Get Ready for the Biggest Wave of Propaganda in the History of the World

[CouchPotato]

27 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Right. I had someone explain some FDA reforms he was talking about. It sounded pretty good. 

Always said I was hoping that button mashing and challenging on his part would lead to some reforms. In some cases, he has made history in ways that other presidents could not have. 

People assume that because I'm conservative I I don't like Trump. That's just binary thinking.

Used to be easier for people on both sides to laugh at their own political candidates.

[CdnFox]

29 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Right. I had someone explain some FDA reforms he was talking about. It sounded pretty good. 

Always said I was hoping that button mashing and challenging on his part would lead to some reforms. In some cases, he has made history in ways that other presidents could not have. 

People assume that because I'm conservative I I don't like Trump. That's just binary thinking.

People assume that because you freuquently lie you'd feel more comfortable with the democrats.  It's not the same thing. 

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Used to be easier for people on both sides to laugh at their own political candidates.

A lot of things used to be easier.

I just want people to have a little bit more humility, and less entitlement

[CouchPotato]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

A lot of things used to be easier.

It's not an easy thing to solve. The political climate these days is one in which you have you to dig your heels in, right or wrong. It's like apologizing to someone who wants to sue you.

Remember when Romney was going to "put y'all back in chains" and Paul Ryan was going to "push granny over a cliff." The team wasn't built for the playoffs in 2012. They added a some grit next time around.

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

It's not an easy thing to solve. The political climate these days is one in which you have you to dig your heels in, right or wrong. It's like apologizing to someone who wants to sue you.

Remember when Romney was going to "put y'all back in chains" and Paul Ryan was going to "push granny over a cliff." The team wasn't built for the playoffs in 2012. They added a some grit next time around.

I think that centrist people need to start criticising the Chuds on their side of the fence.

And especially telling people that conspiracy theories are retarded.

Too many people were educated about politics by Hollywood movies like Enemy of the State...

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think that centrist people need to start criticising the Chuds on their side of the fence.

And especially telling people that conspiracy theories are retarded.

Too many people were educated about politics by Hollywood movies like Enemy of the State...

Sure- calling people chuds and retarded is pretty much guaranteed to make them see things your way. it's all part of the civil discourse

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure- calling people chuds and retarded is pretty much guaranteed to make them see things your way. it's all part of the civil discourse

They need to be smarter or be quiet.

You don't shy away from pointing out stupidity.  In fact, you engage with such people at length.

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

They need to be smarter or be quiet.

 

 

No, they don't.  I mean it would be nice if they were smarter but everyone's entitled to their thoughts and to express them. Even myata and robo, even reason10.  Rights don't just go away when they're inconvenient. I mean, you also have the right to point and laugh if they say something stupid (a right i exercise frequently  ) but IF your goal is to change opinion or behavior then that's not a great way to go about it, 

You lefties - always going for the cancel option first  

[CouchPotato]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

They need to be smarter or be quiet.

You don't shy away from pointing out stupidity.  In fact, you engage with such people at length.

 

The problem is it didn't work for the softer, genteel Republicans. Guys like McCain and Romney got eaten alive.

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

The problem is it didn't work for the softer, genteel Republicans. Guys like McCain and Romney got eaten alive.

They didn't do anything about the stupidity.  McCain died and Romney took the high road out the door.  

[CouchPotato]

45 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

They didn't do anything about the stupidity.  McCain died and Romney took the high road out the door.  

What does doing something about the stupidity look like? Do you mean in the party? I mean they can't decide who runs and who people in Missouri want to put in the senate or whatever.

That aside, McCain and Romney were attacked in the media. Not the chuds, whoever they are.

I can understand you like quiet. I am not much different. But sometimes there are battles that have to be fought. It's a political warzone, and the people who are ready to label you a fascist for not supporting gender ideology in grade school are not capitulating. Parents who protested this sort of thing were investigated by the FBI as a terrorism threat. That's the reality.

Edited July 24, 2024 by CouchPotato

[Michael Hardner]

https://i.imgur.com/EnfWu49.jpeg

I think that even the most hardcore Republican would find this image inspiring...

 

#troll

Edited July 24, 2024 by Michael Hardner

[Five of swords]

15 hours ago, User said:

Yes. You said the Holocaust did not occur. That is false, I do not agree with that. 

You said the gas chamber I showed you was not a gas chamber. That was false. 

Yes, I did. You are playing these dishonest games now. You tried to argue there were no gas chambers and that is why I provided a picture of one then you claimed it was not a gas chamber. 

So... do you admit there were in fact gas chambers used by the NAZI's to kill Jews? Was it a holocaust? Is it just that you don't think they killed as many as were claimed or something?

Excuse me? We were never arguing about whether there were no gas chambers. I was simply informing you, because it is a fact, that the infrastructure for the gas chamber is no longer intact, if it still existed. That is what you disagreed with me over. So now you are going to have to show proof that the auschwitz gas chamber could literally still operate as a gas chamber in order to make a point.

[User]

47 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Excuse me? We were never arguing about whether there were no gas chambers. I was simply informing you, because it is a fact, that the infrastructure for the gas chamber is no longer intact, if it still existed. That is what you disagreed with me over. So now you are going to have to show proof that the auschwitz gas chamber could literally still operate as a gas chamber in order to make a point.

No. No excuse. You just ignored all my questions and did not directly respond to most of my points. 

You were not simply informing me or anyone of anything. You outright tried to claim that the picture I showed you was not a gas chamber and then tried to argue it was not a gas chamber and instead was a delousing chamber.

The issue is not whether a gas chamber used over 70 years ago could still function as one today. Do you agree that they did function as gas chambers under the NAZI's to kill Jews? Yes or No? Was there a holocaust? Yes or No? 

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

https://i.imgur.com/EnfWu49.jpeg

I think that even the most hardcore Republican would find this image inspiring...

 

#troll

Joking aside it's likely one of the primary angles they'll run. But i don't know if that's going to play well in the states she needs it to. It'll give her cali but she's got cali already. 

[Five of swords]

2 hours ago, User said:

No. No excuse. You just ignored all my questions and did not directly respond to most of my points. 

You were not simply informing me or anyone of anything. You outright tried to claim that the picture I showed you was not a gas chamber and then tried to argue it was not a gas chamber and instead was a delousing chamber.

The issue is not whether a gas chamber used over 70 years ago could still function as one today. Do you agree that they did function as gas chambers under the NAZI's to kill Jews? Yes or No? Was there a holocaust? Yes or No? 

 

The issue was exactly whether a gas chamber 70 years ago could function today. That was all I was claiming. You decided yourself to read more into it.

 

The picture you showed me was apparently, according to the 'experts', a former delousing chamber. So I wasn't actually wrong. Hitler was apparently playing musical rooms in that particular 'death camp',, which is supposed to explain the anomaly.

 

All I said was that we do not have the actual gas chambers in the death camps today. We just have rooms that we say used to be gas chambers, but none of the infrastructure still remains. That is what you were arguing against...and you CHOSE to interpret that to mean I was claiming there never were gas chambers. But that was all you. All I stated was universally accepted fact...nothing controversial about it.

Edited July 24, 2024 by Five of swords

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, User said:

No. No excuse. You just ignored all my questions and did not directly respond to most of my points. 

You were not simply informing me or anyone of anything. You outright tried to claim that the picture I showed you was not a gas chamber and then tried to argue it was not a gas chamber and instead was a delousing chamber.

The issue is not whether a gas chamber used over 70 years ago could still function as one today. Do you agree that they did function as gas chambers under the NAZI's to kill Jews? Yes or No? Was there a holocaust? Yes or No? 

 

Sigh. 

Look,  @Five of swords,  are you SURE this is the right forum for you to be on?  So far literally everyone you've talked to has kicked your ass and pointed out that you're not just wrong on literally everything you've brought up, but painfully logically flawed. 

ROBOSMITH managed to get a couple a of good swipes in FFS.  To put that in video game terms that you might relate to better, around here that's like getting beaten by the tutorial!  You're not even a snack for the likes of User or some of our other more advanced people. 

If you're not able to do better, i wonder if this is going to be a mentally healthy place for you. 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

The issue was exactly whether a gas chamber 70 years ago could function today. That was all I was claiming. You decided yourself to read more into it.

No, he's right, you really did try to claim that the picture of a gas chamber was not a picture of a gas chamber. 

Your problem is that people are playing 'whack-a-mole' with your ridiculous contentions so fast you can't remember what your failed point was from minute to minute. 

The holocaust took place, lots and lots of people were gassed to death, hitler was not just some innocent guy who got pounced on by britian and france for no reason, the nazis were bad people.  Get over it. 

[User]

6 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

The issue was exactly whether a gas chamber 70 years ago could function today. That was all I was claiming. You decided yourself to read more into it.

No. This is a lie. 

I posted a picture of a gas chamber, you claimed it was not one. Then you doubled down trying to claim it was a delousing chamber while at the same time making the point that it was in fact used for gas... 

All in the context of your trying to argue there were no gas chambers and STILL you refuse to answer if NAZI's used gas chambers to kill Jews and if it was a holocaust or not. 

7 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

The picture you showed me was apparently, according to the 'experts', a former delousing chamber. So I wasn't actually wrong. Hitler was apparently playing musical rooms in that particular 'death camp',, which is supposed to explain the anomaly.

You were wrong, because you didn't try to claim it was both a gas chamber and a delousing chamber, no, you tried to outright dismiss it as being a gas chamber. 

You use quotes around death camp... why? 

9 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

All I said was that we do not have the actual gas chambers in the death camps today. We just have rooms that we say used to be gas chambers, but none of the infrastructure still remains. That is what you were arguing against...and you CHOSE to interpret that to mean I was claiming there never were gas chambers. But that was all you. All I stated was universally accepted fact...nothing controversial about it.

That is not all you said. 

You outright said there was no holocaust and then made the logical inference that to have a holocaust you need gas chambers and then went on and are still going on trying to play coy with saying there were no gas chambers. 

And you STILL ignore the questions. The fact that you continually refuse to answer such easy questions proves what a dishonest game you are playing. 

Do you agree that they did function as gas chambers under the NAZI's to kill Jews? Yes or No? Was there a holocaust? Yes or No? 

[Five of swords]

1 minute ago, User said:

No. This is a lie. 

I posted a picture of a gas chamber, you claimed it was not one. Then you doubled down trying to claim it was a delousing chamber while at the same time making the point that it was in fact used for gas... 

All in the context of your trying to argue there were no gas chambers and STILL you refuse to answer if NAZI's used gas chambers to kill Jews and if it was a holocaust or not. 

You were wrong, because you didn't try to claim it was both a gas chamber and a delousing chamber, no, you tried to outright dismiss it as being a gas chamber. 

You use quotes around death camp... why? 

That is not all you said. 

You outright said there was no holocaust and then made the logical inference that to have a holocaust you need gas chambers and then went on and are still going on trying to play coy with saying there were no gas chambers. 

And you STILL ignore the questions. The fact that you continually refuse to answer such easy questions proves what a dishonest game you are playing. 

Do you agree that they did function as gas chambers under the NAZI's to kill Jews? Yes or No? Was there a holocaust? Yes or No? 

The fact you have to ask me whether I believe gas chambers existed proves that your entire premise is a lie. If I made my position on that so clear then why would you have to ask the question?

 

What I was actually saying...and all I was I sitting on...is that we don't actually have any physical evidence for the holocaust. All of the evidence is based on eyewitness accounts. The holocaust is unusual among massive historical events in the way that it does happen to lack physical evidence.

 

The historians who insist the hocaust occurred will agree with that particular claim. They will say the germans destroyed evidence, concealed their real intentions in coded language, etc...and they will say the eyewitness claims of a lot of jews is good enough.

 

And if it isn't good enough, well it is simply illegal to question the holocaust. 

 

There have even been people willing to help the narrative out. For example, according to the holocaust story, there should be 400k jews buried in a mass grave near treblinka. Some dumb goy actually offered to exude some body and use forensics to prove once and for all that this mass grave exists. So of course the rabbis had to step in and insist he do not do this, because it would violate jewish burial rites.

 

Anyway, these are actual facts. Nothing controversial about it. You can confirm everything with a simple Google search.

But the subject is generally taboo and people like yourself have a sort of derangement about it. If a person speaks about the holocaust without the proper tone of reverence, then you conclude they are insane...which does not follow..and they hate jews...which does not follow.

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

https://i.imgur.com/EnfWu49.jpeg

I think that even the most hardcore Republican would find this image inspiring...

 

#troll

What's with the fascination for black women in the Demonrat party?

They're only about 7% of the population and they've never fought in any wars or built anything....

Why not black men, or Asian men/women, or native Americans? Why don't they matter?

(I'm not even going to bother talking about the concept of merit with a leftist...)

[sharkman]

34 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

The fact you have to ask me whether I believe gas chambers existed proves that your entire premise is a lie. If I made my position on that so clear then why would you have to ask the question?

 

What I was actually saying...and all I was I sitting on...is that we don't actually have any physical evidence for the holocaust. All of the evidence is based on eyewitness accounts. The holocaust is unusual among massive historical events in the way that it does happen to lack physical evidence.

 

The historians who insist the hocaust occurred will agree with that particular claim. They will say the germans destroyed evidence, concealed their real intentions in coded language, etc...and they will say the eyewitness claims of a lot of jews is good enough.

 

And if it isn't good enough, well it is simply illegal to question the holocaust. 

 

There have even been people willing to help the narrative out. For example, according to the holocaust story, there should be 400k jews buried in a mass grave near treblinka. Some dumb goy actually offered to exude some body and use forensics to prove once and for all that this mass grave exists. So of course the rabbis had to step in and insist he do not do this, because it would violate jewish burial rites.

 

Anyway, these are actual facts. Nothing controversial about it. You can confirm everything with a simple Google search.

But the subject is generally taboo and people like yourself have a sort of derangement about it. If a person speaks about the holocaust without the proper tone of reverence, then you conclude they are insane...which does not follow..and they hate jews...which does not follow.

Oh good grief.  A Holocaust denier.  Thousands of Jews gave their eyewitness accounts. Thousands of Germans gave their eyewitness accounts. Old film, buildings, Nazi doctrine, Dead bodies, experiments, torture..  Jews getting arrested and gassed.  Believe whatever makes you happy.  Please don't sully any more threads with this nonsense

Keep it to yourself at least.

[User]

Just now, Five of swords said:

The fact you have to ask me whether I believe gas chambers existed proves that your entire premise is a lie. If I made my position on that so clear then why would you have to ask the question?

That is not what I asked though. 

I asked specifically if they existed and were used by the NAZI's to kill Jews.

You still are not answering. 

1 minute ago, Five of swords said:

What I was actually saying...and all I was I sitting on...is that we don't actually have any physical evidence for the holocaust. All of the evidence is based on eyewitness accounts. The holocaust is unusual among massive historical events in the way that it does happen to lack physical evidence.

But we do have physical evidence. We have the camps. We have the facilities on the camps. We have the infrastructure that was used to take Jews to the camps. 

See, this is the dishonest game you are playing. 

3 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

The historians who insist the hocaust occurred will agree with that particular claim. They will say the germans destroyed evidence, concealed their real intentions in coded language, etc...and they will say the eyewitness claims of a lot of jews is good enough.

No, they do not. 

4 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

And if it isn't good enough, well it is simply illegal to question the holocaust. 

You are not merely questioning the holocaust. You are playing these dishonest games to assert it did not happen and refuse to answer simple questions to hide your intentions. 

Oh hey, did you say google?

Maybe you should try it out sometime. 

Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

"Any doubts about the existence of mass graves at the Treblinka death camp in Poland are being laid to rest by the first survey of the site using tools that see below the ground, writes forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls."

"At Treblinka it is clear that the ash contains many bones. Bone fragments can still be seen on the surface of the ground, especially after rain."

48 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Anyway, these are actual facts. Nothing controversial about it. You can confirm everything with a simple Google search.

Anyway... you are still being dishonest and avoiding simple questions. 

49 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

But the subject is generally taboo and people like yourself have a sort of derangement about it. If a person speaks about the holocaust without the proper tone of reverence, then you conclude they are insane...which does not follow..and they hate jews...which does not follow.

I did not say you hate jews, are you feeling guilty?

[Five of swords]

16 minutes ago, User said:

That is not what I asked though. 

I asked specifically if they existed and were used by the NAZI's to kill Jews.

You still are not answering. 

But we do have physical evidence. We have the camps. We have the facilities on the camps. We have the infrastructure that was used to take Jews to the camps. 

See, this is the dishonest game you are playing. 

No, they do not. 

You are not merely questioning the holocaust. You are playing these dishonest games to assert it did not happen and refuse to answer simple questions to hide your intentions. 

Oh hey, did you say google?

Maybe you should try it out sometime. 

Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

"Any doubts about the existence of mass graves at the Treblinka death camp in Poland are being laid to rest by the first survey of the site using tools that see below the ground, writes forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls."

"At Treblinka it is clear that the ash contains many bones. Bone fragments can still be seen on the surface of the ground, especially after rain."

Anyway... you are still being dishonest and avoiding simple questions. 

I did not say you hate jews, are you feeling guilty?

Right. So if I told you that Tibetans grinded a million unicorns to death in a temple on Mount everest, I would only need to show you that there is a temple on Mount everest to prove the story. And if I told you that all of the bodies near treblinka were actually slavs who died in the tectonic wars of the 16th cebtury rather than jews, then merely the existence of bodies there would prove that story also.

[User]

1 minute ago, Five of swords said:

Right. So if I told you that Tibetans grinded a million unicorns to death in a temple on Mount everest, I would only need to show you that there is a temple on Mount everest to prove the story. And if I told you that all of the bodies near treblinka were actually slavs who died in the tectonic wars of the 16th cebtury rather than jews, then merely the existence of bodies there would prove that story also.

Your continued dishonesty was expected. That is not all that was shown here... and now you are playing the moving the goal posts game, only contradicting yourself. First you questioned the existence of a mass grave and now you claim it exists, but it is slaves from the tectonic wars of the 16th century. And I suppose you have some made up lies about why all those slaves were buried, dug up, burned, and then buried again? All conveniently right where a NAZI concentration camp was that they tried to cover up? All conveniently there to match up to all the other physical evidence and testimony for the mass killing of the Jews? 

It is not merely a matter of your being ignorant, this goes beyond that, it is pure diabolical deception you are engaged in. Which is why you refuse to answer the repeated questions.