DEI destroying Secret Service

[User]

Holy Crap. Watch this video. We are only recruiting the best for the Secret Service and not just trying to promote women to the detail just because they want more women on the detail...

I have friends I served with in the Marine Corps who spent their entire carrerrs with the Uniformed Secret Service just hoping, praying, training and killing themselves trying to get on the protective details. 

Then I see videos like this. What a load of shit. 

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1812487522267652129

[Moonlight Graham]

Political correctness erodes society.  Merit should trump "virtue".  Merit over identity is the backbone of liberalism and liberal democracy, of MLK's philosophy.

Society has become far too soft.  Everyone's feelings are hurt.  We need to stop giving everyone's feelings so much attention.  Good intentions but bad results.  Truth > feelings.

Edited July 14, 2024 by Moonlight Graham

[User]

You can't say with any honesty that there were not better, more qualified men that were passed over for being on a protective detail for those 3 women. 

[Moonlight Graham]

10 minutes ago, User said:

You can't say with any honesty that there were not better, more qualified men that were passed over for being on a protective detail for those 3 women. 

Women who are just as qualified as men to be SS should be allowed.  But there's not a lot of SS, so it would be extremely rare for a woman to be the most qualified to be a SS over the most qualified men.

Feminists should accept these truths, instead of the lies of "women are just as capable as men" in the physical realm.  They support delusions so they don't have to "feel bad".  Get over it and deal with reality.  Sometimes the truth is uncomfortable.  Many didn't want to accept Galileo and Darwin's theories either.

Edited July 14, 2024 by Moonlight Graham

[I am Groot]

There is a place for women in policing and the military. For the most part, these are not overly physically demanding jobs for anyone reasonably fit. Except for that small number of times when they absolutely ARE. And those tend to be the most critical times. Very, very few women are up to the task there due to simple, undeniable physical and biological limitations on them set by nature. And given few women even bother to apply, the DEI effort to get the number up as high as possible leads to people getting taken on and promoted far beyond their abilities and experience. 

We see that in other occupations, too, like politics, like our federal cabinet, for one.

Edited July 14, 2024 by I am Groot

[Dougie93]

one thing you used to be able to rely on, was that the Secret Service was the gold standard of protective details

yet in this attempted assassination of Trump, they present as being amateur hour

the building just a few hundred yards from the President being the most obvious sniper overlook

and yet not only do they have no agents securing that building particularly on the roof

they don't even notice when a sniper with an AR15 climbs up there and starts moving into position to shoot

he only gets spotted by the citizens in the crowd,

who start desperately trying to point him out to the Secret Service

and still they don't react, with the shooter actually getting multiple aimed shots off,

furthermore they then botch the evacuation of the President

since by the standards of the Secret Service of yore

he should have been grabbed and rushed to the armoured limousine in seconds

instead they are sitting there in the kill zone for minutes after

even knowing how all the institutions are collapsing under the weight of a Communist revolution

this debacle is still shockingly inept,

to the point where one might suspect collusion to get Trump assassinated somehow

Edited July 14, 2024 by Dougie93

[User]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

that one is still shockingly inept, to the point where one might suspect collusion to get Trump assassinated somehow

Oh, I agree with the sentiment, but experience tells me conspiracies of that magnitude are highly improbable; idiocy is almost always the right answer. 

We had signs around Iraq on base, they said: "Complacency Kills"

Most days nothing happened. Most days were normal. Most days were boring. We don't train for most days though, we train for the days that are not normal, where we must be exceptional. Lives depend on it. 

No... there was no conspiracy here. It was just complacency compiled with stupidity of policies like DEI. The Secret Service is going to have to do a lot of soul searching because the entire point of their existence today, was almost a catastrophic failure by a matter of mere inches. 





 

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, User said:

Oh, I agree with the sentiment, but experience tells me conspiracies of that magnitude are highly improbable; idiocy is almost always the right answer.

it's not that I suspect the rank & file agents of plotting against Trump

more like the senior brass is deliberately under resourcing them

to incite inevitable gaps in the overall security perimeter

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, User said:

 

We had signs around Iraq on base, they said: "Complacency Kills"

 

well speaking of military operations

another shocking thing is that the Secret Service doesn't apparently have any UAS

I mean, I own a drone which could have been hovering in overwatch of that building

yet somehow the 4 Trillion dollar federal government doesn't provide them to the Secret Service ?

Edited July 14, 2024 by Dougie93

[User]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it's not that I suspect the rank & file agents of plotting against Trump

more like the senior brass is deliberately under resourcing them

to incite inevitable gaps in the overall security perimeter

Eh, there might be some politics going on with how much protection he was allocated, but that doesn't make up for the DEI crap, the communications failures with how a credible threat was reported, how with the resources they had on hand already none were covering a building like that, that the sniper who did see it seemed to be in disbelief long enough for the guy to get shots off before responding to take him out... 

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, User said:

Most days nothing happened. Most days were normal. Most days were boring. We don't train for most days though, we train for the days that are not normal, where we must be exceptional. Lives depend on it.

but this is not the infantry overburdened with endless taskings

this is the Secret Service, which only has one tasking

and unlike the attempted assassination of President Reagan, this was not precariously on the move

this was at a static positions in which they had days in advance to prepare for

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, User said:

Eh, there might be some politics going on with how much protection he was allocated, but that doesn't make up for the DEI crap, the communications failures with how a credible threat was reported, how with the resources they had on hand already none were covering a building like that, that the sniper who did see it seemed to be in disbelief long enough for the guy to get shots off before responding to take him out... 

according to the citizens who spotted the shooter first and then tried to alert the Secret Service

the only security in the vicinity of this obvious sniper position building

were some local police whom were untrained for the mission and so not surprisingly slow to react

[Moonlight Graham]

DEI is probably going to erode many things in society, because merit takes a backseat to PC virtue.

Trudeau's ENTIRE security detail are non-white.  I find that odd.  Hopefully they are highly qualified.

 

About 40 years without someone getting a shot off at a POTUS, right?  Not a streak you want broken.

[sharkman]

Here’s another one for you, the current director of the Secret Service assumed her role in 2022.  Her previous position?  Head of security for Pepsi.

Trump’s team insist over the denials of the Biden(?) administration that they have been requesting for more protection repeatedly, to no avail.  

Bongino, who seems to have contacts within both the Secret Service and Trump’s security detail, is saying this is what he’s hearing as well.  We know that a bill was introduced to remove protection on Trump if he was to be convicted of some of the charges.

It all looks pretty disgusting.

Edited July 14, 2024 by sharkman

[sharkman]

Can someone please fact check me on this?  Because last night apparently a representative for the Secret Service said that adjoining properties to the Trump venue tasked by the local police.

https://nypost.com/2024/07/14/us-news/secret-service-blames-local-police-says-it-was-tasked-with-securing-properties-surrounding-trumps-pa-rally/

“Instead, securing and patrolling the factory grounds of AGR International Inc. — located about 130 yards from the stage where Trump was speaking Saturday — was the responsibility of local Pennsylvania police, Secret Service representative Anthony Gugliemi said, according to the New York Times.”

 

I have seen a video that shows the police swat sniper team on a roof watching the young Thomas Crooks as he crawls into place and then fires at Trump.  They flinch as the bullets start flying, but do not shoot until at least 5 bullets have been fired.

Ill try to find that video.

Edited July 15, 2024 by sharkman

[Deluge]

22 hours ago, User said:

Holy Crap. Watch this video. We are only recruiting the best for the Secret Service and not just trying to promote women to the detail just because they want more women on the detail...

I have friends I served with in the Marine Corps who spent their entire carrerrs with the Uniformed Secret Service just hoping, praying, training and killing themselves trying to get on the protective details. 

Then I see videos like this. What a load of shit. 

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1812487522267652129

The bumbling bunnies was pretty comical, but the hope, of course, is that Trump gets a REAL security team for himself. 

[User]

26 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Can someone please fact check me on this?  

I can believe that they coordinate with local law enforcement... BUT, that does not abdicate their responsibility. 

They should have someone on the SS that is overseeing these things, setting standards and expectations, and following up on them. 

If LEO was not doing the job SS expected, someone from SS should have been overseeing them. 

That also doesn't explain the communications gap, that people were screaming to local police about the guy being on the roof with a gun... why were local police not able to communicate that to the SS?

I have seen the video you mention. Yes, from the reports I have seen, that counter sniper likely did have the shooter in his sights, but it was likely a mix of 2 things: policy stating they can't shoot someone first and not knowing for sure what the guy was doing up there. This explains why the counter sniper was able to engage so quickly; he looked like he was surprised someone was up there and not sure until the shots were fired, then he reacted to neutralize the shooter. 
 

[User]

I have also heard reports that some of the folks on the detail that day were not real SS. They were DHS officers filling in gaps. 

So, not sure on who/how many were not really SS officers that were in suits that day. I am sure we will keep learning more... but even then, being on a protective detail is often a BIG deal. Folks volunteer for that stuff, so even if DHS officers... the question is why are they not sending the best?

DEI

[sharkman]

As well,

7 minutes ago, User said:

I can believe that they coordinate with local law enforcement... BUT, that does not abdicate their responsibility. 

They should have someone on the SS that is overseeing these things, setting standards and expectations, and following up on them. 

If LEO was not doing the job SS expected, someone from SS should have been overseeing them. 

That also doesn't explain the communications gap, that people were screaming to local police about the guy being on the roof with a gun... why were local police not able to communicate that to the SS?

I have seen the video you mention. Yes, from the reports I have seen, that counter sniper likely did have the shooter in his sights, but it was likely a mix of 2 things: policy stating they can't shoot someone first and not knowing for sure what the guy was doing up there. This explains why the counter sniper was able to engage so quickly; he looked like he was surprised someone was up there and not sure until the shots were fired, then he reacted to neutralize the shooter. 
 

So they would not shoot first, I've heard that as well.  My issue is this:  when Crooks was spotted crawling into position, and reported by crowd members to the police, and obviously seen by the counter sniper team, why was Trump not immediately taken off stage, moved to safety?  That does not make any sense.

 

[User]

2 minutes ago, sharkman said:

So they would not shoot first, I've heard that as well.  My issue is this:  when Crooks was spotted crawling into position, and reported by crowd members to the police, and obviously seen by the counter sniper team, why was Trump not immediately taken off stage, moved to safety?  That does not make any sense.

Oh, I agree 100%. There was a failure somewhere there. My best guess is the communications and idiocy. 

I imagine it went like this:

-People start telling police someone climbed on the roof
-Police likely don't react as if it was a deadly threat, meander over to investigate
-People start yelling about a guy with a gun on the roof
-Police are still going to investigate, no one bothers to communicate the possible threat over communication channels 
OR
-Communication channels are too bureaucratic, police have no direct comms to Agents, there is some buffer somewhere or HQ where the information is relayed to and through stupidity or gross incompetence or just bad timing, no one relays the message to agents. 
OR
-Information does make it to the agents, someone made bad decision to continue investigations, which is maybe why the counter sniper was already on target investigating, all out of an abundance of not wanting to over react and get Trump off stage... 

Although, if they did know someone was up there and were investigating, the agents still could have moved into a better position to flank Trump on the side of the stage while letting him continue to speak they could have formed a wall on that side facing the threat of what they were investigating... but I have no idea what their policies are... but whatever they were, clearly they need reviewed. 
 

[ironstone]

Who knows if anyone is going to be fired over this? The security at this event was just awful.

Scroll ahead to 2:40 in this video to see how much time elapsed when something could have been done to stop him.

 

[sharkman]

47 minutes ago, User said:

Oh, I agree 100%. There was a failure somewhere there. My best guess is the communications and idiocy. 

I imagine it went like this:

-People start telling police someone climbed on the roof
-Police likely don't react as if it was a deadly threat, meander over to investigate
-People start yelling about a guy with a gun on the roof
-Police are still going to investigate, no one bothers to communicate the possible threat over communication channels 
OR
-Communication channels are too bureaucratic, police have no direct comms to Agents, there is some buffer somewhere or HQ where the information is relayed to and through stupidity or gross incompetence or just bad timing, no one relays the message to agents. 
OR
-Information does make it to the agents, someone made bad decision to continue investigations, which is maybe why the counter sniper was already on target investigating, all out of an abundance of not wanting to over react and get Trump off stage... 

Although, if they did know someone was up there and were investigating, the agents still could have moved into a better position to flank Trump on the side of the stage while letting him continue to speak they could have formed a wall on that side facing the threat of what they were investigating... but I have no idea what their policies are... but whatever they were, clearly they need reviewed. 
 

I think you are trying to rationalize what happened.  It’s a natural response, but it may not be helpful at this point, trying almost to justify what happened.

Trump should have been removed as soon as the counter sniper team first saw the threat, at least 2 minutes before shots rang out.

[User]

7 minutes ago, sharkman said:

I think you are trying to rationalize what happened.  It’s a natural response, but it may not be helpful at this point, trying almost to justify what happened.

Trump should have been removed as soon as the counter sniper team first saw the threat, at least 2 minutes before shots rang out.

I did not try to rationalize anything. I am just taking a stab at how I think this went wrong. 

I literally said: 

"There was a failure somewhere there."

"but I have no idea what their policies are... but whatever they were, clearly they need reviewed. "

I also earlier clearly said:

"The Secret Service is going to have to do a lot of soul searching because the entire point of their existence today, was almost a catastrophic failure by a matter of mere inches. "

[BeaverFever]

23 hours ago, User said:

Holy Crap. Watch this video. We are only recruiting the best for the Secret Service and not just trying to promote women to the detail just because they want more women on the detail...

I have friends I served with in the Marine Corps who spent their entire carrerrs with the Uniformed Secret Service just hoping, praying, training and killing themselves trying to get on the protective details. 

Then I see videos like this. What a load of shit. 

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1812487522267652129

Meh if they were men behaving the same way the right wouldn’t question it for a minute. The truth is these events are always chaotic in real life, and rarely if ever look like they do in a Hollywood movie. 
 

We’re going to see right wingers using this to push a lot false narratives and agendas…already the Trump acolyte judge presiding over his document trial seized the opportunity to unexpectedly dismiss the entire case…look for that decision to be overturned just as her previous controversial pro-Trump decisions have

[BeaverFever]

17 hours ago, sharkman said:

Her previous position?  Head of security for Pepsi.

Gotta fix your ‘lie by omission’:

 

 

Before joining PepsiCo, she served with distinction for 27 years in the U.S. Secret Service, most recently as Assistant Director of the Office of Protective Operations.  In this position, Ms. Cheatle managed a $133.5M budget and collaborated with ten operational divisions and the Technical Security Division to research, develop and deploy technologies that reduce risks to protectees, protected facilities, and protected events.   

 

Prior to serving as Assistant Director, Ms. Cheatle served as the Special Agent in Charge of the Atlanta Field Office, providing oversight for all mission related investigations, protective intelligence and protective visits in the state of Georgia.  

Ms. Cheatle was appointed to the Senior Executive Service (SES) in February 2016 as the Special Agent in Charge of the James J. Rowley Training Center (RTC). There she directed and coordinated all aspects of training and career development for the organization, later serving as the Deputy Assistant Director for the Office of Training.  

Prior to her SES appointment, Ms. Cheatle was the Special Agent in Charge, Office of Strategic Planning and Policy, where she developed and deployed an innovative web-based communication platform designed to promote open and transparent communication within the organization. 
 

https://www.secretservice.gov/about/leadership/director

Edited July 15, 2024 by BeaverFever