CdnFox Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 4 hours ago, Aristides said: Big increase in guns and drugs flowing north across the border. Amount of drugs seized has doubled in the last two years. yeah it's increasing. And the number of drug megalabs that have been discovered is increasing. And money laundering was getting out of control, and criminals are kind of like regular businessmen in that they like to put their businesses where their homes and money is. So BC has seen a major uptick in manufacture and smuggling. I mean it's not like Justin has been really hard on other crime either. Because of his soft on crime policies violent crime is through the roof like a rocket. Hate crimes have gone through the roof. Pretty much all crime is way up. So it should not come as a surprise that all of a sudden the bad guys are starting to look at Canada as a good place to set up shop and conduct operations from. Like never mind trump, trump or no trump all of this crap is stuff we should have been doing anyway. And they're still getting it wrong. I heard the other day that the fentanyl czars big job is going to be watching the border. That is stupid, we have border people for that. If the liberals had their head on right the czar's job would be to hunt down all fentanyl distributors and labs and any infrastructure in Canada and make this a horrible place for them to be or to ship drugs to. But that's not what they're going to do. We will have to see. But we should be cracking down on this nonsense for our own reasons Quote
Aristides Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 90% of the aluminum used by US auto manufacturers comes from Canada. How much is your aluminum body F-150 going to cost you now. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 Illegal drugs are part of a global market and they will flow to where profits are highest. Australia should be angrier with us than Trump is: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/australia-drug-trafficking-canada-1.7349586 Gangs in Ireland are sending crystal meth to Australia. https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/kerry-businessman-connected-to-mexican-cartel-drug-smuggling-scheme-court-hears-1728348.html 2 Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 Take a look at what the cartels do to their own people. They will not be deterred by stiffer sentences. Drugs will be supplied as long as people are willing to pay for them, and the more we criminalize an activity the more the hardcore paramilitary gangs will control the market. 3 Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 Trump is utterly incorrigible. Just now he brought up his 51st state idea and spoke of ‘Governor’ Trudeau again. In a proper democracy he’d be getting robust feedback from the parliamentary party about how to behave. Not in America any more. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 I want to see a lot more of this: https://electrek.co/2025/02/13/tesla-takeover-protests-pla-at-stores-this-weekend-tesla-takeover/ Quote
BeaverFever Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 On 2/13/2025 at 1:38 PM, CdnFox said: Because of his soft on crime policies violent crime is through the roof like a rocket. What specific “soft on crime” policies are you referring to and what proof do you have that they are the cause? In the USA they have harsh punishment and yet still have high crime. 1 2 Quote
BeaverFever Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 Trump Wants Canada’s Keystone XL Oil Pipeline Built ‘Now’ The conduit was meant to carry oil sands crude to Nebraska Pipeline developer says it has ‘moved on’ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-02-25/trump-wants-canada-to-us-keystone-xl-oil-pipeline-built-now?embedded-checkout=true Quote
BeaverFever Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 Just now, BeaverFever said: Trump Wants Canada’s Keystone XL Oil Pipeline Built ‘Now’ The conduit was meant to carry oil sands crude to Nebraska Pipeline developer says it has ‘moved on’ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-02-25/trump-wants-canada-to-us-keystone-xl-oil-pipeline-built-now?embedded-checkout=true Just in case the Trump supporting moro0ns need any more evidence of what clueless disorganized id1ot Trump is, this is the same president who is saying USA doesn’t need Canadian oil and wants to tariff it….so he wants to build a multibillion dollar pipeline that nobody wants to move oil he claims nobody needs and he will charge Americans extra for using? What more evidence does anyone need that Dictator On Day One doesn’t have a clue about what he’s doing. 1 2 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 52 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: What specific “soft on crime” policies are you referring to and what proof do you have that they are the cause? In the USA they have harsh punishment and yet still have high crime. Beaver, this has been done many times and has been in the paper billions of times. Justin passed laws requiring that all bad guys be immediately given bail even if they are repeat violent offenders. This has lead to many many violent crimes and deaths, many of which were reported, including cases where a guy was arrested for rape, released, and raped teh same girl again that afternoon. Several of the 'bigger' death stories like the saskatchewan slaughter and the killing of rcmp have been directly tied to this policy. Police chiefs across the nation have spoken out loudly against it and so have most of the premiers. Those stories have been posted here and were carried by the mainstream media. So don't give me your whole "duuuuh me not know what u mean" routine. In addition to that the supreme court shot down a number of teflon crime policies and Justin chose rather than to reinstate them with corrections that would resolve the issues to just let them die. he is spending billions to go after lawful gun owners but is spending almost nothing to actually address crime gangs or gunsmuggling. He is let activist judges get away with lowering the penalties and bars for criminals including violent ones without any action. And the bad guys know it and so do the cops so they don't bother arresting bad guys anymore because they're just going to be out in the street again in 5 minutes. I could go on for some time. But here, tell me... can you think of anything that changed in 2015? Canada: violent crime rate 2023 | Statista Quote
BeaverFever Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 On 2/26/2025 at 12:58 PM, CdnFox said: I could go on for some time. But here, tell me... can you think of anything that changed in 2015? I will start with this statement of yours first. Trudeau took office on November 4 of that year. Surely you understand the foolishness of trying to blame an entire year’s worth of crime statistics on the final 57 days of that year when he was newly in office and wouldn’t have enacted a single policy As for the rest of your claims 1)The reforms you mentioned too place years after crime rates started rising therefore can’t possibly be the case 2)The bail and mandatory minimum reforms didn’t FORCE judges or prosecutors to treat violent offenders more leniently. They allowed the officials who are involved in the case to exercise their judgment as they saw fit for the circumstances of the specific case instead of having to apply a blanket rule from Ottawa in every situation whether it’s appropriate or not. That includes harsh treatment if that is what they feel is warranted 3) You have yet to prove that the increased crimes are due to accused who are on bail or who are out of jail early 4) Cops are not impartial and are not experts on crime rates. Naturally they want the harshest possible penalties for all law breakers (except when the law breaker is a police officer in which case they want nothing more severe than temporary suspension with full pay and verbal reprimands) On 2/26/2025 at 12:58 PM, CdnFox said: Justin passed laws requiring that all bad guys be immediately given bail even if they are repeat violent offenders. Absolutely false lie On 2/26/2025 at 12:58 PM, CdnFox said: He is let activist judges get away with lowering the penalties and bars for criminals including violent ones without any action. Judges shouldn’t legislate from the bench but similarly politicians shouldn’t adjudicate from the legislature. There is a reason that the judiciary is a separate branch of government. On 2/26/2025 at 12:58 PM, CdnFox said: And the bad guys know it and so do the cops so they don't bother arresting bad guys anymore because they're just going to be out in the street again in 5 minutes. Mandatory minimums have virtually no impact on a criminal’s decision to commit a crime. To the extent Criminals give any thought to it at all, it is mostly based upon whether they will get caught not how many years in jail they will face IF they get caught. Look at the Republican red states, with their high crime AND yet the harshest punishments, with police officers having essentially complete immunity from the law. Poverty, inequality and demographics are bigger drivers of crime rates than punishment At least you mention that cops aren’t doing their job but it’s ridiculous you would claim that is the PMs fault 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: I will start with this statement of yours first. Trudeau took office on November 4 of that year. Surely you understand the foolishness of trying to blame an entire year’s worth of crime statistics on the final 57 days of that year when he was newly in office and wouldn’t have enacted a single policy That might make sense if we were only talking about the violence for one year. But i didn't ask "why was there violence in 2015". I asked "what changed in 2015. DID YOU HAPPEN TO NOTICE THE 10 YEARS THAT FOLLLOWED THAT CHANGE! Nice try kiddo but that attempt wouldn't fly at your usual preschool debate club never mind here 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: As for the rest of your claims 1)The reforms you mentioned too place years after crime rates started rising therefore can’t possibly be the case 2)The bail and mandatory minimum reforms didn’t FORCE judges or prosecutors to treat violent offenders more leniently. They allowed the officials who are involved in the case to exercise their judgment as they saw fit for the circumstances of the specific case instead of having to apply a blanket rule from Ottawa in every situation whether it’s appropriate or not. That includes harsh treatment if that is what they feel is warranted 3) You have yet to prove that the increased crimes are due to accused who are on bail or who are out of jail early 4) Cops are not impartial and are not experts on crime rates. Naturally they want the harshest possible penalties for all law breakers (except when the law breaker is a police officer in which case they want nothing more severe than temporary suspension with full pay and verbal reprimands) Nope. They began in 2016. ONE of the ones i mentioned was finalized in 2019 and has contributed to the ever climbing rate. Swing and a miss. 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: Absolutely false lie Absoute truth. 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: Judges shouldn’t legislate from the bench but similarly politicians shouldn’t adjudicate from the legislature. That is precisely what politicians should do. That is their job. They are to determine if the laws and the judges rulings are appropriate and adopt legislation accordingly. 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: Mandatory minimums have virtually no impact on a criminal’s decision to commit a crime Sure, that's why since we got rid of them the crime rate is gone down. Oh wait..... So you've tried to lie your way through it, you've ignored the truth and the simple facts, but most telling of all you couldn't come up with any explanation for why the absolutely out of control insane climb in violent crime is happening Justin's policies and actions or lack of actions in some cases has lead precisely to this end. He's soft on crime, and the results show. Sorry kid, better luck with your next woke leftist talking point. Quote
eyeball Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: So you've tried to lie your way through it, you've ignored the truth and the simple facts, but most telling of all you couldn't come up with any explanation for why the absolutely out of control insane climb in violent crime is happening The increasing cost of surviving might have something to do with it - increasing socioeconomic inequality. We haven't seen anything yet. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 4 hours ago, eyeball said: The increasing cost of surviving might have something to do with it Nope. Costs weren't increasing for most of those years. At least not substantially or to a crisis point, we wouldn't see that till about 2019. There was massive immigration but there doesn't seem to be a big tie in there either when you look at the data. But there WERE definitely a number of policy changes, some rulings that never got acted upon, and some changes like the bail laws that all add up to bad guys getting less time in jail and violent criminals being allowed out to frequently reoffend. I really don't see the need to look a whole lot further than that. Quote
Boges Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 Part of me is convinced he's doing this all for the rhetoric. If he doesn't follow through on the tariffs next week, it'll be clear he's using them as a tool to extort people not an economic tool. US exporters already have to be feeling the pinch coming from the active avoidance of American products Americans have done. Quote
Aristides Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 I think the time has come to say, do what you are going to do Donald and we will deal with it. We're done playing this game. On 2/26/2025 at 8:58 AM, BeaverFever said: What specific “soft on crime” policies are you referring to and what proof do you have that they are the cause? In the USA they have harsh punishment and yet still have high crime. The US has the largest prison population on the planet yet half of them think they have to be armed to feel safe. 2 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 51 minutes ago, Aristides said: I think the time has come to say, do what you are going to do Donald and we will deal with it. We're done playing this game. The US has the largest prison population on the planet yet half of them think they have to be armed to feel safe. yeah. "we'll stop negotiating until tarrifs are off the table but we don't negotiate at gunpoint" Quote
BeaverFever Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 On 2/27/2025 at 4:09 PM, CdnFox said: That might make sense if we were only talking about the violence for one year. But i didn't ask "why was there violence in 2015". I asked "what changed in 2015. DID YOU HAPPEN TO NOTICE THE 10 YEARS THAT FOLLLOWED THAT CHANGE! Nice try kiddo but that attempt wouldn't fly at your usual preschool debate club never mind here But obviously the trend predates Trudeau and his reforms which is the point you clearly missed. On 2/27/2025 at 4:09 PM, CdnFox said: Nope. They began in 2016. ONE of the ones i mentioned was finalized in 2019 and has contributed to the climbing rate Bill c-75 was received royal assent in 2019. C-5 in 2022. I am not aware of any other on the topic before those. AFAIK 2016 is when SCOC not Trudeau struck down Harper’s bills Keep in mind after they receive assent there would be lag time before you would see any actual results in criminal outcomes. What specifically are you referring to? What proof do you have that either contributed to the crime rate? I mean PROOF. Heck I will even settle for evidence. On 2/27/2025 at 4:09 PM, CdnFox said: Absoute truth. Lie. On 2/27/2025 at 4:09 PM, CdnFox said: That is precisely what politicians should do. That is their job. They are to determine if the laws and the judges rulings are appropriate and adopt legislation accordingly. No its not, that is why the judiciary is an independent branch of government. On 2/27/2025 at 4:09 PM, CdnFox said: Sure, that's why since we got rid of them the crime rate is gone down. Oh wait..... They have no impact. Look at all your red states. High penalties still high crime. You have no evidence to support your argument except that 2 things happened roughly around the same period but of course the crime rate went up years before JTs reforms. On 2/27/2025 at 4:09 PM, CdnFox said: So you've tried to lie your way through it Wow there you go falsely accusing ppl of lying again, your go-to tactic when you have nothing else to say. Tell me what did I supposedly lie about this time exactly? So far the only lie in this debate is your claim that “Justin passed laws requiring that all bad guys be immediately given bail even if they are repeat violent offenders,” which is demonstrably false. On 2/27/2025 at 4:09 PM, CdnFox said: you've ignored the truth and the simple facts, but most telling of all you couldn't come up with any explanation for why the absolutely out of control insane climb in violent crime is happening No I haven’t ignored the truth you’re falling back into your old ways of claiming your opinions are truth. The simple facts are that the timing of the reforms Trudeau made don’t line up with the rise in crime rate and you’re not able to show any evidence that the crime rise due to people out on bail or short sentences. If you look at the bigger picture you’ll see the recent bump in crime is a uptick from historical lows and is still low in that context, lower than it was for most of the Harper years in fact Per JHS: Crime rates remain relatively low by historical standards, and several kinds of crime have declined greatly – something that gets almost no coverage. Overall crime rates in Canada are still lower than they have been in nearly 50 years, and about 40% lower than they were at the peak in about 1990. But declines in crime are not widely reported, whereas increases are. So it is no surprise that most Canadians think, year after year, that crime is increasing. One can only describe kind of editorial as dishonest because it fails to include necessary context. What makes up the increase in violent crime? As it turns out, in 2021 about 40% of the increase in violent crime over the last year was accounted for by one category – level 1 sexual assault, which is a sexual assault where there is no physical harm to the victim, such as unwanted touching. Incidences of more serious sexual assault actually declined. The second largest contributing factor was uttering threats. In 2022 the largest increase was extortion. https://johnhoward.ca/blog/misrepresenting-the-data-on-crime/ Quote
CdnFox Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 22 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: But obviously the trend predates Trudeau and his reforms which is the point you clearly missed. Nope. First off one year is not a trend. The trend prior to trudeau was constantly falling crime rates. The trend after trudeau was constantly increasing crime rates. That is obvious to anyone over the age of 4. Quote AFAIK 2016 is when SCOC not Trudeau struck down Harper’s bills The courst don't strike laws, they rule against them and the gov't has to change the laws. And that gave trudeau the chance to amend and redo them. As always. Not to mention using the notwithstanding if that's what was in the interest of teh nation But did he rewrite them? No. Did he reintroduce them with the not withstanding? No. Did he replace them with something ese? NO. Did crime fall when they were introduced? Yes. Did crime shoot up when trudeau allowed them to lapse? Yes. Sorry but it is 100% on Trudeau tht he allowed the supreme court To find that those laws weren't adequate and then do absolutely nothing to correct or replace them Quote Keep in mind after they receive assent there would be lag time before you would see any actual results in criminal outcomes. What specifically are you referring to? Historically no. It's a funny thing but for whatever reason if the public perceives that the government is taking a soft on crime direction for whatever reason crimes immediately go up. The opposite is true as well. I know that also affects police and how aggressively they are pursuing criminals and such. So unfortunately the moment you are perceived as being soft on crime the crime rate tends to climb Quote What proof do you have that either contributed to the crime rate? I mean PROOF. Heck I will even settle for evidence. Well as I said a large number of police and other shootings were directly attributed to the parole issues, police chiefs across the Canada have spoken out against the softer on crime policies and the dangers when the supreme court ruled against some of the laws, etc etc And you don't address any of this. Once again your whole argument is to Runaway scared and not address any of these points. I have proven again and again direct correlations between Trudeau's actions and an increasing and worsening crime situation. That is evidenced by any sane standard. Now if you have some species of evidence that strongly shows it's something else then great, put it on the table and let's have a talk about it. But there is nothing else and that's why the police chiefs and the premiers have been begging Trudeau to take action So rather than care about Canadians or the victims of criminals you care more about the liberals and want to defend them even though it's patently obvious that you can't And I noticed that you go so far as to point to a chart that talks about crime rather than violent crime which is what we were discussing. I'm sure that that kind of tactic absolutely slays them at recess at your Elementary School. Trudeau's policies beginning even before he took office and lasting until literally now when he still hasn't done anything to correct the serious problems identified by the police and the provinces has resulted in unprecedented increases in violent crime during his time. But you don't care about crime or victims or anything other than your own petty personal interests Quote
eyeball Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 On 3/2/2025 at 10:00 PM, CdnFox said: Now if you have some species of evidence that strongly shows it's something else then great, put it on the table and let's have a talk about it. But there is nothing else and that's why the police chiefs and the premiers have been begging Trudeau to take action Has there ever been a time anywhere when police and right-wingers say crime is down and to save your funding for something else? I mean ever, anywhere, in all of human history? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Aristides Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Has there ever been a time anywhere when police and right-wingers say crime is down and to save your funding for something else? I mean ever, anywhere, in all of human history? What police are fed up with is continually arresting the same people for the same offences. When they are arresting the same person twice a day for the same thing, something needs to change. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Has there ever been a time anywhere when police and right-wingers say crime is down and to save your funding for something else? I mean ever, anywhere, in all of human history? Sure. In fact it's happened in British Columbia. Please funding has been capped or the like because there isn't seen to be a need for additional police forces given the current crime circumstances and that has happened from conservative governments. The previous "liberal" gov't in bc got in trouble for that a few times. Here's an example B.C. Liberals under fire for budget cuts during crime wave - The Globe and Mail Honestly, why don't you actually learn what you're talking about before you open your mouth and look silly? Quote
eyeball Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 (edited) 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: Sure. In fact it's happened in British Columbia. Please funding has been capped or the like because there isn't seen to be a need for additional police forces given the current crime circumstances and that has happened from conservative governments. The previous "liberal" gov't in bc got in trouble for that a few times. Here's an example B.C. Liberals under fire for budget cuts during crime wave - The Globe and Mail Honestly, why don't you actually learn what you're talking about before you open your mouth and look silly? I said... Has there ever been a time anywhere when police and right-wingers say crime is down. From your article. Mr. Hansen told members of the Greater Victoria Chamber of Commerce the government is able to reduce budgets in Mr. Oppal's ministry because it made savings in court services that include diverting cases away from the courts and introducing the less formal community court in Vancouver. Sounds more like facilitating the catch and release of criminals. Knowing the BC "Liberals" probably white collar crooks laundering money into BC's real estate market. Honestly, has there ever been a time when you simply answered the question that was actually asked? Not. Edited March 8 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 8 Report Posted March 8 3 hours ago, eyeball said: I said... Has there ever been a time anywhere when police and right-wingers say crime is down. From your article. Mr. Hansen told members of the Greater Victoria Chamber of Commerce the government is able to reduce budgets in Mr. Oppal's ministry because it made savings in court services that include diverting cases away from the courts and introducing the less formal community court in Vancouver. Sounds more like facilitating the catch and release of criminals. Knowing the BC "Liberals" probably white collar crooks laundering money into BC's real estate market. Honestly, has there ever been a time when you simply answered the question that was actually asked? Not. That's how they presented crime is down. But as usual, you were wrong but somehow you wanted to be my fault Quote
eyeball Posted March 8 Report Posted March 8 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: That's how they presented crime is down. No they said it was because it made savings in court services that include diverting cases away from the courts and introducing the less formal community court in Vancouver. 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: But as usual, you were wrong but somehow you wanted to be my fault Wrong about what exactly? But yes, I was pretty sure you'd cawk up your response...as usual. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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