Why Do Leftists Really Want Kamala to Win?

[Fluffypants]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Ya, Palestinians were just ecstatic about it and immediately wanted to negotiate.

I am sure they were but they waited until Biden to do anything about it.

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15 minutes ago, Fluffypants said:

Putin won't give in because it will make him look weak so he has to save face. Best case scenario at this point is he will keep the Donbas and Crimea is way too far gone to ever go back to Ukraine.

Lets be realistic here without the US or Europe getting directly involved there will be no end to this war until Russia wins in some way,shape or form.

Now that North Korea is sending troops in to Ukraine, the US and Europe should counter with wither troops of their own, or provide more funding for the Ukrainians. This is a major escalation by Russia. 

[CdnFox]

Just now, DUI_Offender said:

Now that North Korea is sending troops in to Ukraine, the US and Europe should counter with wither troops of their own, or provide more funding for the Ukrainians. This is a major escalation by Russia. 

Well that's unlikely under biden.  But based on some of the things that have come out of russia it sounds like they're looking to push and grab land by february next year as a deadline, suggesting they think that they're going to be pressured into a negotiated settlement once the election is over and there's a victor.  I suspect he realizes that one way or another this will mean his situation becomes untenable next year and wants all the bargaining chips he can get in the short term

[Rebound]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

1. I think that everyone here understands 100% that Trump has proven that he can run an extremely successful economy, and that the Biden economy was awful, and Kamala was a big part of that. If we're being honest, 100% of people here know that Trump is a far better option to run the economy.
2. It's impossible to deny that the world became more peaceful under Trump, and that war and strife broke out on a massive scale under Biden. Even after all this time, the war in the ME and the war in Russia are both expanding and Biden/Harris aren't doing anything to slow them down or stop them. Israel and Iran are directly attacking each other now, and North Korean troops are fighting in Ukraine. 
3. Kamala has been a complete failure along the southern border, and it's a slap in the face when she tries to pretend that he hasn't been. No one here would trust Kamala to run the border any more than they'd trust Ghislaine Maxwell's Boarding School for Girls.

So what's keeping Kamala supporters up at night, just in fear that Trump wins? Abortion? They don't trust that their own states can get it right? Is abortion really more important for leftists than the border, the economy and global peace?

Leftists: forget the border, the economy, and global peace, because Trump is a lock on those issues. Tell us what combination of other issues outweigh the economy, the boder and global peace, putting Kamala ahead of Trump in your books?

If Trump wins, the economy WILL get better, the border WILL get stronger and more secure, and there's a FAR BETTER CHANCE of achieving global peace within the next few weeks.

If Kamala wins, it night be easier to get the abortion total up from the paltry total of 1,026,700 in 2023, but the ensuing wars, God forbid Armageddon, will make that abortion total look weak. 

• 1,026,700 abortions

  • More than a million abortions were provided in the U.S. in 2023. That's a major finding from a report published Tuesday by the Guttmacher Institute, a research organization that supports access to abortion. To be precise, researchers estimate there were 1,026,700 abortions in 2023.

  Was 1M abortions in 2023 not enough? What should that total be? 

Trump ran the U.S. economy into the ground and racked up the highest deficits in history. He had extremely high unemployment, the highest covid death rate of any developed nation and we couldn’t even get toilet paper when he was president. He was an awful and inept President and he hasn’t explained how he will reduce inflation, which has already fallen.  

[CdnFox]

Just now, Rebound said:

Trump ran the U.S. economy into the ground and racked up the highest deficits in history. He had extremely high unemployment, the highest covid death rate of any developed nation and we couldn’t even get toilet paper when he was president. He was an awful and inept President and he hasn’t explained how he will reduce inflation, which has already fallen.  

Virtually none of that is true dude. Like it's not just wrong, it's brutally and completely wrong.

Trump's term in office economically was pretty solid. He did a little bit better than Obama in the if we're comparing it to Obama's last term. He certainly did better than Biden.

If you're going to have a discussion about this stuff it is important to be honest

[Rebound]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Virtually none of that is true dude. Like it's not just wrong, it's brutally and completely wrong.

Trump's term in office economically was pretty solid. He did a little bit better than Obama in the if we're comparing it to Obama's last term. He certainly did better than Biden.

If you're going to have a discussion about this stuff it is important to be honest

It’s all true. Everything I said. 
 

But, please, explain how a 60% across the board tariff is going to make things cost less.  

[Aristides]

21 minutes ago, Fluffypants said:

I am sure they were but they waited until Biden to do anything about it.

So now the embassy move is Biden's fault. Why am I not surprised.

 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

I believe Trump is a PoS. 

1. I was a trial and a jury found him guilty.

Wrong. He never ran a show trial, like the Dems did. Russian collusion was one of the biggest farces in the history of democracy.

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2. Who used the FBI? 

You're so pathetic. The FBI committed several felonies for the Dems, were only convicted of 1, and the sentence was nothing. Clinesmith wasn't even disbarred.

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3: Trump did stack the court, with his own nominees

trump appointed nominees the normal way. Biden tried to convince Americans that it was time to just add 4 more SCJ's, for no other reason than total control by the Dems.

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4. The vaccines are real and work. They saved millions of lives and shortened if not ended the pandemic

There is no such thing as a working covid vaccine. Over 16,000 multi-vaxed Canadians died of covid in 2022. That's more than the total number of people who died of covid in 2020 or 2021.

Ivermectin works. 

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5. No one got caught cheating but Trump can't admit he lost and incited a mob to try and overturn an election. That's one reason he is a PoS.

Hillary got caight cheating multiple times, dummy.

Hillary got caught taking debate questions from CNN.

Hillary and the DNC got caught rigging the primary against Bernie. 

Hillary got caught providing false evidence of Russian collusion against Trump via her lawyer, Michael Sussman. She tried to get Trump thrown in jail with her false evidence. The FBI committed several crimes for her (lying to the FISA court judge on multiple occasions, and even fabricating evidence at one point)

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6. States run elections, not the Federal government. 

The Dems in the federal gov't are still in favour of that fraud.

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7. Who said there was no inflation?

Biden was saying there was no inflation for a very long time. He did it on multiple occasions. He even did a presser where they tried to pretend that the cost of a Thanksgiving dinner for the whole family would only cost a few extra bucks. It was a slap in the face.

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Trump committed to leaving Afghanistan before and negotiated the agreement and set the date for withdrawal and released 5000 Talibanl. 

And Trump was also very clear that the Taliban had to meet every single one of his pre-set conditions or it was all off, and the head of the Taliban had his life on the line. He absolutely knew that Trump was not bluffing after he killed so many other terrorist leaders and even 2 Iranian generals.

The Taliban got mad about Biden not doing everything that was agreed to by Trump because they knew they could get mad at Biden and nothing would happen.

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8. This just more  Trump bulshit MAGA's are parroting. Just another reason he is a PoS.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-defund-police/

I never said Biden was a defund police guy, that was Kamala. She was also the one who went on Colbert to gush about how awesome the BLM "movement" was during all of the rioting, while she was also trying to get people to donate to a bail fund to get rioters out of jail. Yes, "rioters", because zero peaceful protesters went to jail. 

You keep chiming in to make false denials because you think that you have to, but you just proved that you're a cultist and serial liar. 

[Aristides]

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1. Did he say stupid things like "defund police, please donate to this bail fund in Minnesota to get people arrested at the riots back onto the street, Joe Biden is perfectly capable right now"?

I'm not going to bother with the rest.

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2 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Trump is a lot like Reagan in this way, the rest of the world thinks he is too unpredictable and don't want to risk it.

Reagan was not unpredictable.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

It’s all true. Everything I said. 

It is 100 percent false.  And how many times have i told you that if you have to lie to make your point you don't have a very good point. 

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But, please, explain how a 60% across the board tariff is going to make things cost less.  

You mean that plan he's floated but not actually committed to the way you guys kind of suggest he has?  

I doubt it would. But I also doubt it will happen. I suspect that that's a strong bargaining trip that he is going to use to try and browbeat certain people into concessions. He said it was something he was leaning towards and was considering, not something that he was prepare to do day one or something.

And that's the least of your concerns. His other 20% tariff for everybody else would affect an awful lot more goods. But again I doubt it exists. He will use it to threaten people.

This is the same trump we see again and again. This is the trump that invited Russia to attack any NATO member who didn't pay their fair share. This is what he does.

So chances are very few of the tariffs will ever actually get implemented. But he thinks he can go to Canada and say I want your water or else the 20% tariff across the board applies to you. And he thinks he can go to china and get trade concessions there with the threat of his tariffs if they don't. Etc etc 

And the end result will be a boost to the economy. 

Trump is a lot of things, most of them highly sus,  but he's not stupid. And he does understand business. I doubt it'll be miraculous like he thinks it will but i think you'll get a nice solidly good result that you can lie about when the next election rolls around   

 

41 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I'm not going to bother with the rest.

Ahhhh still putting your fingers in your ears and humming when you see facts you don't like  

Well.... points for consistency anyway I guess.  Good job! 

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Just how will President Trump get Russia out of the Donbas, Crimea and the rest of Ukrainian territory? If he can restore Ukraine's borders and sovereignty, I will be happy to praise him.

Why would Russia leave?

There was a war, and Russia and Ukraine arrived at this point, for better or worse, and I don't know why Russia would ever leave that territory.

Why is it important to you that the map doesn't change? 

Ukraine knew what it would take to avoid this war, just a simple acknowledgement that they'd never join NATO, but they didn't and now here we are. 

How many lives would you be willing to see lost in order for Ukraine to get that territory back?

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The same if he can get a two state solution to bring peace in Palestine and Israel.

TBH Trump accomplished more for Israel in 4 short years than was accomplished between 1948 and 2016.

It was a MASSIVE step when Arab nations started normalizing relations with Israel. They all, and I mean all, agreed that they'd never do that in Khartoum, back in 1967, and they all stuck to their guns until Trump was POTUS.

[WestCanMan]

Hey Rebound, try to find a way to prove that you're an id10t without actually saying it...

7 hours ago, Rebound said:

Trump ran the U.S. economy into the ground

That was fast.

But can you tell lies that would make CNN blush?

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He had extremely high unemployment

KABOOM! 2 fer 2...

Ok, how about if you just try to say something that proves that your confirmation bias makes the iron dome look porous?

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 he hasn’t explained how he will reduce inflation

OK, I'll say it... The iron dome is your b1tch now. Congratz.

[robosmith]

9 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

I did attack the truth. You attacked me.

I defend the truth YOU LIE ABOUT.

[robosmith]

9 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Putin won't give in because it will make him look weak so he has to save face. Best case scenario at this point is he will keep the Donbas and Crimea is way too far gone to ever go back to Ukraine.

Lets be realistic here without the US or Europe getting directly involved there will be no end to this war until Russia wins in some way,shape or form.

Putin won't give in because him being deposed means he will PAY for the $200B he's STOLEN from Russia.

Have you seen his mansions? 🤮

9 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Did he though? There was lot cry baby whining over it but nothing really happened. Just like when he killed the Iranian general and the Democrats cried "OMG TRUMP JUST STARTED WW3" and all they did was shoot some rockets at a US base in the Middle East with the effect being minimal.

It was like when you hurt your little brother and he comes back and hits with one of his baby punches in the arm and then runs away.

Dozens of soldiers suffered brain injuries. Hardly "minimal." 🤮

[robosmith]

9 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Trump is a lot like Reagan in this way, the rest of the world thinks he is too unpredictable and don't want to risk it.

Your amateur psychoanalysis is amateur.

[Mathieub]

To the question of the thread, I vote for those, male or female, that are at the right but the less at the right possible.

[Matthew]

18 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

run the economy.

No president "runs the economy."

18 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Even after all this time, the war in the ME and the war in Russia are both expanding and Biden/Harris aren't doing anything to slow them down or stop them

Trump's foreign policy weakened the US. The biggest foreign policy strength the US has is its leadership over the biggest military alliance in human history. Trump weakened our connection to our european allies and instead debased himself before dictators. His policy in these wars will obviously be to side with the authoritarian fascists and further weaken the pro-democracy alliance.

18 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

No one here would trust Kamala to run the border

Trump was literally willing to make the border worse rather than allow immigrantion reform legislation to pass through congress. He only uses the issue for marketing himself rather than actually fixing anything. His only policy is to be harsh and inumane rather than working towards realistic nuanced policy.  Mexico is our biggest trade partner and migrant workers travel seasonally and harvest most of the food in the country. Half of illegal immigration is people who enter legally (mostly through airports) and overstay their visas. The US expels millions of people every year regardless of who the president is. So Trump's cartoonish immigration policies are purely meant for political consumption rather than effective governing.

[gatomontes99]

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

I defend the truth YOU LIE ABOUT.

You can't defend something you've never acknowledged or experienced.

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Matthew said:

No president "runs the economy."

Please never vote.

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Trump's foreign policy weakened the US.

Please never become a teacher.

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Trump weakened our connection to our european allies and instead debased himself before dictators. His policy in these wars will obviously be to side with the authoritarian fascists and further weaken the pro-democracy alliance.

2 concepts that you don't understand:

1. firm guidance
2. detente

Trump was firm with his allies, and forced them to pony up their share of NATO support. It doesn't matter whether they liked it or not, what matters is that it strengthened other member nations, at a time when their strength might become necessary

Trump established open lines of communication with foreign leaders, and he de-escalated warlike situations while also making America look strong. He inflicted heavy sanctions against the countries that these dictators run, but he also managed to keep the peace.

To a numpty like you that might not seem like much, but just consider that America's economy was burgeoning under Trump's leadership, which in turn increased their military capacity, while countries like Iran were being strangled economically and the enormous terrorist caliphate that sprung up under Obama was laid to rest.

When Trump handed over the reins to Biden, America's economy took a huge broadside right off the bat with Biduhn's attacks on domestic energy, and the economy kept spiralling down  for two full years. At the same time Biden was hamstringing America's economy he gave Iran the opportunity to get their economy rolling again, and they quickly financed war and terror all over the place. 

Long story short:

1. Trump = America's economy growing and their enemies getting killed or economically choked out
2. Biden = America's economy foundering while their enemies grow stronger economically and militarily

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Trump was literally willing to make the border worse rather than allow immigrantion reform legislation to pass through congress.

Please never become a politician.

The border was growing stronger all the time under Trump, despite heavy resistance from America's enemies within. 

FYI the solution isn't "open borders plus a vast army of bureaucrats to process illegal immigrants faster while they're living in hotels using prepaid US Gov't credit cards, and just hoping that they'll show up to court on their own recognizance."

To say that Kamala's immigration policies are incredibly stupid is like saying that the gravity on supermassive black holes is rather strong.

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23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Virtually none of that is true dude. Like it's not just wrong, it's brutally and completely wrong.

Trump's term in office economically was pretty solid. He did a little bit better than Obama in the if we're comparing it to Obama's last term. He certainly did better than Biden.

If you're going to have a discussion about this stuff it is important to be honest

Everything you stated can be easily disproven.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Everything you stated can be easily disproven.

Everything I stated has already been proven With absolute certainty. You have to lie or twist or cherry picked specific numbers to try and prove otherwise. Which of course the left loves to do.

Trump took the economy on a slightly better curve than Obama had it on. Not miraculously better as he would claim, but better. If there's one area that he failed in it would be that he allowed the national debt and deficit to increase more than it should have for sure. Nowhere close to Biden obviously but more than it should have.

Some would argue that he hoped that in his second term he would be able to address that better than after the economy had improved but of course covid and he didn't get a second term. And I'm not a million percent sure that it would have given the trajectory, or at least not as much as most people would have hoped.

But he did well. It was a good economy. This foreign relations went very well. From an American point of view he did some good trade deal work, he got a better deal with Canada and Mexico and got better deals with a few other trade partners.

Sorry if it hurts your feelings but to be honest it wasn't a bad time. If you took his actual results and put them in front of somebody without telling them it was trump any reasonable person would look at it and say that that was a good term and that the president did a good job

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2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Everything I stated has already been proven With absolute certainty. You have to lie or twist or cherry picked specific numbers to try and prove otherwise. Which of course the left loves to do.

Actually, myself and others have provided several sources and charts over and over again. You're M.O. is to say "You are lying! I am right!"

 

You have never provided credible sources to back up your arguments. It's like debating with a small petulant child.

Edited November 3, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

Actually, myself and others have provided several sources and charts over and over again. You're M.O. is to say "You are lying! I am right!"

 

You have never provided credible sources to back up your arguments. It's like debating with a small petulant child.

I have in fact. I've gone over it in detail in the past. You're the one claiming it's false, let's see your argument  

Before you walk down this road, you know very well that I generally have researched my topics before I open my mouth. So go do your homework and make sure you're right and can make your argument before we continue.

Then let's see your argument as to why everything I said was wrong

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

 

Before you walk down this road, you know very well that I generally have researched my topics before I open my mouth. So go do your homework and make sure you're right and can make your argument before we continue.

 

Talk is cheap. You need to substantiate your argument with credible sources.