Yale historian Timothy Snyder: How to Stop Fascism

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, suds said:

Good points! And it's why I fear the democrats far more than I do the republicans. More specifically though, how would the President take control of the legislative branch without major amendments to the constitution? It would require far more than a simple referendum or a law passed by a packed legislature. And what about the individual states themselves, who I doubt would go along with any of this and who have their own militias?

The Dems managed to ride Roe V Wade for 50 years, and that was basically just a ruling from the bench. The word abortion isn't even in the constitution yet the SC's ruling on that issue this whole time. 

Just imagine the power the Dems would have if they managed to shoehorn 4 more justices onto the SC, knowing that they all vote exactly like they're told, they'll be there for the rest of their lives, and their rulings last 50 years...

Controlling pesky senators and congressmen is much harder because they need to keep their popularity up for the next election. 

Whenever the Dems want a new law, they can just get someone to sue for something, lose, and then go to their minions at the SC to carve it in stone. How long until the Dems control every aspect of civil and election law? How long until all of the Dems' political foes end up in jail?

If the Dems controlled the SC would Trump be in jail for 50 years? 

 

The dems would LOVE a civil war right now, because wars are all about propaganda, and they own the MSM. The best thing that could happen to the Dems is if Joe had a heart attack on Oct 1st, spent the whole rest of the election cycle in the hospital while Dems everywhere said "I'm voting Trump", and then Joe pulls off a miracle election win. Incensed Republican voters would do exactly what the dems wanted them to do. 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Five of swords said:

No, danzig was supposed to be a free and independent city.

Read the TERMS of WWi surrender. Duh

2 hours ago, Five of swords said:

And Austria totally wanted to join germany...Germany actually had a functioning economy.

Then why did the German army invade BEFORE the election.

2 hours ago, Five of swords said:

And wtf lol. So Germany also has the right to torpedo any boats unrestricted. Just don't get caught, I guess 

Do you know how to read? Try again.

Nevermind, there is no need to continue this convo cause you're insane and just IGNORED Hitler's murder of over 6M civilians. Game OVER.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, suds said:

1933 Germany became a dictatorship under the Nazis by creating an emergency (the Reichstag fire) which led to the Enabling Act.....  a law that gave Hitler the power to make and enforce laws without the involvement of the German parliament. It also allowed him to take over complete power of the federal states.  In 1998, Chavez was elected President of Venezuela and immediately set out to replace the 1961 constitution by referendum. Under the new constitution, Chavez was involved in the selection process of selecting governors to head the various federal states. He also began replacing justices on the Supreme court while expanding its size by more than half. In both cases, the paths to dictatorship was nearly complete. So let's assume that Trump wins the 2024 Presidency and has ambitions of being a dictator. Exactly, how would he go about doing this? It's a question I'd like to put to Timothy Snyder.

He'll just follow the Hitler playbook and use the DoJ to arrest and prosecute (or kill) ANYONE who does not cooperate with his power grab.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

He'd need control of the federal police force, like the dems have.

The FBI is run by Republicans and has been for YEARS. Duh

Mueller, Comey and Wray.... ALL Republicans.

When are you going to face reality and stop the BULLSHIT?

1 hour ago, suds said:

Good points! And it's why I fear the democrats far more than I do the republicans. More specifically though, how would the President take control of the legislative branch without major amendments to the constitution? It would require far more than a simple referendum or a law passed by a packed legislature. And what about the individual states themselves, who I doubt would go along with any of this and who have their own militias?

They are poor LIES.

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Read the TERMS of WWi surrender. Duh

At the risk of taking sides with the neo-Nazi, just remember that the terms of the WWI surrender are universally considered to have been harsh and unfair.

That's no excuse for a million things Hitler did, but WWII cost millions of lives, we need to remember all the lessons from it, not just the convenient ones. 

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The FBI is run by Republicans and has been for YEARS. Duh

Mueller, Comey and Wray.... ALL Republicans.

The FBI lied and committed crimes for the Dems for years. They cheated on elections several times. They are as dedicated to the Dems as Engoron, Chutkan and Bragg are. They're as Republican as Maxine Waters.

Get your head out of your ass, stupid. 

[robosmith]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The FBI lied and committed crimes for the Dems for years. They cheated on elections several times. They are as dedicated to the Dems as Engoron, Chutkan and Bragg are. They're as Republican as Maxine Waters.

Get your head out of your ass, stupid. 

Get your head out of your ASS and admit you LIED, cause Mueller, Comey and Wray are ALL RepubliCONS.

But your denial won't let you admit you LIED.

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Get your head out of your ASS and admit you LIED, cause Mueller, Comey and Wray are ALL RepubliCONS.

But your denial won't let you admit you LIED.

Did they commit crimes for the Dems or didn't they? Did they influence elections for the Dems or didn't they? 

Just admit that they're Dems you stupid little liar.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Did they commit crimes for the Dems or didn't they? Did they influence elections for the Dems or didn't they? 

Just admit that they're Dems you stupid little liar.

They ARE NOT and NEVER WERE, lDIOT.

Thanks for admitting what a pig headed LIAR you are.

The ONLY influence I am aware of was Comey violating DoJ policy to publicly announce the reopening of Hillary's email investigation without even knowing that the "new" emails found on Anthony Weiner's laptop were all DUPLICATES, right at the end of the campaign.

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Five of swords said:

Uh...Hitler just wanted to unite all the germans in one country. Austria and sudenteland actually voted to become part of Germany. Poland was occupying danzig, which was a German city. It was western powers that declared war on germany and invaded germany.

Kid that's just dumb. Hitler was given tonnes of land, all that he asked for, and still declared war.  The allies didn't attack him, he attacked first and we now know he always intended to take france as well.  They planned for this, they equipped their military not for defense but for offense, he frequently talked about 'libensraum' and that military conquest was good,  this comment is easily one of the dumbest ones here and it had some pretty stiff competition 

Hitler believed that the expansion of the country through military means was the duty of the nation and that markets and businesses should be heavily regulated to support that, and that's not even controversial. That's what he said. 

Yeash. 

[sharkman]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

He'll just follow the Hitler playbook and use the DoJ to arrest and prosecute (or kill) ANYONE who does not cooperate with his power grab.

Hey comrade, could you pass the salt?

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Hey comrade, could you pass the salt?

Hey Fuhrer, could you make ANY sense?

[Five of swords]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Kid that's just dumb. Hitler was given tonnes of land, all that he asked for, and still declared war.  The allies didn't attack him, he attacked first and we now know he always intended to take france as well.  They planned for this, they equipped their military not for defense but for offense, he frequently talked about 'libensraum' and that military conquest was good,  this comment is easily one of the dumbest ones here and it had some pretty stiff competition 

Hitler believed that the expansion of the country through military means was the duty of the nation and that markets and businesses should be heavily regulated to support that, and that's not even controversial. That's what he said. 

Yeash. 

Just false. Hitler did nothing to France or the uk when they declared war.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Five of swords said:

Just false. Hitler did nothing to France or the uk when they declared war.

Just true. And you've already admitted you haven't actually read anything about this that you can cite.  Which means you haven't read anything. 

Your statement flies in the face of known facts.  And you're obviously not aware of it but in fact the UK had a treaty with poland that they would declare war if germany invaded, it was part of the deal for giving up land to discourage the germans from trying it. they did anyway. 
 

So yeah, the did something. 

ANd france was attacked directly. 

Read a book kid.  You can't learn about history playing call of duty.

[Hodad]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

He'd need control of the federal police force, like the dems have. Then he could use them to persecute his political foes, like the Dems have been doing since the beginning of the Russian collusion show trial. He could also get them to run cover for him, like they did for Biden, with the Hunter laptop coverup. He could get them to retrieve things, like his daughter's diary. He could get them to run entrapment schemes on his political opponents: certainly the FBI could round up a dozen Demis in a plot to assassinate Trump (as per the wishes of Hollywood) and then coincidentally make the arrests a month before the 2028 election.

Along with the FBI he'd need control of the DOJ, like the Dems have. Investigations into his political opponents would be never-ending, like the ones against Trump. He could get them convicted of things that no one even imagined.

He'd probably try to throw a few more SCJs on the bench, like the Dems tried to do, just to ensure that everything he runs through one of his sham courtrooms gets written in stone at the SC. 

He'd need to get control of the MSM, so that they could lie for him, like they currently do for the Dems. They could also give him debate questions, like they do for the Dems.  

I guess that the best way to go about becoming a dictator would be to do exactly what the Dems have done.

What do you think, suds? Do dictators control the police forces, DOJs, SC's and MSM in their country? Nah....

You are just stunningly dumb.

If "Joe and the Dems" and had ANY interest in dictatorship and controlled those institutions, it would be over already. But they don't have any interest in dictatorship and they don't control those institutions--nor do they seek to. 

The press gives poor coverage of Trump because he's a pathological liar and toxic narcissist with no redeeming qualities. The law "persecutes" Trump because he's a crook, and always has been. 

Only one party--or the fringe of one party--has ever tried to overthrow democracy and end the Republic 

You sound, as always, like a goddamn lunatic.

Edited July 13 by Hodad

[robosmith]

9 hours ago, Deluge said:

Experts in left-wing spin. 

It's time for you f*ckers to be voted out before you start a war. 

It's time for you to come back to Earth and get reacquainted with REALITY.

The MAGA CULT is FINIS.

[Deluge]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

It's time for you to come back to Earth and get reacquainted with REALITY.

The MAGA CULT is FINIS.

REALITY contradicts everything you stand for. 

It's really quite simple: when a democrat opens its stupid, perverted, mouth, one can take confidence in knowing that the opposite of what the democrat says is what one should believe.  

Edited July 13 by Deluge

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

It's time for you to come back to Earth and get reacquainted with REALITY.

The MAGA CULT is FINIS.

MAGA IS DONE!! It's OVER!  IT"S FINISHED!!! (in 4 years, 4 months. )

[Nationalist]

17 hours ago, robosmith said:

Nope, overruled. You are confusing POTENTIAL with ACTUAL.

AKA, no money was STOLEN. Duh.

I didn't say money was stolen...Dweebles. Brandon and his team of commies are driving another wedge between white and blue collar workers. It's a slimeball, move to warp old laws like this.

Brandon will pay for this.

[Five of swords]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Just true. And you've already admitted you haven't actually read anything about this that you can cite.  Which means you haven't read anything. 

Your statement flies in the face of known facts.  And you're obviously not aware of it but in fact the UK had a treaty with poland that they would declare war if germany invaded, it was part of the deal for giving up land to discourage the germans from trying it. they did anyway. 
 

So yeah, the did something. 

ANd france was attacked directly. 

Read a book kid.  You can't learn about history playing call of duty.

See, this is the issue with you people thinking you know a lot about the history just because you watched Steven Spielberg movies. You should be aware of what you actually do not know.

 

First of all, you are justtrivially wrong about danzig. It was supposed to be independent. That was part of the post ww1 agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig. Poland did in fact occupy danzig and basically compromise its sovereignty. That was the start of diplomatic tension between Hitler and poland.

 

But that isn't even really the point. There was also rising hatred of germans among the polish people. https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/wrsynopsis.html ...and anti German sentiment continued after the war, of course, which resulted in mass forced expulsions of germans from polish territory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944–1950)#:~:text=Those Polish citizens who had,were naturalized as Polish citizens. And this program of anti German ethnic cleansing did result in massive amounts of deaths, probably over a million, but nobody in school is taught about the German equivalent t of the 'trail of tears'...and with good reason.

 

But why? Are German and poles really do different? The legacy of poland and Lithuania basically comes from the order of tectonic knights who fought to Christianise the stubborn pagans of the east, and later fought against the Mongols. Prussia, which later became the heart of the German empire, was basically half German and half Slavic. So really it makes no sense that germans and poles would be incompatible people.

 

Just like the difference today between Russians and ukranians is rather absurd. They are not very different as people.

 

I would suggest that the hatred between germans and poles, as well as Russians and ukranians, is not organic but is e gendered by media and 'educational' institutions.

 

Prior to hitlers invasion of poland, the anti German rhetoric in Poland was quite secere...and shortly after the war started many German students were massacred by poles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)

 

To be sure, there was of course a backlash of germans against poles. Polish anti German rhetoric will naturally produce german anti polish rhetoric.

 

And who started it? Well maybe it was neither the germans nor the poles. Hitler himself had that point of view. He instead blamed a 'rootless international clique'...as his famous speech suggests.

 

But regardless he felt the need to defend the german people, who were his people.

 

Hitler delayed the invasion of poland for 2 weeks because they signaled they might want peace. Mansfield it his own autobiography mentioned this as if it was a horrible error because poles were able to use those 2 weeks to gather intelligence. Hitlers generals were far more eager for war than Hitler was himself.

 

But you will never get a more complex and nuanced perspective from pop history. Nor a simple Google search. But if you do actual research, the parallel between Russia and Ukraine is quite interesting. And I would say western powers are 100% responsible for the war there as well.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I didn't say money was stolen...Dweebles. Brandon and his team of commies are driving another wedge between white and blue collar workers. It's a slimeball, move to warp old laws like this.

Brandon will pay for this.

Issuing an Executive Order is NEVER a crime Dweebly Dee.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Five of swords said:

See, this is the issue with you people thinking you know a lot about the history just because you watched Steven Spielberg movies. You should be aware of what you actually do not know.

 

First of all, you are justtrivially wrong about danzig. It was supposed to be independent. That was part of the post ww1 agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig. Poland did in fact occupy danzig and basically compromise its sovereignty. That was the start of diplomatic tension between Hitler and poland.

 

But that isn't even really the point. There was also rising hatred of germans among the polish people. https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/wrsynopsis.html ...and anti German sentiment continued after the war, of course, which resulted in mass forced expulsions of germans from polish territory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944–1950)#:~:text=Those Polish citizens who had,were naturalized as Polish citizens. And this program of anti German ethnic cleansing did result in massive amounts of deaths, probably over a million, but nobody in school is taught about the German equivalent t of the 'trail of tears'...and with good reason.

 

But why? Are German and poles really do different? The legacy of poland and Lithuania basically comes from the order of tectonic knights who fought to Christianise the stubborn pagans of the east, and later fought against the Mongols. Prussia, which later became the heart of the German empire, was basically half German and half Slavic. So really it makes no sense that germans and poles would be incompatible people.

 

Just like the difference today between Russians and ukranians is rather absurd. They are not very different as people.

 

I would suggest that the hatred between germans and poles, as well as Russians and ukranians, is not organic but is e gendered by media and 'educational' institutions.

 

Prior to hitlers invasion of poland, the anti German rhetoric in Poland was quite secere...and shortly after the war started many German students were massacred by poles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)

 

To be sure, there was of course a backlash of germans against poles. Polish anti German rhetoric will naturally produce german anti polish rhetoric.

 

And who started it? Well maybe it was neither the germans nor the poles. Hitler himself had that point of view. He instead blamed a 'rootless international clique'...as his famous speech suggests.

 

But regardless he felt the need to defend the german people, who were his people.

 

Hitler delayed the invasion of poland for 2 weeks because they signaled they might want peace. Mansfield it his own autobiography mentioned this as if it was a horrible error because poles were able to use those 2 weeks to gather intelligence. Hitlers generals were far more eager for war than Hitler was himself.

 

But you will never get a more complex and nuanced perspective from pop history. Nor a simple Google search. But if you do actual research, the parallel between Russia and Ukraine is quite interesting. And I would say western powers are 100% responsible for the war there as well.

Only an lDIOT would claim that an invaded nation was responsible for his nation being invaded.

The ONLY one responsible for the invasion of Ukraine was Putin, they guy who ORDERED the invasion.

Are you that lDIOT?

[suds]

16 hours ago, robosmith said:

He'll just follow the Hitler playbook and use the DoJ to arrest and prosecute (or kill) ANYONE who does not cooperate with his power grab.

And what happens if they say no?  This doesn't exactly strike me as a well thought out plan.

[Five of swords]

13 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Only an lDIOT would claim that an invaded nation was responsible for his nation being invaded.

The ONLY one responsible for the invasion of Ukraine was Putin, they guy who ORDERED the invasion.

Are you that lDIOT?

And now you want to invade Russia, despite the fact Russia never invaded canada.

[robosmith]

12 minutes ago, suds said:

And what happens if they say no?  This doesn't exactly strike me as a well thought out plan.

He fires them and replaces until he gets cooperation. Haven't you been paying attention?

1 minute ago, Five of swords said:

And now you want to invade Russia, despite the fact Russia never invaded canada.

I guess you are that lDIOT since no one said ANYTHING about Canada invading Russia.

Only us Americans can and do that sort of thing. LMAO