Is it Time For Biden's Handlers to End the Ukraine War? Israel War?

[herbie]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Israel is already doing everything humanly possible to minimize civilian casualties while they hunt down Hamas

The usual "facts say otherwise so facts must be lies" response.

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, herbie said:

The usual "facts say otherwise so facts must be lies" response.

Do you know how long it would take Israel to level gaza if they wanted to go brute force, you stupid little muppet? 

It's 25 miles long and 6 miles wide, but most of that is desert. They could have incinerated all of the above-ground dwellings in Gaza months ago if they were targeting civilians, dummy. 

Now ask yourself, "If Gazans had the ability to wipe out all the Jews in Israel, would the casualty rate be at less than 2%"?

No, dumbass, it would be close to 100%. Hamas's stated goal is genocide. 

 

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11 hours ago, User said:

They are dying because Biden has pushed Israel to make this war drag on longer and longer while Biden also has encouraged Hamas to continue fighting while Biden puts most of the pressure on Israel instead of Hamas. 

LOL...

First off, Biden is not in any type of negotiations with Hamas. 

As if Biden has any power to stop what is happening in Gaza. Even if he wanted to make peace, like Obama did, it would be blocked by the house GOP members. Aside from that, Israel is not going to stop anytime soon, especially after losing 1,200+ civilians last year in the worst loss of Jewish lives since the Holocaust.

Edited August 9, 2024 by DUI_Offender

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12 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Sigh...

Remember Bakhmut?

The Ukrainians are proudly marching into another trap. And you dumb fcks don't see it coming.

Meh...

..and all these Russian civilians must be so glad to be leaving their lifelong belongings behind, as they flee in fear of the Ukraine offensive.

 

[User]

10 hours ago, Rebound said:

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to insist on a post war strategy… which takes zero resources while executing the war. And telling them to show plans for minimizing unnecessary casualties is a Geneva Convention anyway.  I don’t see how it’s given Hamas any advantage in this fight.  
 

Biden has stood strongly behind Israel even though he faced political pressure not to. 

Biden has done more than insist on a post war strategy and their assistance came while demanding they halt their war against Hamas until they had one. 

No, Biden has threatened weapons delivery and withheld weapons from Israel, his administration drops leaks of their conversations where Biden is condemning Israel for killing their enemies including our own that was responsible for killing our marines in Beirut... 

You don't see this administration out there saying anything this forceful to Hamas about our own hostages nor do you see Biden out there fighting for our own hostages to be released. 

No, this administration continues to demand a ceasefire and that Israel must be serious about it... 

You sit here saying you support Israel pushing this war for unconditional surrender, but that isn't what this Biden administration is supporting. They want a ceasefire. 

[User]

13 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Sigh...

Remember Bakhmut?

The Ukrainians are proudly marching into another trap. And you dumb fcks don't see it coming.

Meh...

Why... its almost like you are cheering for Russia. That or you have some kind of special knowledge of Russian operations... 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

LOL...

First off, Biden is not in any type of negotiations with Hamas. 

 

He most certainly is.  They're playing an active role negotiating a cease fire, there have been billions of newspaper stories about it.  Yeash 

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As if Biden has any power to stop what is happening in Gaza.

Of course he does. He can and has controlled the flow of arms to israel which affects things greatly, his negotiators can make all kinds of promises to both sides (or threats) and he's got two rather heavily armed carriers off the coast basically leaning against the horse hitching post and twirling their six shooters eyeing up anyone who thinks of making a move they don't like, 

He exerts tremendous power.  This has been a problem for him considering that many of his donors are pro gaza while many of his voters are pro israel and he can't afford to p*ss off either.  So he's walked a bit of a tight rope. 

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29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He most certainly is.  They're playing an active role negotiating a cease fire, there have been billions of newspaper stories about it.  Yeash 

Provide one article stating that Biden has sat down with Hamas representatives, in an attempt to negotiate peace with Israel. 

29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Of course he does. He can and has controlled the flow of arms to israel which affects things greatly, his negotiators can make all kinds of promises to both sides (or threats) and he's got two rather heavily armed carriers off the coast basically leaning against the horse hitching post and twirling their six shooters eyeing up anyone who thinks of making a move they don't like, 

He exerts tremendous power.  This has been a problem for him considering that many of his donors are pro gaza while many of his voters are pro israel and he can't afford to p*ss off either.  So he's walked a bit of a tight rope. 

Biden cannot withdraw aid to Israel. It would be political suicide. Aside from that, it's arguable if he even has the ability to do so, as the GOP, and even people in his own party would be against the move.

 

At any rate, Americans are going to support Israel, when given the chance.  That runs across political lines. There may be some members of the Democratic Party who sympathise more with the Palestinians, but they are in the minority. 

Edited August 9, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

Provide one article stating that Biden has sat down with Hamas representatives, in an attempt to negotiate peace with Israel. 

Biden details Gaza truce proposal, Hamas responds positively | Reuters

And of course that is how these negotiations work. I have a funny feeling you're going to try something childish like suggesting if they didn't sit at the same physical table that somehow that means they weren't negotiating. I do hope that you wouldn't be so immature as to make such a suggestion.

This is one of several proposals the Biden has made hoping to obtain a ceasefire. They have worked at it quite a bit. 

Some more, 

Biden urges Israel and Hamas to agree on ceasefire, hostage deal (axios.com)

"Why it matters: Indirect negotiations between Israel and Hamas reached a deadlock three weeks ago. Biden, CIA Director Bill Burns, national security adviser Jake Sullivan and other senior U.S. officials have been personally involved in efforts to reach a breakthrough, but a deal remains elusive."

Sorry guy, biden has absolutely been personally involved with negotiations with Hamas AND Israel looking for a cease fire 

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

Biden cannot withdraw aid to Israel. It would be political suicide. Aside from that, it's arguable if he even has the ability to do so, as the GOP, and even people in his own party would be against the move.

At any rate, Americans are going to support Israel, when given the chance.  That runs across political lines. There may be some members of the Democratic Party who sympathise more with the Palestinians, but they are in the minority. 

Well what you're saying is that he can but probably doesn't want to.  That's not the same thing as 'can't'. 

He HAS definitely slowed down aid to israel which affected the war, and israel has complained about it. He then tried to claim that it was just heavy aircraft bombs he halted but that turned out to be inaccurate.  Israel noted that they'd had to slow their offensives as a result and biden has suggested cutting off aid if the 'humanitarian crisis' gets worse. 

At the same time as you say cutting israel off completely would drive every jewish voter to trump.  So he walks a line while trying to look like he's on both sides at the same time. 

 

Edited August 9, 2024 by CdnFox

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, User said:

Why... its almost like you are cheering for Russia. That or you have some kind of special knowledge of Russian operations... 

 

Almost but not.

Just an observation. The Russians have done this several times.

[Rebound]

9 hours ago, User said:

Biden has done more than insist on a post war strategy and their assistance came while demanding they halt their war against Hamas until they had one. 

No, Biden has threatened weapons delivery and withheld weapons from Israel, his administration drops leaks of their conversations where Biden is condemning Israel for killing their enemies including our own that was responsible for killing our marines in Beirut... 

You don't see this administration out there saying anything this forceful to Hamas about our own hostages nor do you see Biden out there fighting for our own hostages to be released. 

No, this administration continues to demand a ceasefire and that Israel must be serious about it... 

You sit here saying you support Israel pushing this war for unconditional surrender, but that isn't what this Biden administration is supporting. They want a ceasefire. 

Uh, Biden just got a bunch of American hostages released from Russia. 

[User]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Uh, Biden just got a bunch of American hostages released from Russia. 

Uh, we are talking about the hostages in Gaza held by Hamas. 

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Almost but not.

Just an observation. The Russians have done this several times.

When have the Russians set a trap in Russia like this?

[Rebound]

54 minutes ago, User said:

Uh, we are talking about the hostages in Gaza held by Hamas. 

When have the Russians set a trap in Russia like this?

I am a very strong supporter of Israel and I am very satisfied with Biden’s support of Israel. 

Benjamin Netanyahu is not a good leader and he holds power by caving into the whims of extremists who want to kick all Palestinians out of the West Bank. I do not support this one bit. I do not trust Netanyahu or his motives. We are at war but war must have objectives because the purpose of war is to obtain a desired political outcome. Without knowing what you want to achieve, you cannot win at war. 

The long-term goal needs to be Mideas peace, not Infinity War. 

Edited August 9, 2024 by Rebound

[User]

14 minutes ago, Rebound said:

I am very satisfied with Biden’s support of Israel

Yet, you keep ignoring the fact that Biden doesn't support the destruction of Hamas right now, nor has he for months. His administration is pushing for a lasting ceasefire that would leave Hamas in power. 

Biden is not out there calling for the swift destruction of Hamas. Biden has been slow walking aid to Israel and using it as leverage against them. Biden is publically condemning Israel and criticizing them for taking out terrorists, even the one responsible for killing our own Marines for crying out loud. 

 

[Rebound]

9 minutes ago, User said:

Yet, you keep ignoring the fact that Biden doesn't support the destruction of Hamas right now, nor has he for months. His administration is pushing for a lasting ceasefire that would leave Hamas in power. 

Biden is not out there calling for the swift destruction of Hamas. Biden has been slow walking aid to Israel and using it as leverage against them. Biden is publically condemning Israel and criticizing them for taking out terrorists, even the one responsible for killing our own Marines for crying out loud. 

 

Biden specifically stated that the peace plan calls for a Gaza in which Hamas is not in charge:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2024/05/31/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-middle-east-2/

But you cannot negotiate a ceasefire with Hamas which calls for them to all be killed, cause nobody agrees to being killed. 

[User]

10 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Biden specifically stated that the peace plan calls for a Gaza in which Hamas is not in charge:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2024/05/31/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-middle-east-2/

But you cannot negotiate a ceasefire with Hamas which calls for them to all be killed, cause nobody agrees to being killed. 

Did you even read this garbage?

The first phase is a complete pull out by Israel. 100% complete withdrawal from all "populated areas" and a return to life as normal for the people of Gaza, WITH HAMAS STILL IN POWER. 

For 6 weeks. 

then negotiations for peace... for as long as it takes to negotiate as long as sides are negotiating. 

So... Hamas stays in power for as long as they want... 

"But the proposal says if the negotiations take longer than six weeks for phase one, the ceasefire will still continue as long as negotiations continue."

You keep reading this drivel and no where does it outline where Hamas is no longer in power. 

 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, User said:

Uh, we are talking about the hostages in Gaza held by Hamas. 

When have the Russians set a trap in Russia like this?

Both world wars. Very similar tactic.

[User]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Both world wars. Very similar tactic.

LOL, both world wars?

So, you have no modern or recent or relevant examples, just broad generalizations reaching back to... *checks notes* the world wars.

There is zero evidence Russia has any assets in that area that were staging some kind of trap. 

 

Edited August 9, 2024 by User

[Nationalist]

19 minutes ago, User said:

LOL, both world wars?

So, you have no modern or recent or relevant examples, just broad generalizations reaching back to... *checks notes* the world wars.

There is zero evidence Russia has any assets in that area that were staging some kind of trap. 

 

That's semi-true.

Let's see what happens. 

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, Rebound said:

Uh, Biden just got a bunch of American hostages released from Russia. 

No, russia just got a bunch of their operatives and hitmen released from the USA. THey traded hostages  But russia came away ahead of the game there. 

9 hours ago, Rebound said:

I am a very strong supporter of Israel and I am very satisfied with Biden’s support of Israel. 

 

The israelis aren't "very satisfied' so.....   yeah. 

 I mean in fairness it's not like he hasnt' helped at all but he's walked a line between pissing off jewish voters and hamas supporting voters.