2.5 Minutes of Dems Explicitly Calling for Violence

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

This is so easy:

“It’s no wonder people are taking to the streets and I support them. We must always defend peaceful protest and peaceful protestors. We should not confuse them with those looting and committing acts of violence, including the shooter who was arrested for murder. And make no mistake, we will not let these vigilantes and extremists derail the path to justice.”

This is so easy....

1. She said that more than two weeks after the bodycam footage of Floyd's arrest was leaked. I.e., she didn't say that until after the G Floyd riots were over AND after she was named Biden's running mate. It's basically a revisionist history speech, dummy. She waited until the 3 years of BLM rioting under Obama were over, and the 4 months of G Floyd rioting were over, and then she suddenly made a distinction between supporting rioters and supporting protesters. So the Dems changed from their pro-riot stance of the past 8 years to a "We want to get elected, so riots have to go on pause for a while" stance and guess what? The riots went away. All it took was for the Dems to stop inciting them and supporting them and they went away for the last 4 years. 
2. long before she said what you quoted there, she pimped a bail fund to help the rioters out of jail so that they could get back on the streets. Or do you think she was bailing out peaceful protesters?  Actions speak louder than words, dummy.

Were you honestly dumb enough to fall for what she did there? Don't be afraid to admit it, almost all Demi supporters were. 

 

I'm pretty sure that everything I just said there just bounced off of your confirmation bias's Iron Dome, so just ruminate on this: by your logic, Trump could come out right now and say "There should be no rioting at capitol hill, ever", and it would count as if he said that to prevent the J6th almost entirely peaceful and joyous celebration of democracy. Do you get it, you stupid piece of crap? 

Edited September 20, 2024 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, User said:

Pointing out you are a coward is just that. 

If annoying is an issue for you... look within. 

Ironically, he's here trying to make the case that conservatives are more violent than leftards, while he is simultaneously telling people to "eat a bullet", or saying "it's cool that people were blinded for attending Trump rallies", saying that "talk of killing the president" and "pushing back on Republican politicians and letting them know that they're not welcome in your communities", is innocuous. 

He's the best ad that the Dems have for birth control 🤣

[WestCanMan]

Don't take it personally, @Black Dummy, we're all just smarter than you 😘

[Venandi]

On 9/18/2024 at 11:54 AM, WestCanMan said:

That's bothsidism unless you can find an awful lot of evidence of conservative leaders calling for assassinations, political violence, and harassment and then ok'ing the fallout.

On top of that you need to find examples of conservatives twisting the Dems' words into serious lies to make Dems seem bigoted, and saying that the Dems are fascists without providing any evidence of it. 

This week we have Dems referencing the attack on Nancy Pelosi and comparing it actual assassination attempts against Trump, while ignoring the fact that Rand Paul was also attacked, and Steve Scalise and others were shot at the baseball game.

Do you have a video of Trump blaming the assassination of police officers on something that happened 150 years ago?

Do you have a video of some conservatives condoning rioting, looting, burning and the assaults of police officers and citizens?

Do you have videos showing conservatives threatening and harassing Dem officials in public, while Republicans said and did nothing?

And do you have dig up several examples of people talking about assassinating the president and some kind of severed-head effigy that were considered jokes by no less than a Republican president.

 

Can you show me similar rhetoric/acceptance of violence from the GOP or CPC? I'm honestly not aware of the last time prominent conservative celebrities, athletes or politicians called for assassinations and then Trump/Poilievre called it a joke. 

In the sentence you quoted I was actually referring to the ridiculous rhetoric on this (and other) threads on the subject.

Granted, I may have worded it poorly but that's what I was thinking as I typed it...the effect that inflamed rhetoric can have on the undisciplined mind (for lack of a better word) especially in those who are easily lead and easily goaded into violence in defence of a cause they believe in.

They see themselves as protectors, they can be manipulated and there are deployable techniques to do it... there are even courses in such things

Stay the course if you wish but acknowledge the destination. Turn back prior to PNR or don't, the choice is a simple one but it comes with predictable consequences.

Someone mentioned the need for a collective scare to jolt people back to their senses, I agree... hopefully it occurs prior to PNR

If not.... here's some light reading for the upcoming journey to Crazy Island:

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/having-made-the-case-for-political-violence-american-moral-crusaders-deliver-it

And here's a quote from the link that's worthy of reflection IMO.

In truth, the Manichean language of modern American politics almost seems crafted to drive mentally unbalanced people to find meaning in pursuing the violent defeat of forces they’ve been told will destroy everything they value. Such individuals take up righteous missions in the sordid business of politics.

When people have, or are given cause to fear election outcomes (meaning that they fear being hurt by an election that doesn't go their way) it's a recipe for political violence. 

What the founding fathers might have called "an inducement to war."

Edited September 22, 2024 by Venandi

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, Venandi said:

What the founding fathers might have called "an inducement to war."

It would surprise me if they didn't want civli war. 

[BeaverFever]

The downside to selling hatred as a MAGA commodity

Hatred consumes its host in the end
 

I used to be a Republican. Right out of college, I worked for the legislature, then governor, of a conservative state. Governor Robert Orr, R-Ind.,  was disciplined and kind and his ethics were beyond reproach. Fast forward three decades and time spent among different cultures. After seeing trickle-down up close, and how it benefits wealthy donors but few others, my perspective changed. When I ran for Congress in 2020, it was as a Democrat. 

There’s a wide chasm between policy disagreements and hate, and although my viewpoint evolved over the years, I never hated conservatives. Indiana Republicans, back then, saw political disagreements as healthy conduits to better outcomes. I never heard Orr, or other Republican officials, express hatred for their opponents. They sometimes disparaged them, especially over plans that would leach money from their own pockets, but I never once heard the word "hate," even behind closed doors.

Enter Donald Trump and JD Vance, who package and sell hatred as a national commodity. 
 

…

From the beginning, Trump’s hate-filled rhetoric has been spiked with violence. Reciting a list is like shoveling the walk while it’s still snowing, but last week’s second Trump assassination attempt in as many months sparks a flashback. Trump offered to pay the legal bills of anyone who assaulted his hecklers; suggested peaceful protesters in Lafayette Square be shot; mused that “Second Amendment people” could take out Hillary Clinton; encouraged a violent mob who sought to hang Mike Pence, now calls them “patriots” and “hostages;” and laughed about the vicious hammer attack on Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s elderly husband. Now we have bomb threats in hospitals and elementary schools in Springfield, Ohio after he and Vance falsely claimed that lawful immigrants there are eating their neighbors’ pets. 

From "stand back and stand by" to complimenting "very fine people on both sides" of a Nazi demonstration, Trump’s coded vitriol against judges, prosecutors, poll workers, critics, democrats and his own former staff has led to multiple death threats, and yet he persists.

Trump habitually projects his own criminal impulses onto his opponents, so it’s not a leap that he’s now blaming Democrats’ rhetoric for the assassination attempts. It is apparently irrelevant that both would-be assassins were Republicans with mental health problems: Crooks was a registered Republican; Routh voted for Trump in 2016 then supported Ramaswamy in the last primary. Both had guns, while Trump himself revoked mental health checks for gun owners.

Vance, who is young, has said that Republicans are “hating the right people,” as if hatred is a finite and targeted commodity. How old will he be when he learns that once hatred takes hold, it can’t be contained, directed or controlled? 

Hatred triggers the addiction center of the brain

Hatred becomes a powerful addiction, and Trump’s followers are hooked. Hatred affects dopamine receptor binding such that addiction to hatred is as strong as an addiction to cocaine, except it’s more destructive. A shared addiction to hatred forms a strong social bond because listening to someone spew hatred triggers the same gratifying chemical hit, whereas watching someone else snort cocaine does not. 

Extreme hatred also creates motivational bias, which means adherents can only see evidence that supports their beliefs. At the addictive stage, they are blind to any information that challenges their narrative. That’s why reasoning with a hate-infected person won’t work….

 

 

https://www.salon.com/2024/09/23/the-downside-to-selling-hatred-as-a-maga-commodity/

 

 

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

"very fine people on both sides" of a Nazi demonstration

Context matters. 

And spinning two assassination attempts against Trump as MAGA hatred is a tough sell.

Here's a bit more balance IMO and it comes with a warning that should be heeded:

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/having-made-the-case-for-political-violence-american-moral-crusaders-deliver-it

S

 

Edited September 23, 2024 by Venandi

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

 

Hatred triggers the addiction center of the brain

Hatred becomes a powerful addiction, and Trump’s followers are hooked. Hatred affects dopamine receptor binding such that addiction to hatred is as strong as an addiction to cocaine, except it’s more destructive. A shared addiction to hatred forms a strong social bond because listening to someone spew hatred triggers the same gratifying chemical hit, whereas watching someone else snort cocaine does not. 

Extreme hatred also creates motivational bias, which means adherents can only see evidence that supports their beliefs. At the addictive stage, they are blind to any information that challenges their narrative. That’s why reasoning with a hate-infected person won’t work….

 

 

https://www.salon.com/2024/09/23/the-downside-to-selling-hatred-as-a-maga-commodity/

 

 

This is a very interesting point of conversation. We can really trace this back to Rush Limbaugh. As more and more "conservatives" started mainlining his hate it created a market for Fox News and the entire hard right media bubble. And political campaigns increasingly tapped into it to mine votes. -- Before long we lost our serious conservative opposition. Instead of policy disagreements the table stakes were that liberals hate America and have a secret agenda to destroy the country. 

[Venandi]

28 minutes ago, Hodad said:

This is a very interesting point of conversation.

It becomes even more interesting when applied across the board. 

I'm heartened by the fact people are beginning to see it in their political enemies. But the problem is actually twice as bad as most of these folks think... the other half of the issue is in the mirror.

Edited September 23, 2024 by Venandi

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Hatred triggers the addiction center of the brain

Hatred becomes a powerful addiction, and Trump’s followers are hooked.

Who's hooked to hatred dummy?

The Dems' only political policy of the last 8 years was to lie about Trump and cast aspersions on all things caucasian and conservative. 

DEMS are the ones CONSTANTLY TALKING ABOUT KILLING THE PRESIDENT. 

DEMS are the ones CALLING FOR POLITICAL VIOLENCE AGAINST THEIR OPPONENTS.

DEMS are the ones who CALL VIOLENT RIOTS "mostly peaceful protests".

It was KAMALA HARRIS who was HOPING FOR THE VIOLENT RIOTS TO LAST UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS.

It was CNN AND THE DEMS who were LYING ABOUT M BROWN and G FLOYD TO STOKE RACIAL HATRED AND VIOLENCE AND WHO EVEN HID VIDEO IN ORDER TO INCITE RIOTS.

At the HEIGHT OF RIOTING, it was KAMALA HARRIS AND MICHELLE OBAMA WHO WERE ASKING KIDS TO "STAY ANGRY, FOCUS YOUR ANGER, AND NEVER LET ANYONE TELL YOU TO NOT BE ANGRY", who were PIMPING A BAIL FUND TO GET VIOLENT RIOTERS BACK ON THE STREETS, and who were PROMOTING THE DEFUND POLICE AGENDA. 

You can only sit there running your smug, id10t mouth about things that you wanna pretend are happening, I POSTED VIDEOS OF THE TOP DEMOCRATS IN THE US ACTUALLY INCITING VIOLENCE AND SPEWING ACTUAL MESSAGES OF VIOLENCE AND HATRED. 

If there really are a bunch of hate messages from Trump and other conservatives then why don't you just stop alluding to them all the time and show them to us? Why have we never sen them? Why is it that when you try to allude to them, you're lying? 

FYI Trump never said that "there were very fine people on both sides" about Nazis you dumb pice of shit. That was just a CNN/Demi lie. So what else do you have, stupid?

"Twump referred to immigrants as animals"? Nope, that was another lie by CNN f-tards. 

So, the actual fact of the matter is that WHEN YOU GUYS ARE MAKING YOUR FALSE ACCUSATIONS OF TRUMP OF BEING A HATER, YOU'RE ACTUALLY JUST ENGAGING IN DECEPTION TO FOMENT HATRED AGAINST ANOTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE. 

That is the absolute truth, isn't it stupid.... When you guys are pretending that Trump said something that he didn't say about Charlottesville, and you are pretending that Trump said something that he didn't actually say about immigrants, you are actually just lying for the purpose of fomenting hatred. 

YOU are the only perfect example of the haters that you are talking about, dipshit. You just got hoisted on your own petard AGAIN you f-king dummy. 

I'm beginning to think that the only reason you respond to my threads is that you're a masochist. Are you sitting on tacks right now, and enjoying a bit of self-flagellation you sick puppy? 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Extreme hatred also creates motivational bias, which means adherents can only see evidence that supports their beliefs. At the addictive stage, they are blind to any information that challenges their narrative. That’s why reasoning with a hate-infected person won’t work….

OMG, look at you just stepping on another rake you god-damned dummy. 

Who actually says "MOSTLY PEACEFUL PROTESTS" while cities are still burning.... Who does that, dipshit?????

Who is so f-king blind that they can stand in front of burning buildings and say "mostly peaceful protests"? 

[Legato]

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

It becomes even more interesting when applied across the board. 

I'm heartened by the fact people are beginning to see it in their political enemies. But the problem is actually twice as bad as most of these folks think... the other half of the issue is in the mirror.

Things may get chippy in online forums, but it really isn't a mirror in the general public or the media. I'm not aware of any mainstream media that says Republicans are evil and actively invested in destroying the country because they hate America and hate freedom. That's not what's happening on ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, BBC or CNN. It's just not happening. Even MSNBC, which is the closest parallel to Fox appears to be mostly policy and character criticism. 

Thinking/saying that people are wrong is dramatically different than saying that the political opposition is evil. 

Trump is a singularly bad character, but it's entirely because he's an awful human being and wholly invested in himself, not because he's a Republican. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Who's hooked to hatred dummy?

The Dems' only political policy of the last 8 years was to lie about Trump and cast aspersions on all things caucasian and conservative. 

DEMS are the ones CONSTANTLY TALKING ABOUT KILLING THE PRESIDENT. 

DEMS are the ones CALLING FOR POLITICAL VIOLENCE AGAINST THEIR OPPONENTS.

DEMS are the ones who CALL VIOLENT RIOTS "mostly peaceful protests".

It was KAMALA HARRIS who was HOPING FOR THE VIOLENT RIOTS TO LAST UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS.

It was CNN AND THE DEMS who were LYING ABOUT M BROWN and G FLOYD TO STOKE RACIAL HATRED AND VIOLENCE AND WHO EVEN HID VIDEO IN ORDER TO INCITE RIOTS.

At the HEIGHT OF RIOTING, it was KAMALA HARRIS AND MICHELLE OBAMA WHO WERE ASKING KIDS TO "STAY ANGRY, FOCUS YOUR ANGER, AND NEVER LET ANYONE TELL YOU TO NOT BE ANGRY", who were PIMPING A BAIL FUND TO GET VIOLENT RIOTERS BACK ON THE STREETS, and who were PROMOTING THE DEFUND POLICE AGENDA. 

You can only sit there running your smug, id10t mouth about things that you wanna pretend are happening, I POSTED VIDEOS OF THE TOP DEMOCRATS IN THE US ACTUALLY INCITING VIOLENCE AND SPEWING ACTUAL MESSAGES OF VIOLENCE AND HATRED. 

If there really are a bunch of hate messages from Trump and other conservatives then why don't you just stop alluding to them all the time and show them to us? Why have we never sen them? Why is it that when you try to allude to them, you're lying? 

FYI Trump never said that "there were very fine people on both sides" about Nazis you dumb pice of shit. That was just a CNN/Demi lie. So what else do you have, stupid?

"Twump referred to immigrants as animals"? Nope, that was another lie by CNN f-tards. 

So, the actual fact of the matter is that WHEN YOU GUYS ARE MAKING YOUR FALSE ACCUSATIONS OF TRUMP OF BEING A HATER, YOU'RE ACTUALLY JUST ENGAGING IN DECEPTION TO FOMENT HATRED AGAINST ANOTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE. 

That is the absolute truth, isn't it stupid.... When you guys are pretending that Trump said something that he didn't say about Charlottesville, and you are pretending that Trump said something that he didn't actually say about immigrants, you are actually just lying for the purpose of fomenting hatred. 

YOU are the only perfect example of the haters that you are talking about, dipshit. You just got hoisted on your own petard AGAIN you f-king dummy. 

I'm beginning to think that the only reason you respond to my threads is that you're a masochist. Are you sitting on tacks right now, and enjoying a bit of self-flagellation you sick puppy? 

No sense of irony an no concern for honesty. You just copy and paste your long list of debunked lies over and over again. Boring.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Things may get chippy in online forums, but it really isn't a mirror in the general public or the media. I'm not aware of any mainstream media that says Republicans are evil and actively invested in destroying the country because they hate America and hate freedom.

🤣

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

No sense of irony an no concern for honesty. You just copy and paste your long list of debunked lies over and over again. Boring.

If there was a lie in there you'd be ecstatic to catch me on it, but instead you have to stick to your slander and lie campaign while I just keep posting videos that prove I'm right.

[Hodad]

33 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If there was a lie in there you'd be ecstatic to catch me on it, but instead you have to stick to your slander and lie campaign while I just keep posting videos that prove I'm right.

Dude, you've been "caught," called out and thoroughly debunked on most of those a half-dozen times. You memory-hole it and post the same things the next day and the next and the next. I'm not ecstatic. I'm bored. 

[WestCanMan]

10 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Dude, you've been "caught," called out and thoroughly debunked on most of those a half-dozen times. You memory-hole it and post the same things the next day and the next and the next. I'm not ecstatic. I'm bored. 

Your lies about what's true and what's not true don't change anything, little boy. 

I posted 2.5 minutes of Dems explicitly calling for violence. 

You came here calling names. 

I win, here's the part where you pound sand, dingus. 

[Hodad]

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Your lies about what's true and what's not true don't change anything, little boy. 

I posted 2.5 minutes of Dems explicitly calling for violence. 

You came here calling names. 

I win, here's the part where you pound sand, dingus. 

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, Hodad said:

I post videos proving that what I say is true, you can only post sad little memes 😎

[BeaverFever]

Shots fired into Democratic campaign office in Arizona
 

https://www.axios.com/2024/09/24/arizona-democrat-campaign-office-shot

[User]

On 9/23/2024 at 2:01 PM, Hodad said:

Dude, you've been "caught," called out and thoroughly debunked on most of those a half-dozen times. You memory-hole it and post the same things the next day and the next and the next. I'm not ecstatic. I'm bored. 

Yet, you hide from me... 

[Nationalist]

On 9/20/2024 at 4:41 PM, WestCanMan said:

Don't take it personally, @Black Dummy, we're all just smarter than you 😘

Except robo-dweeb.

[Fluffypants]

14 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Shots fired into Democratic campaign office in Arizona
 

https://www.axios.com/2024/09/24/arizona-democrat-campaign-office-shot

Actually read the article and then get back to me.

Edited September 25, 2024 by Fluffypants

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Shots fired into Democratic campaign office in Arizona
 

https://www.axios.com/2024/09/24/arizona-democrat-campaign-office-shot

It happened at night, dingus, when no one was in the office. 

Chances are it was a Demi like you that shot up their own office, just to create the impression that "both sides do it".