Rasmussen Poll Finds Illegal Votes In Mass

[gatomontes99]

It is unusual for a polling outfit to ask if likely voters are legal citizens. In its analysis, Rasmussen said that nationally, “more than five percent (5%) say they are not U.S. citizens and a little less than four percent (4%) are not sure if they’re citizens or not.” Added together, that 9% translates into nearly 14 million votes.

Time to start campaigning to illegal aliens. Republicans need a Spanish language ad on Telemundo that highlights how Democrats did nothing to stop them from being raped, their children being sold into slavery and their family members being indebted for life or killed.

 

[robosmith]

41 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

It is unusual for a polling outfit to ask if likely voters are legal citizens. In its analysis, Rasmussen said that nationally, “more than five percent (5%) say they are not U.S. citizens and a little less than four percent (4%) are not sure if they’re citizens or not.” Added together, that 9% translates into nearly 14 million votes.

Time to start campaigning to illegal aliens. Republicans need a Spanish language ad on Telemundo that highlights how Democrats did nothing to stop them from being raped, their children being sold into slavery and their family members being indebted for life or killed.

 

Why are you posting a story from Washington Examiner instead of Rasmussen Reports?

Your cite reads like a campaign ad for Republicans and so does the Rasmussen Reports story. 🤮

For instance, the interpretation concludes that 4% who are not sure if they are citizens ARE voting ILLEGALLY when some of those COULD BE citizens voting LEGALLY.

 

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It is unusual for a polling outfit to ask if likely voters are legal citizens. In its analysis, Rasmussen said that nationally, “more than five percent (5%) say they are not U.S. citizens and a little less than four percent (4%) are not sure if they’re citizens or not.”

Added together, that 9% translates into nearly 14 million votes.

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Rasmussen pollster Mark Mitchell said that he has just begun to ask if voters are citizens or not.

NONE of those questions are detailed in the RP story about the polling.

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Why are you posting a story from Washington Examiner instead of Rasmussen Reports?

Your cite reads like a campaign ad for Republicans and so does the Rasmussen Reports story. 🤮

For instance, the interpretation concludes that 4% who are not sure if they are citizens ARE voting ILLEGALLY when some of those COULD BE citizens voting LEGALLY.

 

NONE of those questions are detailed in the RP story about the polling.

Ok, I posted the WE article because the data that they quote is behind a pay wall. You really do everything you can to avoid reality, don't you?

But, hey, since you brought up the article, lets see what the article says:

"The number who say they got multiple mail-in ballots in 2020 is higher (20%) among voters in six states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin) viewed as key “battlegrounds” in this year’s election."

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/62_concerned_about_election_cheating

Oh look at that. All those extra ballots in the swing states Joe won. HMMM. I wonder why that is?

 

[robosmith]

22 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Ok, I posted the WE article because the data that they quote is behind a pay wall. You really do everything you can to avoid reality, don't you?

But, hey, since you brought up the article, lets see what the article says:

"The number who say they got multiple mail-in ballots in 2020 is higher (20%) among voters in six states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin) viewed as key “battlegrounds” in this year’s election."

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/62_concerned_about_election_cheating

Oh look at that. All those extra ballots in the swing states Joe won. HMMM. I wonder why that is?

 

STATES routinely do a notoriously poor job of of voter roll maintenance.

Just cause people get dup ballots does not mean they were USED. Duh

You do everything possible to pretend what you post reflects reality when it DOES NOT cause it just reflects YOUR AGENDA. 🤮

[gatomontes99]

47 minutes ago, robosmith said:

STATES routinely do a notoriously poor job of of voter roll maintenance.

Just cause people get dup ballots does not mean they were USED. Duh

You do everything possible to pretend what you post reflects reality when it DOES NOT cause it just reflects YOUR AGENDA. 🤮

Oh? States don't do a good job with voter rolls? Why on earth could that be?

Conservative groups are pushing to clean voter rolls. Others see an effort to sow election distrust

Voter purges are on the rise in states with a history of racial discrimination

A Look At Voter Suppression Tactics Ahead Of The Election

Voting is not enough when 33 million Americans have been purged from the voter rolls between 2014 and 2018, according to the Brennan Center.

So these left wing rags are calling voter roll clean up efforts racist, suppression, and election distrust. Doesn't it ever strike you as odd that one party wants a secure election and the other doesn't?

Back to our topic. Elections are not about generating voters. Elections are about generating ballots. Ballots win elections, not voters. The left is willing to generate ballots any way they can. So they oppose any effort to restrict ballots to legal voters.

[Aristides]

I think most of the world is mystified by a country that lets states decide who gets to vote in a federal election.

[gatomontes99]

19 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I think most of the world is mystified by a country that lets states decide who gets to vote in a federal election.

Let them be.

Edited July 25, 2024 by gatomontes99

[User]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

I think most of the world is mystified by a country that lets states decide who gets to vote in a federal election.

I doubt most of the world even pays attention to that nuance in American elections. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, User said:

I doubt most of the world even pays attention to that nuance in American elections. 

You would be surprised.

At the end of the day for democracy to work people have to have confidence in the system. If it is believed that tons of illegal voters are out there voting and you cannot prove reasonably that they are not then you have a very serious problem.

The feds should pass laws to regulate federal elections and ensure that everybody is playing by the same rules and that the rules are strict enough to ensure that significant amounts of voter fraud cannot reasonably  happen undetected. 

Right now  polling going back to 2000 shows that whichever side loses thinks the election was rigged.  And that tends to lead to a spiral similar to what we've seen in the states.  It's extremely unhealthy. 

[ironstone]

12 hours ago, robosmith said:

STATES routinely do a notoriously poor job of of voter roll maintenance.

Just cause people get dup ballots does not mean they were USED. Duh

I'm rather shocked that you admitted this. But in a way, you're also defending it at the same time, the usual 'nothing to see here folks, move along' attitude.

It is Republicans that want to clean up the voter rolls to ensure election integrity. It is the Democrats that fight tooth and nail against that.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/united-states/conservative-groups-are-pushing-to-clean-u-s-voter-rolls-others-see-an-effort-to/article_1df81dcb-97cb-5bb1-863c-27f762d1b76d.html

Those behind the reviews cast them as good government endeavors intended to help local election offices clean up the rolls. Voting rights groups and Democrats believe the effort aims to shake faith in the results of the 2024 election and lay the legal groundwork to challenge the results.

Here is a look at what’s happening around voter roll challenges:

States already must maintain their rolls

“Soles to the Rolls” in Michigan, whose name echoes the “Souls to the Polls” get-out-the-vote efforts of Black churches, and Nevada’s Pigpen Project are among state-level initiatives in which volunteers are trying to find flaws in state voter rolls.

Their findings can sound ominous: dead people or non-U.S. citizens registered, or people listed at addresses where they no longer live, suggesting the potential for double-voting. Conservative activists identify the suspect records, then deliver them to local or state election offices for possible removal.

Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, a Democrat, earlier this year told a suburban Detroit clerk to reinstate the registrations of about 1,000 people who had been removed through such an effort, after the purge was reported by The New York Times

 

Conservatives found names that shouldn't be on the list...the Democrats in Michigan promptly reinstated the names lol.

[User]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You would be surprised.

At the end of the day for democracy to work people have to have confidence in the system. If it is believed that tons of illegal voters are out there voting and you cannot prove reasonably that they are not then you have a very serious problem.

The feds should pass laws to regulate federal elections and ensure that everybody is playing by the same rules and that the rules are strict enough to ensure that significant amounts of voter fraud cannot reasonably  happen undetected. 

Right now  polling going back to 2000 shows that whichever side loses thinks the election was rigged.  And that tends to lead to a spiral similar to what we've seen in the states.  It's extremely unhealthy. 

Not quite that simple. The Elections Clause of our Constitution divides these powers and I am no expert on the many SCOTUS rulings since then that define the boundaries of what each can do. 

[Aristides]

11 hours ago, User said:

I doubt most of the world even pays attention to that nuance in American elections. 

I think you would be wrong.

[robosmith]

13 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Oh? States don't do a good job with voter rolls? Why on earth could that be?

Conservative groups are pushing to clean voter rolls. Others see an effort to sow election distrust

Voter purges are on the rise in states with a history of racial discrimination

A Look At Voter Suppression Tactics Ahead Of The Election

Voting is not enough when 33 million Americans have been purged from the voter rolls between 2014 and 2018, according to the Brennan Center.

So these left wing rags are calling voter roll clean up efforts racist, suppression, and election distrust. Doesn't it ever strike you as odd that one party wants a secure election and the other doesn't?

Back to our topic. Elections are not about generating voters. Elections are about generating ballots. Ballots win elections, not voters. The left is willing to generate ballots any way they can. So they oppose any effort to restrict ballots to legal voters.

What strikes me odd is that you believe those who want to "clean up" voter rolls will do it honestly when RepubliCONS have a LONG HISTORY of VOTER SUPPRESSION. "Secure election" means suppressing minority voters in many RepubliCON states.

We OFTEN hear misrepresentations about dead people voting from RepubliCONS when people vote early and then die before the vote is COUNTED. They will beat any dead horse to sow election distrust.

AKA, you are so naive and a rube to believe representations just because it's YOUR PARTY with an agenda which sounds good to you.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

I'm rather shocked that you admitted this. But in a way, you're also defending it at the same time, the usual 'nothing to see here folks, move along' attitude.

I didn't say that, LIAR. The rolls need to be cleaned up, but NOT by a single Party that currently runs the state.

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

It is Republicans that want to clean up the voter rolls to ensure election integrity. It is the Democrats that fight tooth and nail against that.

That's because RepubliCONS have a long history of voter suppression, esp in the South. You are naive.

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/united-states/conservative-groups-are-pushing-to-clean-u-s-voter-rolls-others-see-an-effort-to/article_1df81dcb-97cb-5bb1-863c-27f762d1b76d.html

Those behind the reviews cast them as good government endeavors intended to help local election offices clean up the rolls. Voting rights groups and Democrats believe the effort aims to shake faith in the results of the 2024 election and lay the legal groundwork to challenge the results.

Here is a look at what’s happening around voter roll challenges:

States already must maintain their rolls

“Soles to the Rolls” in Michigan, whose name echoes the “Souls to the Polls” get-out-the-vote efforts of Black churches, and Nevada’s Pigpen Project are among state-level initiatives in which volunteers are trying to find flaws in state voter rolls.

Their findings can sound ominous: dead people or non-U.S. citizens registered, or people listed at addresses where they no longer live, suggesting the potential for double-voting. Conservative activists identify the suspect records, then deliver them to local or state election offices for possible removal.

Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, a Democrat, earlier this year told a suburban Detroit clerk to reinstate the registrations of about 1,000 people who had been removed through such an effort, after the purge was reported by The New York Times

 

Conservatives found names that shouldn't be on the list...the Democrats in Michigan promptly reinstated the names lol.

You are naive to believe that "conservatives found names" honestly and that "promptly reinstated" was dishonest, just because you like one Party and don't like the other. 

[impartialobserver]

In NV.. the instant that you apply for a DL or learner's permit, you are registered to vote. If you move and come back.. which happens often, you will have two records in the database. There are many other examples but yes.. most states do a poor job of cleaning their voter registration database. Why? It is tedious, laborious, and hard to justify the expense to higher ups. To pay 3 or 4 relatively high paid staff to do this is a big item on the budget.. one that puts you into the red. 

[robosmith]

6 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

In NV.. the instant that you apply for a DL or learner's permit, you are registered to vote. If you move and come back.. which happens often, you will have two records in the database. There are many other examples but yes.. most states do a poor job of cleaning their voter registration database. Why? It is tedious, laborious, and hard to justify the expense to higher ups. To pay 3 or 4 relatively high paid staff to do this is a big item on the budget.. one that puts you into the red. 

Esp when, to do it correctly, involves a lot more than just matching names.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, User said:

Not quite that simple. The Elections Clause of our Constitution divides these powers and I am no expert on the many SCOTUS rulings since then that define the boundaries of what each can do. 

I'm sure there's legal hurtles, but i do note the feds already exercise some regulation over it, so i suspect there are ways to enforce at least some basic minimums like a requirement to show id or the like. How far they could take it is beyond my legal knowledge but unless they do something people will have less and less belief in their gov't as being legitimate every election cycle. That's already happening. And that's regardless of who wins or who's running. 

8 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

In NV.. the instant that you apply for a DL or learner's permit, you are registered to vote. If you move and come back.. which happens often, you will have two records in the database. There are many other examples but yes.. most states do a poor job of cleaning their voter registration database. Why? It is tedious, laborious, and hard to justify the expense to higher ups. To pay 3 or 4 relatively high paid staff to do this is a big item on the budget.. one that puts you into the red. 

It would be better for the feds to take it on nationally if possible, and distribute the lists of 'federally registered' voters to the states. 

[impartialobserver]

Just now, robosmith said:

Esp when, to do it correctly, involves a lot more than just matching names.

There is not enough space on this forum to explain what someone would have to do in order to do this correctly. It gets pretty complex and usually demands that you cross matches with other databases. That gets messy because the columns and their formats are not uniform. "06/10//2024" does not join with "06-10-2024"

[ironstone]

8 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

In NV.. the instant that you apply for a DL or learner's permit, you are registered to vote. If you move and come back.. which happens often, you will have two records in the database. There are many other examples but yes.. most states do a poor job of cleaning their voter registration database. Why? It is tedious, laborious, and hard to justify the expense to higher ups. To pay 3 or 4 relatively high paid staff to do this is a big item on the budget.. one that puts you into the red. 

Governments at all levels tend to have a lot of highly paid employees. Why would they be so reluctant to go the extra mile to clean up voter rolls? Democrats routinely use the 'existential threat to democracy' line against Trump. Shouldn't up to date voter rolls be the first line of defense in the fight against threats to election integrity?

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, ironstone said:

Governments at all levels tend to have a lot of highly paid employees. Why would they be so reluctant to go the extra mile to clean up voter rolls? Democrats routinely use the 'existential threat to democracy' line against Trump. Shouldn't up to date voter rolls be the first line of defense in the fight against threats to election integrity?

Why do you not ask them? They are the ones (both Republican and Democrat) who are opposed to increased staffing. The addition of these types to the voter registration database is automated and so no staffing and infinitesimal low cost. Automating the clean up would be extremely complex. It could be done but you have to hire someone to write this vast, very complex Python or SQL script. And then also other agencies have to allow access to their data so you can do simple cross matches. And believe it or not.. they do not like doing so. 

[ironstone]

Voter roll error map.

https://publicinterestlegal.org/issues/voter-roll-error-map/

It's funny that anyone could claim that Republicans and Democrats have a similar position on cleaning up the voter rolls.

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Voter roll error map.

https://publicinterestlegal.org/issues/voter-roll-error-map/

It's funny that anyone could claim that Republicans and Democrats have a similar position on cleaning up the voter rolls.

Well I think what he is saying is that both parties have had control of the roles and neither have taken the time or energy to properly clean it up in the past. From my understanding that is indeed the case

[impartialobserver]

18 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Voter roll error map.

https://publicinterestlegal.org/issues/voter-roll-error-map/

It's funny that anyone could claim that Republicans and Democrats have a similar position on cleaning up the voter rolls.

I am giving you the nuts and bolts, boots on the ground viewpoint of my state, Nevada. If you want to read subjective articles and have no idea where the numbers come from.. that is up to you 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

There is not enough space on this forum to explain what someone would have to do in order to do this correctly. It gets pretty complex and usually demands that you cross matches with other databases. That gets messy because the columns and their formats are not uniform. "06/10//2024" does not join with "06-10-2024"

I hate the mm-dd-yyyy format, it is incredibly stupid and confusing. 

"Best before date: 01/11/2024"... Is that January or November? Did this expire 6 months ago or is it good for 5 more months?

Common sense dictates that would be 01 Nov, with the units getting larger as you go the right, or 2024/11/01, with units getting smaller as you move right, but having the smallest unit in the middle makes no sense to me. "Look for another can with a 13-to-31 on it somewhere..."

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

It is unusual for a polling outfit to ask if likely voters are legal citizens. In its analysis, Rasmussen said that nationally, “more than five percent (5%) say they are not U.S. citizens and a little less than four percent (4%) are not sure if they’re citizens or not.” Added together, that 9% translates into nearly 14 million votes.

Time to start campaigning to illegal aliens. Republicans need a Spanish language ad on Telemundo that highlights how Democrats did nothing to stop them from being raped, their children being sold into slavery and their family members being indebted for life or killed.

I thought that Trump should have chosen Rubio, DeSantis, or Cruz, just to keep gaining momentum with the hispanic voters. 

Vance is probably the smartest of the lot, but brilliance doesn't always equate to votes, or Biden would only have received 11 votes in 2020.