2% Defense GDP by 2030

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 11/30/2024 at 4:59 AM, DUI_Offender said:

There was a time when Canada was respected by the World, for our strong military, and our fighting spirit. While our spirit has never diminished, beginning with the elder Trudeau in 1968, our military has been neglect for well over 50 years. At one point when we entered WW2, the Germans were terrified of the Canadian and Australian regiments, as they nicknamed up the "British SS."

How did we fall so far?

We need to increase our defence spending, and get to the 2% GDP. Canadians are some of the strongest people I know. Why are we neglecting our military? 

The PMs after PT were under no obligation to follow his lead, so why did they? I would argue that Canadians did not want to spend on the military. No matter how necessary it is, ramping it up is still going to be a tough sell that will probably cost seats. 

However, as the only NATO country to border the US, we can offer special contributions beyond tanks and guns, eg more infrastructure in the Arctic, making it easier to defend, and more effective wildfire control which will help the inhabitants of American cities breathe more easily. 
 

 

[Dougie93]

22 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

However, as the only NATO country to border the US, we can offer special contributions beyond tanks and guns, eg more infrastructure in the Arctic, making it easier to defend, and more effective wildfire control which will help the inhabitants of American cities breathe more easily.

as if the Post National State has the state capacity to do any of that now ?

get real

nothing so called "Canada" claims to be doing, actually happens anymore

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 11/30/2024 at 4:59 AM, DUI_Offender said:

We need to increase our defence spending, and get to the 2% GDP. Canadians are some of the strongest people I know. Why are we neglecting our military? 

So is it defence or defense? I think the former is preferred in Canada. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

So is it defence or defense? I think the former is preferred in Canada. 

I'm still trying to work out if it's carbine or carbine, don't screw with my head like that.   

(those who know will know.)

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[eyeball]

Borrow baby borrow. 

Maybe we'll finally get to test the notion that slashing taxes increases the governments revenues.

Spend baby spend.

[CdnFox]

42 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Borrow baby borrow. 

Maybe we'll finally get to test the notion that slashing taxes increases the governments revenues.

Spend baby spend.

Wow, you should run for liberal leader

The liberals have been falsely inflating the GDP numbers through excessive immigration. Once that's curtailed and the economy grows which it will with that loser gone We will be able to afford it without massive deficits.

I know, it really hurts your feelings to realize that your brand of woke politics has failed utterly and simply stopping it and doing something different will be enough to radically improve the situation. On top of that Poilievre is actually pretty competent so the Improvement should be relatively significant

That's what happens. You vote woke you go broke, you vote for the right and relief is in sight   

[eyeball]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The liberals have been falsely inflating the GDP numbers through excessive immigration.

And Poilievre will accurately inflate them by going on a borrowing and spending binge after slashing taxes?

25 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That's what happens. You vote woke you go broke, you vote for the right and relief is in sight 

I can't wait.

[CdnFox]

30 minutes ago, eyeball said:

And Poilievre will accurately inflate them by going on a borrowing and spending binge after slashing taxes?

Yeah... not sure you realize what the word 'inflate' means   

People you come slightly stagnant for a while until business investment can be encouraged to return and set up shop in Canada and as the economy adjusts to not having massive influxes of immigrants.

It won't fix itself overnight but it will fix itself in relatively short order. There is a price you have to pay for listening to the woke left and following their policies, it does real damage and that doesn't get undone overnight. Something people will have to remember moving forward.

[herbie]

I'd say we need to boost it to 10% of the budget now another country is actually threatening us.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

I'd say we need to boost it to 10% of the budget now another country is actually threatening us.

Weren't you the one just a short while ago insisting that even 2% was ridiculous because there are no threats out there that we need to worry about?

You left these have the weirdest habit. When you find out you've been stupid about something for ages you believe the best way to correct it is to be stupid in exactly the opposite direction. The actual solution is to be smart

[herbie]

Words go over your head. Your solutions drip off your chin.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Words go over your head. Your solutions drip off your chin.

So that would be a yes then  LOLOL

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On 1/8/2025 at 4:40 PM, herbie said:

I'd say we need to boost it to 10% of the budget now another country is actually threatening us.

It certainly would not take us long to become a veritable force, if we aimed for 2.5% GDP spending. Look at Poland. They have really put an effort into their military, and they are now arguably the strongest army in mainland Europe.

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[herbie]

Like I pointed out, spend all you want on equipment and it doesn't help if you can't attract people to use it.
McDonalds pays $42K a year to start, what does a recruit earn? And being able to show up for work on time two days in a row doesn't meet the only qualifications for the Forces.

MOF a solid 2 years at McD's was a big plus on your resume for companies I worked for. It meant you'd learned how to eat shit at work, Step One in real life.

  

Edited January 12 by herbie

[Aristides]

On 1/11/2025 at 10:15 PM, DUI_Offender said:

It certainly would not take us long to become a veritable force, if we aimed for 2.5% GDP spending. Look at Poland. They have really put an effort into their military, and they are now arguably the strongest army in mainland Europe.

True but in 2023 Canada was 8th in NATO defence spending, less than a billion lower than Poland and almost 10 billion more than Spain which was 9th.

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3 hours ago, Aristides said:

True but in 2023 Canada was 8th in NATO defence spending, less than a billion lower than Poland and almost 10 billion more than Spain which was 9th.

Poland is spending an insane amount and it's paying off in dividends. In the condition Russia is in, Poland would destroy Russia if they were to attack right now. Poland has the strongest army in mainland Europe, and they could probably give the UK a run for their money.

Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, etc. All historical victims of Russian aggression, are ramping up their militaries, to the point it is actually nearly double the 2% target. 

Edited January 14 by DUI_Offender

[August1991]

On 11/29/2024 at 11:59 PM, DUI_Offender said:

There was a time when Canada was respected by the World, for our strong military, and our fighting spirit. While our spirit has never diminished, beginning with the elder Trudeau in 1968, our military has been neglect for well over 50 years. At one point when we entered WW2, the Germans were terrified of the Canadian and Australian regiments, as they nicknamed up the "British SS."

How did we fall so far?

We need to increase our defence spending, and get to the 2% GDP. Canadians are some of the strongest people I know. Why are we neglecting our military? 

Disagree.

Trump wants us to spend 5%.

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NATO membership means that we buy American military equipment. Equipment designed by American firms.

Sweden and Finland recently joined NATO. Guess why.

 

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52 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

Trump wants us to spend 5%.

 

Nobody in NATO is going to spend 5% of their GDP on defence spending. Poland spends the most at 4%, and even the United States only spends 3.8% GDP.  If Trump told NATO members to spend 90% of the GDP on defence, would you proceed to do so?

Edited January 25 by DUI_Offender

[August1991]

Just now, DUI_Offender said:

Nobody in NATO is going to spend 5% of their GDP on defence spending. Poland spends the most at 4%, and even the United States spends 3.8% GDP.  If Trump told NATO members to spend 90% of the GDP on defence, would you proceed to do so?

No. So, agreed.

Trump is a blowhard. A buffoon.

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Who will call him? Putin? Xe? You Democrats can't.

 

 

 

 

[Aristides]

No one is forcing the US to spend 3.8% on defence. If you want to be top dog, it will cost money.

[Dougie93]

On 11/29/2024 at 11:59 PM, DUI_Offender said:

There was a time when Canada was respected by the World, for our strong military, and our fighting spirit. While our spirit has never diminished, beginning with the elder Trudeau in 1968, our military has been neglect for well over 50 years. At one point when we entered WW2, the Germans were terrified of the Canadian and Australian regiments, as they nicknamed up the "British SS."

How did we fall so far?

We need to increase our defence spending, and get to the 2% GDP. Canadians are some of the strongest people I know. Why are we neglecting our military? 

the problem is not money, the problem is throughput capacity

DND simply doesn't have the personnel anymore to buy kit for the military at an accelerated pace

they can't just ignore the rules, they have to follow the process of trials, testing & creating support infrastructure

while the CAF simply doesn't have the personnel anymore to train for & operate new equipment

this is why DND actually returns money to the treasury every year ;

they can't even spend the budget that they are allotted already

to wit, all war is logistics in the end

[August1991]

If we Canadians spend  5% of our GDP on military stuff, as a member of NATO, we are buying US stuff..

I reckon that's how Biden got Sweden and Finland to join NATO.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[August1991]

René Lévesque had many comments about Canada, Québec and the US.

Pierre Trudeau too.

What would these guys think of Trump.