Trump's new ad

[gatomontes99]

 

If you watch that and don't get choked up and don't realize what a horrific mistake Harris would be and what a horrendous mistake it was to elect Joe Biden, you are a heartless, thoughtless, lost sole.

[ironstone]

That is heartbreaking to see. And it's mindboggling that there are so many people on the left that think current border policy is just fine.

[gatomontes99]

Why do these heartless left wing nut job a$$holes not understand or care what they are doing to us?

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

 

If you watch that and don't get choked up and don't realize what a horrific mistake Harris would be and what a horrendous mistake it was to elect Joe Biden, you are a heartless, thoughtless, lost sole.

Another injustice at the hands of Biden and Harris. 

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

That is heartbreaking to see. And it's mindboggling that there are so many people on the left that think current border policy is just fine.

Not if you hate this country. The knuckle draggers probably celebrate all the tragedies. 

[gatomontes99]

On 10/29/2024 at 10:03 AM, Deluge said:

Not if you hate this country. The knuckle draggers probably celebrate all the tragedies. 

They definitely don't defend their heartless policies when you point out the inevitable consequences.

[WestCanMan]

That girl wasn't entirely white, so leftists technically have to care. 

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DO IMMIGRANTS COMMIT MORE CRIME THAN THE NATIVE BORN?

A range of studies by academics and think tanks have shown that immigrants do not commit crime at a higher rate than native-born Americans.

A more limited universe of studies specifically examine criminality among immigrants in the U.S. illegally but also find that they do not commit crimes at a higher rate.

A selection of recent research:

"Immigration and Crime: Assessing a Contentious Issue,, opens new tab" by Charis Kubrin, a criminology professor at the University of California, Irvine, and Graham Ousey, a sociology professor at William & Mary. The 2018 study was published in the peer-reviewed Annual Review of Criminology.

 

• A meta-analysis of more than fifty studies on the link between immigration and crime between 1994 and 2014 found there was no significant relationship between the two.

• The researchers subsequently studied all aspects of the issue in a book, opens new tab published last year that came to similar results.

"Law-Abiding Immigrants: The Incarceration Gap Between Immigrants and the US-born, 1870–2020,, opens new tab" by Ran Abramitzky, economics professor at Stanford University and four other researchers. The 2024 working paper was published by the National Bureau of Economic Research.

• The study, which used U.S. Census data, found immigrants had lower incarceration rates than the U.S.-born over a 150-year period.

"Comparing crime rates between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born US citizens in Texas,, opens new tab" by Michael Light, sociology professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and two other researchers. The 2020 study was published in the peer-reviewed Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

• The report, which used data from the Texas Department of Public Safety between 2012-2018, found a lower felony arrest rate for immigrants in the U.S. illegally compared to legal immigrants and native-born U.S. citizens and no evidence of increasing criminality among immigrants.

• Light published a study, opens new tab in 2017 that found illegal immigration does not increase violent crime. The study used data from all 50 U.S. states and Washington, D.C., from 1990-2014. A separate study found, opens new tab no link between increased illegal immigration and drunk-driving deaths.

Cato Institute research, opens new tab by Alex Nowrasteh and others

• The libertarian think tank has published multiple, opens new tab reports, opens new tab that show immigrants in the country commit crimes at lower rates than the native-born. In a recent USA Today op-ed, opens new tab, Nowrasteh previewed new research that found immigrants in the U.S. illegally in Texas were about 26% less likely to be convicted of homicide than native-born Americans from 2013-2022.

 

source; https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-focuses-migrants-crime-here-is-what-research-shows-2024-04-11/

 

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SO illegal immigrants are no more likely than the average American to commit crime. I know that Trump has a history of approaching grieving families, trying to exploit them for political purposes. I still recall the murder of Mollie Tibbetts in 2018. Trump tried to make her death political, but the family was having none of it.  There is no low that Trump will not stoop to, for political gain.

Edited October 30, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Deluge]

3 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

DO IMMIGRANTS COMMIT MORE CRIME THAN THE NATIVE BORN?

A range of studies by academics and think tanks have shown that immigrants do not commit crime at a higher rate than native-born Americans.

A more limited universe of studies specifically examine criminality among immigrants in the U.S. illegally but also find that they do not commit crimes at a higher rate.

A selection of recent research:

"Immigration and Crime: Assessing a Contentious Issue,, opens new tab" by Charis Kubrin, a criminology professor at the University of California, Irvine, and Graham Ousey, a sociology professor at William & Mary. The 2018 study was published in the peer-reviewed Annual Review of Criminology.

 

• A meta-analysis of more than fifty studies on the link between immigration and crime between 1994 and 2014 found there was no significant relationship between the two.

• The researchers subsequently studied all aspects of the issue in a book, opens new tab published last year that came to similar results.

"Law-Abiding Immigrants: The Incarceration Gap Between Immigrants and the US-born, 1870–2020,, opens new tab" by Ran Abramitzky, economics professor at Stanford University and four other researchers. The 2024 working paper was published by the National Bureau of Economic Research.

• The study, which used U.S. Census data, found immigrants had lower incarceration rates than the U.S.-born over a 150-year period.

"Comparing crime rates between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born US citizens in Texas,, opens new tab" by Michael Light, sociology professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and two other researchers. The 2020 study was published in the peer-reviewed Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

• The report, which used data from the Texas Department of Public Safety between 2012-2018, found a lower felony arrest rate for immigrants in the U.S. illegally compared to legal immigrants and native-born U.S. citizens and no evidence of increasing criminality among immigrants.

• Light published a study, opens new tab in 2017 that found illegal immigration does not increase violent crime. The study used data from all 50 U.S. states and Washington, D.C., from 1990-2014. A separate study found, opens new tab no link between increased illegal immigration and drunk-driving deaths.

Cato Institute research, opens new tab by Alex Nowrasteh and others

• The libertarian think tank has published multiple, opens new tab reports, opens new tab that show immigrants in the country commit crimes at lower rates than the native-born. In a recent USA Today op-ed, opens new tab, Nowrasteh previewed new research that found immigrants in the U.S. illegally in Texas were about 26% less likely to be convicted of homicide than native-born Americans from 2013-2022.

 

source; https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-focuses-migrants-crime-here-is-what-research-shows-2024-04-11/

 

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SO illegal immigrants are no more likely than the average American to commit crime. I know that Trump has a history of approaching grieving families, trying to exploit them for political purposes. I still recall the murder of Mollie Tibbetts in 2018. Trump tried to make her death political, but the family was having none of it.  There is no low that Trump will not stoop to, for political gain.

That question is as stupid as it is invalid.

The real issue is illegal aliens - they commit a crime the second they cross the border illegally, so right out the gates they turn into criminal invaders. 

So what's the solution? Well, since Americans generally don't want ICE kicking doors down across the country, the best thing to do is to deport their asses when they're caught breaking the law. 

But deportation is only part of the solution. We must finish the wall, strengthen border security, and escort their asses OUT of the country, not INTO the country, when they are apprehended. 

[gatomontes99]

20 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

DO IMMIGRANTS COMMIT MORE CRIME THAN THE NATIVE BORN?

A range of studies by academics and think tanks have shown that immigrants do not commit crime at a higher rate than native-born Americans.

A more limited universe of studies specifically examine criminality among immigrants in the U.S. illegally but also find that they do not commit crimes at a higher rate.

A selection of recent research:

"Immigration and Crime: Assessing a Contentious Issue,, opens new tab" by Charis Kubrin, a criminology professor at the University of California, Irvine, and Graham Ousey, a sociology professor at William & Mary. The 2018 study was published in the peer-reviewed Annual Review of Criminology.

 

• A meta-analysis of more than fifty studies on the link between immigration and crime between 1994 and 2014 found there was no significant relationship between the two.

• The researchers subsequently studied all aspects of the issue in a book, opens new tab published last year that came to similar results.

"Law-Abiding Immigrants: The Incarceration Gap Between Immigrants and the US-born, 1870–2020,, opens new tab" by Ran Abramitzky, economics professor at Stanford University and four other researchers. The 2024 working paper was published by the National Bureau of Economic Research.

• The study, which used U.S. Census data, found immigrants had lower incarceration rates than the U.S.-born over a 150-year period.

"Comparing crime rates between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born US citizens in Texas,, opens new tab" by Michael Light, sociology professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and two other researchers. The 2020 study was published in the peer-reviewed Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

• The report, which used data from the Texas Department of Public Safety between 2012-2018, found a lower felony arrest rate for immigrants in the U.S. illegally compared to legal immigrants and native-born U.S. citizens and no evidence of increasing criminality among immigrants.

• Light published a study, opens new tab in 2017 that found illegal immigration does not increase violent crime. The study used data from all 50 U.S. states and Washington, D.C., from 1990-2014. A separate study found, opens new tab no link between increased illegal immigration and drunk-driving deaths.

Cato Institute research, opens new tab by Alex Nowrasteh and others

• The libertarian think tank has published multiple, opens new tab reports, opens new tab that show immigrants in the country commit crimes at lower rates than the native-born. In a recent USA Today op-ed, opens new tab, Nowrasteh previewed new research that found immigrants in the U.S. illegally in Texas were about 26% less likely to be convicted of homicide than native-born Americans from 2013-2022.

 

source; https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-focuses-migrants-crime-here-is-what-research-shows-2024-04-11/

 

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SO illegal immigrants are no more likely than the average American to commit crime. I know that Trump has a history of approaching grieving families, trying to exploit them for political purposes. I still recall the murder of Mollie Tibbetts in 2018. Trump tried to make her death political, but the family was having none of it.  There is no low that Trump will not stoop to, for political gain.

Wrong question.

Correct question: Do illegal aliens add to crime? Yes.

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21 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Wrong question.

Correct question: Do illegal aliens add to crime? Yes.

So do legal immigrants from countries outside Mexico, like  countries  where Musk and Murdoch are from.

So do people who have multiple children.

Migrants actually reduce the per capita crime rate, considering they are less like to commit crimes. 

What's your point? 

Edited October 30, 2024 by DUI_Offender

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32 minutes ago, Deluge said:

That question is as stupid as it is invalid.

The real issue is illegal aliens - they commit a crime the second they cross the border illegally, so right out the gates they turn into criminal invaders. 

The vast majority of them do not commit crimes, and take the jobs ordinary Americans will not work at. In fact, Trumps deportation policies will almost certainly lead to a recession in the US, considering that companies will not be able to fill positions. 

[Deluge]

Just now, DUI_Offender said:

The vast majority of them do not commit crimes, 

"them" who, jackass? lol

You people seem to have a problem with making a distinction between aliens and illegal aliens. when you say "the majority of them" who are you referring to? Are you referring to aliens, or illegal aliens? 

[Hodad]

28 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Wrong question.

Correct question: Do illegal aliens add to crime? Yes.

Adding humans adds crime. If we didn't have people we could solve crime entirely. 🙄

So, yes, whether immigrants add to crime disproportionately is the relevant question. And we know that they don't. So all of these crime stories that Trump likes to cynically exploit are just busted-ass cases of misleading vividness. 

[gatomontes99]

25 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

So do legal immigrants from countries outside Mexico, like  countries  where Musk and Murdoch are from.

So do people who have multiple children.

Migrants actually reduce the per capita crime rate, considering they are less like to commit crimes. 

What's your point? 

The point is, your side facilitated in the violation of immigration law that led to the rapes and deaths of women in this country as well as the rape, death and enslavement of men and women that tried to enter this country. Your policies are a humanitarian disaster that is rivaled by only the most vile dictators and fascists to ever walk thos earth and you continue to support it. Why?

14 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Adding humans adds crime. If we didn't have people we could solve crime entirely. 🙄

So, yes, whether immigrants add to crime disproportionately is the relevant question. And we know that they don't. So all of these crime stories that Trump likes to cynically exploit are just busted-ass cases of misleading vividness. 

Same goes for you.

Edited October 30, 2024 by gatomontes99

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6 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

The point is, your side facilitated in the violation of immigration law that led to the rapes and deaths of women in this country as well as the rape, death and enslavement of men and women that tried to enter this country. Your policies are a humanitarian disaster that is rivaled by only the most vile dictators and fascists to ever walk thos earth and you continue to support it. Why?

There is no "side" in this. 

This is the issue with these types of things. You and others fail to comprehend that a 12 year old girl being murdered, as horrible and disgusting as it is, is going to happen. Cases like there happen in Canada every 3-4 years, and we have to accept there are monsters in the World, and do our best to try and prevent it from happening. In your mind, you are making this a political issues, rather that step back and analyse the situation.

Deporting millions of people is not going to do one thing to prevent this. You should check your emotions, and look at facts for once. However, you are making things up, when you say Mexican immigrants are responsible for most of the horrific crimes in the US, since it is not true,

Edited October 30, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[gatomontes99]

11 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

There is no "side" in this. 

This is the issue with these types of things. You and others fail to comprehend that a 12 year old girl being murdered, as horrible and disgusting as it is, is going to happen. Cases like there happen in Canada every 3-4 years, and we have to accept there are monsters in the World, and do our best to try and prevent it from happening. In your mind, you are making this a political issues, rather that step back and analyse the situation.

Deporting millions of people is not going to do one thing to prevent this. You should check your emotions, and look at facts for once. However, you are making things up, when you say Mexican immigrants are responsible for most of the horrific crimes in the US, since it is not true,

Oh bull$hit. Only the left pushes for illegal immigration. Only the left excuses illegal immigration. You can't separate the results of your mess from the policies you advocate.

[Nationalist]

41 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

So do legal immigrants from countries outside Mexico, like  countries  where Musk and Murdoch are from.

So do people who have multiple children.

Migrants actually reduce the per capita crime rate, considering they are less like to commit crimes. 

What's your point? 

His point is, none of those girls would be dead today if the border weren't wide open...

But in true Libbie form...

You hate people so you don't care.

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Just now, gatomontes99 said:

Oh bull$hit. Only the left pushes for illegal immigration. Only the left excuses illegal immigration. You can't separate the results of your mess from the policies you advocate.

Neither party has ever encouraged illegal immigration. 

[Chrissy1979]

1 minute ago, DUI_Offender said:

Neither party has ever encouraged illegal immigration. 

One party really, really likes to kick vulnerable people when they're down though and try to paint them all as rapists and murderers, while condoning the rapes their candidate has committed 

[Hodad]

36 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

The point is, your side facilitated in the violation of immigration law that led to the rapes and deaths of women in this country as well as the rape, death and enslavement of men and women that tried to enter this country. Your policies are a humanitarian disaster that is rivaled by only the most vile dictators and fascists to ever walk thos earth and you continue to support it. Why?

Same goes for you.

This continues to be an very stupid argument--as it was before you added a shocking ignorance of history.

If immigrants don't offend at higher rates then the crimes that do occur are no more "enabled" than any other crimes. It's the sort of reason-free argument that says that since blue cars have accidents, we could reduce traffic fatalities by banning blue cars. 

People--of any--description come with plusses and minuses. They add to productivity, they add to population growth, they add more organ donors, they add to pollution, they add to to traffic congestion, they add to crime. But if they aren't creating disproportionately negative impact then throwing out an example of a crime is misleading vividness. 

 

Here, for example, is a story of an undocumented immigrant saving a boy after an accident. It's a vivid and touching story. The boy wouldn't be alive without the fact of illegal immigration. Should this story then be used to argue that undocumented immigration is good? No, of course not. Because that's not how farking logic works. 

That the problem, you all have a surplus of big feelings but not a speck of logic among you. 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Adding humans adds crime. If we didn't have people we could solve crime entirely. 🙄

So, yes, whether immigrants add to crime disproportionately is the relevant question. And we know that they don't. So all of these crime stories that Trump likes to cynically exploit are just busted-ass cases of misleading vividness. 

This is an absolute lie. 

You people are just evil. 

It is not about proportions of folks lawfully migrating here having more or less crime, the fact that anyone is here ILLEGALLY makes them already a criminal. That aside, the policies you support that doesn't deport people here ILLEGALLY when they are arrested for breaking the law and then let back on the street to rape and murder has nothing to do with proportionality. 

You folks are supporting letting known criminals back on the street because screw ICE and screw deportations must support open borders. 

Evil. 

[robosmith]

On 10/29/2024 at 8:54 AM, ironstone said:

That is heartbreaking to see. And it's mindboggling that there are so many people on the left that think current border policy is just fine.

Why do you care at all about the US border?

I live 30 miles from the Mexican border and it doesn't affect me AT ALL.

[ironstone]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I live 30 miles from the Mexican border and it doesn't affect me AT ALL.

And that's why you personally don't care about it?

And do you have any sympathy for those families that have lost loved one's because they were murdered by illegal immigrants?

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

That question is as stupid as it is invalid.

The real issue is illegal aliens - they commit a crime the second they cross the border illegally, so right out the gates they turn into criminal invaders. 

So what's the solution? Well, since Americans generally don't want ICE kicking doors down across the country, the best thing to do is to deport their asses when they're caught breaking the law. 

But deportation is only part of the solution. We must finish the wall, strengthen border security, and escort their asses OUT of the country, not INTO the country, when they are apprehended. 

^Completely IGNORANT of the LAW governing ASYLUM CLAIMS.

Is seeking asylum legal?

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Yes, seeking asylum is legal. Asylum seekers must be in the U.S. or at a port of entry (an airport or an official land crossing) to request the opportunity to apply for asylum.

"There’s no way to ask for a visa in advance for the purpose of seeking asylum,” says Byrne. “You just have to show up.”