The federal government allows Canada's rail system to cause major damage to Canada.

[Five of swords]

23 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sounds more like state sanctioned terrorism to me. A group of people can just hold an entire country hostage till they get their demands. I don't think so.

They wouldn't let truckers block main trade systems and roots or railways, why should we let these people. If they don't like the wage offered they can work somewhere else. Clothes shop unions should be banned to begin with, the union should have to earn a workers support it shouldn't just be automatic like that.

Then kill them. I don't care. These are your options.

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Then kill them. I don't care. These are your options.

Nooo.. no there are always LOTS of options that don't involve herding people into gas chambers.  You REALLY  need to get your head around that. 

[herbie]

3 hours ago, suds said:

If this is in response to my post, my intent wasn't to assign blame to any one side or the other.

No it wasn't, it was to clarify there was no strike by workers.

And look how fast the govt jumped for its corporate massuhs.
Boy if Trudeau had acted that fast on the stupid convoyers, I might respect him.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Five of swords said:

That's kinda the whole point of a strike. If you don't like the economic damage, then maybe you should consider the demands of the people striking. Or if you don't like that, maybe you could get Chinese people to build the railroad. It isnt like it would be the first time.

"See the latest salaries by department and job title. The average estimated annual salary, including base and bonus, at Canadian National Railway Company is $132,424, or $63 per hour, while the estimated median salary is $130,004, or $62 per hour."

Canadian National Railway Company Salaries | Comparably

They are already making a fortune on the backs of taxpayers..

I don't know anybody that makes that kind of money except perhaps doctors and professionals.

Edited August 23, 2024 by blackbird

[eyeball]

18 minutes ago, blackbird said:

They are already making a fortune on the backs of taxpayers

The Canadian National Railway Company has been privately owned for decades.

What have you got against private companies paying such high wages? Better be careful next thing you know you'll be suggesting we raise their taxes.

I think Beelzebub might be messing with your thinking today.

[blackbird]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The Canadian National Railway Company has been privately owned for decades.

What have you got against private companies paying such high wages? Better be careful next thing you know you'll be suggesting we raise their taxes.

I think Beelzebub might be messing with your thinking today.

Are you not aware the high wages of $62 or $63 an hour or $132,400 a year is passed down to the consumers?   This is more than $10,000 a month.  It is the Canadian public that pays for these high wages through the price of everything that is shipped by railway.  Then you wonder why food prices, home prices, and everything else are so high.  The union and the lunatic NDP think they can hold Canadians hostage for even more.   Give your head a shake.

Edited August 23, 2024 by blackbird

[Five of swords]

24 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Are you not aware the high wages of $62 or $63 an hour or $132,400 a year is passed down to the consumers?   This is more than $10,000 a month.  It is the Canadian public that pays for these high wages through the price of everything that is shipped by railway.  Then you wonder why food prices, home prices, and everything else are so high.  The union and the lunatic NDP think they can hold Canadians hostage for even more.   Give your head a shake.

I'm pretty sure prices would be higher if there were no freight trains.

[eyeball]

11 hours ago, blackbird said:

Are you not aware the high wages of $62 or $63 an hour or $132,400 a year is passed down to the consumers?   This is more than $10,000 a month.  It is the Canadian public that pays for these high wages through the price of everything that is shipped by railway.  Then you wonder why food prices, home prices, and everything else are so high.  The union and the lunatic NDP think they can hold Canadians hostage for even more.   Give your head a shake.

Ok, just tax the snot out of them.

Problem solved.

[ExFlyer]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Ok, just tax the snot out of them.

Problem solved.

How does taxing solve any problem.

I can assure you they are already taxed.

I saw the union president on TV complaining they are pissed that arbitration is announced. He is upset someone will impose resolution. F'n unions!!!

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

How does taxing solve any problem.

I was being facetious. The problem appears to be blackbirds sense of fairness.

[herbie]

So we're still blowing off our scabby mouths that unions and wages are the issue are we?
They have the right to strike, they haven't struck yet and the govt needs to prove it's an Emergency issue before they can legally enforce their ruling.

So the govt can pass new or amended legislation that adds railways to the existing law, and they can add ports too like the dimwits should've done on Day One.

Meanwhile we can contemplate how they jumped at it like 'good n*ggas' when their corporate masters told them to solve things for them.

[eyeball]

It's weird that blackbird is also blowing off the high-paid corporate masters here as well though.

It's dowright woke.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's weird that blackbird is also blowing off the high-paid corporate masters here as well though.

It's dowright woke.

Awww - sounds like the far left here is a little butthurt about the lack of union support  

The right has no corporate masters. The liberals are the ones in the pocket of big corps and always have been. It's VERY conservative to challenge business OR unions who behave questionably. IN this case it's the unions and they're getting sent to arbitration against their will as they should be. 

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, herbie said:

So we're still blowing off our scabby mouths that unions and wages are the issue are we?
They have the right to strike, they haven't struck yet and the govt needs to prove it's an Emergency issue before they can legally enforce their ruling.

So the govt can pass new or amended legislation that adds railways to the existing law, and they can add ports too like the dimwits should've done on Day One.

Meanwhile we can contemplate how they jumped at it like 'good n*ggas' when their corporate masters told them to solve things for them.

It is the unions and wages and the fact they don't like being on 2 hour recall.

Facr is, the median wage is over $130K now and they want more...their union pres said wages are an issue.

As far as working condition, they do nto liek to be on 2 hour recall. Fact is, they are not always on 2 hour recall. they are on a schedule, like police officers and firefighters and others that have a scheduled  recall in thier T&C's. Maybe once a mont for aday.

As for government, they did as they were asked by the unions several weeks ago, they instituted binding arbitration and now the union boss is crying...he got what he asked for.

So really, you are out of line and full of crap

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Facr is, the median wage is over $130K now and they want more...their union pres said wages are an issue.

As far as working condition, they do nto liek to be on 2 hour recall.

I guess this is why we need more immigrants. In the past conservatives cheered when corporations fled for other countries to escape lazy high paid Canadian workers. Now what?

I note Conservatives are being quite silent on this issue 

[ExFlyer]

16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I guess this is why we need more immigrants. In the past conservatives cheered when corporations fled for other countries to escape lazy high paid Canadian workers. Now what?

I note Conservatives are being quite silent on this issue 

Kinda hard for the railroad to flee to another country LOL

Point was that the workers are doing OK. Just wanting more and wondering why the cost of living is going up.

This is not  a political. The government is just doing what was asked of it.

[eyeball]

39 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Kinda hard for the railroad to flee to another country LOL

Hence the need for immigrants. If you can't bring the mountain to Muhammad...

40 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

This is not  a political. The government is just doing what was asked of it.

Or told what to do.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Hence the need for immigrants. If you can't bring the mountain to Muhammad...

Or told what to do.

The union asked for arbitration weeks ago...

[herbie]

Do you know what median means? Do you have details of how they calculated it? Is it the median union wage or of the company?
Why not quote the average wage of a union worker? Sure as f*ck won't be $130K but it's a nice figure to quote so Joe Blow will think a union track worker makes exorbitantly more than he does working at whatever he does.

And even declaring myself a union & NDP supporter, any service that affects the economy of the entire country as a whole (and I mentioned ports too) should already have been addressed by Parliament, tested in Court and implemented long ago. Of this, I'm sure no Liberal or Tory supporter would disagree as would a sizeable amount of even NDP.

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

I guess this is why we need more immigrants. In the past conservatives cheered when corporations fled for other countries to escape lazy high paid Canadian workers. Now what?

I note Conservatives are being quite silent on this issue 

Yeah, I'm sure that's what the voices in your head told you.

Corporations and investment came to Canada faster than ever when the conservatives were in power. In fact corporations never left Canada faster than they arrived in our entire history.... Until your buddy Trudeau got into power. Now thanks to the local left for the first time in Canadian history businesses are leaving faster than they arrived. And as you can see the conservatives are actually quite concerned about it.

The good news for you lefty types is that means they'll be a lot less Employers to evenly exploit those poor working people that you guys are always complaining about. On the other hand, there's going to be a lot less working people too. Everyone will be poor and isn't that what you guys have been striving for all along?

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, herbie said:

And even declaring myself a union & NDP supporter, any service that affects the economy of the entire country as a whole (and I mentioned ports too) should already have been addressed by Parliament, tested in Court and implemented long ago.

I get it that the immediacy of such a widespread affect is important here but why should the immediacy of an adverse affect be the only thing that determines the need for Parliament to be the arbiter of what's fair in the economy?

Lots of workers in Canada now work 2 and sometimes 3 jobs to make ends meet. I notice a lot of what rail workers want is related to working too many shifts and the affect this has on their safety, health and families.

Arbitration probably looks like a pretty good deal to lots of people in today's economy. I think this would sit better with me if what was arbitrated in the case of essential workers set a few standards for employers with workers struggling to make ends meet and just as likely at risk to their safety, health and family.

 

 

Edited August 25, 2024 by eyeball

[ExFlyer]

On 8/22/2024 at 10:03 PM, herbie said:

No it wasn't, it was to clarify there was no strike by workers.

And look how fast the govt jumped for its corporate massuhs.
Boy if Trudeau had acted that fast on the stupid convoyers, I might respect him.

I am very sure the government reaction was not to any corporate structure but to prevent a huge economic catastrophe to the entire country.

It ain't jsut the Via rail that stops but all international import and exports for everything we need and import and everything agricultural that we export.

The shelves would be empty and the cash flow of out exporters would end.  I guess though, had they done nothing, it would have given you a lot of ammunition to crap on the government for not doing nothing? LOL

[Aristides]

What's missing here is that the government itself can't force workers back, they can only refer it to the CIRB with a request. The CIRB determines whether there is justification to force binding arbitration and makes the order. Which is what just happened.

[exPS]

When have you known ANY Canadian government to govern. Some are better than others, but the differences are small.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

What's missing here is that the government itself can't force workers back, they can only refer it to the CIRB with a request. The CIRB determines whether there is justification to force binding arbitration and makes the order. Which is what just happened.

Well.... they COULD if they wanted to of course. They can legislate it.  But in this case they didn't need to.