Republican comrades spreading support for Marxism

[Nationalist]

37 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Absolutely. Every childish insult and dumb name you guys come up with is like a neon sign for normal people that you're not to be taken seriously.

And we'll see if your opinions and wishful thinking pan out the way you're fantasizing.

Normal people? You mean the silly little twits who actually want the border open? The dumb b@stards who actually want more inflation?

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

 

As I've said to you many times now...we didn't start this war...but we will end it.

By impotently waiting away in nursing homes, shouting at the TV, I presume. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

1. All of it. You can deny reality all you like but, it's wildly obvious which side started this crap. 

2. It will not "eradicate" Progressive Socialism. There always has been and always will be ultra-left twits. It will and is eroding this social clap-trap though. Ya see Mike...screaming and shouting down common sense worked for several years. But that song and dance has produced sh1t for the people and it's been long enough now that the public sees the results clearly.

1. I said not all liberals see themselves as being in a culture war.  You think that *I* am a liberal and I don't see myself in one.  You also were quoted as giving up on politics right?  So which part is bullshit?

2. The public is still pretty much split on left/right spectrum and majorities oppose you on major issues.  So now you're saying progressive socialism will continue.  Ok.  What did you mean when said "we will end it" ?  Sorry to fluster you by trying to figure out what you mean...

[Michael Hardner]

Found this... Your take on politics and the culture war that you are part of.

 

I'm not into this war...

[Nationalist]

16 minutes ago, Hodad said:

By impotently waiting away in nursing homes, shouting at the TV, I presume. 

No...by insisting on common sense, strong leadership that is not bent on destroying the nation.

[Matthew]

1 hour ago, User said:

The Biden/Harris campaign has made calling Trump a "dictator" a central theme, and yes, Walz recently even said "fascist"

To answer your original question I think absolutely the answer is yes, that frequent references to fascism in general does risk weakening people's already tenuous perspective of what actual fascism has been and continues to be historically.

Its not an equal comparison though. Trump does mobilize and actively pander to actual fascist-adjacent people and neo-nazi groups and many self-identifying fascists are trump fans. The same is not true of communists attitudes toward Biden or Harris (and vice versa). Nevertheless, the official political rhetoric by democrats very rarely uses fascist comparisons or labeling of Republicans,  while official republican labeling of democrats as some kind of communists is non-stop--rarely any public comment that does not squeeze it in.

Edited August 11, 2024 by Matthew

[Nationalist]

54 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I said not all liberals see themselves as being in a culture war.  You think that *I* am a liberal and I don't see myself in one.  You also were quoted as giving up on politics right?  So which part is bullshit?

2. The public is still pretty much split on left/right spectrum and majorities oppose you on major issues.  So now you're saying progressive socialism will continue.  Ok.  What did you mean when said "we will end it" ?  Sorry to fluster you by trying to figure out what you mean...

1. So what? Libbies lie as a matter of course. They have to in order to try to justify their abject failure. One day they want to defund the police...the next they want to "clarify" that with horseshit. Today's Libbie is not Liberal. They are radicalized dweebs who apparently hate society. And Mike...you are not conservative. We're you, you'd openly oppose all the destructive policies of the Libbies. You have not. Instead you make excuses for them.

2. In France LePen had a commanding lead until the Libbies engaged in what CNN calls "tactical voting". Italy has a conservative government. The German AfD got the second most votes in the last EU election. All over Europe, people are waking up to the damage the Libbies have done. Here in North America, Canada will have a conservative government 1 year from now. The USA is in the midst of a dog fight election. At issue, the flood of illegals allowed into the nation and a shitty economy.

We will end this chickenshit Mike and no amount of attempts by you to distract and confuse will work.

You don't "fluster" me Mike. You amuse me. You obviously possess some intelligence. But you are most certainly no conservative. We're you, you'd want to "conserve" what we know from experience works. Yet you continually make excuses for these insane progressives and their attempts at social engineering.

Edited August 11, 2024 by Nationalist

[User]

48 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm not into this war...

I think you are. 

You routinely like posts by folks in these culture war discussions that are from those on the left. 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, Matthew said:

To answer your original question I think absolutely the answer is yes, that frequent references to fascism in general does risk weakening people's already tenuous perspective of what actual fascism has been and continues to be historically.

See, that was easy. Thank you.

1 hour ago, Matthew said:

Its not an equal comparison though. Trump does mobilize and actively pander to actual fascist-adjacent people and neo-nazi groups and many self-identifying fascists are trump fans. The same is not true of communists attitudes toward Biden or Harris (and vice versa). Nevertheless, the official political rhetoric by democrats very rarely uses fascist comparisons or labeling of Republicans,  while official republican labeling of democrats as some kind of communists is non-stop--rarely any public comment that does not squeeze it in.

No, it likely is not equal. The Democrats have made it a central theme of theirs to claim Trump is a dictator who is a threat to Democracy, far more than Republicans have been making their usual marxism, socialism, communism stuff. 

The Democrats also pander to the far left terrorist sympathizers in their party. You didn't see Harris disagreeing with the Hamas supporting protestors the other day, no, it was just telling them to be quite so they could beat Trump together. 

 

[herbie]

As we all know how Ronald Reagan singlehandedly defeated the Soviet Union that makes everything Marx wrote invalid, incorrect and blasphemous.
Therefore mentioning the rise of the lumpen proletariat and their chosen leader's Cult of Personality is verbotten to those within.

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

1. So what? Libbies lie as a matter of course. They have to in order to try to justify their abject failure. One day they want to defund the police...the next they want to "clarify" that with horseshit. Today's Libbie is not Liberal. They are radicalized dweebs who apparently hate society. And Mike...you are not conservative. We're you, you'd openly oppose all the destructive policies of the Libbies. You have not. Instead you make excuses for them.

2. In France LePen had a commanding lead until the Libbies engaged in what CNN calls "tactical voting". Italy has a conservative government. The German AfD got the second most votes in the last EU election. All over Europe, people are waking up to the damage the Libbies have done. Here in North America, Canada will have a conservative government 1 year from now. The USA is in the midst of a dog fight election. At issue, the flood of illegals allowed into the nation and a shitty economy.

We will end this chickenshit Mike and no amount of attempts by you to distract and confuse will work.

You don't "fluster" me Mike. You amuse me. You obviously possess some intelligence. But you are most certainly no conservative. We're you, you'd want to "conserve" what we know from experience works. Yet you continually make excuses for these insane progressives and their attempts at social engineering.

Sorry I just can't follow this.

 I only said that "not all liberals see themselves as being in a culture war, the way you do."

You had some problem with that... Because liberals didn't reject the charges against Trump.  I said that they could still not see themselves as being in a culture war.

Then came a deluge of points from all over the map.

Said that your side would "end it..." but also socialism WOULDN'T end... also... Differentiated liberals from libbies.... Called me ... not conservative ... Said I make excuses...

All I'm trying to do is understand your points.   

You seem to think I'm the enemy or something when I'm just trying to understand the dog's breakfast of points you keep throwing out.

 

Well, at least I tried.  

[Nationalist]

52 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Sorry I just can't follow this.

 I only said that "not all liberals see themselves as being in a culture war, the way you do."

You had some problem with that... Because liberals didn't reject the charges against Trump.  I said that they could still not see themselves as being in a culture war.

Then came a deluge of points from all over the map.

Said that your side would "end it..." but also socialism WOULDN'T end... also... Differentiated liberals from libbies.... Called me ... not conservative ... Said I make excuses...

All I'm trying to do is understand your points.   

You seem to think I'm the enemy or something when I'm just trying to understand the dog's breakfast of points you keep throwing out.

 

Well, at least I tried.  

 

Ya...tried to avoid my argument. You know what I think Mike. 

[WestCanMan]

19 hours ago, Matthew said:

What happens when you call all of your fairly moderate, centrist, opponents "communist," "socialist" and "Marxist" for decades?

What happens when your whole thread is predicated on a lie, dummy?

No one called "fairly moderate, centrist, opponents" names like communist, socialist, and Marxist.

People like Bernie Sanders are openly socialist.

The BLMers that you and your cultist buddies followed like sheep boasted of being "trained Marxists". 

Tim Walz, from Reuters: "He speaks some Chinese, got married on June 4 - saying it was a date he would not forget because it is the Tiananmen Square massacre anniversary - and honeymooned in China.

 

And what part of "controlling the MSM and social media, the FBI, the DOJ, weaponizing them all against political opponents, and constantly scheming about wrestling undue control of the SC" isn't authoritarain?

If one was an authoritarian, what would they do differently from the Demonrats? 

[Michael Hardner]

Another example @Matthew...

I just posted a purported picture of JD Vance wearing a dress at Yale, where he studied.

 

I sure don't understand kids today, but for sure I don't understand why common people fall for hypocritical moral panics like "drag queens are the problem now".

Our biggest problems are disunity, a top-heavy economy, and the environment.

Throwing scapegoats in front of the camera doesn't fix the latter two issues and makes the first problem worse.  So, like Marxism, baseless rhetoric and panic are all encouraged by the current environment.

But then again, I started the culture wars... 🙄

Edited August 12, 2024 by Michael Hardner

[User]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I sure don't understand kids today, but for sure I don't understand why common people fall for hypocritical moral panics like "drag queens are the problem now".

It helps if you were honest about what the arguments actually are. 

The issue is not Drag Queens. The issue is putting Drag Queens into schools, Draq Queens performing like strippers in scantly clad clothing in front of children... trying to expose children to Drag Queens in an effort to push LGBTQ sexual fetish culture onto them. It is in fact a real culture war, you pretending like it isn't happening doesn't make it any less true. 

No hypocrisy here.

[CdnFox]

20 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Most of the far right posters do not know what Communism or socialism is...

And none on the left  

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Matthew said:

To answer your original question I think absolutely the answer is yes, that frequent references to fascism in general does risk weakening people's already tenuous perspective of what actual fascism has been and continues to be historically.

Its not an equal comparison though. Trump does mobilize and actively pander to actual fascist-adjacent people and neo-nazi groups and many self-identifying fascists are trump fans. The same is not true of communists attitudes toward Biden or Harris (and vice versa). Nevertheless, the official political rhetoric by democrats very rarely uses fascist comparisons or labeling of Republicans,  while official republican labeling of democrats as some kind of communists is non-stop--rarely any public comment that does not squeeze it in.

" Sure we lie too but the difference is WE"RE RIGHT!!!!! "
LOLOL Very convincing  

[robosmith]

13 hours ago, Nationalist said:

The Indian princess, Tampon Tim and Brandon have call Trump all sorts of names.

Trump calls them names.

If you Libbies wanted dignity, you should not have declared war on half the population.

 

It wasn't half the population, it was half of the Trump supporters which were in the basket of deplorables.

Once I was conversing with a self-proclaimed member of that basket, and asked him to specify which type he was as specified by Hillary. He couldn't do it, cause he didn't know to what he was admitting.

Quote

"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? [Laughter/applause]. The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic — you name it.

So which TYPE are YOU?

Pretty sure you're xenophobic. LMAO

13 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No? 

Mike how many Libbies have you seen refute those insane charges against Trump?

ZERO!

Canada is 1 year away from making an about face politically. I pray the USA does the same.

As I've said to you many times now...we didn't start this war...but we will end it.

Only you FASCISTS consider it a war. 🤮

[robosmith]

11 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

And this is why Trump got shot.

No, he got shot cause he incited an angry mob to invade the Capitol and destroy democracy. AKA, a real fascist move. 🤮

10 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

You said they never said it. Then you find out they said it and still can't admit it? OK.

"Semi-fascist" Duh

[robosmith]

9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No...by insisting on common sense, strong leadership that is not bent on destroying the nation.

Then why are you backing Trump? LMAO

[Matthew]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

All I'm trying to do is understand your points.   

Some people just talk out of their ass. Pretending they have some meaningful point is a waste of time. I have yet to witness Nationalist discuss any topic in good faith.

[CdnFox]

33 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Some people just talk out of their ass. Pretending they have some meaningful point is a waste of time. I have yet to witness Nationalist discuss any topic in good faith.

Pot meet kettle.  Kettle, pot. 

 

[Matthew]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

for sure I don't understand why common people fall for hypocritical moral panics

Well yeah I agree that the environment encourages this behavior. My point that I find curious is how certain lines of political attack from politicians actually seems more likely to boost the thing being attacked.

Your idea about drag queens and hypocrisy is a perfect example. I don't know how many republicans actually deeply care about this obsessive gender stuff vs are just using it to mobilize people. In the case of transgender identity, probably most democrats are lukewarm to it, or at least were before Republicans got so involved. The end result of their manifold efforts will absolutely be a massive expansion and normalization of transgender and nonbinary identity in our society, probably beyond what would have naturally occurred in the same span of time. When a minority of outspoken people use overt hateful rhetoric and authoritarian policies to attack marginalized groups, most of society in the long run eventually gets behind those groups.

[Matthew]

9 hours ago, User said:

The Democrats have made it a central theme of theirs to claim Trump is a dictator who is a threat to Democracy

Ok sure, let's assume that's correct. I think that constant right wing use of socialist labeling for many years has ironically helped to normalize socialism in the US, especially in a positive light for about 55-60% of democrats and even for about 15-20% of republicans (based on a 2021 Gallup poll).

So this whataboutism that you're doing--do you think that republicans are similarly growing fonder of dictatorship due to influence from democrats calling trump a wannabe dictaor?

Edited August 12, 2024 by Matthew

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

It wasn't half the population, it was half of the Trump supporters which were in the basket of deplorables.

Once I was conversing with a self-proclaimed member of that basket, and asked him to specify which type he was as specified by Hillary. He couldn't do it, cause he didn't know to what he was admitting.

So which TYPE are YOU?

Pretty sure you're xenophobic. LMAO

Only you FASCISTS consider it a war. 🤮

The type that doesn't cower from confrontation...unlike you apparently. 

Who was it that made vaxx mandates?

Who was it that told media to kill stories and internet posts?

Who is it that is constantly whining about hate speech?

Who is imposing inflation on the public?

Who is flooding the nation with illegals and undesirable?

The real fascist leaning folks I Luke to call...

Libbies.