Why B.C voters should reject Socialism or quasi-Socialism and vote B.C. Conservative

[blackbird]

This is just one reason.  There are many.

"

The Failure of Socialism

The common argument against socialism is that it simply does not work. It is an inefficient system that has destroyed societies and resulted in famine and death. This of course is true.

Socialism’s impossibility results from its lack of a price system. In a free market, prices are subjective and determined by consumers. This results in the mutual exchange of goods and services by buyers and sellers. A socialist government attempts to set the prices of goods and services, but it is unable to set prices that will satisfy supply and demand (and thus socialist governments may look to the prices of capitalist societies). This is known as the socialist calculation problem, which was first introduced by economist Ludwig von Mises in 1920.

In contrast to socialism, quasi-socialism does “work” in a sense because it only ruins part of an economy. For example, the United States economy has been able to survive and even thrive with socialistic programs and a large welfare state. This is because there is still a free market in which businesses can function, and these businesses in turn fund socialistic programs. This is only possible because of increased societal wealth from improved technology and capital goods. In other words, quasi-socialism is only possible because of capitalism.  

Furthermore, even the socialist industries of the United States have not been fully socialistic. For example, even with Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, and heavy government regulations in healthcare, there are still cash-only doctors and private clinics that operate with some freedom. In spite of Social Security, many Americans still have private retirement accounts. And despite the ubiquity of public schools and universities, there are still many private schools and universities that compete for students.

Therefore, there is a need to critique not just socialism but quasi-socialism. There are certainly strong economic arguments against socialism and quasi-socialism. However, I here want to make biblical and theological arguments against these economic systems, particularly because they have become politically popular among some Christians. Socialism is more than impossible or inefficient. Socialism is immoral because it is government-sanctioned theft.

All Forms of Socialism Are Theft

Central to the moral argument against socialism and quasi-socialism is the 8th commandment: 

You shall not steal (Exodus 20:15; Deuteronomy 5:19).

This command teaches the concept of private property and forbids the taking of property from an innocent person. God added to this condemnation of socialism by prohibiting envy in the 10th commandment:

You shall not covet (Exodus 20:17; Deuteronomy 5:21).  

God is a capitalist, which we know because God endorses private property. This is inferred from the 8th commandment. The prohibition of theft assumes that people own things. Of course, everything in this world belongs to God. Yet He has delegated control and responsibility of things to individuals. We call this private property rights.

Everyone understands this concept. No one likes others stealing their belongings, and they therefore do things to prevent theft, such as lock their door at night. It is also the case that every civilized society prohibits theft. People have property rights, and the government should protect such rights.

Yet this all breaks down for many people when the government gets involved. It is wrong for Bob to take a quarter of your income. But if Bob and his friends lobby the government, politicians pass legislation, and the government gives one quarter of your money to Bob, then all is right.

This is exactly how the typical Western welfare state works. The government enacts a variety of taxes (sales tax, income tax, FICA, tariffs, etc.) and then redistributes the money to a variety of classes (the poor, students, elderly, disabled, politically well-connected, etc.). But this is not called “theft” because, well, the government says so. This situation exposes one of the chief flaws of democracy, a system where two wolves and a lamb vote on what to eat for dinner.

Thus, modern societies have made an exception to the 8th commandment—“You shall not steal, except by majority vote.” One person cannot take your stuff, but if enough people vote to take your stuff, then it is “legal.” And if it is legal, then it is morally acceptable.

Christians are enabling this problem by limiting the 8th commandment to individuals instead of societies. However, the 8th commandment provides no such limitation. Groups are made up of individuals, and stealing is still stealing when done by a group."

The Bible Prohibits Socialism — Knowing Scripture

The failing public health care system is a prime example of the failure of quasi-Socialism in B.C. and Canada. 

There are a number of reasons why it is failing and cannot be fixed.

The main reason is because of the horrendous cost that must be born by government through taxes.

Government is under endless, heavy pressure to fund all kinds of social programs, housing, and everything every group demands.  Therefore it must make decisions based on political priorities.  That means public health care is only going to receive as much money as the political system will allow.  Those decisions are made by politicians who must weigh the pressures from the countless other demands for money. 

They seem to have decided that a certain portion of the population cannot have a family doctor for instance.  They can't hide behind any excuses for this situation because they control the purse strings and had the power to do whatever they want to solve the problem, but did not do so.

Secondly, but most important, is the number of people dying on waiting lists.  This is a direct result of a public health care system that has determined the public system will receive x number of dollars and that is all.  They have many other priorities to fund.  If political pressure allows them to do this, then many people will continue to die on waiting lists.  These are preventable deaths.  But the system does not allow them to purchase private health insurance as in many other countries and obtain private care quickly.  That would go against the quasi-Socialist ideology that forbids private care and forbids anybody with the money from purchasing private health insurance.  They must die on some waiting list instead.

Thirdly, a public system or quasi-Socialist system is inherently inefficient because bureaucracy has a natural tendency to grow larger and larger and everything gets bogged down in bureaucracy and union contract demands.

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The common argument against socialism is that it simply does not work. It is an inefficient system that has destroyed societies and resulted in famine and death. This of course is true.

There's a famine in Canada? That simply isn't true.

[herbie]

Stupidest reasoning yet to vote for a traitor to his Party and his constituents, an abject failure to his own riding.
Ranks right up there in dumbness with "My parents escaped from Communist Hungary, so I'll never vote NDP" and "the Socreds let them remove the plimson line on beer glasses so they can short pour, so I'm voting against them"

I don't pay $125 mo. for MSP, my insurance on 2 cars last year was $10 less than it was for one before, I got a handful of rebate cheques in the last 5 years, don't need to pay a toll on the bridge to visit the family, let alone every damn day like they did. The new hospital in my town is almost ready to open and seniors aren't all leaving town because of no doctors, the bozo wants to close supervised injection sites and safe supply so your kid can die from fentanyl too.
In his own riding bugs killed the trees cuz it's no longer cold enough in winter to kill them and we've faced evac notices over forest fires the last 5 years, his former govt removed appurtenance in forestry so timber must be milled where it is cut and all the major mills have shut down. But the dimwit doesn't believe in Climate Change.
He's an anti-vaxxer publicly feuding with Health authorities.
The only new thing in his hometown of shuttered businesses during his tenure is a McDonalds.

1- He wants to remove the Carbon tax and replace it with nothing... and tax breaks for large polluters who voluntarily reduce emissions - no penalty for doing nothing.
2- He's promising up to $3000 a month in tax exemptions for new home buyers, that drive prices up. And extending that to people that earn up to $250,000 a year.
Which will cost billions in tax revenues, but we're supposed to believe they won't result in cuts elsewhere? Not without massive deficits he's condemning the NDP for running!

Now I could go on and on as to why he's not qualified in the least, but you brainwashed imbeciles who think that he is simply because he stole the name Conservative for his band of malcontent rebels he's got to be 'good' just continue in your blind ignorance.

Try a little serious thought about reality instead of endlessly blathering like utter fools about the evils of socialism.
To a province where our "Free Enterprise Govt" was the one that nationalized the electrical grid, the BC railway and the ferries. Because it was best for the people and the province instead of cowering like 1950 McCarthyist chickenshits over socialism.
Try remembering the days of the 1970s when there was still a red you-know-what of socialism in the NDP and they made ICBC and the Agricultural Land Reserve, two things that persist to this day. An just hope that Rustad has the brains not to throw those out too.

 

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

There's a famine in Canada? That simply isn't true.

He appears to mean that in other countries socialistic governments have led to famine and death and that absolutely is true.

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Stupidest reasoning yet to vote for a traitor to his Party and his constituents, an abject failure to his own riding.
Ranks right up there in dumbness with "My parents escaped from Communist Hungary, so I'll never vote NDP" and "the Socreds let them remove the plimson line on beer glasses so they can short pour, so I'm voting against them"

I don't pay $125 mo. for MSP, my insurance on 2 cars last year was $10 less than it was for one before, I got a handful of rebate cheques in the last 5 years, don't need to pay a toll on the bridge to visit the family, let alone every damn day like they did. The new hospital in my town is almost ready to open and seniors aren't all leaving town because of no doctors, the bozo wants to close supervised injection sites and safe supply so your kid can die from fentanyl too.
In his own riding bugs killed the trees cuz it's no longer cold enough in winter to kill them and we've faced evac notices over forest fires the last 5 years, his former govt removed appurtenance in forestry so timber must be milled where it is cut and all the major mills have shut down. But the dimwit doesn't believe in Climate Change.
He's an anti-vaxxer publicly feuding with Health authorities.
The only new thing in his hometown of shuttered businesses during his tenure is a McDonalds.

1- He wants to remove the Carbon tax and replace it with nothing... and tax breaks for large polluters who voluntarily reduce emissions - no penalty for doing nothing.
2- He's promising up to $3000 a month in tax exemptions for new home buyers, that drive prices up. And extending that to people that earn up to $250,000 a year.
Which will cost billions in tax revenues, but we're supposed to believe they won't result in cuts elsewhere? Not without massive deficits he's condemning the NDP for running!

Now I could go on and on as to why he's not qualified in the least, but you brainwashed imbeciles who think that he is simply because he stole the name Conservative for his band of malcontent rebels he's got to be 'good' just continue in your blind ignorance.

Try a little serious thought about reality instead of endlessly blathering like utter fools about the evils of socialism.
To a province where our "Free Enterprise Govt" was the one that nationalized the electrical grid, the BC railway and the ferries. Because it was best for the people and the province instead of cowering like 1950 McCarthyist chickenshits over socialism.
Try remembering the days of the 1970s when there was still a red you-know-what of socialism in the NDP and they made ICBC and the Agricultural Land Reserve, two things that persist to this day. An just hope that Rustad has the brains not to throw those out too.

 

Ooops!  Triggered commie socialist is triggered!    

[Guest]

50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Triggered commie socialist

Translation: "how dare you disagree with me!"

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

This is just one reason.  There are many.

"

The Failure of Socialism

The common argument against socialism is that it simply does not work. It is an inefficient system that has destroyed societies and resulted in famine and death. This of course is true.

Socialism’s impossibility results from its lack of a price system. In a free market, prices are subjective and determined by consumers. This results in the mutual exchange of goods and services by buyers and sellers. A socialist government attempts to set the prices of goods and services, but it is unable to set prices that will satisfy supply and demand (and thus socialist governments may look to the prices of capitalist societies). This is known as the socialist calculation problem, which was first introduced by economist Ludwig von Mises in 1920.

In contrast to socialism, quasi-socialism does “work” in a sense because it only ruins part of an economy. For example, the United States economy has been able to survive and even thrive with socialistic programs and a large welfare state. This is because there is still a free market in which businesses can function, and these businesses in turn fund socialistic programs. This is only possible because of increased societal wealth from improved technology and capital goods. In other words, quasi-socialism is only possible because of capitalism.  

Furthermore, even the socialist industries of the United States have not been fully socialistic. For example, even with Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, and heavy government regulations in healthcare, there are still cash-only doctors and private clinics that operate with some freedom. In spite of Social Security, many Americans still have private retirement accounts. And despite the ubiquity of public schools and universities, there are still many private schools and universities that compete for students.

Therefore, there is a need to critique not just socialism but quasi-socialism. There are certainly strong economic arguments against socialism and quasi-socialism. However, I here want to make biblical and theological arguments against these economic systems, particularly because they have become politically popular among some Christians. Socialism is more than impossible or inefficient. Socialism is immoral because it is government-sanctioned theft.

All Forms of Socialism Are Theft

Central to the moral argument against socialism and quasi-socialism is the 8th commandment: 

You shall not steal (Exodus 20:15; Deuteronomy 5:19).

This command teaches the concept of private property and forbids the taking of property from an innocent person. God added to this condemnation of socialism by prohibiting envy in the 10th commandment:

You shall not covet (Exodus 20:17; Deuteronomy 5:21).  

God is a capitalist, which we know because God endorses private property. This is inferred from the 8th commandment. The prohibition of theft assumes that people own things. Of course, everything in this world belongs to God. Yet He has delegated control and responsibility of things to individuals. We call this private property rights.

Everyone understands this concept. No one likes others stealing their belongings, and they therefore do things to prevent theft, such as lock their door at night. It is also the case that every civilized society prohibits theft. People have property rights, and the government should protect such rights.

Yet this all breaks down for many people when the government gets involved. It is wrong for Bob to take a quarter of your income. But if Bob and his friends lobby the government, politicians pass legislation, and the government gives one quarter of your money to Bob, then all is right.

This is exactly how the typical Western welfare state works. The government enacts a variety of taxes (sales tax, income tax, FICA, tariffs, etc.) and then redistributes the money to a variety of classes (the poor, students, elderly, disabled, politically well-connected, etc.). But this is not called “theft” because, well, the government says so. This situation exposes one of the chief flaws of democracy, a system where two wolves and a lamb vote on what to eat for dinner.

Thus, modern societies have made an exception to the 8th commandment—“You shall not steal, except by majority vote.” One person cannot take your stuff, but if enough people vote to take your stuff, then it is “legal.” And if it is legal, then it is morally acceptable.

Christians are enabling this problem by limiting the 8th commandment to individuals instead of societies. However, the 8th commandment provides no such limitation. Groups are made up of individuals, and stealing is still stealing when done by a group."

The Bible Prohibits Socialism — Knowing Scripture

The failing public health care system is a prime example of the failure of quasi-Socialism in B.C. and Canada. 

There are a number of reasons why it is failing and cannot be fixed.

The main reason is because of the horrendous cost that must be born by government through taxes.

Government is under endless, heavy pressure to fund all kinds of social programs, housing, and everything every group demands.  Therefore it must make decisions based on political priorities.  That means public health care is only going to receive as much money as the political system will allow.  Those decisions are made by politicians who must weigh the pressures from the countless other demands for money. 

They seem to have decided that a certain portion of the population cannot have a family doctor for instance.  They can't hide behind any excuses for this situation because they control the purse strings and had the power to do whatever they want to solve the problem, but did not do so.

Secondly, but most important, is the number of people dying on waiting lists.  This is a direct result of a public health care system that has determined the public system will receive x number of dollars and that is all.  They have many other priorities to fund.  If political pressure allows them to do this, then many people will continue to die on waiting lists.  These are preventable deaths.  But the system does not allow them to purchase private health insurance as in many other countries and obtain private care quickly.  That would go against the quasi-Socialist ideology that forbids private care and forbids anybody with the money from purchasing private health insurance.  They must die on some waiting list instead.

Thirdly, a public system or quasi-Socialist system is inherently inefficient because bureaucracy has a natural tendency to grow larger and larger and everything gets bogged down in bureaucracy and union contract demands.

Socialism only works on very very very very small scales. I mean let's get real, the average family is a socialist structure. The parents work and contribute the most, the kids may contribute what they can but certainly get resources far beyond what they have created, there's a central planning Authority and Central economic planning. And that works when you keeping it to 4 to 6 people or thereabouts

It runs into problems when you try to scale it and it just doesn't work on a national level. 

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it

 

24 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Translation: "how dare you disagree with me!"

Awww - you mad i'm paying attention to someone else little guy?  

🍿🍿🍿 [munch munch] 🍿🍿🍿

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Awww

So, that's a yes.

[CdnFox]

18 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

So, that's a yes.

Sure Kid 😊

🍿🍿🍿 [munch munch] 🍿🍿🍿

[Chrissy1979]

You guys don't even have a clue what socialism is. I bet you believed Polievre when he told you it was Hitler. 😂 

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

You guys don't even have a clue what socialism is. I bet you believed Polievre when he told you it was Hitler. 😂 

Enlighten us. What is real socialism? What countries practice real socialism?

[Chrissy1979]

Hint: Socialists don't kill socialists because they're socialists.

Sadly I haven't time to teach you Political Theory 101. They don't have those courses in Russia?

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

You guys don't even have a clue what socialism is. I bet you believed Polievre when he told you it was Hitler. 😂 

Sure we know.  We just dont' change the definition every 5 minutes to try to cut out some example of where socialism when terribly wrong  

And the fact you would bring it up proves you think Hitler was a socialist and you just don't like it   

[Chrissy1979]

No, I would bring it up to make fun of you for being a gullible, uneducated rube who believes anything he sees on the Internet that makes him feel better about his pathetic incel life. 😂 

[Legato]

3 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

No, I would bring it up to make fun of you for being a gullible, uneducated rube who believes anything he sees on the Internet that makes him feel better about his pathetic incel life. 😂 

You should really wait until the sun dips below the yardarm.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

No, I would bring it up to make fun of you for being a gullible, uneducated rube who believes anything he sees on the Internet that makes him feel better about his pathetic incel life. 😂 

no, that's what you'd say.  But we all know what you MEAN is "DAMMIT THEY"RE RIGHT AND  I HATE THAT SO I"LL PRETEND THEY"RE WRONG BEFORE THEY SAY IT" 

LOL, amusingly lefties like you are easier to read than a teleprompter   must be why all your leaders are reliant on them   

[Chrissy1979]

A teleprompter in English or Russian?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Chrissy1979 said:

A teleprompter in English or Russian?

I'm sure you read both just as fluently.    

[Guest]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

LOL, amusingly lefties like you

There you go again. Disagreement with me, makes you a leftist. 🤡

[herbie]

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Triggered commie socialist is triggered! 

More like mainsplaining to dimbulbs, biatch.

CHrissy's got you dipshits nailed. Hitler tacks it onto their name to steal votes and he's a socialist to every brainwashed pinhead in America, the free enterprise coalition steals the BC Liberal name and so many outsiders think they're liberals they change the name. A malcontent anti-progressive malcontent reject steals the name Conservative and you all think he is.

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

There you go again. Disagreement with me, makes you a leftist. 🤡

Sure thing Kid 😊

🍿🍿🍿 [munch munch] 🍿🍿🍿

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

More like mainsplaining to dimbulbs, biatch.

Don't you have to be a man first?  We may have to wait a while before you can do THAT!

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CHrissy's got you dipshits nailed. 

LOLOLOLOL  - well there you go   your intellect has slipped to the point where you think hypo-chrissy is a knowledgeable poster   I guess that's one way of saying you know you're wrong but want to blame it on someone else  

[Guest]

On 9/29/2024 at 7:09 PM, CdnFox said:

I guess that's one way of saying you know you're wrong but want to blame it on someone else  

Kind of like how you blame all the stupid stuff you get called out on, on leftists. 🤡

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Kind of like how you blame all the stupid stuff you get called out on, on leftists. 🤡

Says the guy who lost a debate with me and manually took the time to delete SEVEN PAGES of all his posts so people wouldn't see it?  

I blame people for what they are and do.  If you're stupid i call you stupid. If you're a leftie i call you a leftie.  You're both soo.....   

But i love that your own stupidity and the fact you couldn't make an intelligent argument and have had to flee from me in terror deleting your posts and your account (apparently)  is now somehow MY fault  

[Guest]

22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I blame people for what they are and do. 

You're a classic narssissist. 🤡

[herbie]

So the founder of Lululemon has a sign in front of his house saying the NDP are communists.
Poor guy has to pay a little more tax and doesn't get the HomeOwner grant for his $9 million home like Grannie does on her trailer.

And now for the latest, Rustad is on about paper straws and will bring back single use plastics.
F***********ck!!!