Yakuda Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 14 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Then God is responsible to clean up His own mess What kind of a$$hole creates evil when they could have chosen not to? Oh don't read with comprehension do you? Maybe its just your anger and hatred that makes it hard for you to read well. 1 1 Quote
herbie Posted October 7, 2024 Report Posted October 7, 2024 (edited) Maybe it is a form of subconcious Talibanism that allows this discussion solely by men, over what women should be 'allowed' to do, to continue for page after page. Edited October 7, 2024 by herbie Quote
User Posted October 8, 2024 Report Posted October 8, 2024 (edited) 21 hours ago, herbie said: Maybe it is a form of subconcious Talibanism that allows this discussion solely by men, over what women should be 'allowed' to do, to continue for page after page. Oh, I see, so if I go quote Pro-Life women to you on this issue, then you will accept the arguments? Also, for this discussion, I identify as a woman. Edited October 8, 2024 by User Quote
August1991 Posted October 16, 2024 Report Posted October 16, 2024 On 9/25/2024 at 4:25 AM, blackbird said: Of course there is good and evil. It is all around you if you open your eyes. The clear evidence of God is also all around you, again if you open your eyes. He created everything. As for talking to God, that was explained in my posting on knowing God. You too can know God if you have read the Bible and receive faith. I will repeat the posting here: .... Disagree about good and evil. When you are praying, you are talking to yourself. Think about that. ===== As to abortion (killing pre-born), I have a different opinion/thought. Why do women bear most of the burden of child-birth? Aside from a 9 month pregnancy, there's also the first several months of child-care. By world standards, Quebec has a relatively generous maternity leave policy but it hardly corrects the imbalance between men and women in child bearing. === A woman surely has some control over her body. I agree with you that the unborn child should have a voice in this matter. But the father? Maybe he should bear some of the costs - on behalf of the kid. Quote
Radiorum Posted November 17, 2024 Report Posted November 17, 2024 So, I am trying to understand the OP’s concepts of good and evil. What are they? Are they forces? Are they entities with agency? Are they nouns or adjectives? Are they convenient – and subjective - judging labels? 1 Quote
Uncle Fred Posted November 28, 2024 Report Posted November 28, 2024 On 8/4/2024 at 1:14 AM, blackbird said: " Satan is laughing at all the gullible women who kill their own baby. deo. Horrors Of Abortion! (jesus-is-savior.com) Satin is not real. Invoking religion, is just like saying "I said so, so it must be right. No further arguments accepted." But there are very real reasons for having an abortion. We used to observe that if men were the ones carrying the fetuses and delivering the babies, we'd have abortion on demand before tomorrow morning. As it turns out nature has put that task upon the women and if the women have to do it, then it only makes sense that they have authority over the process. To be required to something and then have other people making decisons like this requiring you to go through a full pregnancy and delivery, and then taking your baby away from you. It's very hurtful to a woman. A woman wrote a few months back that she heard a male politician who didn't understand how a woman with a tampon could still urinate. Her comment was, "And this {man} is going to be making laws governing my body?!?" Women have to have authority over their pregnancies and access to abortions if they feel they have a need for them. Women are more than baby making factories. Quote
blackbird Posted December 2, 2024 Author Report Posted December 2, 2024 On 11/28/2024 at 11:47 AM, Uncle Fred said: Satin is not real. Invoking religion, is just like saying "I said so, so it must be right. No, it's not because I said so. It's because the Holy Bible says so. God says so. Jesus who is God says so. You have been badly deceived and that is what Satan wants. Of course he doesn't want you to think he exists. If you believed it you might have a different attitude and maybe you just might pay more attention to what God says in his Holy Bible, in English, the King James Version or Authorized Version. Nobody can force you to believe anything. You would have to be willing to do some research and study the KJV Bible to learn the truth. God created man and woman for a reason. One is the creation of human life. "26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." Genesis 1:26-28 KJV God also said "thou shalt not kill". That includes the pre-born babies. Human life is sacred and belong to God. The woman is not god and does not have the right to decide whether a baby should live or die. God determines when life ends, not mankind. You can google and read about the fall of man and understand why man has a corrupt fallen nature and why many think they have the right to kill pre-born babies. It is because of the corrupt fallen nature that was inherited from Adam and Eve after they rebelled against God in the garden of Eden. Everyone is a corrupt fallen sinner and needs to be born again. Read the gospel of John. It is a fact Jesus died for the sins of mankind and was raised from the dead. Quote
blackbird Posted December 3, 2024 Author Report Posted December 3, 2024 (edited) On 11/28/2024 at 11:47 AM, Uncle Fred said: Satin is not real. Invoking religion, is just like saying "I said so, so it must be right. Right and wrong comes from God in his written revelation, in English, the King James Bible or Authorized Version. Do you believe there is such a thing as absolutes that define right and wrong? The source of right and wrong in a civilized society such as the western nations came from Judeo-Christian civilization. The ten commandments given in Exodus in the Bible for instance tells us things like "thou shalt not kill", "thou shalt not steal". These commands teach us that human life is sacred and nobody has the right to take it. They also teach us there is such a thing as private property. We have the right to own things and nobody has the right to steal them from us. There is a basic foundation for man to tell us what is right and wrong. That was not invented by men. It came from God who inspired the prophets and apostles to write the Holy Scriptures. That source has been the Bible for thousands of years. Satan and his demons and those that follow him want to ignore God's written revelation and create anarchy and lawlessness. Edited December 3, 2024 by blackbird Quote
Videospirit Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 Homicide and Murder aren't the same thing. Quote
User Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 11 hours ago, Videospirit said: Homicide and Murder aren't the same thing. Wow, thanks for digging up this thread for this... LOL Quote
TreeBeard Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 (edited) On 8/3/2024 at 9:14 PM, blackbird said: Satan is laughing at all the gullible women who kill their own baby. Pregnancy requires sperm. Eliminate the sperm, you eliminate abortions. With the goal of reducing abortions to zero, Canada should institute mandatory vasectomies to all males when they become sexually mature. The procedure can be reversed only when the man decides to have children with a willing partner. This would drop abortions to near zero in Canada. Edited April 28 by TreeBeard Quote
User Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: Pregnancy requires sperm. Eliminate the sperm, you eliminate abortions. With the goal of reducing abortions to zero, Canada should institute mandatory vasectomies to all males when they become sexually mature. The procedure can be reversed only when the man decides to have children with a willing partner. This would drop abortions to near zero in Canada. So... your big plan, rather than impose abortion restrictions on the far fewer women who want them... is to impose mandatory surgical procedures on all children who are boys? You people will do or say anything absurd or outrageous to support the abortion madness. Even then... what if that "willing partner" changes their mind? Let's say their life conditions change before birth, they are in school, lost their job, or don't want a kid anymore... what is your brilliant plan then? Also, a Vasectomy reversal is not always a sure thing and the longer you go with one, the less likely it is to be reversed successfully. Quote
TreeBeard Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 (edited) 10 minutes ago, User said: impose mandatory surgical procedures on all children who are boys Yes. This would reduce abortions to zero. We know that making abortions illegal doesn’t actually reduce abortions! What’s more important; bodily autonomy or saving babies? Isn’t it worth forcing someone to lose their bodily autonomy to save lives? Edited April 28 by TreeBeard Quote
User Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Yes. This would reduce abortions to zero. We know that making abortions illegal doesn’t actually reduce abortions! What’s more important; bodily autonomy or saving babies? Isn’t it worth forcing someone to lose their bodily autonomy to save lives? No, it would not reduce abortions to zero. Which is why you avoided answering my question: Even then... what if that "willing partner" changes their mind? Let's say their life conditions change before birth, they are in school, lost their job, or don't want a kid anymore... what is your brilliant plan then? Quote
TreeBeard Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 1 minute ago, User said: what if that "willing partner" changes their mind? They go and get the vasectomy redone. It would reduce abortions to practically nothing. Bodily autonomy shouldn’t be more important than saving unborn clumps of cells, am I right? Quote
User Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 Just now, TreeBeard said: They go and get the vasectomy redone. It would reduce abortions to practically nothing. Bodily autonomy shouldn’t be more important than saving unborn clumps of cells, am I right? The vasectomy has nothing to do with someone who is already pregnant changing their mind. You keep avoiding the question and obfuscating because I have revealed the stupidity of your solution. Quote
TreeBeard Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 17 minutes ago, User said: The vasectomy has nothing to do with someone who is already pregnant It would reduce abortions to practically nothing. The odd outlier case is not as important as saving zillions of precious fetuses. 18 minutes ago, User said: You keep avoiding the question and obfuscating because I have revealed the stupidity of your solution. Whats more important; bodily autonomy or saving fetuses? Quote
User Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 1 minute ago, TreeBeard said: It would reduce abortions to practically nothing. The odd outlier case is not as important as saving zillions of precious fetuses. Again... what happens when the pregnant woman changes her mind? The fact that you keep obfuscating and ignoring that reveals the stupidity of your proposal here. Quote
TreeBeard Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 3 minutes ago, User said: Again... what happens when the pregnant woman changes her mind? Charge her and her doctor with murder, if she gets an abortion. You think bodily autonomy is more important than saving babies. You sure you’re Christian? Quote
User Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 1 minute ago, TreeBeard said: Charge her and her doctor with murder, if she gets an abortion. So, why isn't that just the solution to start with? 1 minute ago, TreeBeard said: You think bodily autonomy is more important than saving babies. You sure you’re Christian? No, that is an absurd reduction. Quote
TreeBeard Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 20 minutes ago, User said: So, why isn't that just the solution to start with? 25 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Proven not to work. Abortions still happened even when illegal. I’m a solutions oriented person. Why do you hate the unborn? It’s a simple procedure. Why do you hold their bodily autonomy above the life of babies? Quote
User Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 Just now, TreeBeard said: Proven not to work. Abortions still happened even when illegal. I’m a solutions oriented person. Then why did you just propose it as a solution? Just now, TreeBeard said: Why do you hate the unborn? It’s a simple procedure. Why do you hold their bodily autonomy above the life of babies? First, you are not being a serious person. I don't hate the unborn, you are putting forth absurd positions that do not work, targetted at absurd amounts of people, that would risk their ever having children, and that do not even completely work Quote
TreeBeard Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 15 minutes ago, User said: Then why did you just propose it as a solution? My solution is mandatory vasectomies. You would be all for it if you really cared about saving fetuses. 17 minutes ago, User said: absurd positions that do not work Banning abortions doesn’t work either, but you’re in favour of that. You need to start to love fetuses more and bodily autonomy less if you want to be a good Christian. It would save fetuses. Quote
User Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 15 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: My solution is mandatory vasectomies. You would be all for it if you really cared about saving fetuses. That was not your solution for women who get pregnant changing their minds. 16 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Banning abortions doesn’t work either, but you’re in favour of that. Define work? It would certainly significantly reduce them. And again, that was just your solution as well. Here, or did you already forget you said this: "Charge her and her doctor with murder, if she gets an abortion. " 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: You need to start to love fetuses more and bodily autonomy less if you want to be a good Christian. It would save fetuses. Interesting. So, what is your Christian argument here? What is this doctrine you have and the scripture to support it? Quote
TreeBeard Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 20 minutes ago, User said: Define work? It doesn’t reduce abortions. 21 minutes ago, User said: So, what is your Christian argument here? Save fetuses. Quote
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