Old boring liar

[CouchPotato]

21 minutes ago, myata said:

This is the precedent, and the future someone is creating, in fact and reality and it doesn't matter one bit if they don't think or can't. How can it be anything else? Just forget about it this one time and then, it'll be nice and rosy? Not a chance. Reject and condemn it now; or it's the normal and standard made here, right before our eyes.

myata, somebody is going to win in November. I don't know who that is. I think it would be worse if the Democrats won. That is my belief, whether you can grasp that or not. But you know what, in the end, it's out of my control. I am not even American. So if Trump loses, so be it. I won't be surprised by it. Someone has to win. Someone has to lose. I am going to go on with my life. I will be ok. The sun rises, the sun sets. I don't make that happen, and I take each day as it comes.

If Trump wins the election, you will be just fine. I think you are panicking. The same people telling you that Trump wants to abolish the vote are the ones who told you Biden was fine for 3+ years.

Let's do a worst case scenario here. Let's say he is going to win. Let's say you are right about Trump. He is a lying clown. He is going to abolish the vote. He is going to lock up people like Rachel Maddow and Joy Behar. How will you deal with that?

Sometimes this is a good thing to do. The Toronto Maple Leafs have had a decent team for the past several years. I don't like admitting that. Every year before the playoffs I allow myself to think about the horrifying possibility that the Leafs actually win another Stanley Cup someday. Annoying Leaf fans everywhere would be banging their annoying Leaf fan tambourines. Would I have to build a bunker and stay down there for a few years to escape that? Sometimes it's good to war game these things, then you start panicking less.

Edited August 5, 2024 by CouchPotato

[myata]

I'm only pointing to the facts here. People make choices and they have consequences. Choices come with consequences and there's no way to cancel them by ignoring or shrugging away. It's the obvious logical consequence that if this behavior and practice is not stopped and condemned now, it will become the new normal and new standard of politics. And there will be nothing to stop someone then from pushing it even further.

Where further, from "stolen election" and "just find me votes"? We can think about that now; and if we don't we'll have to face the consequences. All fair and logical, only the honest accounting of the history and evolution.

Nothing is guaranteed in life and history, generations learned it in painful trials and lessons. Do you want to forget it all now? You sure have the right, and the ability - but don't think for a moment that it could somehow relieve you of the consequences of the choices you make. You knew what you were choosing and you knew it perfectly well - to make sure of that is my only purpose here.

 

Edited August 5, 2024 by myata

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Especially the Justice part. Could anyone have predicted that a president would have lawyers argue that he has immunity from murdering his enemies? 

 

 

Well that's not what he argued - he argued he has immunity from prosecution in the regular courts. He would still face impeachment which they argued was the correct venue. So you start off with a bit of a lie. 

Setting that aside - Yes actually. That's come up before.   What obama did was unlawful, but necessary - obama can't be tried for murder. A bunch of people wanted to charge bush with war crimes, they coudln't.  This is only new to 'shocked' democrats who want to pretend this is  a new idea. 

Before this everyone accepted that anything that was to do with the job was protected.  It has to be that way or the president really can't do his job.  If he goes too far then there's impeachment. 

What people DIDN'T expect is that the legal system would be used to conjure some insane made up charges to attack and persecute the dem's political rival.  THAT came as a shock. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, CouchPotato said:

Which Democrat are you talking about here? You've described most of them pretty well.

Hopefully Trump wins this fall so we can get rid of all that hate and fear. I mean just go read myata's original post. That's what leftist fearmongering has created.

 

You're just trolling at this point. I don't think anyone is actually confused about Trump's many flaws or his messages. 

From the second he rode down that stupid gold escalator and lied about there being "thousands" of people in attendance (many hired) to hear him gin up hate against Mexican immigrants (and any other thing that flowed through his stream of consciousness), we knew exactly what Trump was. All hate, fear and anger--but he alone can fix it. He is the dark side of American politics. The problem is that so many of you actually like it. 

Edited August 5, 2024 by Hodad

[CouchPotato]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Do you want to forget it all now? You sure have the right, and the ability - but don't think for a moment that it could somehow relieve you of the consequences of the choices you make. You knew what you were choosing and you knew it perfectly well - to make sure of that is my only purpose here.

myata, what you fail to recognize is that we think the same way about the Democrats. We think they are worse. We see that they have targeted political opponents. We see that they gave Trump 34 felonies for a hush money payment. That's outlandish. We see that the IRS targeted conservatives. We see that they lied about Biden being able to be president for 3 years. We know they knew this. Maybe you believed it. Maybe you even really believe Biden did this honorable thing by stepping down. But the Democrats knew he was not firing on all cylinders. The media knew it. And if the Democrats knew he wasn't fit to be president, and they had to protect him and lead him around like a lost puppy, he really wasn't president at all. That's a pretty big deal.

We don't think Jan 6. was a coup. We think calling it a coup is a ridiculous exaggeration. We don't care that he slept with a porn star or had a bunch of affairs. Were you born yesterday? You have never heard of a politician having sexual escapades. You will just ignore it when it's a Democrat. I have mentioned this before, and I will mention it again. Democrats had a great reverence for a man who once drove off a bridge with a young woman in his car. He survived and got away. He left her there and never reported this to the police until a day later. Clinton and Kennedy were both womanizers. Clinton was accused of rape and sexual harrassment. Overvaluing Mar-A-Lago? The bank didn't even complain about it. That is nowhere near the worst of the shady business dealings that go on in Washington --- by people from both parties. We have worse corruption than that going on in little old Canada. No one realistically expects to see many politicians being convicted over it. There is only one reason people care now about this stuff --- because it's Trump. Orange man bad!

Edited August 5, 2024 by CouchPotato

[CouchPotato]

57 minutes ago, Hodad said:

He is the dark side of American politics. The problem is that so many of you actually like it. 

That is what you believe. I believe the exact opposite. Not that Trump is amazing... but that Democrats are the darker side of American politics.

And yes, clearly I was just ribbing people before. I assumed I was being obvious enough.

[myata]

No, the reality matters way more than what you think. And the reality will make the difference because unlike what we may think, it is always real. Only for an argument's sake, imagine that Trump could win and turned out to be, despite all facts and evidence the greatest leader ever since the times of the founders. And even in that case, it: the sh*t still wouldn't be going anywhere!

If he the greatest blah could be convicted and still nominated why couldn't I? If he could look for extra votes when in trouble why not me? I claim to be the candidate, you have to stop all investigations now! Every thug, criminal and felon would take it right off the hanger and stencil, and it'll be this way forever. The new standard, new normal: what could be the problem?

This is the kind of a precedent they just made. And haven't as much as given it a passing thought. Wow. Astounding. Could you really do that?

Edited August 5, 2024 by myata

[CouchPotato]

30 minutes ago, myata said:

And the reality will make the difference because unlike what we may think, it is always real.

Is that you, Kamala?

[myata]

Yep, the one an only answer. Try to ignore it and whistle away till it catches up. For some reason, some folks just love doing that no matter what.

[User]

5 hours ago, Hodad said:

Mexican immigrants

Keep hiding from me coward, because I call you out for these kinds of lies. 

Trump was talking about illegal immigrants. 

 

 

45 minutes ago, myata said:

Yep, the one an only answer. Try to ignore it and whistle away till it catches up. For some reason, some folks just love doing that no matter what.

Ignore?

You refuse to actually respond to anyone anymore and make these vague responses instead. 

[myata]

I honestly can't tell what could reset the precedent that was created. Him stepping down, perhaps and in a way, not completely but zero chance of that happening. The party publicly acknowledging and taking responsibility for the grotesque failure of trust and responsibility and then participating in good faith in creating a framework to prevent the erosion of democracy? OK, but what would be the chance of that?

Short of this, it just isn't going anywhere. How can it?

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, myata said:

I honestly can't tell what could reset the precedent that was created. Him stepping down, perhaps and in a way, not completely but zero chance of that happening. The party publicly acknowledging and taking responsibility for the grotesque failure of trust and responsibility and then participating in good faith in creating a framework to prevent the erosion of democracy? OK, but what would be the chance of that?

Short of this, it just isn't going anywhere. How can it?

This is the state of mind...of a brainwashed mind. There is, evidently, no way to break the bonds that chain these Libbies. Their cultivated cause transcends common sense...morality...democracy itself.

They are primed to overlook and excuse attacks on their own beliefs, in order to dispose of  their ultimate boogeyman...Trump.

It's hard to watch this tragedy and not sense some form of sympathy for them. But...their brainwashing has been so complete that they leave us no choice but to view then as "enemy".

I suppose the best we can do is win the war they've started and remember who is actually responsible for this, once the dust clears.

Till then...we engage the "enemy" with greater numbers and better weaponry. Common sense and the American Constitution. 

Edited August 6, 2024 by Nationalist

[zzbulls]

He does what he is told to do.

[myata]

What we see here a classical example of the "lying ostrich" argument. Obviously it never solved any real problems and very obviously, cannot. Zero chance of success in any number of attempts.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, myata said:

I honestly can't tell what could reset the precedent that was created. Him stepping down, perhaps and in a way, not completely but zero chance of that happening.

What are you talking about? That is exactly what DID happen!  Biden has stepped down as the nominee but not completely because he's still pres! 

Zero chance? it literally happened!

Why do you feel the need to spam the forum like this?

[myata]

At least the Supreme Court understands possible consequences of this precedent: SC rejects the delay of Trump's sentencing. Mob's boss? Career criminal? Don't like your convictions? Run for the president of the United States of America! A ready script, right off the shelf.

Here's how it can be untied in a more or less sane way: if the Republicans lose it; and, do some deep and much needful reflection on the consequences and responsibility; and, decide to participate, in good faith, in the renewal of democracy. The Congress could pass a non-partisan bill to prohibit convicted criminals to run for the president. The founding fathers couldn't dream in their deepest nightmares that some day someone would actually try.

[PIK]

Reading about Trump,and it seems he help out black people when he could. As in giving loans to black business people when.tje banks wouldn't give them a dime. He help Jesse Jackson when he ran for president, and Jackson also said how much Trump helped out the black community. Yes Trump is rude and crude, but is he really a full blown racist as the lefts says?

[CouchPotato]

9 minutes ago, PIK said:

Yes Trump is rude and crude, but is he really a full blown racist as the lefts says?

No. He is the Republican candidate for President. This has been their method of attack against Republican candidates for several elections now.

I always like to use the example of Joe Biden saying that Romney and Ryan would "put y'all back in chains". Pretty sensational stuff. While Republicans scurry around trying to defend their own from charges like this, they end up distracted from the fact that what Biden did there was incredibly racist. He was basically using the fears of black people for his own political gain.

Edited August 6, 2024 by CouchPotato

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

No. He is the Republican candidate for President. This has been their method of attack against Republican candidates for several elections now.

Mitt Romney was going to put all the blacks in chains again 🙄

[CouchPotato]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Mitt Romney was going to put all the blacks in chains again 🙄

I was just editing that into my post when you replied. Great minds, CdnFox.

[suds]

1 hour ago, myata said:

The Congress could pass a non-partisan bill to prohibit convicted criminals to run for the president.

My understanding is that it would require a proposed constitutional amendment that would have to be ratified by 3/4 of the state legislatures.

[myata]

Well, the precedent has been set and the Supreme Court today recognized what the consequence could be.

Any mob boss can claim to be running for the president. Fact. Any convicted criminal who claimed to be running, could cry and call to have his convictions overturned and trials postponed. Fact. Wait, there's more: if they don't win they could claim the election "stolen" and call for discontent and riots indefinitely. Check. What is the answer here? Let's have it for our cute baby oh please and then it's the law for everybody else? Is that how justice works, where? In Venezuela?

Could that be the basis and source of that strange attraction to dictator thugs around the globe? Similar kind of thinking, the law is that funny sheet of paper great words but doesn't really apply to me? What else, who would propose better ideas?

Edited August 6, 2024 by myata

[CouchPotato]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Let's have it for our cute baby oh please and then it's the law for everybody else?

Even if the left were to convict Trump of 900 felonies and completely bankrupt him, he will never have to worry about being homeless. He will always be able to live, rent-free, in your head.

[myata]

1 hour ago, CouchPotato said:

He will always be able to live, rent-free, in your head.

This is a fine example of some folks having no clue what democracy is about; or pretending to be too dumb to have it. Either way, the options are:

- the law exists for everybody, except our very own pathologically lying cute fat baby;

OR:

- the laws exists for everybody.

We are sure free to pick and choose but it can only be one of the above. No mass of pretend dumbness; no lying tricks can change the reality.

[Legato]

On 8/5/2024 at 2:41 PM, myata said:

I'm only pointing to the facts here. People make choices and they have consequences. Choices come with consequences and there's no way to cancel them by ignoring or shrugging away. It's the obvious logical consequence that if this behavior and practice is not stopped and condemned now, it will become the new normal and new standard of politics. And there will be nothing to stop someone then from pushing it even further.

Where further, from "stolen election" and "just find me votes"? We can think about that now; and if we don't we'll have to face the consequences. All fair and logical, only the honest accounting of the history and evolution.

Nothing is guaranteed in life and history, generations learned it in painful trials and lessons. Do you want to forget it all now? You sure have the right, and the ability - but don't think for a moment that it could somehow relieve you of the consequences of the choices you make. You knew what you were choosing and you knew it perfectly well - to make sure of that is my only purpose here.

 

Did you get those lines from a John Wick movie?