Snopes Gets it Right To Save Joe

[gatomontes99]

Snopes

Fact Check: Contrary to Partisan Claims, Trump Didn't Call Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists 'Very Fine People'

But Joe ran in that LIE.

My bet is that they didn't want him to bring it up again because Tapper (the debate moderator) has already called it a lie.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

Snopes

Fact Check: Contrary to Partisan Claims, Trump Didn't Call Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists 'Very Fine People'

But Joe ran in that LIE.

My bet is that they didn't want him to bring it up again because Tapper (the debate moderator) has already called it a lie.

Of course he did. What trump was doing was trying to calm the waters and bring people together a little bit. His comment wasn't that Nazis are fine people per se, his comment was that there are radicals on both sides but that setting aside those political beliefs they're still good people and we need to look at how to interact with them in a healthy fashion and bring them back towards reality rather than vilify them and push them into even more radical Behavior.

But radical behavior is what the left wants right now. They want there to be a huge divide. They want everyone who doesn't believe as they do to be well on the other side and then to vilify and attack them. In their perfect world society doesn't start to heal, society goes up in flames. 

[West]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

Snopes

Fact Check: Contrary to Partisan Claims, Trump Didn't Call Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists 'Very Fine People'

But Joe ran in that LIE.

My bet is that they didn't want him to bring it up again because Tapper (the debate moderator) has already called it a lie.

Just think these lies told by cnn and Democrat politicians led to assassination attempts against Republican lawmakers. 

It sounds like Rand Paul's wife is gearing up to hit back. Right on!!!

[Rebound]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Of course he did. What trump was doing was trying to calm the waters and bring people together a little bit. His comment wasn't that Nazis are fine people per se, his comment was that there are radicals on both sides but that setting aside those political beliefs they're still good people and we need to look at how to interact with them in a healthy fashion and bring them back towards reality rather than vilify them and push them into even more radical Behavior.

But radical behavior is what the left wants right now. They want there to be a huge divide. They want everyone who doesn't believe as they do to be well on the other side and then to vilify and attack them. In their perfect world society doesn't start to heal, society goes up in flames. 

Don’t you get sick of constantly reading the tea leaves of Trump’s sentence fragments?  Why not support a person who speaks truthfully and honestly? 

[gatomontes99]

19 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Don’t you get sick of constantly reading the tea leaves of Trump’s sentence fragments?  Why not support a person who speaks truthfully and honestly? 

For gawd's sake, it wasn't reading tea leaves or sentence fragments. It was your side literally and intentionally misquoting him because you can't debate him on what he actually says. So you make shat up like there will be a blood bath if he loses. That was a lie to. There was a pee tape. That was a lie. There was Russian collusion. LIE. Hunter's laptop was a Russian fake. Big ass lie. Everything you guys say is a blatant lie.

[CdnFox]

27 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Don’t you get sick of constantly reading the tea leaves of Trump’s sentence fragments?

There's no tea leaves to be red here. It's very clear what he said and what he meant. I was actually watching it when it came out. Everybody else got it. This side hates this side, that side hates that side, there are good people on both sides.

But I do get a little tired of is constantly having to deal with the democrat need to completely and falsely take everything he says out of context and try and turn it into something it's not. He says that the auto industry will have a bloodbath if Biden is in charge of it again, the democrats scream about how he's calling for a bloodbath in the streets if he loses. Etc etc it's endless

What you're not realizing is that it makes your side look bad. Trump says enough stupid things that you don't have to make fake crap up like this. And doing so casts doubt on everything else you say.

Get a grip. He very very clearly was not claiming that nazis and white supremacists are all good people, he was very clearly saying that there are good people that unfortunately are on that side of the fence reach out to everybody

Honestly, the desperation is horrible.

[Rebound]

8 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

For gawd's sake, it wasn't reading tea leaves or sentence fragments. It was your side literally and intentionally misquoting him because you can't debate him on what he actually says. So you make shat up like there will be a blood bath if he loses. That was a lie to. There was a pee tape. That was a lie. There was Russian collusion. LIE. Hunter's laptop was a Russian fake. Big ass lie. Everything you guys say is a blatant lie.

I viewed Biden’s video. He told the truth. He said he decided to run for President after he saw Trump make the “good people on both sides” comment.  
 

Personally, I don’t think there are good people on the “keep statues of Confederate Generals in government spaces” side, unless that public space is a museum. It was never good to memorialize Confederate generals, and it certainly was offensive and frightening to black people.  

[Deluge]

32 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Don’t you get sick of constantly reading the tea leaves of Trump’s sentence fragments?  Why not support a person who speaks truthfully and honestly? 

Sage advice for the democrats. 

Biden might be the biggest liar in Washington. 

[Rebound]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There's no tea leaves to be red here. It's very clear what he said and what he meant. I was actually watching it when it came out. Everybody else got it. This side hates this side, that side hates that side, there are good people on both sides.

But I do get a little tired of is constantly having to deal with the democrat need to completely and falsely take everything he says out of context and try and turn it into something it's not. He says that the auto industry will have a bloodbath if Biden is in charge of it again, the democrats scream about how he's calling for a bloodbath in the streets if he loses. Etc etc it's endless

What you're not realizing is that it makes your side look bad. Trump says enough stupid things that you don't have to make fake crap up like this. And doing so casts doubt on everything else you say.

Get a grip. He very very clearly was not claiming that nazis and white supremacists are all good people, he was very clearly saying that there are good people that unfortunately are on that side of the fence reach out to everybody

 

Which people on the “Keep statues of Confederate generals in front of courthouses” side are the “good” ones? 
 

Specifically, here’s a list of groups that participated in that rally. Which is the good one?

National Front

Ku Klux Klan

The Daily Stormer

The Right Stuff

Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights

Identify Evropa

Edited June 24, 2024 by Rebound

[gatomontes99]

3 minutes ago, Rebound said:

I viewed Biden’s video. He told the truth. He said he decided to run for President after he saw Trump make the “good people on both sides” comment.  
 

Personally, I don’t think there are good people on the “keep statues of Confederate Generals in government spaces” side, unless that public space is a museum. It was never good to memorialize Confederate generals, and it certainly was offensive and frightening to black people.  

Yeah, ok, whatever. Back pedal all you want. I don't know any one that was threatened by a statue.

But Biden absolutely lied. He said Trump called neo nazis and white supremacist fine people. The truth was Trump totally denounced them.

[Rebound]

Just now, gatomontes99 said:

Yeah, ok, whatever. Back pedal all you want. I don't know any one that was threatened by a statue.

But Biden absolutely lied. He said Trump called neo nazis and white supremacist fine people. The truth was Trump totally denounced them.

Let’s say a statue of a Confederate general is placed in front of a courthouse, and you’re a black person being tried in that courthouse, and the judge displays a Confederate flag behind his seat?  Wouldn’t you feel threatened by that?

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Which people on the “Keep statues of Confederate generals in front of courthouses” side are the “good” ones? 

Ted's a pretty decent guy.  (what are you, an !diot?)

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Specifically, here’s a list of groups that participated in that rally. Which is the good one?

Ahhh so we're switching from people to groups. I seeeeee  

Do you have a quote where Trump said "there's good GROUPS on both sides"?   No? Hmmm  Imagine that  

 

Here's the deal. And you're not going to like hearing this but it is the truth.

There are some seriously ill people on both sides of the fence. That is true. However it's also true that there are a lot of people on both sides who are genuinely good people for the most part. Including on the save the statue side, people who aren't terribly racist or you hating Nazis, but are good people who raise their families as best they can and love their wife and children and donate in their communities but who have ideas that you and i may not agree with regarding the history or about the people who want to tear those statues down. 

And if all you do is vilify all of those people you close the door to any discussion or any reconciliation or any kind of peaceful settlement.

What he said is 100% accurate. There are a lot of good people on both sides. But there are serious disagreements as well and some views which are harmful. And in a correct world what we would do would be to reach out to those people and open a dialogue and try and come to an understanding

Apparently you think the best way to handle it is to stoke hatred and violence and through the brutal use of intolerance encourage those people to even greater acts in the future. That is precisely how the Nazis got started in 1924.

Trump was right, you were wrong, they wound up doing it your way and look. Hatred and hate groups have blossomed. Well done

[gatomontes99]

4 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Let’s say a statue of a Confederate general is placed in front of a courthouse, and you’re a black person being tried in that courthouse, and the judge displays a Confederate flag behind his seat?  Wouldn’t you feel threatened by that?

Why does everything have to be about akin color? It's as superficial as eye and hair color.

To answer your question, no. The judge does not decorate the court house or commission statues. The judge is probably elected or appointed by an elected official.

[Rebound]

1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said:

Why does everything have to be about akin color? It's as superficial as eye and hair color.

To answer your question, no. The judge does not decorate the court house or commission statues. The judge is probably elected or appointed by an elected official.

Because SLAVERY was about skin color.  And the Civil War was fought over SLAVERY. And a judge who displays a confederate flag behind his chair is showing support for that.  I’m pretty sure you know this.  

Edited June 24, 2024 by Rebound

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Let’s say a statue of a Confederate general is placed in front of a courthouse, and you’re a black person being tried in that courthouse, and the judge displays a Confederate flag behind his seat?  Wouldn’t you feel threatened by that?

Only a m0ron would feel threatened by it. I can see why someone might find it offensive, but that's different.

The correct way to handle that situation is not to take down the confederate statue, the correct way to deal with it is something like put up a statue of Martin Luther King right beside it. Tell both sides of the story.

If you're going to try and erase the bad parts of history, we will have nothing left. We'll go from history books to history pamphlets  

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

Because SLAVERY was about skin color.  I’m pretty sure you know this.  

Is the judges slave? Does the judge own slaves? Does the law currently support slavery?

No? Then what the hell is your point?

[Rebound]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Only a m0ron would feel threatened by it. I can see why someone might find it offensive, but that's different.

The correct way to handle that situation is not to take down the confederate statue, the correct way to deal with it is something like put up a statue of Martin Luther King right beside it. Tell both sides of the story.

If you're going to try and erase the bad parts of history, we will have nothing left. We'll go from history books to history pamphlets  

No. That isn’t “both sides of the story,” because “black people should be slaves” is pure evil. It’s not “the other side of the story.”  

Robert E Lee was not a great man. He lead hundreds of thousands to their deaths for one reason only: To maintain slavery of black people. 

Pro-Confederacy is Pro-slavery, and that is as evil as Satan worship.  We don’t put monuments to satan in public parks and we don’t put monuments to pro-slavers there either.  

Edited June 24, 2024 by Rebound

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

No. That isn’t “both sides of the story,” because “black people should be slaves” is pure evil. It’s not “the other side of the story.”  

Robert E Lee was not a great man. He lead hundreds of thousands to their deaths for one reason only: To maintain slavery of black people. 

Pro-Confederacy is Pro-slavery, and that is as evil as Satan worship.  We don’t put monuments to satan in public parks and we don’t put monuments to pro-slavers there either.  

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As practical issues, Lee did not oppose either slavery or secession. Although he felt slavery in the abstract was a bad thing, he blamed the national conflict on abolitionists, and accepted the pro-slavery policies of the Confederacy. He chose to fight to defend his homeland.

Google is your friend...try it.

Edited June 24, 2024 by Nationalist

[CdnFox]

Just now, Rebound said:

No. That isn’t “both sides of the story,” because “black people should be slaves” is pure evil. It’s not “the other side of the story.”  

Well no, it's not 'pure evil'. That's just hyperbole. Slaves of every race have been a part of history. White black brown red yellow - everyone including the blacks has done slavery (who do you think rounded up the blacks who were sold to the us) 

It's a part of our history. IT's something we've grown past and evolved past as societies, but it's not something to just put our heads in the sand about.  

And frankly the people like Lee were about a hell of a lot more than slavery. 

You don't toss history just because some of it is uncomfortable. learn from the mistakes, honor the successes and move on. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

Why does everything have to be about akin color? It's as superficial as eye and hair color.

To answer your question, no. The judge does not decorate the court house or commission statues. The judge is probably elected or appointed by an elected official.

Yes, it's superficial. Until people mistreat others based on their skin color, as has been done both openly and subtly in this country since its founding. Then it becomes rather meaningful.

I certainly wouldn't feel like I would be served impartial justice in a place that aggrandizes, commemorates and celebrates the most famous perpetrators of injustice. 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Deluge said:

Sage advice for the democrats. 

Biden might be the biggest liar in Washington. 

Trump and you are much bigger liars hands down.

Both of you are PATHOLOGICAL. And I'll bet Trump is paying you to be here 24/7 spreading LIES for HIM.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Yeah, ok, whatever. Back pedal all you want. I don't know any one that was threatened by a statue.

But Biden absolutely lied. He said Trump called neo nazis and white supremacist fine people. The truth was Trump totally denounced them.

He ONLY changed to what he referred later after being called out on his BULLSHIT.

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

Let’s say a statue of a Confederate general is placed in front of a courthouse, and you’re a black person being tried in that courthouse, and the judge displays a Confederate flag behind his seat?  Wouldn’t you feel threatened by that?

I was once on jury duty, and when a black kid entered the courtroom and saw the jury was ALL WHITE, he immediately changed his plea to guilty, and we were all dismissed.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Google is your friend...try it.

He chose to defend the EVIL POLICIES of his homeland. Duh

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

He chose to defend the EVIL POLICIES of his homeland. Duh

You do the same thing robo-dweeb.

[robosmith]

9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You do the same thing robo-dweeb.

Name one, gnat boy. BTW, nothing evil about sending arms to Ukraine for DEFENSE. Your country is IN ON IT.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Name one, gnat boy. BTW, nothing evil about sending arms to Ukraine for DEFENSE. Your country is IN ON IT.

If you're looking to use Justin trudeau as moral justification for your own actions i'm afraid you should prepare for disappointment.