National day care program, looking like another mismanaged social program

[Army Guy]

Looks like another Liberal touted trophy program is starting to burn, as mismanagement is turning the entire program into ash...Operators arte now scrambling for answers or face closure... This is what happens to new social programs when Federal government who has had their photo op and 10 mins in the press, then forget the whole thing...I wonder how our new dental program, or kids lunch program if they are going to suffer the same fate... What is it going to take to get Liberals/ NDP voters to see the light, who's parties are nothing more than liars, scammers, who don't give a rats ass about you or me, they just want that gold plated pension, and to feed at the trough.... 

Matthew Lau: Government-run daycare is a disaster. Is anyone surprised?

[paradox34]

Am I surprised the the program is a failure .... no. What surprises me is that so few voters will acknowledge that it is government policies that created the need for 2 earner families and child support programs to begin with yet repeatedly vote liberal!

[Michael Hardner]

34 minutes ago, paradox34 said:

Am I surprised the the program is a failure .... no. What surprises me is that so few voters will acknowledge that it is government policies that created the need for 2 earner families and child support programs to begin with yet repeatedly vote liberal!

Two things:

What are you talking about... women working came as a result of government policies?

And the daycare mess in Ontario is at Ford's feet...

22 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Looks like another Liberal touted trophy program is starting to burn, as mismanagement is turning the entire program into ash...Operators arte now scrambling for answers or face closure... This is what happens to new social programs when Federal government who has had their photo op and 10 mins in the press, then forget the whole thing...I wonder how our new dental program, or kids lunch program if they are going to suffer the same fate... What is it going to take to get Liberals/ NDP voters to see the light, who's parties are nothing more than liars, scammers, who don't give a rats ass about you or me, they just want that gold plated pension, and to feed at the trough.... 

Matthew Lau: Government-run daycare is a disaster. Is anyone surprised?

Ford told our daycare that they were in n the program... Now they have to lay off workers somehow...

[eyeball]

39 minutes ago, paradox34 said:

Am I surprised the the program is a failure .... no. What surprises me is that so few voters will acknowledge that it is government policies that created the need for 2 earner families and child support programs to begin with yet repeatedly vote liberal!

The need for two earner families started decades ago when the top 1% decided to reduce the share of capital gains being realized by the workforce.

Then they shipped the manufacturing base to developing countries to escape lazy overpaid workers here.

Conservative sycophants have always cheered this on because it apparently feeds their weird sense of vindication and propensity to blame the left.

But yeah, voting Liberal hasn't helped a bit - the gap between the 1% and everyone else has never slowed down on their watch either.

 

 

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Two things:

What are you talking about... women working came as a result of government policies?

And the daycare mess in Ontario is at Ford's feet...

Ford told our daycare that they were in n the program... Now they have to lay off workers somehow...

First off, the 10 dollar a day care is a federal program with provincial assistance, both levels of government are responsible for it's operation....This was a Federal liberal government championed project, that seen Provincial ties to run it....Feds have been hoisted this program as a success... Not much of a success if child care facilities are opting out is it...for both liberal/NDP government and fords...this is not just laid at ford's feet....Federal idea, get someone to sign on to it then walk away, with no responsibility, come on...and then take credit for the entire program....

Its a failure because 10 dollars a day is not enough to cover expenses....it need more funding , like every other federal Social program///

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ome child-care centres have already exited the government’s $10-per-day program and, with increasing government interference in their operations, dozens more across Ontario are said to be exploring the possibility.

 

[herbie]

But let's continually ridicule any alternative that actually would benefit working people.
Back in the days when progressive wasn't a dirt word, Mulroney was talking daycare problems and possible solutions. Here 40 years later, some total buttheads are dismissing solutions as if they were a waste.

Hell we were shelling out $800 a month for daycare back in the mid 1980s and envying our DINK friends. Took both of us working union jobs back then to raise 2 kids, and all we got was a tax write off for daycare. How in hell would someone making $1000 a month then afford $400 for daycare and survive? Shit, I won a $50 scratch back then and it took two of us to the Keg for dinner & drinks.
Here we got people who still think it's 1957 and Dagwood goes off to work while Blondie stays home and raises the kids.

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

But let's continually ridicule any alternative that actually would benefit working people.
Back in the days when progressive wasn't a dirt word, Mulroney was talking daycare problems and possible solutions. Here 40 years later, some total buttheads are dismissing solutions as if they were a waste.

Hell we were shelling out $800 a month for daycare back in the mid 1980s and envying our DINK friends. Took both of us working union jobs back then to raise 2 kids, and all we got was a tax write off for daycare. How in hell would someone making $1000 a month then afford $400 for daycare and survive? Shit, I won a $50 scratch back then and it took two of us to the Keg for dinner & drinks.
Here we got people who still think it's 1957 and Dagwood goes off to work while Blondie stays home and raises the kids.

Herbie all you have to do is look around at all the already existing social programs, look at the condition they are in, and they all have one thing in common, lack of funding and Policies that are not conducive to good management...Instead of taking this new source of funding, (more debt) and fix the existing programs...take health care, where i don't know about BC but here in NB 3 people have died in the waiting rooms in the last 2 years....Premiers have begged for more funding and as a distraction we have several new social programs that are good ideas, but they are distractions , underfunded and will eventually become like our health care system....in crises mode....not sure why you can't see that, or even acknowledge it...we don't need New PROGRAMS WE NEED THE OLD ONES FIXED FIRST...I'd much rather have to wait 12 hours to see someone at the emergency room , and still be alive at the end of the day, than have day care or dental care for that matter....Day care is a good idea just no right now while everything around us is on fire...

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Herbie all you have to do is look around at all the already existing social programs, look at the condition they are in, and they all have one thing in common, lack of funding and Policies that are not conducive to good management. 

There's absolutely NO arguing that.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Here we got people who still think it's 1957 and Dagwood goes off to work while Blondie stays home and raises the kids.

If the Bumstead's kids and grandkids share of capital gains had remained the same as grandpa Dagwood's was earning in 1957 their households would have realized something like a $1000 more per month, every month, going back to when the 1% decided enough was enough.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Day care is a good idea just no right now while everything around us is on fire...

Why not put out the fire? With either a  much bigger share of the capital gains of our economy for the vast majority of working people or much higher taxes on the capital gains being suctioned off to Elysium by the very top percentile.

[Nefarious Banana]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

Took both of us working union jobs back then to raise 2 kids, and all we got was a tax write off for daycare. How in hell would someone making $1000 a month then afford $400 for daycare and survive? 

Guessing you never read the memo . . . . . 'You'll never make any 'real' money working as a union member.'

[herbie]

Your home is a principal residence, not subject to any capital gains tax.
Should the start letting you deduct mortgage payments, it most likely will be. We (the estate) did get dinged selling the family cabin.

You are correct though as when my Dad sold the family home someone said he should've waited a year and got way more.
He answered that he made over $10,000 a year raising a family and using the house for 50 years.

That's why you BUY a home, not rent. They're not disposable items like cars or appliances. They're expected to go up in value.

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Herbie all you have to do is look around at all the already existing social programs, look at the condition they are in, and they all have one thing in common, lack of funding and Policies that are not conducive to good management

You just made a good argument for a UBI. One program to manage, one Ministry to oversee.

[Michael Hardner]

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

If the Bumstead's kids and grandkids share of capital gains had remained the same as grandpa Dagwood's was earning in 1957 their households would have realized something like a $1000 more per month, every month, going back to when the 1% decided enough was enough.

There was a brief time when the two income family could make an astronomical sum. 

I knew a couple in IT, in who ended up moving next door to the president of their company. The difference? The president's wife was a homemaker. This was many decades ago.

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

Why not put out the fire? With either a  much bigger share of the capital gains of our economy for the vast majority of working people or much higher taxes on the capital gains being suctioned off to Elysium by the very top percentile.

Governments are very concerned about helping investors, and attracting investment. 

Not about increasing the wages of the people who vote for them.

[Army Guy]

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

Why not put out the fire? With either a  much bigger share of the capital gains of our economy for the vast majority of working people or much higher taxes on the capital gains being suctioned off to Elysium by the very top percentile.

why not is a good question, it is much easier to distract Canadians than to actually fix what is broken...all the government has to do is yell squirrel...you can laugh but just look at the results, of these new programs...they look good from afar but get into the details and they are already broken before they even start...

Capital gains taxes does not work for everyone, like those that do not have pensions, IE Doctors, nurses, etc... and lets be honest the rich can afford to pay people to hide their income, they just move it off shore, or into loop holes....taking that money out of canada, is not what we want. 

[eyeball]

53 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

lets be honest the rich can afford to pay people to hide their income, they just move it off shore, or into loop holes....taking that money out of canada, is not what we want. 

God you're so woke. Better late than never I suppose.

Definitely too late though, decades too late.

[herbie]

DINKs really could bank money back in then. A coworker and his wife managed to squirrel away down payments for half a dozen Lower Mainland homes during the 4 ears we worked together. They converted some into daycares to earn even more, used their handyman skills to remodel and flip a couple and used up their capital gains exemption on their first flip.
Our best friends were DINK teacher-carpenter/legal secretary who'd live in and remodel homes then flip them to be exempt. Scored big when they got one NewWest home declared a heritage site ans sold that.
Another couple bought a sailboat and later used an inheritance to buy an apartment building in the Island. Sold both a couple years ago and are quite comfy in retirement.

I'm ok with a capital gains tax, had to pay it a couple times. But I think if they want to raise it, raise it on over $500,000. It's decades later and inflation over the years. Just as I feel the personal exemption on income tax should be at least $25,000

[eyeball]

I like the idea of taxing consumption to encourage less and not taxing income to encourage more.

[CdnFox]

On 10/22/2024 at 11:19 AM, Michael Hardner said:

What are you talking about... women working came as a result of government policies?

That's actually not as far true from the truth as you might think.

But the tail end of the 60s banks were not allowed to use a woman's income when calculating a couples total mortgage size. It was assumed she would soon quit and begin to raise children.

Naturally women Lobby didn't try to get the government to strike down this rather sexist policy. And they did, and the banks started using women's income as well.

Which meant going into the 70s Couples with two working adults could obtain much larger mortgages which meant they could spend more on housing

Not surprisingly over time this led to increases in housing costs because the market naturally adjusts such that a house costs the maximum amount that people can afford. Obviously initially not every woman decided to go out and work and give up raising children  but over time this began to catch up. They began to have fewer children so that they could work more and eventually that dropped to no children in many cases. And as that progressed housing prices and certain other costs went up as well. The more costs went up, the more women tended to stay in the workforce

In this day and age you pretty much need two incomes to even consider getting into the housing market. Shy of an inheritance it's almost impossible for a single person with an average income to afford a home, never mind a single income family.

Sometimes there are unintended consequences

[taxme]

On 10/21/2024 at 1:02 PM, Army Guy said:

Looks like another Liberal touted trophy program is starting to burn, as mismanagement is turning the entire program into ash...Operators arte now scrambling for answers or face closure... This is what happens to new social programs when Federal government who has had their photo op and 10 mins in the press, then forget the whole thing...I wonder how our new dental program, or kids lunch program if they are going to suffer the same fate... What is it going to take to get Liberals/ NDP voters to see the light, who's parties are nothing more than liars, scammers, who don't give a rats ass about you or me, they just want that gold plated pension, and to feed at the trough.... 

Matthew Lau: Government-run daycare is a disaster. Is anyone surprised?

Well, the imbeciles on Vancouver Island and in Vancouver gave the NDP Marxists pretty much another four more years to wreck the economy of BC. As if there is not enough red tape for somebody wanting to start a new business to have to deal with, they will have to deal with another four more years of new Marxist red tape. Red tape will never end in BC when we have Marxist like governments like the NDP running things in BC. The whole of Vancouver Island has shown that they will never get enough of Marxism. They love their big government, with more taxes, and less freedom to boot. Stoopid bunch of Marxists arse holes. 🤮  

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, taxme said:

Well, the imbeciles on Vancouver Island and in Vancouver gave the NDP Marxists pretty much another four more years to wreck the economy of BC. As if there is not enough red tape for somebody wanting to start a new business to have to deal with, they will have to deal with another four more years of new Marxist red tape. Red tape will never end in BC when we have Marxist like governments like the NDP running things in BC. The whole of Vancouver Island has shown that they will never get enough of Marxism. They love their big government, with more taxes, and less freedom to boot. Stoopid bunch of Marxists arse holes. 🤮  

We will see. I'm not sure it's going to go all that easy for Eby If he's stuck in a 45-45 tie with the conservatives and the greens have two. They're probably going to interfere a great deal with him and to make all kinds of demands that will make it difficult for him to survive. We may see an election within two years and if that's the case

And don't forget, all it takes is for three  people not to be there for suddenly the Conservatives to have a majority in the house for a vote, given a circumstance like that they can call a no confidence vote depending on the circumstances and bring the government down regardless. Which is basically exactly what happened to Joe Clark back in the day. So it is not guaranteed that another four years will be in the cards for the NDP