Project 2025

[Deluge]

13 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

It's just a collection of platitudes and cliches that are too vague to inform a serious platform.

I hope not. I hate to think these people are just the new version of John Boehner and his sappy band of RINOs. 

Edited July 16, 2024 by Deluge

[Five of swords]

11 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I hope not. I hate to think these people are just the new version of John Boehner and his sappy band of RINOs. 

Just based on very simple logic, there is no way to produce ANY coherent policy for the usa unless there is clarity about who is in fact a US citizen and who is not...who exactly is excluded?

 

Because as it stands right now, a us citizen is defined by whether their mother dodged deportation long enough to pop out a baby, or anyone who dodged deportation long enough to be granted amnesty.

 

Basically, the usa belongs to the entire world, as long as the person who wants to become a us citizen is willing to break a few laws and deal with a marginal amount of hassle.

 

So...why does the country exist? Who exactly is the country for? Which people does it serve and which people does it fight?

 

Without clear answers to those questions, the country is totally pointless and we might as well not have a country at all.

Edited July 16, 2024 by Five of swords

[Michael Hardner]

38 minutes ago, robosmith said:

He has said he will do that.

 

Perhaps he will. I don't think it would work out the way he thinks. 

People in the USA are less subservient than the Soviet citizens were, for obvious reasons. And the ussr was not able to mandate the country to work by edict.

[robosmith]

10 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Just based on very simple logic, there is no way to produce ANY coherent policy for the usa unless there is clarity about who is in fact a US citizen and who is not...who exactly is excluded?

 

Because as it stands right now, a us citizen is defined by whether their mother dodged deportation long enough to pop out a baby, or anyone who dodged deportation long enough to be granted amnesty.

 

Basically, the usa belongs to the entire world, as long as the person who wants to become a us citizen is willing to break a few laws and deal with a marginal amount of hassle.

 

So...why does the country exist? Who exactly is the country for? Which people does it serve and which people does it fight?

 

Without clear answers to those questions, the country is totally pointless and we might as well not have a country at all.

The US has a LONG history of accepting immigrants from all over the world. Statue of Liberty says so.

In the beginning there was NO immigration control which is why the Natives got their land STOLEN.

You are way out of touch with the history and traditions of America.

[Deluge]

10 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Just based on very simple logic, there is no way to produce ANY coherent policy for the usa unless there is clarity about who is in fact a US citizen and who is not...who exactly is excluded?

 

Because as it stands right now, a us citizen is defined by whether their mother dodged deportation long enough to pop out a baby, or anyone who dodged deportation long enough to be granted amnesty.

 

Basically, the usa belongs to the entire world, as long as the person who wants to become a us citizen is willing to break a few laws and deal with a marginal amount of hassle.

 

So...why does the country exist? Who exactly is the country for? Which people does it serve and which people does it fight?

 

Without clear answers to those questions, the country is totally pointless and we might as well not have a country at all.

I agree. There needs to be laser focus on what a citizen is, because the Left has been testing the sh*t out of that ever since Biden slithered into office. 

1. Mass deportations. 

2. ALL non-citizens stay on the OTHER side of the border until they are LAWFULLY cleared to enter. 

3. non-citizens Do NOT beget citizens. ALL anchor babies are deported with their parents. 

[User]

22 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The US has a LONG history of accepting immigrants from all over the world. Statue of Liberty says so.

In the beginning there was NO immigration control which is why the Natives got their land STOLEN.

You are way out of touch with the history and traditions of America.

I swear, your ignorance of just about anything on this forum is mind-boggling. 

The US / States have had immigration policies and restrictions back to the founding. It was not until 1965 that things were radicalized by the progressive left. 

 

[Michael Hardner]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/30/politics/project-2025-paul-dans/index.html

Paul Dans has stepped down ?

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In a statement Tuesday, Trump campaign managers Susie Wiles and Chris LaCivita said, “President Trump’s campaign has been very clear for over a year that Project 2025 had nothing to do with the campaign, did not speak for the campaign, and should not be associated with the campaign or the president in any way.”

They continued, “Reports of Project 2025’s demise would be greatly welcomed and should serve as notice to anyone or any group trying to misrepresent their influence with President Trump and his campaign — it will not end well for you.”

Intriguing intrigue...

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/30/politics/project-2025-paul-dans/index.html

Paul Dans has stepped down ?

Intriguing intrigue...

Honestly the whole thing is more of a construct of the left than anything else. Some small group puts out a document that's a thousand pages long saying what they would like to see, the democrats think some of it is scary so they promote it as being trumps plan, trump of course has never read it and never will and barely even heard of it.

It seems to be kamala's line of attack right now but I just don't see it holding any water. I guess it's okay as a starter attack until she has time to sit down with the real pros and figure out something more palatable

[Michael Hardner]

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

  I guess it's okay as a starter attack until she has time to sit down with the real pros and figure out something more palatable

I don't know where it came from, or how relevant it is.  I understand there were people close to him that wrote it.  Ok, whatever.

The only thing I really have to add is that people seem to LOVE conspiracies... even the term "Agenda" is being used by both left and right to scarify things.

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I don't know where it came from, or how relevant it is.  I understand there were people close to him that wrote it.  Ok, whatever.

The only thing I really have to add is that people seem to LOVE conspiracies... even the term "Agenda" is being used by both left and right to scarify things.

Sure, and we've seen our fair share of "secret agenda" scare tactics from the left up in Canada as well. It's not new. And done right it can work well. 

But it's just not a good conspiracy.

First off, nobody understands it. It's a thousand pages long and aside from a couple of weird talking points there's really nothing in there that's quite nefarious enough to stand out on its own. Nobody in the universe is going to take the time to read it.

Secondly it's actually fairly hard to tie it back to trump who is simply saying it's got nothing to do with me. So it kind of just dies and doesn't go anywhere. It's not shady enough to be something to hide really.  And they've claimed he's said far worse so it doesn't have much bite. 

and third it detracts from more actual legitimate policy issues which they could focus on. One of the mistakes the dems made was to try to involve trump in so many legal cases that people eventually just said 'whatever' and didn't really follow any one case too much and just didn't care.  And once again they're throwing SO many accusations around that they just don't stick. They need to have one or two lines of attack and make them work, rather than trying to carpet bomb. 

They need a strategy and that'll take a bit more planning and work, 

Edited July 30, 2024 by CdnFox

[Michael Hardner]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

1. Sure, and we've seen our fair share of "secret agenda" scare tactics from the left ...

2. But it's just not a good conspiracy.

1. Yes I said left and right.
2. No, they never are.

[Black Dog]

The whole "It's not connected to Trump" line falls kinda flat when you map out the connections to Trump:

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The project is backed by over 100 conservative organizations, many led by close allies of Trump, including Turning Point USA, the Center for Renewing America, the Claremont Institute, the Family Policy Alliance, the Family Research Council, Moms for Liberty and America First Legal — the latter of which is led by Stephen Miller, a top former Trump adviser.

Former Trump administration officials who have been directly affiliated with Project 2025 include former Office of Management and Budget Director Russ Vought, former acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller, former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson, former deputy chief of staff Rick Dearborn and former Justice Department senior counsel Gene Hamilton.

Vought, one of the key authors of Project 2025, is also the Republican National Committee’s platform policy director.

 

 

[User]

8 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

The whole "It's not connected to Trump" line falls kinda flat when you map out the connections to Trump:

LOL, yeah sure, it all adds up!

[Legato]

12 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

The whole "It's not connected to Trump" line falls kinda flat when you map out the connections to Trump:

 

This map?

 

 

[Black Dog]

6 minutes ago, User said:

LOL, yeah sure, it all adds up!

You can tell Trump isn't worried at all from the multiple denials and how his campaign pressured the Heritage Fund to shitcan their director. 

[User]

4 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

You can tell Trump isn't worried at all from the multiple denials and how his campaign pressured the Heritage Fund to shitcan their director. 

How worried he is or isn't doesn't change that it is not his project 2025 as Harris is lying about. 

The fact that this is the big lie Democrats feel compelled to push shows how worried they are. 

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. No, they never are.

Sure they are.  Some really stick.  the "abortion" conspiracy theory against scheer  complete and utter nonsense but it stuck.  The first "hidden agenda" attack against harper in 2004, it stuck and worked,  the 'conservatives want to kill your grandma with covid" attacks in the 2021 election. 

"good" doesn't mean they're true. It means they're effective. 

Others fall on their face.  The "Soldiers in our streets" campaign against harper in 2006 for example. 

This one however just doesn't have the hallmarks of a good one.  It's too clunky, it's not really scary enough, and nobody really understands it. 

[reason10]

On 7/15/2024 at 1:03 PM, robosmith said:

Wow! You're even further off your rocker than I thought possible. LMAO

And you're even DUMBER than we thought possible.

[Black Dog]

21 hours ago, User said:

How worried he is or isn't doesn't change that it is not his project 2025 as Harris is lying about. 

The fact that this is the big lie Democrats feel compelled to push shows how worried they are. 

It is "his" in the sense that it's what his administration will push if he's reelected, regardless of his own personal investment in it.

[reason10]

On 7/15/2024 at 2:03 PM, Michael Hardner said:

It's very amusing for a centrist to lean back and watch people throw accusations around "Agendas".  First it was the Chuds screaming about Agenda 2030 from the UN and now liberals screaming about Agenda 2025.

The only difference is that the UN Agenda says things like "we need sustainable energy" and the Heritage one says "No abortion pills" so it's more specific and arguably more scary.

But we actually have a public forum for discussing and screaming about ideas.  We still have that.

See, when CHUDS like you utter such ignorance it makes the rest of us wonder if you LIBERALS spend most of your time high on crystal meth. To bring that small mind of yours up to speed on this issue (and if you half wits had actually LOOKED at the actual text of Project 2025, you would see that it is HUGE, covers a lot of topics and has many different authors) there are THIRTY different subjects in this document. And I'll guarantee you goose steppers haven't read even ONE of them. They require downloading PDF files and they are VERY complicated and dense. Small minds rarely can get past one or two  paragraphs.

This is a small excerpt from the section "Department of Health And Human Services"

Since its approval more than 20 years ago, mifepristone has been associated with
26 deaths of pregnant mothers, over a thousand hospitalizations, and thousands
more adverse events, but that number does not account for all complications. Of
course, this does not count the hundreds of thousands to millions of babies whose
lives have been unjustly taken through chemical abortion. FDA should therefore:
l Reverse its approval of chemical abortion drugs because the
politicized approval process was illegal from the start. The FDA
failed to abide by its legal obligations to protect the health, safety, and
welfare of girls and women. It never studied the safety of the drugs
under the labeled conditions of use, ignored the potential impacts of the
hormone-blocking regimen on the developing bodies of adolescent girls,
disregarded the substantial evidence that chemical abortion drugs cause
more complications than surgical abortions, and eliminated necessary
safeguards for pregnant girls and women who undergo this dangerous drug
regimen. Furthermore, at no point in the past two decades has the FDA ever
acknowledged or addressed federal laws that prohibit the distribution of
abortion drugs by postal mail; to the contrary, the FDA has permitted and
actively encouraged such activity.

This is a HEALTH issue for the FDA to consider. Pregnant mothers are dying, being hospitalized and otherwise victimized by this defective drug. It NEVER should have been approved.

Oh, and mifepristone is not the ONLY drug capable of inducing an abortion.

The only thing SCARY is stupid people who just believe what other ignoramuses have to say, without doing any research. Laziness and stupidity is a dangerous combination.

By the way, LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT TRUMP has already said he is not opposed to the abortion pill. So unless you think KKKamala Harris will somehow grow a brain and oppose it herself, it will remain on the market.

[reason10]

On 7/15/2024 at 3:05 PM, Fluffypants said:

What annoys me about Project 2025 they keep trying to link it to Trump and Trump has nothing to do with it.

 

 

The 1diots who say that have not read it. They lack the brains to do so. It is a very complicated and long document.

 

On 7/16/2024 at 1:33 PM, robosmith said:

He has said he will do that.

 

That is a lie and you are a LIAR.

[User]

37 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

It is "his" in the sense that it's what his administration will push if he's reelected, regardless of his own personal investment in it.

Where did you get this from? Certainly not Trump or his campaign. 

You are just making crap up, because you are a liar. 

[Black Dog]

Just now, User said:

Where did you get this from? Certainly not Trump or his campaign. 

You are just making crap up, because you are a liar. 

You must think everyone else is as stupid and gullible as your fellow Trump supporters.

 

 

[User]

6 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

You must think everyone else is as stupid and gullible as your fellow Trump supporters.

 

 

You are the one pushing crap you can't support. It appears you have fallen for the lefts lies. If you are so concerned with being stupid and gullible, why are you mindlessly parroting these left-wing talking points you can't back up?

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

You must think everyone else is as stupid and gullible as your fellow Trump supporters.

 

 

OH look - yet again something is true because you want it to be and you can't articulate a reason.  Shocking. Yawn.