontario Human Rights Commission and save five billion dollars a year. Such a decision would be applauded by the Right and many in the Middle. The only people who would be angry would be those on the Left who hate his guts.

But Ford only rises from his sofa over questions about beer and alcohol. And occasionally to say "Folks" without doing anything about what the 'folks' are upset about.

[Michael Hardner]

54 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

They should have been removed years ago. They might once have served a purpose. They no longer do except to allow activists and cranks to harass individuals and businesses without any personal cost. The only people who have to pay anything are those who need to hire lawyers to defend themselves. There are individuals who have lodged dozens of complaints against a variety of institutions and individuals in hopes of garnering money. Or just out of a sanctimonious desire to punish them. In this case, as they say, the process is the punishment.

The Ontario government funds the Ontario Human Rights Commission to the tune of five BILLION dollars a year. It's an absurd waste of money. On the other hand, wasting money is kind of Doug Ford's thing. That and beer. If he has any other interests I have not noticed them.

I think that they indeed could serve an important purpose to sift through the trivial and the substantial.

One would think that the Conservative Premier might mention them occasionally.

You seem to be far off on the budget numbers: https://www3.ohrc.on.ca/en/ontario-human-rights-commission-business-plan-2023-24-2025-26#3

Interesting that you are sour on Ford.  I am, also, EXCEPT that he (and Chow too) have eschewed idealogue speeches for pragmatism and deal-making.  Not entirely, and not for above-board reasons, but Chow hasn't picked fights with Ford where she could have, and Ford backed off on some big announcements.

Don't mistake this for me thinking they're good managers, but that at least they don't chew up the airwaves with the culture war demagoguery.  Whether or not they are honest, they do PURPORT to do practical things.  Your mileage may vary.

Thanks for the post.

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

If he was a conservative what he'd do is abolish the Ontario Human Rights Commission and save five billion dollars a year. Such a decision would be applauded by the Right and many in the Middle. The only people who would be angry would be those on the Left who hate his guts.

But Ford only rises from his sofa over questions about beer and alcohol. And occasionally to say "Folks" without doing anything about what the 'folks' are upset about.

Ya I semi-agree with @Michael Hardner (gee this is becoming a habit...).

Maybe you meant 5 million per year? Its actually about 5.5 million projected. Even if tripled that would be about 16.5 million per year. Perhaps add incidentals and/or costs to consumers and perhaps we come to about 30 million? Ish?

I think trashing the OHRC completely would be political suicide for Doug...or anyone. Now if you wanna talk about scaling it back some...I'd be down for that.

[Michael Hardner]

25 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

 

I think trashing the OHRC completely would be political suicide for Doug...or anyone. Now if you wanna talk about scaling it back some...I'd be down for that.

But he could integrate it somehow with justice, and assuage the distrustful by adding another million or so to their budget and maybe clarify their mandate.

That would at least give someone a path to appeal.

In Quebec, some comic made a joke about a disabled kid in his audience and was fined thousands...  He's likely a d*ck but still that seems out of place for the role of government.  I would rather they focus on the rental tribunal backlog///

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

But he could integrate it somehow with justice, and assuage the distrustful by adding another million or so to their budget and maybe clarify their mandate.

That would at least give someone a path to appeal.

In Quebec, some comic made a joke about a disabled kid in his audience and was fined thousands...  He's likely a d*ck but still that seems out of place for the role of government.  I would rather they focus on the rental tribunal backlog///

Although tasteless...its was a joke. Why is it that among other things...Libbies insist on stomping on comedy?

I mean...the mainstream late night shows are getting trounced by Gutfeld. People wanna laugh...not virtue signal.

[I am Groot]

On 12/9/2024 at 11:28 AM, Michael Hardner said:

I think that they indeed could serve an important purpose to sift through the trivial and the substantial.

For minor transgressions with minor punishments. But making their decisions largely court proof allowed them to push the envelope.

On 12/9/2024 at 11:28 AM, Michael Hardner said:

One would think that the Conservative Premier might mention them occasionally.

One would if we had one.

 

On 12/9/2024 at 11:28 AM, Michael Hardner said:

You seem to be far off on the budget numbers: https://www3.ohrc.on.ca/en/ontario-human-rights-commission-business-plan-2023-24-2025-26#3

Yes, this makes more sense. I think I found roughly the same numbers but took it as 5.1k million

On 12/9/2024 at 11:28 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Interesting that you are sour on Ford.  I am, also, EXCEPT that he (and Chow too) have eschewed idealogue speeches for pragmatism and deal-making.  Not entirely, and not for above-board reasons, but Chow hasn't picked fights with Ford where she could have, and Ford backed off on some big announcements.

I don't care about ideology and bad words. I care about actions. His so-called conservative government seems to be neither fiscally nor socially conservative. And neither he nor Chow will do a thing about these moronic Hamas supporters crowding our streets and harassing people.

On 12/9/2024 at 11:28 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Don't mistake this for me thinking they're good managers, but that at least they don't chew up the airwaves with the culture war demagoguery

Chow has always been a culture warrior. She just doesn't need to give speeches about it now that she's in power. She can carry it out quietly. Ford likes beer, money and football That's the entirety of his interest in life. He's not going to fight a culture war when he doesn't have any culture beyond burping contests at the cottage.

[Michael Hardner]

On 12/9/2024 at 4:56 PM, Nationalist said:

Although tasteless...its was a joke. Why is it that among other things...Libbies insist on stomping on comedy?

 

I don't think that you can call the Quebec HRC liberal OR Liberal.