So many hoaxes and conspiracy theories spread by Democrats and their supporters. Why should a rational person take them seriously?

[Black Dog]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

The Democrats are losing and they know it. No they're so panicked that Trump is Hitler again. That's Kamala's closing message...

ORANGEMANBAD!!!

Pathetic...

Dementia Donald is on his shitty social media site ranting and raving about voter fraud and stolen elections, so I think it's obvious who is worried about losing. The internal numbers must be real bad.

[Nationalist]

37 minutes ago, robosmith said:

GENERALS Milley and Kelly are the LATEST ones saying Trump is a FASCIST and they have infinitely MORE credibility than YOU. Duh

Ya...people Trump fired...

[Nationalist]

13 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Dementia Donald is on his shitty social media site ranting and raving about voter fraud and stolen elections, so I think it's obvious who is worried about losing. The internal numbers must be real bad.

Ya...I'm not seeing it. I think the Republicans are gonna shock the hell outta everyone.

[Black Dog]

24 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ya...I'm not seeing it. I think the Republicans are gonna shock the hell outta everyone.

I think you're wishcasting.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Legato said:

That's rookie stuff compared with the Biden/Harris regime.

No one has a list of 30,000+ lies by Harris Duh

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Legato said:

Rational people see them for what they are.

As evidenced by some of the posts in this thread, irrational beings do not realise they are, which in turn exacerbates the irrationality.

Projection. You're TROLLING about yourself.

3 hours ago, Black Dog said:

No but it's highly likely some colluded with them.

Not just "highly likely," documented by the Senate Intel Committee report.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Ya...people Trump fired...

Yeah, Trump fires EVERYONE who won't bend the knee to HIM and maintains loyalty to the Constitution. Duh

But being an IGNORANT Canuck you don't know ANYTHING about that.

[West]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

No one has a list of 30,000+ lies by Harris Duh

How cute. The people who peddled many hoaxes have said Trump "lies"

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

I think you're wishcasting.

We will see.

[BeaverFever]

“Obamacare will require government death panels”

Jewish space lasers 

The government controls hurricanes 

Kovid Konspiracy Kooks

Trump knows more about the military than Americas generals 

Trump knows as much about microbiology and virology as CDC scientists 

Zelenskyy is a Jewish nazi

Biden will make the stock market crash 

Record high stock markets under Biden are irrelevant because stock markets don’t matter 

Trump holding up a hurricane map in national press conference where he had taken a black magic marker to try and redraw draw a different path for the hurricane because he couldn’t admit his tweet had a small error

Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11

Saddam Hussein had WMD that could hit the USA within 45 minutes 

Iraqis will greet invading US troops as liberators and the war will be over in less than 6 months with hardly any US or civilian casualties 

[West]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

GENERALS Milley and Kelly are the LATEST ones saying Trump is a FASCIST and they have infinitely MORE credibility than YOU. Duh

The ones that Mexico paid for....AKA INVISIBLE.  LMAO

The family just thoroughly debunked John Kelley's story. 

Pretty sick to lie about something like that 

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, West said:

The family just thoroughly debunked John Kelley's story. 

What "family"? Trump's? LMAO

2 minutes ago, West said:

Pretty sick to lie about something like that 

You're very sick to believe that.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, West said:

How cute. The people who peddled many hoaxes have said Trump "lies"

That list was compiled BY WAPO, which has a reputation for news far superior to yours

WCM tried to prove one of the 30,000 lies accurate and FAILED. 

[gatomontes99]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Elon Musk has been in regular contact with Putin for two years, says report

Alleged talks between billionaire and Russian president could have enormous security implications
 

 

Elon Musk, the world’s richest man who is now central to Donald Trump’s election campaign, has been in regular contact with Vladimir Putin for the past two years, according to a report in the US.

The Wall Street Journal, citing several in-post and former US, European and Russian officials, reported that the conversations between the two men ranged from the personal to the geopolitical and included a request from the Russian leader not to activate his Starlink satellite internet service over Taiwan as a favour to the Chinese leader and Putin ally, Xi Jinping.

 

The implications of a secret channel of communication between Musk and Putin are enormous for western security. The Tesla tycoon is a key player in the US space programme and has a high-level security clearance. His company SpaceXlaunches US national security satellites, his Starlink satellite communications system is critical to the war in Ukraine, and he runs one of the world’s biggest and most influential social media platforms, X, which has provided a vehicle for Russian disinformation campaigns.

Furthermore, if Trump is elected on 5 November, Musk could play an important part in a new US administration. He has poured his own money into the campaign and made multiple personal appearances at rallies. Trump has suggested Musk could head a government commission on efficiency if he wins.

“This is a story about oligarch capture of the US,” said Fiona Hill, who was the senior director for European and Russian affairs in the Trump White House. She compared the situation in the US now to the heyday of oligarchs in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union.
 

“If people like Musk get Trump re-elected, they’ll expect all kinds of regulatory gifts in their favour,” said Hill, who is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, the chancellor of Durham University and a defence adviser to the UK government.

She added: “He is in a position to command government contracts, potentially with a government position, and there are loads of militaries around the world dependent on his systems, not least Ukraine.”

Earlier this month, the journalist Bob Woodard reported in his new book that Trump himself has had as many as seven private phone calls with Putin since leaving office. Trump has said he will not comment on the reporting but that if he had spoken with Putin it would have been “a smart thing”.

The Wall Street Journal report said the extent of Musk’s contacts with Putin was a closely held secret and even some officials in the Biden White House had been unaware of them.

…

https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2024/oct/25/elon-musk-has-been-in-regular-contact-with-putin-for-two-years-say-reports

 

 

 

 

 

On 10/20/2024 at 8:27 PM, BeaverFever said:

 

The Very Real Scenario Where Trump Loses and Takes Power Anyway

If Trump overturns the 2024 election, here’s how it could happen.
 

Dozens of interviews with people deeply familiar or involved with the election process point to a clear consensus: Not only could Trump make a second attempt at overturning an election he loses, he and his allies are already laying the groundwork.

….
 

The answer, according to lawmakers, congressional investigators, party operatives, election officials and constitutional law experts, goes something like this:

— He will deepen distrust in the election results by making unsupported or hyperbolic claims of widespread voter fraud and mounting longshot lawsuits challenging enough ballots to flip the outcome in key states.

— He will lean on friendly county and state officials to resist certifying election results — a futile errand that would nevertheless fuel a campaign to put pressure on elected Republican legislators in statehouses and Congress.

— He will call on allies in GOP-controlled swing-state legislatures to appoint “alternate” presidential electors.

— He will rely on congressional Republicans to endorse these alternate electors — or at least reject Democratic electors — when they convene to certify the outcome.

— He will try to ensure Harris is denied 270 votes in the Electoral College, sending the election to the House, where Republicans are likely to have the numbers to choose Trump as the next president.

Some of the necessary ingredients for this extraordinary campaign are in place. Trump has already embarked on a clear mission to stoke as much uncertainty as possible about the results of the election. He claims that the only way he can lose to Harris is if Democrats cheat — despite no evidence that any significant fraud occurred in 2020 or is underway in 2024. Dutiful allies have amplified these messages. And many of the officials who stood in Trump’s path four years ago have been ousted or retired, ceding power to more compliant Trump-aligned successors. 
 

 

…

It’s possible Trump and his allies won’t make a sustained effort to overturn his election defeat. An overwhelming Harris victory would make it harder for Trump to rally Republicans to his side. (If Trump wins, no one expects a comparable effort by Democrats to subvert the election.) But to a person, election observers, elected leaders and some of Trump’s own allies agree on one operating premise: On election night, no matter what the results show, how many votes remain uncounted and how many advisers tell him otherwise, Donald Trump will declare himself the winner.

And from there, he could embark on a risky but plausible challenge to overturn the legitimate election results and install himself in the White House. Here’s how it could happen.
 

Breeding Distrust

What Trump will do first is what he’s already doing: stoking deep, unfounded doubts about the integrity of the election. Trump has spent weeks promoting unsupported claims of mass voter fraud by Democrats, suggesting they’re illegally registering thousands of non-citizens to vote and soliciting unlawful votes from foreigners. He’s also raised doubts about the Postal Service’s ability to process mail ballots, even as he’s worked to reverse Democrats’ edge in the format…

…

 

Pressuring County and State Election Boards

…

In 2020, Trump leaned on state and county election officials, pressuring them to refuse to certify the results. He personally called officials in Arizona, Georgia and Michigan but made little headway.

Since that failed attempt, Trump allies have won seats on county and state election boards across the swing states likely to decide the 2024 contest. He recently identified by name three members of the Georgia State Elections Board at a rally, calling them “pitbulls” fighting for his “victory.” (In recent weeks, the board adopted a slew of changes to election procedures that state officials warned could wreak havoc on the counting of votes on Election Day, including requiring poll workers to hand-count ballots within hours of the polls closing. Democrats are suing to block some of those policies, and earlier this week, a state judge struck down the changes as unconstitutional.)

In this new atmosphere, it’s easy to envision a perilous scenario:

A key swing state takes several days to finish counting votes. Harris edges Trump by a few thousand ballots, appearing to clinch the election. Trump then blankets the state with ads exhorting officials to “stop the steal,” sends top allies to rail daily outside counting facilities about a crooked process, files a blizzard of litigation urging judges to throw out ballots being counted after Election Day and spreads claims that the vote was swung by non-citizens. Threats rain down on election officials and vote counters, with protests driving up the local and national temperature. Then, Trump allies on a handful of county election boards resist certification, threatening to disenfranchise thousands of voters and disrupt the state’s effort to finalize an accurate count.…

…

 

The Role of Lawsuits

…

 

In 2020, as the Trump campaign’s lawsuits failed or stalled, he increasingly pinned his hopes on fringe lawyers who mounted improbable, easily refuted claims of fraud — a bid to keep his election hopes alive months after Election Day.

In those cases, the points won or lost in the courtroom are beside the point. In 2020, as courts turned aside Trump and his allies’ litany of lawsuits, they became fuel for his attacks on the legal system and traditional processes for resolving disputes, further evidence for his supporters that the only path to power was through statehouses and Congress.

…

Convincing Republican-led state legislatures to appoint alternate electors to send to Congress

 

…

The Constitution empowers state legislatures to deliver the electoral votes for their state in whatever manner they choose. And every swing state has, by law, chosen to designate their presidential electors according to the results of the statewide popular vote.

In 2020, however, some Trump allies argued that legislatures have unilateral, incontestable power to change their minds — and could simply claim lack of faith in the results to snatch the decision back for themselves. Conservative attorneys like John Eastman and Kenneth Chesebro, who have both been criminally charged for their roles in the 2020 election process, developed this theory and lobbied for such an outcome. Under their theories, state legislatures would send their own competing slate of electors to Congress — alongside the slates submitted by governors — and urge Congress to choose between them. Trump increasingly leaned on these fringe ideas as his traditional routes to power began to close.

At the time, Republican-led legislatures in six swing states rebuffed Trump’s entreaties, though some showed signs of softening after weeks of pressure. Some of the leaders who resisted him — like Arizona’s then-House Speaker Rusty Bowers — are no longer in office.

In hindsight, the resistance of Republican state legislators may have been the most significant bulwark against Trump’s bid to subvert the election in 2020. After they balked, the Trump campaign assembled informal slates of electors and had them sign paperwork claiming to be the legitimate slate.

Then-Vice President Mike Pence, who presided over Congress’ counting of electoral votes on Jan. 6, 2021, refused to consider those fake slates of electors because they hadn’t been endorsed by a government authority. But a little-noticed memo sent by Pence’s top legal adviser suggested Pence’s choice might have been different — in fact, it may have had to be — if legislatures had endorsed the pro-Trump slates….

 

Presidential electors meet in an atmosphere of threats

 

State election officials across the country say they are already bracing for the possibility of unruly protests and violence at every phase of the election process — but especially when it’s time for the electors to meet. Given the tight deadlines set out in state and federal law to finalize and deliver election results, disruptions that cause state officials or electors to miss key steps in the process could cast a cloud over the results.
…

Civil unrest could have a direct impact on election procedures before Dec. 17 as well. Special counsel Jack Smith’s evidence against Trump included a text conversation between an unnamed Trump campaign aide and an ally inside a Detroit ballot-counting facility. The campaign aide, described as one of Trump’s alleged co-conspirators, encouraged the other to “make them riot” after he was told the scene was a tinderbox. This year, law enforcement at all levels have described unprecedented levels of threats targeting every phase of the process. These days, the Justice Department routinely announces arrests of people sending vile messages to lawmakers, election officials and judges.
 

Persuading a GOP-led Congress to endorse Trump’s electors and spurn Harris’ set

 

Even if they manage to mount challenges, Republicans will not have a chance at overturning the election results unless they have a majority in the House. In the event of a Democratic House takeover, the House would brush aside challenges to Harris’ electors and, if necessary, shoot down alternate slates.

Likewise, if Democrats hold the Senate, they’ll easily approve the slates of electors for Harris. And even if Republicans narrowly take the upper chamber, at least a few key GOP senators seem certain to resist any effort to depart from the state certified results. Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), for example, helped author the Electoral Count Act reforms meant to prevent a repeat of Trump’s 2020 gambit.

But if Republicans retain the House and affirm their grip on key state legislative chambers in the swing states, a slim and dangerous path remains.

Leading up to Jan. 6, Trump and his allies would be engaged in a relentless pressure campaign to convince House GOP lawmakers to block Harris’ victory. The existence of alternate slates of electors sent by Republican-led legislatures would be a tool in their arsenal.

Some Democrats are nervous that even if they narrowly appear to take back the House, enough races could remain locked in recounts or legal protest to ensure that Republicans hold the majority when the new Congress convenes on Jan. 3, 2025.

Though Congress was the target of violence after the 2020 election, federal officials have taken pains to avoid a recurrence. The Biden administration recently labeled the Jan. 6, 2025, session of Congress a “National Special Security Event,” which unlocks resources akin to the Super Bowl or presidential inauguration. Expect the U.S. Capitol to look like a fortress soon after Election Day.

…

The final move to seize power at the joint session of Congress

 

…It begins with whoever is the speaker of the House. Though Rep. Mike Johnson holds the job today, he’s no lock to win renewed support from his restive Republican conference. Trump would once again likely play kingmaker, with the power to extract promises for his endorsement. In a scenario in which Trump is still challenging the election, a commitment to side with him during the Jan. 6 session of Congress would be at the top of his list.

…

 

If Johnson believes, like Eastman, that the laws governing the joint session are unconstitutional, he could assert unprecedented authority to affect the process — all under the guise of following the Constitution. That could include taking steps to ensure that pro-Trump electors embraced by state legislatures get an up-or-down vote, even if they conflict with slates endorsed by governors. It could include permitting hours of floor time to air theories of voter fraud, while holding the presidency in limbo. It could also include lobbying allies to reject pro-Harris electors in order to prevent either candidate from receiving 270 Electoral College votes. And it could also include simply gaveling the House out of session to prevent the joint session from continuing. Each move would likely trigger intense legal battles, putting the courts — and most likely the Supreme Court — in the position of deciding how to resolve unprecedented power plays by the most prominent actors in government.

This phase would mark the culmination of Trump’s ceaseless campaign to cast doubt on any election defeat and lay the groundwork for an alternative reality. After all, Republicans would say, there’s real uncertainty about the outcomes in the swing states, with millions of voters convinced Trump was the rightful winner — the very uncertainty Trump had been stoking all along.
 

….

The House Picks a President

If Republicans, through the speaker’s maneuvering, prevent either candidate from garnering an Electoral College majority, it would trigger what’s known as a contingent election in the House, with each state delegation getting a single vote. Republicans control 26 state delegations to Democrats’ 22, with two others evenly split. The GOP is favored to maintain that advantage, and Republicans would almost certainly choose to elect Trump president.

…

 

Ultimately, a handful of key pieces would have to fall into place to prevent the certification of a Harris victory: It would require a good election night for Republicans and significant complicity among Trump allies at virtually every level of government.

And it would be a brazen display of power that would outstrip the multifaceted gambit of 2020.

“Then you’re really getting into the realm of lawlessness,” said Rick Hasen, an election law expert at UCLA. “If people are going to be willing to just ignore the law and declare someone the winner, then you’re talking about a real coup.”
 

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/10/20/trump-overturn-2024-election-plan-00184103?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic%2Fu.s.politics

 

On 10/21/2024 at 3:06 PM, Aristides said:

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/musk-election-giveaways-legal-questions-1.7357898

This from the people who thought handing out bottled water to people lined up for the polling places was election interference.

 

[West]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

 

 

 

They are whacked 

[Goddess]

Will we ever find out who left the eight ball in the West Wing?

[gatomontes99]

31 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Will we ever find out who left the eight ball in the West Wing?

One rumor is a Harris staffer left it for her.

Another rumor is that Ashley Biden left it there while she was visiting.

Of course, there is the Hubter rumor.

Maybe we will find out after Trump wins.

[West]

13 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

One rumor is a Harris staffer left it for her.

Another rumor is that Ashley Biden left it there while she was visiting.

Of course, there is the Hubter rumor.

Maybe we will find out after Trump wins.

That and the declassification of the JFK files are two reasons to vote Donnie 

[Five of swords]

On 10/24/2024 at 11:14 PM, West said:

Serious question. Why should Democrats be taken seriously with how many conspiracy theories end up getting debunked over time? 

You should take them seriously because they have more power than you. After all, I have heard that they control the weather. 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Five of swords said:

You should take them seriously because they have more power than you. After all, I have heard that they control the weather. 

Dude...

https://www.livescience.com/geoengineering-the-weather?origin=serp_auto

Please...

[West]

16 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Dude...

https://www.livescience.com/geoengineering-the-weather?origin=serp_auto

Please...

I would not be surprised to see superpowers develop the technology to control mass flooding etc as a new form of warfare if they haven't done so already..

There's likely a reason why the US has invested so much money into space force under DOD

Edited October 26, 2024 by West

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, West said:

I would not be surprised to see superpowers develop the technology to control mass flooding etc as a new form of warfare if they haven't done so already..

There's likely a reason why the US has invested so much money into space force under DOD

A few weeks ago REDACTED had a guy on who explained all about and how it is done. Check into it.

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Dude...

https://www.livescience.com/geoengineering-the-weather?origin=serp_auto

Please...

So.. you agree then.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Five of swords said:

So.. you agree then.

I agree that we've discovered ways to effect the weather...yes.

[Five of swords]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I agree that we've discovered ways to effect the weather...yes.

Okay...then reread my post and figure out a way to disagree with it, if you are so eager to disagree with me