Do these woke lefty climate change fighters want Canadians to eat crickets now?

Radiorum · November 20, 2024

2 minutes ago, Legato said:

Uncle Tom Cobbly

I had to Google it, (but don't understand its reference here)

A character in the song Widecombe Fair

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Tom Pearce, Tom Pearce, lend me your grey mare.
All along, down along, out along lea.
For I want for to go to Widecombe Fair,
With Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney,
Peter Davy, Dan'l Whiddon, Harry Hawke,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all,
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all.

WestCanMan · November 20, 2024

12 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

What do you want to know? I'll Google it for you.

Start with this one: Why did our PM force the AG to overrule a decision by the director of public prosecutions preventing SNC from getting a DPA so that they could bid on Canadian gov't projects? Why did Trudeau's gov't create the DPA law for SNC in the first place? Do you know about SNC's criminal activity within in Canada? Or why it should prevent them from ever working here again?

Why did our gov't prevent the AG and MPs from talking to the RCMP if they're so transparent and accountable?

Is "We don't have to allow people to talk to the RCMP" your version of transparent and accountable?

Edited November 20, 2024 by WestCanMan

Legato · November 20, 2024

Just now, Radiorum said:

I had to Google it, (but don't understand its reference here)

Why am I not surprised.

Radiorum · November 20, 2024

10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Why did our PM force the AG to overrule a decision by the director of public prosecutions preventing SNC from getting a DPA so that they could bid on Canadian gov't projects? Why did he create the DPA law in the first place? Do you know about SNC's criminal activity within in Canada? Or why it should prevent them from ever working here again?

It's all explained here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_prosecution_agreement_(Canada)

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Why did our gov't prevent the AG and MPs from talking to the RCMP

it's all explained here:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/parliament-ground-to-a-halt-over-conservative-allegations-of-liberal-corruption-1.7061138

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

"We don't have to allow people to talk to the RCMP"

A Conservative talking point.

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The RCMP told MPs this summer they likely would not be able to use the documents as part of an investigation, but Scheer said they should have access to all the information before they decide.

The Liberals claimed that ordering the production of documents to be handed over to the RCMP blurs the lines between Parliament and the judiciary, and blame Conservatives for the dysfunction in the House.

WestCanMan · November 20, 2024

14 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

It's all explained here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_prosecution_agreement_(Canada)

Wrong. Not all of those things were explained there. Not even close.

There are people and place names that would be in there if it was a complete answer.

How does this pertain to "whether or not Canadians should ever trust SNC Lavalin"?

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it's all explained here:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/parliament-ground-to-a-halt-over-conservative-allegations-of-liberal-corruption-1.7061138

That's 100% off-topic. Are you kidding?

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A Conservative talking point.

Wrong.

The AG and MPs weren't allowed to talk to the RCMP, and even the quote that you cited mentions that documents that were pertinent to the case were not handed over.

FYI transparent and accountable means absolutely nothing when known gov't corruption is protected by a veil of secrecy, right?

Can you explain the difference between:

Canadian gov't transparency and accountability that's shrouded by several layers of gov't secrecy and
Russian gov't transparency and accountability that's shrouded by several layers of gov't secrecy?

Is one somehow better than the other because of "democracy"? Is that what democracy means to you? Is it some kind of magic pill?

You seem all lost and far from home, Radiorum.

Radiorum · November 20, 2024

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You seem all lost and far from home, Radiorum.

Using SNC Lavalin as a pretext to diss Canada seems a little more lost to me.

Let's understand the dialogue. You took Russia's side in the war. I say I choose democracy over autocracy. You say democracy is not perfect. Damn, I know that. But it beats the heck out of the oppression that exists in Russia.

Remember the words of Winston Churchill:

“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”

CdnFox · November 21, 2024

16 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Using SNC Lavalin as a pretext to diss Canada seems a little more lost to me.

Calling out actual corruption is hardly lost. Unless you support corruption.

20 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”

Constitutional representational democracy (Which is probably what you meant), It's probably the best form of government available to us and that is true.

But for it to be effective the people do have to pipe up when they see genuine corruption and call it out for what it is and take the appropriate steps.

The liberals are very clearly extremely corrupt and Canada's system has allowed that to happen and liberal supporters along with NDP supporters have promoted it. The NDP is every bit as corrupt because they have supported the liberals and their corruption

. If democracy is to work then the voters have to agree to remove those two from power and punish them for what they have done. That is the only way you eliminate corruption in our system. Otherwise any new government can pass whatever laws it needs to in order to be corrupt

So let's see if you believe in what you said. How will you be voting next election?

WestCanMan · November 21, 2024

11 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Using SNC Lavalin as a pretext to diss Canada seems a little more lost to me.

Using a blatant example of our gov't's lack of transparency and accountability to deflate your patently false statement about our gov't's great track record for transparency and accountability made you feel lost?

Well that's why I said you seemed lost and far from home, cupcake, because you are.

Now, explain the difference between:

Canadian gov't transparency and accountability that's shrouded by several layers of gov't secrecy and
Russian gov't transparency and accountability that's shrouded by several layers of gov't secrecy.

because to the rest of the world, those two things are the same. In fact, they seem identical, and I even copied and pasted "gov't transparency and accountability that's shrouded by several layers of gov't secrecy" from one line to the next, because they are identical.

You see, Radiorum, your gov't isn't transparent and accountable if they're not transparent and accountable. Capiche?

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Let's understand the dialogue. You took Russia's side in the war. I say I choose democracy over autocracy. You say democracy is not perfect. Damn, I know that. But it beats the heck out of the oppression that exists in Russia.

Remember the words of Winston Churchill:

“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”

That's from a different thread. This is a completely different conversation.

If we had talked about polar bears earlier today, would that be germane here?

Was it you that said "Kennedy was right to defend his ideology in 1962" earlier? Because I was talking about Russia protecting its citizens.

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“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”

Marilyn Monroe: "When I'm good, I'm damn good. When I'm bad, I'm better."

Both good quotes, but neither one is applicable here.

Radiorum · November 21, 2024

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But for it to be effective the people do have to pipe up when they see genuine corruption and call it out for what it is and take the appropriate steps.

But you have this right in Canada! And then we have our voice at the ballot box.

Compare this to Russia, where, according to Amnesty International:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/projects/anti-war-protest-in-russia/

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People in Russia are not able to protest peacefully without fear of reprisals.

A week into its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Russia introduced war censorship laws to make criticism the invasion a grave offence.

Many people are serving lengthy prison sentences for peaceful anti-war dissent. That includes people like Natalya Filonova, who has been sentenced to almost three years in prison after an anti-war protest. Or Maria Ponomarenko, who is serving a six-year sentence for a Telegram post.

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

How will you be voting next election?

I don't know.

CdnFox · November 21, 2024

Just now, Radiorum said:

But you have this right in Canada! And then we have our voice at the ballot box.

Yes and no. In the most simplistic sense that can be true, however it's not hard to manipulate people or the information they receive. Further our laws blocked our police from properly investigating this and giving people an honest opinion about the criminality of what happened. So how does a voter exercise that right without the information necessary to make an informed opinion due to corruption within the system?

Our system better than Russia? I think so, especially in concept. But in practice while I still think it's better it's more of a shades of gray thing.

For example let's take a look at your quote

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People in Russia are not able to protest peacefully without fear of reprisals.

You mean like someone may seize their bank accounts, attempt to steal their assets, put them on a list or have them arrested for non-violent protest without even so much as getting a court order first in flagrant violation of their alleged rights under the charter?

Man. Wouldn't that be terrible.

We have more checks and balances to prevent that kind of abuse but to be honest it happens more often than you probably think. There is a term known as punishment by process where governments at various levels ruins people's lives by dragging them through the legal processes even though they don't believe they're actually guilty of a real crime but that they might be guilty of offending that government another way.

4 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

I don't know.

So you might very well vote to keep the corruption going then. This appears to be what you're saying.

There's another saying. " The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter"

Radiorum · November 21, 2024

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Now, explain the difference between:

Canadian gov't transparency and accountability that's shrouded by several layers of gov't secrecy and

Russian gov't transparency and accountability that's shrouded by several layers of gov't secrecy.

I'm sorry, equating the governments of Canada and Russia means you have lost all credibility.

I refer you to one of my previous posts:

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

"Kennedy was right to defend his ideology in 1962

This isn't the first time you have changed my words. I said that Kennedy was defending democracy, defending the democratic world.

Radiorum · November 21, 2024

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You mean like someone may seize their bank accounts, attempt to steal their assets, put them on a list or have them arrested for non-violent protest without even so much as getting a court order first in flagrant violation of their alleged rights under the charter?

Your complaint isn't against the system, it's against the party. And you can rest easy in the knowledge that in the next election you can vote them out. No such comfort is available to the Russian people.

CdnFox · November 21, 2024

3 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Your complaint isn't against the system, it's against the party.

The system is what allows the party to exist and protects it. So no, my complaint is with the system.

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And you can rest easy in the knowledge that in the next election you can vote them out.

Hopefully. On the other hand he's already changed the laws to begin to try and tilt things in his favor and protect his minions and steal hundreds of millions of additional dollars in the event that he does fall.

So how do I get my money back that way? And he may still collude with the CBC and other mainstream media outlets to lie outright in an attempt to influence the election and I wouldn't have any way of stopping that. It may or may not be successful, but look at what the CBC tried to do to Danielle Smith during the alberta election. They out and out lied throughout the entire election and insisted that she was criminal and evil and then as soon as the election was over and she turned it to consider a lawsuit they threw up their hands and apologized and said oh it's all our fault how could we have possibly made that mistake. That's a media source that's funded by taxpayer dollars we're not talking about some independent running their mouth. That is a state broadcaster.

Like I said, it's more shades of gray than you would care to think. The liberals and NDP chose to set aside the rights of Canadians just a couple of years ago and if they hadn't been stopped by the senate threat they would have continued to oppress people for no better reason than they disagreed with them politically and they got away with it. They have suffered no consequence even having been found guilty by a judge. And they will walk away never having paid a cent or suffered a millimeter.

Because the system is specifically allows for the corruption and is information of the public by the government at the taxpayers expense and because this system is set up in such a way that no government will ever suffer a consequence other than being fired with full pension and massive amounts of money funneled away to organizations who will then hire them on as CEOs and pay them obscene cash for doing nothing (not to mention speaking tours) There is no downside to stealing our rights and our money.

That's not the same as Russia, but it's not that far off. I would remind you that Russia just had an election as well.

WestCanMan · November 21, 2024

3 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

But you have this right in Canada! And then we have our voice at the ballot box.

So you can complain about corruption, but nothing will be done about it, because the actions of the Trudeau gov't are shrouded by layer upon layer of secrecy.

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Compare this to Russia, where, according to Amnesty International:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/projects/anti-war-protest-in-russia/

People in Russia are not able to protest peacefully without fear of reprisals.

A week into its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Russia introduced war censorship laws to make criticism the invasion a grave offence.

Many people are serving lengthy prison sentences for peaceful anti-war dissent. That includes people like Natalya Filonova, who has been sentenced to almost three years in prison after an anti-war protest. Or Maria Ponomarenko, who is serving a six-year sentence for a Telegram post.

Chaba Vizi, a peaceful protester, was beaten up by cops right on the street in Ottawa, after he surrendered on his knees with his hands behind his head. Nothing happened.
Canadians had their bank accounts seized for donating small amounts of money to the Freedom Convoy
The RCMP illegally seized, aka "stole", gas and supplies from truckers in Ottawa.
The Ukraine gov't kicked the largest opposition party right out of parliament (maybe the areas where those officials were elected should become part of another country now)
The Ukrainian gov't seized full control of the media
the Ukrainian gov't has suspended elections

Your support of "democracy" is a farce. You wipe your arse with the constitution and wrap yourself in the LPOC flag.

Radiorum · November 21, 2024

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Hopefully.

Poilievre is going to win. I'd bet on it. Then we'll see what happens.

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I would remind you that Russia just had an election as well.

Yeah, too bad Navalny wasn't able to participate.

WestCanMan · November 21, 2024

48 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

I'm sorry, equating the governments of Canada and Russia means you have lost all credibility.

Wrong.

The fact that you can't explain how the Cdn gov't's lack of transparency and accountability is somehow better than the Russian gov't's lack of transparency and accountability means that you have lost all credibility.

You said that our gov't was transparent and accountable and i proved that it is not. In fact, your own link provided evidence that it is not.

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This isn't the first time you have changed my words. I said that Kennedy was defending democracy, defending the democratic world.

Here ya go:

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Why did Kennedy threaten war with Russia in 1962?

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He was protecting democracy. That's all the difference. I stand on the side of democracy, not autocracy.

Nice try liar, I was 100% correct, both literally and re: context and meaning.

You said that somehow Kennedy gets to protect his citizens because America is a democracy, but Russia doesn't get to do the same or it's considered a "big mean bully war".

Edited November 21, 2024 by WestCanMan

CdnFox · November 21, 2024

23 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Poilievre is going to win. I'd bet on it. Then we'll see what happens.

Looks that way, but you never know. Look what happened in the states, charges were faked up to repress trump when the democrats became concerned he might win.

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Yeah, too bad Navalny wasn't able to participate.

True, but they had an election so it must be fair and democratic right? Right?

Like I said, shades of gray. We saw that last time the Chinese interfered with our election to a degree that we still haven't been informed about and the information about whether or not it actually changed things has been hidden and won't be released. We are reassured by those who have everything to gain by lying to us that it was never that bad but honestly how would you know?

@WestCanMan is not wrong to compare us to russia. They may be worse but the similarities are undeniable.

WestCanMan · November 21, 2024

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

@WestCanMan is not wrong to compare us to russia. They may be worse but the similarities are undeniable.

Oh you're 100% correct there: the Russian gov't is doing things that are far worse.

But to say that Canada's gov't is transparent and accountable is no less of a farce than saying that Putin's gov't is transparent and accountable.

One guy is a murderer saying "I didn't do it" and the other guy is a crook saying "I didn't do it".

Army Guy · November 22, 2024

On 11/20/2024 at 5:46 PM, herbie said:

You're arguing that govt shouldn't invest in innovation, like saying the proper thing would've been proper to wait until Elon Musk was born and made SpaceX a marketable business instead of trying to keep up with those leftist commie space achievements?
Shouldn't have wasted money in the 1950s on hybrid grains etc?

Are you so dogmatically conservative you believe we shouldn't even shit unless business does it first?

That is not what i'm saying at all, THIS project , THIS business plan is nothing more than a waste of 9 million tax dollars...It failed before the construction was completed on the plant....how much more obvious do you need...The person that green lite this project should be fired....why don't we open a 9 million dollar ice cube factory in the far north.

This is the difference between the left and the right, tax dollars are not collected so the government can wan ton and spend all of it willy nilly on what ever they like....it is to maintain government and social programs, infra struture etc that are required by the population...spending 9 million on a cricket factory is stupid, one must have a solid business case which they did not or this would have been funded by a bank...not government, they way things are suppose to work..

herbie · November 22, 2024

And I repeat it's petty change.
JT just announced a $6.3 billion vote buying tax and rebate scheme.

CdnFox · November 22, 2024

1 hour ago, herbie said:

And I repeat it's petty change.
JT just announced a $6.3 billion vote buying tax and rebate scheme.

Doesn't matter if it's petty change. Justin spends petty change on this, he spends a couple hundred million on an arrive cam nap that doesn't work and wasn't necessary, he spends a few tens of millions on making sure Africa has diversity and equity in its hiring (i wish i was joking) And so on and it adds up to billions.

I know math isn't your thing, but spending $10 10 times is the same as spending $100. Waste is waste and whether it's 6 billion to buy votes that will only fuel inflation, or 2 billion in unnecessary money for the useless CBC, or 10 million for 100 useless projects it all adds up to wasted money that belongs to the taxpayer.

taxme · November 25, 2024

On 11/19/2024 at 11:30 AM, ExFlyer said:

Conservatives announce new innocuous thing they’re terrified of

OTTAWA – The Conservative Party of Canada has officially announced that in addition to walkable cities, vaccines, and transgender children, they are also deeply afraid of eating bugs.

“We WON’T Eat Bugs,” the CPC said in an online petition it posted this week. “No one is asking us to, but we’re so scared someone might, and it could be Justin Trudeau. And that makes us furious and so very frightened of this version of Justin Trudeau that we made up who is making us eat bugs.”

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2024/11/conservatives-announce-new-innocuous-thing-theyre-terrified-of/

The WEF globalist troll has once again entered the WEF globalist arena with just more globalist bull chit and lies. PP is going to do some Marxist house cleaning when he becomes the PM of Canada in the next election and i know that you are not going to like it. Too bad, so sad for you, troll. 🤣

So, tell me? Which is going to be your favorite bug that one day you may be forced to eat, troll? Will it be cockroaches for you? Just asking. 🤡

ExFlyer · November 25, 2024

1 hour ago, taxme said:

The WEF globalist troll has once again .
So, tell me? . 🤡

Are you as stupid as you come across?

Are you realy believing the article from a satirical site?? I think you are as foolish as confux . Man, did you ever get sucked in LOL

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2024/11/conservatives-announce-new-innocuous-thing-theyre-terrified-of/

Here is another to dwell on LOL

Poilievre denies he’d be a Canadian Trump: “I’ll be more like a Canadian JD Vance”

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2024/11/poilievre-denies-hed-be-a-canadian-trump-ill-be-more-like-a-canadian-jd-vance/

Edited November 25, 2024 by ExFlyer

CdnFox · November 25, 2024

44 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Are you as stupid as you come across?

Are you realy believing the article from a satirical site?? I think you are as foolish as confux

LOL awww muffin, Just can't stop thinking about me can you? Seems like you spend all day thinking about me which is very weird. Guess I broke you a little too much this time huh? And now You've got a bad case of sour grapes. Well, in your case sour grasshoppers I suppose.....

Feel better little guy