Why climate alarmism and carbon taxes are a scam.

[Five of swords]

On 7/19/2024 at 11:49 PM, blackbird said:

"CO2 in the atmosphere is a trace gas. 97% of that trace gas comes from nature. The total CO2 is about 400 PPM. Man only produces 3% of this trace gas or about 12 parts per million out of 400 parts per million. Out of that Canada only produces 1.5% of the 12 PPM that man produces. That is about 0.18 PPM, a tiny, minuscule, almost insignificant amount. If we used an Olympic swimming pool to represent the earth's atmosphere, Canada's CO2 emissions wouldn't quite fill a medium Tim Horton's cup. So tell me again why Canada's CO2 emissions are such a problem."    -unknown author

Well I have certainly never heard of 'unknown author' ever being wrong about anything

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Well I have certainly never heard of 'unknown author' ever being wrong about anything

He was wrong about britian and france attacking germany for no reason   

[herbie]

Just for those who missed this "Blue Marble" photo for the last 52 years and insist we shouldn't need to do S.F.A. as Canada only took only 1 little dump compared to some other country.

Edited July 30, 2024 by herbie

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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

People just aren't going to care about it as much, and can be distracted from it just like the libs did with the carbon tax for a lot less money.

@Groot This must be the educated electorate you're talking about that's going to keep governments honest.

An issues comprehension test to certify a voter is competent enough to manage the almighty power and responsibilities that come with voting is looking better all the time don't you think?

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, herbie said:

Just for those who missed this "Blue Marble" photo for the last 52 years and insist we shouldn't need to do S.F.A. as Canada only took only 1 little dump compared to some other country.

SOoooo... no logic, no studies, no science no evidence... just 'muh feels'  Well that's the left for you. 

Anyway climate change is solved. I already paid my carbon tax. 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Five of swords said:

Well I have certainly never heard of 'unknown author' ever being wrong about anything

Doesn't matter who it came from.  You can Google and verify all the information.  This is no secret and not hard to find.  Most people don't bother.

[herbie]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Anyway climate change is solved. I already paid my carbon tax.

Not solved but you do think about it ever time you pay it. That's just the first step you gotta take to climb a mountain.
But your welcome to suggest a step that doesn't require even thinking about. A step forwards. that is rather than the step backward or sit on your ass ones others suggest.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, herbie said:

Not solved but you do think about it ever time you pay it. 

True. I think 'trudeau said this would solve climate change and it hasn't done a single thing at all, maybe we should kill it and worry about other things". 

And so do a lot of people and PP is going to win an election at least in part for that very reason. 

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But your welcome to suggest a step that doesn't require even thinking about.

I can think of quite a number that we could have done.  But i can't think of any benefit to making people angry and fed up with the subject and not wanting to deal with it, can you?

Now it's going to be largely off the table.  So how did 'thinking' about it help when all thinking about it did was make people want to stop talking about climate change. 

And it's the first step? We've been working for TEN YEARS on just the 'FIRST STEP"?   So - nuther hundred years or so and we'll have it pinned down will we?

At the end of the day it's hard to take it seriously when even those who try to claim we should can't' be bothered to be serious about it.

 

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Alberta burns again. Danielle Smith cut funding for emergency preparedness for these situations, and delayed calling the Federal Government for help. Now Jasper is nearly burned down. 

And yet we still have numbskulls that think climate change is not real.

[CdnFox]

18 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Alberta burns again. Danielle Smith cut funding for emergency preparedness for these situations, and delayed calling the Federal Government for help. Now Jasper is nearly burned down. 

And yet we still have numbskulls that think climate change is not real.

Jasper was  a federal responsibility. it's a national park . They were told that they had to get the beetlekill out or face a disaster in 2017. They did nothing 

But sure, danielle smith   

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8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Jasper was  a federal responsibility. it's a national park . They were told that they had to get the beetlekill out or face a disaster in 2017. They did nothing 

But sure, danielle smith   

 

Nor are authoritarian conspiracies the only type of misinformation to be fueled by Canada's wildfires. For months, Canada's largest logging lobby group – the Forest Products Association of Canada – has for months led a massive campaign to convince Canadians logging is a solution to wildfires and climate change.

The so-called "Forestry for the Future'' campaign has spent thousands on Facebook and Instagram ads in recent months. It has also created videos and podcasts, placed large-scale ads in public spaces, paid for op-eds and articles in major news outlets and partnered with TikTok and Instagram influencers, according to a June presentation from FPAC president and CEO Derek Nighbor to the Maritime Lumber Bureau.

One of the group's key messages is that logging can help prevent catastrophic wildfires. But while critics say logging can be part of the solution to reduce the intensity and danger of wildfires, they emphasize that industry cannot be leading the charge, according to an April article by Stephen Labbé.

Elements of this narrative have emerged in the social media surrounding the Jasper fires — for instance, a post by the Cedar Trees Environment Association, a U.S.-based foundation that funds health and environmental initiatives, which claims that "the radical left is going to blame climate change while ignoring forest mismanagement in our National Park."

Other X/Twitter users, like fire ecologist Evan Frost, have fought back, pointing out that the Jasper fire will generate "lots of accusations that lack of forest [management and] beetle-killed trees are the cause of this fire behavior. Not so. These forests burn infrequently but when they do it's under drought/severe fire weather, just as is happening now," he wrote.

Despite rainfall Wednesday night, Jasper officials say Jasper is not yet safe from the flames. Still, even when they die down the disaster's online firestorm appears poised to continue.

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No offence, but judging by your posting history, you have been duped so much in regards to online misinformation, that sometimes I wonder if you believe that the fires were started by Antifa. 

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Alberta had one of the BEST wildfire programs in the world until 2019.

Despite MULTIPLE warnings, UCP cut MILLIONS from firefighting programs. We’re now seeing the consequences

MAJOR UCP wildfire cuts:

1. The UCP Eliminated the 63-man Aerial Rapattack Team

2. The UCP killed 30 of Alberta’s 127 Wildfire Lookout Towers

3. The UCP cut the Air Tanker Program by 13%

4. The UCP cut rural firefighter training in 2020.

5. The UCP made cuts to the Alberta Wildfire Branch in 2021 eliminating Wildfire Rangers & Info Officers

6. The UCP made 10% more cuts in 2022! This impacted wildfire personnel, resulting in later contractual start dates and earlier end dates

Alberta became short staffed in key roles

👨‍🚒 firefighters 📻 radio dispatchers 🔭 lookout observers and 🚒 Support logistics staff

 

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People keep saying it’s a national park so it’s not Alberta’s problem in multiple threads because they heard it on the internet.

Folks, it’s an Alberta municipality. They pay income taxes to the province of Alberta. Danielle Smith is the premier of Jasper same as any other town.

Edited July 30, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

No offence, but judging by your posting history, you have been duped so much in regards to online misinformation, that sometimes I wonder if you believe that the fires were started by Antifa. 

 

Well i guess that's a pretty good way of saying you're a bias !diot who doesn't know what they're talking about.  

The only people saying that the beetle kill wasn't a problem or a major factor is people who have an interest in protecting the federal gov't.  AND regardless any actions to protect the park would come from the federal gov't. 

A report was given to the feds in 2017. It was ignored.  It said exactly this kind of thing would happen. And now that it's happened exactly as predicted you're pushing the narrative that it was all a conspiracy theory. 

But sure. Huge stands of wood that burns like napalm that the feds were warned about had nothing to do with it. 

And nobody anywhere could predict there may be a fire in a forest and maybe do something to protect the town.

Let me guess - you're one of those m0r0ns who thinks that Justin trudeau has been a perfect prime minister, our economy is great and things are super affordable.🙄

But really, what can one expect from someone who's primary identity element is that he drives drunk and whos' big contribution to the conversation is to literally talk about shit and make weird fantasy stories about people being pedophiles. 

You're a useless person. I sincerely hope your parents are dead so they don't have to go through the shame of watching what you've become. 

Oh, and offense. 

 

14 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

Alberta had one of the BEST wildfire programs in the world until 2019.

 

Nope - the ndp started gutting it when they were in power. 

Swing and a miss again shit-boy. 

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

People keep saying it’s a national park so it’s not Alberta’s problem in multiple threads because they heard it on the internet.

Folks, it’s an Alberta municipality. They pay income taxes to the province of Alberta. Danielle Smith is the premier of Jasper same as any other town.

Nope.  Management of that forest is the sole responsibility of the federal gov't.  it is up to them to make sure that the forest is managed to reduce fire risk. 

It is a national park, it is not a "municipality like any other".  Swing and a miss stupid. 

As to cuts in firefighting... 

Alberta Premier Rachel Notley defends cut in wildfire budget | Edmonton Journal

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4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nope.  Management of that forest is the sole responsibility of the federal gov't.  it is up to them to make sure that the forest is managed to reduce fire risk. 

It is a national park, it is not a "municipality like any other".  Swing and a miss stupid. 

The municipality of Jasper is a PROVINCIAL responsibility. God are you brain dead. 

http://www.municipalaffairs.gov.ab.ca/cfml/pdf_search/pdf/SMUN/0418/Jasper_OC_253_2002_No3.pdf

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

As to cuts in firefighting... 

 

...was a provincial responsibility NOT a federal one.

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12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I have an IQ less than 80, and I watch YouTube videos and Rebel News for my information.

That explains why most of your posts here are dead wrong.

[CdnFox]

Just now, DUI_Offender said:

The municipality of Jasper is a PROVINCIAL responsibility. God are you brain dead. 

http://www.municipalaffairs.gov.ab.ca/cfml/pdf_search/pdf/SMUN/0418/Jasper_OC_253_2002_No3.pdf

...was a provincial responsibility NOT a federal one.

Jasper national park is a NATIONAL PARK.  Guess where the wood and the forest is you f*cking shit for brains drunk

Jasper National Park (canada.ca)

 A 'forest' fire starts in the FOREST.  Like - it was right there, how'd you screw that up?  And mangement of the FOREST is a FEDERAL issue because it's a FEDERAL FOREST.  That's where the beetle kill is, 

The fire didn't start in the town did it. 

Damn kid - how the hell do you get your pants on in the morning being that stupid?

 

2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

That explains why most of your posts here are dead wrong.

LOL  oh look the drunk with the fecal fetish is misquoting people because he can't refute what they say  

You're so upset that you were wrong that this is the only way you can lash out? 

Sounds like you're not the only drunk in the family, i take it your mom titled a few back when she was pregnant as well. 

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7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Jasper national park is a NATIONAL PARK.  Guess where the wood and the forest is you f*cking shit for brains drunk

Jasper National Park (canada.ca)

Unlike my link, which clearly states that the Municipality of Jasper is a provincial jurisdiction, your link says absolutely nothing. It's more of a tourist we site. Maybe try READING THE LINKS YOU POST. 

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 A 'forest' fire starts in the FOREST.  Like - it was right there, how'd you screw that up?  And mangement of the FOREST is a FEDERAL issue because it's a FEDERAL FOREST.  That's where the beetle kill is, 

The fire didn't start in the town did it. 

Damn kid - how the hell do you get your pants on in the morning being that stupid?

 

I'm not going to dignify a response, 

Edited July 30, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

The municipality of Jasper is a PROVINCIAL responsibility. God are you brain dead. 

http://www.municipalaffairs.gov.ab.ca/cfml/pdf_search/pdf/SMUN/0418/Jasper_OC_253_2002_No3.pdf

...was a provincial responsibility NOT a federal one.

Here you go, just because you're obviously unfamiliar with the area or how maps work .

 

You see the part in green?

That's the NATIONAL FOREST. 

You see where it says the wildfire started? That's in the national forest.  It's no where near jasper. 

Do you know who manages the National Forest where the FOREST FIRE started? Think carefully now... is it Jasper? NOPE. Is it the province? NOPE.  

Is it..... the feds?  DING DING DING!!!! 

No wonder you focus on shit all the time, you are what you eat. 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, DUI_Offender said:

Unlike my link, which clearly states that the Municipality of Jasper is a provincial jurisdiction, your link says absolutely nothing.

It literally says it's a national park you illiterate drunk. 

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It's more of a tourist we site. Maybe try READING THE LINKS YOU POST. 

The one where it says its a parks canada site?

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I'm not going to dignify a response,

Because you already know you're wrong and that's why you're doing cheap little things like misquoting people deliberately

You're the kind of loser who lashes out like a child when he realizes he's made a mistake and wants his own stupidity to be evreyone else's fault.  You clearly know you were wrong and you look stupid so of course you run with your tail between your legs.  Dumbass. 

Well at least people can see you for what you are.  And maybe you should get some help with that drinking, obviously it's still a problem. 

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2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Here you go, just because you're obviously unfamiliar with the area or how maps work .

 

You see the part in green?

That's the NATIONAL FOREST. 

You see where it says the wildfire started? That's in the national forest.  It's no where near jasper. 

And it is located in the Municipality of Jasper, where the province is responsible for maintaining the land:

https://www.jasper-alberta.ca/p/how-your-government-works

This is a typical case of a intellectually challenged forum poster, not wanting to admit they are wrong. 

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Do you know who manages the National Forest where the FOREST FIRE started? Think carefully now... is it Jasper? NOPE. Is it the province? NOPE.  

It's the province of Alberta. 

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Is it..... the feds?  DING DING DING!!!! 

No wonder you focus on shit all the time, you are what you eat. 

You eat my shit. When I take a dump in your mouth, it actually improves the smell of your breath, since so many homeless people with stomach bugs dump in your mouth all the time. 

[CdnFox]

54 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

And it is located in the Municipality of Jasper, where the province is responsible for maintaining the land:

https://www.jasper-alberta.ca/p/how-your-government-works

This is a typical case of a intellectually challenged forum poster, not wanting to admit they are wrong. 

It's the province of Alberta. 

You eat my shit. When I take a dump in your mouth, it actually improves the smell of your breath, since so many homeless people with stomach bugs dump in your mouth all the time. 

Your own link says you're a liar.  From YOUR LINK. 

The Municipality of Jasper is responsible for things like: 

• road clearing and maintenance
• water treatment and supply
• community centers
• collecting municipal taxes 
• making and enforcing bylaws 
• managing waste

Because of Jasper’s unique location within a National Park, the local government does not have control over land use and planning. Parks Canada is responsible for land use planning, development and environmental matters. 

 

THAT IS YOUR LINK YOU F*KING TARD. 

Thank you for taking the time to prove i was right you drunk loser.  Maybe next time drink less and think more. 

Sounds like you've been eating enough shit for everyone. 

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5 hours ago, herbie said:

Not solved but you do think about it ever time you pay it.

That literally makes no sense. It also would turn most against you, especially if you're dealing with more people struggling financially post covid. You would consider keeping the tax stable, vs increasing it, especially if it isn't solving anything.

5 hours ago, herbie said:

That's just the first step you gotta take to climb a mountain.

The first step, is heavy handed preparation. You don't climb mount Everest, without preparing for it. Many have died trying, meaning you must train for the task. Nothing if left to chance, you truly must plan for something like this. There is a plan, and an end game to this. Everything is accounted for. Oxygen, tools, rations, etc.

You're using a horrible example, to describe the carbon tax. Nobody knows specifically how this is doing anything. Trudeau typically points to 80% of people being better off. How, when this affects the cost of anything that relies on fuel?

5 hours ago, herbie said:

A step forwards.

That's subjective.

Virtue signaling, doesn't equate to actual results.

2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

You eat my shit. When I take a dump in your mouth, it actually improves the smell of your breath, since so many homeless people with stomach bugs dump in your mouth all the time. 

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6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Your own link says you're a liar.  From YOUR LINK. 

The Municipality of Jasper is responsible for things like: 

• road clearing and maintenance
• water treatment and supply
• community centers
• collecting municipal taxes 
• making and enforcing bylaws 
• managing waste

Because of Jasper’s unique location within a National Park, the local government does not have control over land use and planning. Parks Canada is responsible for land use planning, development and environmental matters. 

 

THAT IS YOUR LINK YOU F*KING TARD. 

Thank you for taking the time to prove i was right you drunk loser.  Maybe next time drink less and think more. 

Sounds like you've been eating enough shit for everyone. 

If anything, you are just proving my point. Alberta is responsible for all the services, while "Parks Canada" does  have control over planning and development.

It says nothing about firefighting or handling emergency situations. 

Edited July 30, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

..... gov't doesn't even return the money it's just a tax. 

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Nope.  He'll do SOMETHING ....

There's a lot of options. I think you're being deliberately obtuse if you're going to claim there's no tech possible to invest in.  There's advanced battery research, there's carbon capture, there's nuclear energy, all kinds of things.

Doesn't need to be new. In fact not new is better. It's much easier to implement something people are already doing. 

He'll just pay for an extra million trees or the like (Something trudeau promised) and it'll cost about half a million dollars to subsidize and bob's yer uncle. 

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A tax is a tax, regardless by whatever government is in power.

OK, he'll do "something"? LOL

Not being obtuse at all. I do to know what you mean when you say "invest in tech". What tech are you talking about? You said  "Are you suggesting there's NO tech that would make a difference to climate change?J ust like the carbon tax.  But more useful." What does that mean? What is tech is more useful than carbon tax? Are you suggesting he take the tax money and invest in this "tech"?

As far as planting trees is concerned, we are and have been planting many millions of trees annually  for many decades. One million more is meaningless . I m glad I made you aware of the huge tree planting effort that has been ongoing by governments and the forest indutry.