Conservatives say "Leftists did these these bad things", Leftists say "Conservative are Nazis so they will do these bad things"

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

I'll becoming in your wife tonight.

You're a vile piece of shit. 

[herbie]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Mostly because it's a lie.

Almost nobody represented the right wing in germany.

This is why everyone recognized you as an absolute f*cking m0ron. In spite of all fact and historical record, you'll insist the opposite is the truth simply to keep posting.
Just as many others who pretend they're mainstream conservatives do.

[Black Dog]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

No one's dumb compared to you, Black Racist Dummy.

I've taken shits that are more insightful than you.

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The Nazis controlled the police, media, judiciary, suppressed free speech, burned books (in this day and age that was replaced by 'controlled social media'), created a fake reason to get their citizens to carry a gesundheitspass so that they could ostracize "others", seized the bank account of dissidents, promoted violent riots, they were intense hate mongers who falsely painted a specific group as uniquely having negative traits that no other group ever had, and their motto was "tell a lie, make it big, repeat it a thousand times, and it becomes the truth". 

How do the Libs and Dems differ? Trudeau did every single f'ing thing on that list. I don't know if the Dems created an actual gesundheitspass like our Libs did, or if they froze the bank accounts of dissidents, but in every other way, the Dems were even worse than our liberals.

You can pretend that conservative, socialist, liberal and leftist mean whatever you want to suit your own purposes, but you can't pretend that the M.O. of the Nazis, described above, doesn't match that of the Dems and Libs to a tee. 

And just FYI, just because a word or symbol had a positive meaning/connotation in the past, doesn't mean that it will stay that way forever. The Swastika had a pretty decent rep until the Nazi brand tarnished it. The word liberal is trending in the same direction. What it used to mean and what it is starting to mean now are entirely different things. 

lol this is the classic combo of gish gallop/bullshit firehose and whataboutism we all know and expect from you.

Look dummy, the simple fact you and all the other butter soft b!tches who cried about COVID restrictions were free to do so and didn't end up in an unmarked grave with a bullet in your skull should give you a clue into the very real differences between the democratically elected western governments and the Nazis.

 

[WestCanMan]

42 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

I've taken shits that are more insightful than you.

From the guy who runs away when he's asked simple questions lol.

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lol this is the classic combo of gish gallop/bullshit firehose and whataboutism we all know and expect from you.

When you tell lies, which is always, I point them out. I'm pretty sure that if you ever caught me lying you'd make a meal of it.

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Look dummy, the simple fact you and all the other butter soft b!tches who cried about COVID restrictions were free to do so and

Look dummy, the simple lies which fooled you didn't work on people who made it past grade 3, so you were spared from knowing what was really going on... "Ignorance is bliss".

For your information, the gov't shouldn't have been forcing young, healthy people to take the jabs, period. They didn't need it, and it didn't slow the spread of covid. We all knew that it wasn't working anywhere near that well long before young people ever had the chance to get it. 

I fully understand that you didn't catch on while it was happening, but with the benefit of hindsight you should finally understand these things now. Or are you waiting for CNN to say it 🤣

I know that you don't care about other people, and this didn't affect you personally because the gov't couldn't force the people on welfare to get it, but if you want to live in a free society then this kind of thing should really matter to you, stupid.

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didn't end up in an unmarked grave with a bullet in your skull should give you a clue into the very real differences between the democratically elected western governments and the Nazis.

It's bizarre that you guys say things like "Twumpy sez things I dont like so he is a natzee!!!" but then you say: "Sure the Dems control the MSM, social media, get the FBI to commit crimes for them, use the judiciary like puppets, etc, but you have to shoot people in the head to be considered a Nazi."

Your standard of "What constitutes fascism" goes from:

• "If someone makes a comment that makes me sad, they're a fascist" when you're talking about a conservative
• to
• "Using all of the gov't institutions as tools against the opposition is fine as long as no one gets shot in the head" when you're talking about a leftist

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Notice how this goofball has to pretend that "right-wing" means "open market and pro democracy" and not "economically and socially conservative."

notice how this loser has to redefine what I said and just something that I didn't say at all in order to try and have something to argue with? And did you also notice how he likes to talk to himself as if he was talking to a third party when he isn't? What's up with that??

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The fact is there was a strong right wing in post war Germany consisting of the military, nobility and economic/industrial elite.

Nope. 

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This is the group that rejected the social and economic liberalism of the Weimar era state and quite literally enabled Hitler and the Nazis to take power which they would not have done if they felt that Hitler was some kind of bleeding heart socialist.

Nope. in fact most of them were desperate for him to reform gov't to bring socialist policies like medical care back and to take control of industry to stop the runaway inflation.

 

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Democratic socialism is a reformist movement that advocates for a democratically run and decentralized economy and rejects authoritarianism.

Sorry , no. 

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Nazism was a revolutionary movement that explicitly rejected democracy and embraced private ownership of the means of production. It's apples and hand grenades.

Private ownership of production but heavily controlled by the state through regulation and taxation and forced to produce as required to fulfill the perceived needs of society. Literally textbook definition of socialism. 

There's a lot of socialist models. 

Types of socialism - Wikipedia

 

And the rest of your rent is just you admitting you're wrong by relying on insults with nothing intelligent to add.

Here  from oxford:

Dictionary

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so·cial·ism

/ˈsōSHəˌliz(ə)m/

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noun

noun: socialism

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

   "we want a real democratic and pluralist left party—one which unites all those who believe in socialism"

    
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.

     "the debate over whether to move away from free markets and toward socialism"

      

      
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

     "socialism is the first stage of the worldwide transition to communism"

      

     owned or regulated. So in other words controlled. Which it absolutely was in nazi gemany. 

      

      

     The Nazis vastly increased social programs.

      

     Sorry kid. Yet another one of the examples of you not knowing what you're talking about and your Facebook University degree has failed you once again.

     The Nazis increase social spending. The Nazis took control of and directed the market economy Specifically for the benefit of society and the common good, which they perceived to be the Expansion of the nation through military conquest.

      

     Very early hitler didn't like social programs but by the time he got into power he was all over them. They created the 'national socilaist people's welfare', They disbanded private groups and had the gov't and party groups take over to provide even more social programs under his watch.  

      

     Hope even says that europe's modern and extensive welfare state is a direct result of the incredible increases in state welfare under Nazi Germany 

     WWII’s Impact: The Birth of Europe’s Extensive Welfare System | Cato at Liberty BlogWarren Wall speaking to help you

      

     They would even pay for families happy fun days if you signed up for it.  

      

     By any reasonable measure the Nazis were very socialistic.  They massively expanded the social saftety net created a massively strong social group/ministry, controlled the economy for the benefit of their society and even improved worker's rights and  medical services. 

      

     Honestly if it wasn't for the whole xenophobic racist mass murderer tyrannical conqueror  thing their accomplishments would have been considered quite impressive  

      

      

     You totally screwed that one up poochie. THat's what you get for trying to educate yourself in 10 minutes with google.

[Black Dog]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

notice how this loser has to redefine what I said and just something that I didn't say at all in order to try and have something to argue with? And did you also notice how he likes to talk to himself as if he was talking to a third party when he isn't? What's up with that??

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Not an argument.

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Nope. 

Not an argument.

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Nope. in fact most of them were desperate for him to reform gov't to bring socialist policies like medical care back and to take control of industry to stop the runaway inflation.

"most of them"? Who? Hindenburg? von Papen? Krupp?

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Sorry , no. 

Not an argument.

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Private ownership of production but heavily controlled by the state through regulation and taxation and forced to produce as required to fulfill the perceived needs of society. Literally textbook definition of socialism. 

The textbook definition of socialism is workers own the means of production. I mean:

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There's a lot of socialist models. 

Types of socialism - Wikipedia

 

Ahem:

Types of socialism include a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production.

You fu*ckin loser!

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And the rest of your rent is just you admitting you're wrong by relying on insults with nothing intelligent to add.

"Nope."

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Here  from oxford:

noun: socialism

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    
    

   owned or regulated. So in other words controlled. Which it absolutely was in nazi gemany. 

 

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     OWNED AND REGULATED BY WHO, DUMBSHIT?

      

     In Nazi Germany the means of production were not owned by the state, loser.

      

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     The Nazis vastly increased social programs.
     Sorry kid. Yet another one of the examples of you not knowing what you're talking about and your Facebook University degree has failed you once again.

     The Nazis increase social spending. The Nazis took control of and directed the market economy Specifically for the benefit of society and the common good, which they perceived to be the Expansion of the nation through military conquest.

      

     Very early hitler didn't like social programs but by the time he got into power he was all over them. They created the 'national socilaist people's welfare', They disbanded private groups and had the gov't and party groups take over to provide even more social programs under his watch.  

     Aw the severed head in a chair is reading wikipedia! Let's see what the article says:

     "The NSV restricted its assistance from the very beginning to individuals of "Aryan descent" who met a range of conditions to be deemed worthy of support, officially stating that its aim was to promote "the living, healthy forces of the German people." ...

     Under the NSV, German social welfare and voluntary charity were thoroughly restructured to follow the racial and ideological goals of the Nazi state. The Nazi government declared that in the future, welfare and charitable aid would be granted only to individuals who were "racially superior" and could prove their value to the Volksgemeinschaft."

     Dang that doesn't sound very egalitarian.

     Also doesn't say they increased spending or not.

      

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     Hope even says that europe's modern and extensive welfare state is a direct result of the incredible increases in state welfare under Nazi Germany 

      

     WWII’s Impact: The Birth of Europe’s Extensive Welfare System | Cato at Liberty BlogWarren Wall speaking to help you

      

     They would even pay for families happy fun days if you signed up for it.  

      

     lol Cato. lol speech to text.

      

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     By any reasonable measure the Nazis were very socialistic.  They massively expanded the social saftety net created a massively strong social group/ministry, controlled the economy for the benefit of their society and even improved worker's rights and  medical services. 

     You have an incredibly teeny mind. The Nazis continued some of the Weimar social programs but restricted them to Aryans. They were nationalistic, militaristic, socially conservative, supporters of private property and private enterprise.

     Your retarded attempts to shoehorn the Nazis into a contemporary left-right paradigm only betray the fact you don't know shit from shinola here.

      

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     Honestly if it wasn't for the whole xenophobic racist mass murderer tyrannical conqueror  thing their accomplishments would have been considered quite impressive  

      

     I don't see what racism has to do with it: according to you that wasn't something they concerned themselves with lmao

      

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     You totally screwed that one up poochie. THat's what you get for trying to educate yourself in 10 minutes with google.

     You literally googled "Oxford dictionary socialism" loser. Park the wheelchair and unplug the speech-to-text you pathetic shell.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Black Dog said:

Not an argument.

That's right it's just a fact." The sun rises in the east" Is not an argument either.

Let's skip pretty quickly through the rest of your sad facebook university crap. 

You obviously couldn't make an argument for the vast majority of it. You basically just repeated what i said and followed with a  "DERP"

The nazi party members and the germans were very eager for social reforms.  As i pointed out the nazis responded with what would become the basis of the social welfare models in most of europe. 

You failed THAT one hard  LOL

And you can't even read english.  I quoted:  "should be owned or regulated "  And you change it to should be owned AND regulated 

No dipshit.  Or.  Owned OOOOORRRRRR regulated by the public through their gov't in most models (some models like a worker's collective) for the benefit of the public 

 

The fact you don't understand that very basic fact shows you're just way too uneducated for this conversation. 

8 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

The NSV restricted its assistance from the very beginning to individuals of "Aryan descent"

Yep.  And that doesn't change a single thing about what i said. 

Nice attempt at distraction tho   

 

The rest is you having a foaming hissy fit and being  butthurt because i was right and you can't really argue against it. 

The nazis' were massively big on social programs. They radically expanded the gov't role in them. 

And yes, the dictionary had definitions in it.  Well spotted  

 

LOLOL !!!   Man it's always fun to watch you squirm and sputter and freak out every time you realize you were wrong  

Sorry kiddo, the nazis'  were socialists by the modern definitions of the word and their practices show it.   And  your facebook U education can't help with that    

[Black Dog]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

From the guy who runs away when he's asked simple questions lol.

When you tell lies, which is always, I point them out. I'm pretty sure that if you ever caught me lying you'd make a meal of it.

Look dummy, the simple lies which fooled you didn't work on people who made it past grade 3, so you were spared from knowing what was really going on... "Ignorance is bliss".

For your information, the gov't shouldn't have been forcing young, healthy people to take the jabs, period. They didn't need it, and it didn't slow the spread of covid. We all knew that it wasn't working anywhere near that well long before young people ever had the chance to get it. 

I fully understand that you didn't catch on while it was happening, but with the benefit of hindsight you should finally understand these things now. Or are you waiting for CNN to say it 🤣

I know that you don't care about other people, and this didn't affect you personally because the gov't couldn't force the people on welfare to get it, but if you want to live in a free society then this kind of thing should really matter to you, stupid.

It's bizarre that you guys say things like "Twumpy sez things I dont like so he is a natzee!!!" but then you say: "Sure the Dems control the MSM, social media, get the FBI to commit crimes for them, use the judiciary like puppets, etc, but you have to shoot people in the head to be considered a Nazi."

Your standard of "What constitutes fascism" goes from:

• "If someone makes a comment that makes me sad, they're a fascist" when you're talking about a conservative
• to
• "Using all of the gov't institutions as tools against the opposition is fine as long as no one gets shot in the head" when you're talking about a leftist

No one is more bummed than me that you're out to lunch here because it would be actually pretty dope if you were put in an oven of some sort.

Edited November 30, 2024 by Black Dog

[Black Dog]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That's right it's just a fact." The sun rises in the east" Is not an argument either.

Let's skip pretty quickly through the rest of your sad facebook university crap. 

You obviously couldn't make an argument for the vast majority of it. You basically just repeated what i said and followed with a  "DERP"

The nazi party members and the germans were very eager for social reforms.  As i pointed out the nazis responded with what would become the basis of the social welfare models in most of europe. 

You failed THAT one hard  LOL

And you can't even read english.  I quoted:  "should be owned or regulated "  And you change it to should be owned AND regulated 

No dipshit.  Or.  Owned OOOOORRRRRR regulated by the public through their gov't in most models (some models like a worker's collective) for the benefit of the public 

 

The fact you don't understand that very basic fact shows you're just way too uneducated for this conversation. 

Yep.  And that doesn't change a single thing about what i said. 

Nice attempt at distraction tho   

 

The rest is you having a foaming hissy fit and being  butthurt because i was right and you can't really argue against it. 

The nazis' were massively big on social programs. They radically expanded the gov't role in them. 

And yes, the dictionary had definitions in it.  Well spotted  

 

LOLOL !!!   Man it's always fun to watch you squirm and sputter and freak out every time you realize you were wrong  

Sorry kiddo, the nazis'  were socialists by the modern definitions of the word and their practices show it.   And  your facebook U education can't help with that    

Gonna be real with you here: none of that shit is true, you've never read a word on this subject outside of wikipedia. You're a pathetic old man literally spinning his wheels and barking at a computer. Like imagine if Stephen Hawking was actually retarded: that's you.

Wait do you tell the speech to text to add the emojis? Because that would be extra pathetic.

I'll take your dumb shit apart more thoroughly in future when i have more time, but you should really consider suicide before that for your own good.

Edited November 30, 2024 by Black Dog

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

No one is more bummed than me that you're out to lunch here because it would be actually pretty dope if you were put in an oven of some sort.

LOLOL  it's always the same  YOu lose an argument and you either want the other guy to die or you get weird sex fantasies about him  

Poor @WestCanMan ... you're always sending him such mixed messages when he beats you up  

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Gonna be real with you here:

You've never been real in your whole life. Your entire life is based on a lie. Like I've said before, that's why nobody here respects you. You're a sad little broken creature, you can't even be honest with yourself never mind anyone else

Everything I said is true and verifiable. If you done more than 3 minutes of homework on Facebook you'd know it was accurate.

Fact is I suspect you already do. You're just such a broken little shell of a man that even when you know something is true and you can't argue against it you thrash and flail about like a fish that just landed in the boat who's desperately hoping he can somehow get back in the water. 

It's always super easy to tell when you know you've lost and you're just so buthurt about it that you can't even think straight.

Sorry kiddo. Maybe next time we'll happen to come across a topic that you know something about you can make an actual argument. Although if we're being honest I don't see a lot of discussions about Lego or "Who would win, Cyclops or Wolverine" Coming up in the immediate future. So you might be a little bit in over your head   

[Nationalist]

On 11/28/2024 at 1:42 PM, Radiorum said:

Talk about revisionist history.

And don't put words in my mouth.

 

Oh Gawd! I'm bursting at the seams!

Resist the temptation Nationalist...just resist.

Lol...

[Nationalist]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

This is why everyone recognized you as an absolute f*cking m0ron. In spite of all fact and historical record, you'll insist the opposite is the truth simply to keep posting.
Just as many others who pretend they're mainstream conservatives do.

Check that.

Libbies don't like @CdnFox because he has truth on his side and uses it to corner you saps constantly.

That and the fact that I believe he was voted poster of the year?

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, Black Dog said:

No one is more bummed than me that you're out to lunch here because it would be actually pretty dope if you were put in an oven of some sort.

Don't act like leftists are all that far from just loving an all-out fascist gov't. You're 85% of the way there, so why stop now? 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Oh Gawd! I'm bursting at the seams!

Resist the temptation Nationalist...just resist.

Lol...

Just curious, was "your mouth isn't where your words come from " the thought you were thinking?   

[CdnFox]

20 hours ago, herbie said:

This is why everyone recognized you as an absolute f*cking m0ron. In spite of all fact and historical record, you'll insist the opposite is the truth simply to keep posting.
Just as many others who pretend they're mainstream conservatives do.

Well I have gone over the historical records now with black dog and it's quite clear that what I said was true

And that's the interesting thing. Nothing I'm saying is terribly controversial, it's well documented.

Now you could argue about the definition of socialism, and because there's some room there for different opinions you might possibly be able to make an intelligent argument to say that where they were socialistic or left-wing but they weren't actually socialists because this and that, I think that would be a hard argument to make but you could make it.

But everything I have said is true and the documentation is extensive. And you and black dog and most people on the left prefer to stick your heads straight up your echo chamber rather than cope with the facts and then address them and examine them in light of your personal opinions and not your confirmation bias

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Don't act like leftists are all that far from just loving an all-out fascist gov't. You're 85% of the way there, so why stop now? 

Well here is one of the more fundamental truths about the left versus the right as we know it today.

The predominant feature of the left is socialistic viewpoints. Often drifting into actual socialism but I'm using the term socialistic to include left of center moderates who may not be part of the woke Revolution. But at the end of the day it's all about elevating society's needs and reducing the individuals rights.

For the lefts policies to work they absolutely have to have government control over society, and the more socialistic they want to be the more they have to exercise that control. If you want everybody following the same rules and living their lives the same way and focused on doing the same things for the betterment of society, then you must control what they do and remove the individual self-determination. The more left you go the more you need to do that.

Whereas the right can exist with virtually no government interference in people's rights or decisions, the government is there to protect or enforce individual rights and because everybody's individual rights are enforced society finds its own path and tends to flourish.

So of course Hitler was more socialistic. He was absolutely prepared to set aside individual rights at the drop of a hat if he felt it benefited the society as a whole as far as his vision as of what the society should be like and what is goals should be.

He controlled people, he controlled business, he controlled the agenda.

None of this is controversial or difficult to prove and this is the inevitable result of strong left-wing governments

[WestCanMan]

20 hours ago, herbie said:

This is why everyone recognized you as an absolute f*cking m0ron. In spite of all fact and historical record, you'll insist the opposite is the truth simply to keep posting.
Just as many others who pretend they're mainstream conservatives do.

What you're doing right there is called 'an accusation in a mirror', if you were wondering.

It's when you accuse someone else of doing what you're actually the one who's doing it.

You guys run around saying things like "mostly peaceful protests", "there's no inflation", "walls are racist", "Joe Biden is mentally fit", and "Russian collusion" for years, then you pretend that you only tell the truth and the other side lacks credibility. 

You're a liar, herbie. It's all you do. 

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

If you want everybody following the same rules and living their lives the same way and focused on doing the same things for the betterment of society, then you must control what they do and remove the individual self-determination. The more left you go the more you need to do that.

Whereas the right can exist with virtually no government interference in people's rights or decisions

Bingo.

[herbie]

And Trahcanman makes it into a dead heat....

both implying people needn't use the same dictionary to converse.

Yup... Stalin was a conservative too....

[Black Dog]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Don't act like leftists are all that far from just loving an all-out fascist gov't. You're 85% of the way there, so why stop now? 

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that our advocacy of tolerance extends to stupid and evil people like you.

[WestCanMan]

49 minutes ago, herbie said:

And Trahcanman makes it into a dead heat....

both implying people needn't use the same dictionary to converse.

Yup... Stalin was a conservative too....

Can't respond directly to the facts again, hey herbie?

Maybe pick a side that you don't have to lie for one day. See how it feels to be on the side that can bring up the relevant facts instead if just getting snotty. 

4 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that our advocacy of tolerance extends to stupid and evil people like you.

I'm not asking you to tolerate us, Black Dummy. By all means, get angry and so something if you'd like. Nothing concerns me less. 

[Fluffypants]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

And Trahcanman makes it into a dead heat....

both implying people needn't use the same dictionary to converse.

Yup... Stalin was a conservative too....

A right wing Communist? Please tell me how that works?

Liberals love doing this shit, anything that is bad is Right Wing even when it isn't right wing.

Here is truth no political movement falls neatly in a little box with the label Right Wing/Left Wing so it is easy to take the ones you don't like and shove into the opposing views box. Nazism took a bit from the right wing and a bit from the left wing and made a hate filled baby.

 

[Nationalist]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Just curious, was "your mouth isn't where your words come from " the thought you were thinking?   

Ya something like that.

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

A right wing Communist? Please tell me how that works

 

Based on herbie's understanding of politics,  i would guess he'd say a person who believes in your right to be personally oppressed by a central authority and is willing to fight to make sure you keep that right, and he expects you to pay him for it. 

(I dunno,  kinda spitballing here, best i could come up with?)   

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, Black Dog said:

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that our advocacy of tolerance extends to stupid and evil people like you.

Again...and just for you...you special little pup.

1. Have conservatives actively worked to stifle free speech? No.

2. Have conservatives opened the border and lied about it? No.

3. Have conservatives refused to prosecute criminals and let them go into the population only to rape and kill little girls? No.

4. Have conservatives wantonly created a sh1t economy? No.

5. Have conservatives used the law AND the IRS to attack political opponents? No.

6. Have conservatives attacked Christians? No.

BUT...the Libbies have...on all counts. Lookes like level headed people would have to admit that if anyone is "evil"...it would be the Libbies.

Now...stop p1ssing in the house Pup.

Edited December 1, 2024 by Nationalist