The Motivated Ignorance of Trump Supporters

[Guest]

10 hours ago, herbie said:

you're a hard leftist.

Thats like telling me I am educated, and well traveled when put that way o_O.

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

it was "a violent, armed insurrection"?

It wasn't an armed insurrection nor was it violent. You're missing the point. These people were inspired by Trump, and the very same person failed to send a strong message for them to stop, knowing the optics and ammunition this would give his opponents.

Politics is heavily reliant on optics.

Point being made, is the optics of this, were bad, no matter how you paint it, and Trump could have secured more votes from those on the fence, by being strong on this.

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

they "almost overthrow the US gov't"?

You need a lot more weapons to do so, but the attempt was there, to put withering pressure on Pence to overturn the results of the vote, which he rightfully refused to do.

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

there were some "seditious mobs" there?

What I do know, is there were people there who wrongly believed an election was stolen.

That a person had to die from such beliefs, and again, were inspired by Trump to be there, irregardless of the level of violence that was present.

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

all those yokels planned a "violent armed insurrection" and got enough people to the capitol to overthrow the US gov't without the FBI knowing? 

This wasn't planned. They were incredibly disorganized. This was in the spur of the moment.

Again, some in the news will run from the truth, to paint this as worse than it was, but again--Trump could have made a televised address to shut them up.

I get it. You love Trump no matter what he does. 

But some of us don't have any loyalty to any party. 

I have voted conservative, and liberal leaders in. I look at my interests.

For those voters (moderates), by not being clear and concise on your message, you risk sending many to Biden, who would have otherwise voted for you.

[Guest]

Maybe am crazy, but I still believe in a world where one can and should be able to choose a leader based on what they bring to the table.

Many in politics are being opportunistic in using the current culture wars, to rile up their respective bases, but as one can see in countries like Canada, if you are against someone more savvy than  you are and have failed to deliver, it can be you shooting yourself in the foot.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Maybe am crazy, but I still believe in a world where one can and should be able to choose a leader based on what they bring to the table.

 

He's a witch!!! Burn him!!!! BUUUUUURRRNN THE WITCH!!!!!!!

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

It wasn't an armed insurrection nor was it violent.

Right. So when "Trump supporters" push back it's not an example of "If they are presented with strong arguments against a position they hold, or compelling evidence that disproves the narrative they embrace, they will reject them" , it's called being honest. Yet you replied to the aforementioned quote thusly: "Literally reflective of MAGA supporters" and then went on the babble about Jan 6th.

Quote

Politics is heavily reliant on optics.

No, it's top-heavy with narratives. False narratives. Like the ones from the  left about Jan 6th. 

Quote

Point being made, is the optics of this, were bad, no matter how you paint it, and Trump could have secured more votes from those on the fence, by being strong on this.

Trump was strong on that. He was direct and quick about calling for peace.

Quote

You need a lot more weapons to do so,

So it was a lie then. Call a spade a spade, pal. Don't act like it was a half-truth or partly accurate. It was a lie.

Quote

but the attempt was there, to put withering pressure on Pence to overturn the results of the vote, which he rightfully refused to do.

Look up "overthrow" ffs.

Quote

What I do know, is there were people there who wrongly believed an election was stolen.

Wrong. The only correct answer is "There's no such thing as a seditious mob". CNN was trying to shoehorn the word seditious where it didn't belong to foster their false narrative.

Also, you don't "know" the election wasn't stolen at all, and it's 100% certain that no one knew it on Jan 6th.

The Dems had just spent 4 full years lying and committing crimes with the FBI while pretending the 2016 election was stolen, then they pretended that everyone "knew" the 2020 election wasn't stolen after just two months. How ridiculous is that?

The Dems have been caught cheating a lot in recent elections, and they spend a lot of time working on voter-fraud-friendly election reforms, which is bizarre.

Quote

That a person had to die from such beliefs, and again, were inspired by Trump to be there, irregardless of the level of violence that was present.

Again, not a ridiculous belief.

Quote

This wasn't planned. They were incredibly disorganized. This was in the spur of the moment.

Then another one of CNN/the Dems' narratives is a lie and people are in jail for 20 yrs for sedition which never happened. 

Quote

Again, some in the news will run from the truth, to paint this as worse than it was, but again--Trump could have made a televised address to shut them up.

Not television. None of them had TVs there ffs.

Trump communicated with his supporters via Twitter, and that's what he did on that day.

Using the reciprocal/traditional form of communication is an actual legal standard.

Quote

I get it. You love Trump no matter what he does. 

I'm telling the truth. What are you doing?

Quote

For those voters (moderates), by not being clear and concise on your message, you risk sending many to Biden, who would have otherwise voted for you.

Trump was extremely clear and his communication on Jan 6th was precise. It's a CNN narrative that "he never did anything to stop the riot". Again, stop believing CNN narratives. Open your eyes. 

[impartialobserver]

4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

But some of us don't have any loyalty to any party. 

There are quite a few on here and in general that can't understand that. You must be someone that looks for self identity in the form of the team/party. How can you possibly be individual and therefore not predictable?

Edited June 26, 2024 by impartialobserver

[Guest]

48 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

it's called being honest. Yet you replied to the aforementioned

If you were honest, you would openly admit that it was incredibly poor in judgment not to address the nation when you have a crisis situation, which ultimately cost a life and literally was inspired by the person who would have been likeliest to have been listened to.

It would have reassured the population as a whole, that this wasn't tolerated by the pro law and order party.

Would have reassured the police.

Reassured all media. Including pro Trump medias which literally were documented in asking what "the f*** is going on", seeing they weren't quite loyal supporters to the tune of potentially breaking the law.

IE broadcasting a lie, knowingly, that the election was stolen.

Sorry, but anyone with an education will be able to pick apart the BS coming from either side.

I don't operate pointing to the dems and or MAGA. Thats village people thinking. Tribalism.

That type of thinking will turn the US into the richest third world country in the world within a generation.

Honesty and BS. Should be called out at all times.

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Again, not a ridiculous belief.

She literally died for nothing. Trump lost the election and the cop wasn't punished for any wrongdoing.

She literally was seen as a total knob by anyone outside of Trump supporters, globally.

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Not television.

You can't read between the lines if you can't see the importance of reassuring all Americans. Failure to do so, can only lay blame onto Trump for failing to communicate his intentions to everyone.

He is getting a lot of heat for it, rightfully. 

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

What are you doing?

Telling the truth, and picking no sides. My truth has no bias behind it. The truth is objective. Your truth is highly subjective.

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump was extremely clear and his communication on Jan 6th was precise.

All Americans weren't communicated with. As a leader, you are addressing a country. That should have been included. 

I would agree he had been clear had this not been omitted.

If I tell my wife directly, there is no miscommunication. 

If I ask her daughter to tell her when she gets home, there risks being miscommunication. 

Trump did this on purpose. 

Just because some in his base can't read between lines  doesn't mean the same applies to all Americans.

[User]

5 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

If you were honest, you would openly admit that it was incredibly poor in judgment not to address the nation

Address the nation... when?

Trump made something like half a dozen communications that day, including a video address. 

 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

If you were honest, you would openly admit that it was incredibly poor in judgment not to address the nation when you have a crisis situation, which ultimately cost a life and literally was inspired by the person who would have been likeliest to have been listened to.

It would have reassured the population as a whole, that this wasn't tolerated by the pro law and order party.

Would have reassured the police.

Reassured all media. Including pro Trump medias which literally were documented in asking what "the f*** is going on", seeing they weren't quite loyal supporters to the tune of potentially breaking the law.

IE broadcasting a lie, knowingly, that the election was stolen.

Sorry, but anyone with an education will be able to pick apart the BS coming from either side.

I don't operate pointing to the dems and or MAGA. Thats village people thinking. Tribalism.

That type of thinking will turn the US into the richest third world country in the world within a generation.

Honesty and BS. Should be called out at all times.

She literally died for nothing. Trump lost the election and the cop wasn't punished for any wrongdoing.

She literally was seen as a total knob by anyone outside of Trump supporters, globally.

You can't read between the lines if you can't see the importance of reassuring all Americans. Failure to do so, can only lay blame onto Trump for failing to communicate his intentions to everyone.

He is getting a lot of heat for it, rightfully. 

Telling the truth, and picking no sides. My truth has no bias behind it. The truth is objective. Your truth is highly subjective.

All Americans weren't communicated with. As a leader, you are addressing a country. That should have been included. 

I would agree he had been clear had this not been omitted.

If I tell my wife directly, there is no miscommunication. 

If I ask her daughter to tell her when she gets home, there risks being miscommunication. 

Trump did this on purpose. 

Just because some in his base can't read between lines  doesn't mean the same applies to all Americans.

Blah, blah, blah.

Bottom line is that you admitted that a lot of the Dems' J6 narratives are lies, and then you denigrate people who defend Trump on all those exact lies.... Do you know how stupid that is?

Of course we're gonna call out CNN/Dem lies. It's literally a daily occurrence. Right now those guys are trying to pretend that Biden is mentally fit to be president. Not just now, but for 4 more years. 

You also pretend that Dems get to commit crimes and pretend the 2016 election was illegitimate for 4 years, and then pretend that everyone in America should have 100% accepted the 2020 election results in just 2 months. That's ludicrous even as a mere consideration, but to posit that crap as an obvious fact is from bizarro world.

And stop trying to pretend that Trump didn't try to stop the riot. I saw politicians failing to stop riots for 4 years: I know what it looks like. FYI Dems trying to accuse Trump of "not doing enough to stop a riot" is like Hitler accusing Trudeau of not doing enough to prevent a war.

Buddy, literally everything that you just said there would look like the same old same old coming from robodunce. Turn it around, dude, your credibility is sinking faster than the Titanic. 

[Rebound]

54 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Blah, blah, blah.

Bottom line is that you admitted that a lot of the Dems' J6 narratives are lies, and then you denigrate people who defend Trump on all those exact lies.... Do you know how stupid that is?

Of course we're gonna call out CNN/Dem lies. It's literally a daily occurrence. Right now those guys are trying to pretend that Biden is mentally fit to be president. Not just now, but for 4 more years. 

You also pretend that Dems get to commit crimes and pretend the 2016 election was illegitimate for 4 years, and then pretend that everyone in America should have 100% accepted the 2020 election results in just 2 months. That's ludicrous even as a mere consideration, but to posit that crap as an obvious fact is from bizarro world.

And stop trying to pretend that Trump didn't try to stop the riot. I saw politicians failing to stop riots for 4 years: I know what it looks like. FYI Dems trying to accuse Trump of "not doing enough to stop a riot" is like Hitler accusing Trudeau of not doing enough to prevent a war.

Buddy, literally everything that you just said there would look like the same old same old coming from robodunce. Turn it around, dude, your credibility is sinking faster than the Titanic. 

January 6 was about one person and one person only: Donald Trump.

It was not about a concept, or a group of people. It wasn't about any other election except for Trump's. It was specifically about Donald Trump The J6 "Stop the Steal" rally was organized specifically by Trump, for Trump. 

How you do get around the obvious: Over and over and over and over, Trump excoriated his supporters to do one thing and one thing only: STOP THE STEAL. He told them that America would be destroyed if they did not Stop the Steal. (Psst! They didn't manage to Stop the Steal, and America is not destroyed at all.)

[WestCanMan]

14 minutes ago, Rebound said:

January 6 was about one person and one person only: Donald Trump.

J6 was a planned protest that turned into a riot, and when it turned, Trump quickly sent out 3 Tweets to stop it.

The use of Tweets is how Trump always communicated with his voters back then.

It's a fact that Trump told his supporters to remain peaceful, and it's a fact that CNN and their useful id10ts - like you - are lying when they pretend he didn't. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

pretend the 2016 election was illegitimate

They whined, but did they encourage their voters to physically do something about it (short of heading to the polls and vote)? Did they concede defeat, and allow powers to democratically be transfered?

Tantrums about election losses are nothing new. Challenging the results. Nothing new.

What Trump did, is unprecedented. 

You just can't gaslight your way away from that fact.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

And stop trying to pretend that Trump didn't try to stop the riot.

Its not about stopping it. Its communicating to the country that you're running immediately, that you do not stand behind this type of behavior. That you urge law and order. Failure to address the country  makes it look like you are hanging your boys in blue to dry. He can read his notes and Twitter posts all he wishes.

There was no immediate national televised address. Post it, otherwise.

I can't believe we are having this conversation. I manage staff. It would be like me expecting something from them, without letting them know the vision and expectations. Then pointing to me having written it down on the white board in the meeting room.

I want something done by all, I must address the entire team, directly. 

He leads a country. You addressing your base only, alienates the entire country. Alienates the police officers who were under siege. Weapons or not.

The united stated are becoming an international joke because of thinking like this.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I saw politicians failing to stop riots for 4 years: I know

Trump was directly responsible for these riots. He was responsible to stop them as a result. Not only this, reassuring his country from a self inflicted mess.

Taking ownership. You know, adulting 101.

You're comparing apples to oranges, here.

Find me a president of the US, who directly requested for a large group of people to fight in order to extend their term in office, and then failed to immediately address his entire country to bring things back under control, alienating everyone that wasn't at the capitol rioting.

I'll wait.

Again, question my credibility and intellect, but you would be best to pick apart my argument with hard concrete facts, or the credibility am losing pales to the credibility you have failed to bring to the table.

Edited June 26, 2024 by Perspektiv

[WestCanMan]

39 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

They whined, but did they encourage their voters to physically do something about it (short of heading to the polls and vote)? Did they concede defeat, and allow powers to democratically be transfered?

Tantrums about election losses are nothing new. Challenging the results. Nothing new.

What Trump did, is unprecedented. 

You just can't gaslight your way away from that fact.

Now you're moving the goalposts. You said this before: "What I do know, is there were people there who wrongly believed an election was stolen."

Now you're acknowledging that the Dems did the same thing for 4 years that the GOP did for two months, but you've started to pretend that they didn't run a show trial and commit crimes with the FBI. 

They did way more than just whine, buddy. 

Quote

Its not about stopping it. Its communicating to the country that you're running immediately, that you do not stand behind this type of behavior. That you urge law and order. Failure to address the country  makes it look like you are hanging your boys in blue to dry. He can read his notes and Twitter posts all he wishes.

Yeah, it's about stopping the riot. It's 100% about stopping the riot. It's embarrassing that conservatives acted like leftists for 4 hrs.

Ironically this thread is about ignorance, and you keep on pretending that Trump didn't communicate effectively. 

The biggest failure in communication on J6th was CNN's constant lying.

Quote

There was no immediate national televised address. Post it, otherwise.

I never said there was, I only said that if there was one, CNN would have lied about the intent and effect of it anyways. 

Quote

I can't believe we are having this conversation. I manage staff. It would be like me expecting something from them, without letting them know the vision and expectations. Then pointing to me having written it down on the white board in the meeting room.

PERFECT!

If you wanted them to contact them, and they were all out and about, would you put an ad on TV or radio, or would you send a group message/email?

How long does it take for you to make an ad? How long does it take for Trump to get a media scrum set up? When he gets a media scrum set up, how does he deal with shrieking CNN stooges like Joe Acosta?

For someone who allegedly manages people and is therefor knowledgeable about effective communication strategies, you're woefully unaware of how to deal with these kinds of things.

If Trump was addressing the nation at large, TV would be the way to go. But he needed something more targeted, and he successfully chose that medium. He got HIS precise message out instantaneously, right into the hands of the people who needed to see it. There was no id10t like Jim Acosta interfering in his message, and that's what leftards hated most about it. 

Quote

I want something done by all, I must address the entire team, directly. 

Again, directly. You don't address the nation in general, and hope that people see it on TV and pass it along to rioters at the capitol. 

You're hoisting yourself on your own petard again.

Quote

The united stated are becoming an international joke because of thinking like this.

The US is a joke because the FBI regularly lies and commits crimes to influence elections.

If you look up banana republic in the dictionary, you always see a police force which resembles the FBI. You always see a DOJ like they have in the US. You always have one-party media like CNN and MSNBC. This is new, but control of social media is also a measure of autocracy. 

Buddy, Trump isn't making the US an autocracy. The Dems have already succeeded.

Quote

Trump was directly responsible for these riots.

Years and years of lying and gaslighting by the Dems and their MSM was responsible for these riots. The Dems' history of election cheating was responsible for these riots. The Dems' insistence on election-fraud-friendly reforms for the 2020 election was responsible for the riots. 

Do you think that after all that happened from 2016 to 2020 that anyone should believe anything they see on CNN, from the FBI, or from the Dems? How many times can those guys lie, cheat and commit crimes before a sane person starts to give up on trusting them entirely?

Quote

Find me a president of the US, who directly requested for a large group of people to fight in order to extend their term in office,

Why don't you find me one? Trump didn't tell people to fight to extend his term for another 4 years by force, he fought for a chance to get to the truth of the 2020 election.

The Dems and the FBI have such an extensive history of election lying, cheating, influencing and crimes now that you're a total id10t if you believe in American election integrity.

There's literally no such thing as election integrity when your national police force is actively subverting the electoral process every way they possibly can. 

Quote

and then failed to immediately address his entire country to bring things back under control,

 OMG dummy, it's like you just fell off a boat with your head up your ass. TRUMP IMMEDIATELY ADDRESSED THE COUNTRY THREE TIMES. 

Quote

alienating everyone that wasn't at the capitol rioting.

Buddy, if you're alienated it's because you've been propagandized, and if you've been propagandized then by definition you're willfully ignorant.

Quote

I'll wait.

Yeah, but you'll do so without any intention of listening, thinking or acknowledging.

Correction: you do acknowledge things, but only unwittingly. 

Quote

Again, question my credibility and intellect, but you would be best to pick apart my argument with hard concrete facts, or the credibility am losing pales to the credibility you have failed to bring to the table.

Buddy, those were all FACTS. FACTS that YOU ACKNOWLEDGED. 

CNN did put out false narratives that Trump supporters were correctly pointing out. Trump actually did take quick and effective measures to end the protest. His voters actually did have VERY GOOD REASONS for believing the election was stolen - just because you refuse to acknowledge them doesn't mean they're not 100% real. It absolutely is hypocritical for Dems to pretend that they got PTSD, and for them to be upset by riots that affect them directly after they spent 4 years encouraging people to riot in other people's neighbourhoods. 

There's absolutely nothing cultist about telling the truth about all of this. You're here denigrating people and then acting butthurt when it boomerangs. Up yours buddy. 

Your job right now is to find an example of me saying something that isn't true, or defending a Trump position that is indefensible, and to this point you haven't. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Now you're acknowledging that the Dems did the same thing

But they did not. Questioning results, vs forcibly trying to overturn them aren't the same thing.

Like I said. Questioning the results are nothing new.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

They did way more than just whine, buddy. 

But didn't call for a crowd to do something about it (beyond voting), refusing to immediately denounce it on national television. Again, the opportunity is yours to make me eat my words, where democrats did the same specific thing that Trump did. 

IE forcibly attempting to overturn disputed election results, yet presenting zero overwhelming evidence to support their claim.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

How long does it take for Trump to get a media scrum set up? 

He had enough time to post, so the message was out to his base.

Meaning he had time to put this out in the media, and televise it, too, if he actually cared to make sure the entire country knew his stance as well. Especially the police.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

His voters actually did have VERY GOOD REASONS for believing the election was stolen

Which am sure you will cite, proving the election was stolen.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

just because you refuse to acknowledge them

Its not a refusal to acknowledge. Its the fact that if you accuse an election to being stolen, the onus is on you to have overwhelming evidence proving your point, of widespread fraud. Something Trump failed to do. You have failed to do.

If you can't prove it, I can only assume that it never happened.

I can't show an immediate national televised address, because there isn't one.

Again, cite if he did, and I will happily eat my words.

Reality is you can't, so you try to attack my intelligence level, which is indicative of you brining nothing to the argument (ironically enough).

[Nationalist]

45 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

But they did not. Questioning results, vs forcibly trying to overturn them aren't the same thing.

Like I said. Questioning the results are nothing new.

But didn't call for a crowd to do something about it (beyond voting), refusing to immediately denounce it on national television. Again, the opportunity is yours to make me eat my words, where democrats did the same specific thing that Trump did. 

IE forcibly attempting to overturn disputed election results, yet presenting zero overwhelming evidence to support their claim.

He had enough time to post, so the message was out to his base.

Meaning he had time to put this out in the media, and televise it, too, if he actually cared to make sure the entire country knew his stance as well. Especially the police.

Which am sure you will cite, proving the election was stolen.

Its not a refusal to acknowledge. Its the fact that if you accuse an election to being stolen, the onus is on you to have overwhelming evidence proving your point, of widespread fraud. Something Trump failed to do. You have failed to do.

If you can't prove it, I can only assume that it never happened.

I can't show an immediate national televised address, because there isn't one.

Again, cite if he did, and I will happily eat my words.

Reality is you can't, so you try to attack my intelligence level, which is indicative of you brining nothing to the argument (ironically enough).

By 11Pm tomorrow night, none of this will matter anymore.

Trump is gonna stick a dagger right through Brandon and the Demoncrats will have to scramble.

They've already been caught trying to cheat and they'll get caught a few more times I'm quite sure. Except this time...no Rona to hide behind and Republican operatives will be on this election like wet t-shirts.

Edited June 27, 2024 by Nationalist

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

By 11Pm tomorrow night, none of this will matter anymore.

All Biden has to do, is drill hard on the legal woes and conviction that Trump faces, relentlessly. It will do its job, in bringing more doubt to the minds of voters who are on the fence.

Last election was relatively close, and many more now am sure, are on the fence. Bringing doubt to Trump's name, may be sufficient to sway those voters.

Guaranteed Trump won't have the time to win an appeal, before the election. That gives his opposition ammunition on him.

If Trump is smart, he remains composed, and speaks on his performance on policy alone, and leaves personal attacks out of the equation. He shows calmness, control.

He flails, and I disagree with your assessment--he is done like dinner. I guarantee you Biden is betting heavily on that.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

All Biden has to do, is drill hard on the legal woes and conviction that Trump faces, relentlessly. It will do its job, in bringing more doubt to the minds of voters who are on the fence.

Last election was relatively close, and many more now am sure, are on the fence. Bringing doubt to Trump's name, may be sufficient to sway those voters.

Guaranteed Trump won't have the time to win an appeal, before the election. That gives his opposition ammunition on him.

If Trump is smart, he remains composed, and speaks on his performance on policy alone, and leaves personal attacks out of the equation. He shows calmness, control.

He flails, and I disagree with your assessment--he is done like dinner. I guarantee you Biden is betting heavily on that.

Nope. I disagree. If Brandon tries that, he'll hobble right into a trap.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Nope. I disagree.

If Trump is cool as a cucumber, highlighting his successes, which were many, he should do great.

People remember a much easier life, when he was president.

If he's classic, petty and petulant, he will struggle to win over those who are on the fence.

He needs to show restrained power.

People know who he is. 

[Nationalist]

19 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

If Trump is cool as a cucumber, highlighting his successes, which were many, he should do great.

People remember a much easier life, when he was president.

If he's classic, petty and petulant, he will struggle to win over those who are on the fence.

He needs to show restrained power.

People know who he is. 

Indeed they do. A petulant, blustery showman...who produces great results.

They also know who Brandon is. An addled old fool who produces death and destruction.

Take ur pick.  

[Guest]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Indeed they do. A petulant, blustery showman...who produces great results.

They also know who Brandon is. An addled old fool who produces death and destruction.

Take ur pick.  

Trump's economy tanked during covid.

The true test of leadership, is when a country's back is against the wall. He failed, pointed fingers. Voters remembered.

People fired Trump, because America needed Biden's steadying and predictable hands.

Trump is unpredictable. This has hurt him immensely where he still has a chance to get votes.

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Trump's economy tanked during covid.

The true test of leadership, is when a country's back is against the wall. He failed, pointed fingers. Voters remembered.

People fired Trump, because America needed Biden's steadying and predictable hands.

Trump is unpredictable. This has hurt him immensely where he still has a chance to get votes.

The entire world tanked. Trump wanted to stop the shutdowns. He was correct in that assessment and people know it now.

We will see how the public react. Right now, the polls are heavily in his favor. 

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

But they did not. Questioning results, vs forcibly trying to overturn them aren't the same thing.

Like I said. Questioning the results are nothing new.

But didn't call for a crowd to do something about it (beyond voting), refusing to immediately denounce it on national television. Again, the opportunity is yours to make me eat my words, where democrats did the same specific thing that Trump did. 

The Dems questioned election results for 4 years and they ran a public show trial, along with the FBI, and the FBI was caught committing crimes to get that show trial going and to keep it going.  

The MSM loves to downplay the significance of the FBI's litany of crimes, but it's actually quite a big deal.

What the Dems did was actually worse, by orders of magnitude.

Quote

IE forcibly attempting to overturn disputed election results, yet presenting zero overwhelming evidence to support their claim.

There were a lot of dodgy things that happened, and the FBI obviously wasn't going to investigate crimes by the Dems.

Quote

He had enough time to post, so the message was out to his base.

Meaning he had time to put this out in the media, and televise it, too, if he actually cared to make sure the entire country knew his stance as well. Especially the police.

He did post. He posted on Twitter where his entire message goes out unedited. It makes sense that he didn't want a CNN hackjob going out.

Quote

Which am sure you will cite, proving the election was stolen.

Its not a refusal to acknowledge. Its the fact that if you accuse an election to being stolen, the onus is on you to have overwhelming evidence proving your point, of widespread fraud. Something Trump failed to do. You have failed to do.

Only the FBI can prove if the election was stolen, and the FBI just spent 4 years committing crimes to pretend that the 2016 election was stolen.

I don't know how much you trust the FBI, but I wouldn't let them babysit my pet earthworm.

Quote

If you can't prove it, I can only assume that it never happened.

Appeal to ignorance.

Quote

so you try to attack my intelligence level, which is indicative of you brining nothing to the argument (ironically enough).

I didn't attack your intelligence level, I just pointed out all the facts that you acknowledged and how they contrast with your bizarre comments.

[impartialobserver]

If Trump loses in 2024 (Which I do not predict happening)... I think that we will see another "Stop the Steal"-esque march in Washington D.C. or possibly other places. 

As for Trump stopping the shutdowns.. he was powerless. He could not stop the respective state governors from enacting the policies. The economy would have tanked no matter who was in office in april 2020. The only difference would have been the messaging. 

[Guest]

37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

What the Dems did was actually worse, by orders of magnitude.

So they asked for protesters to march to the capitol?

If so, you're bang on with your assessment.

Otherwise, you're missing a key component to the gravity.

43 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

He did post. He posted on Twitter

His televised address should have followed, immediately.

Again. If he addressed the nation as immediately as he posted on Twitter based on the time of the storming of the capitol, I will publicly apologize to you. That means, Trump was unjustly accused of a crime he didn't do.

If he failed to notify the country he governs immediately, then he failed as a commander in chief, and literally is responsible for getting an unarmed protester shot to death by keeping people in the dark of what was going on, sending politicians running for their lives, including some from his own party.

46 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

FBI just spent 4 years committing crimes

Am sure you'll provide a cite, to back your claim up.

Heresay isn't factual. "But its obvious they did!" Again, you would have an ease with proving it if they did.

50 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

your bizarre comments.

Its easy to dismiss something as weird. Dismiss sometbing as being of a low IQ. Dismissal is you distancing yourself from dialogue.

A lot harder to pick apart an argument, with a superior one.

Distancing yourself again, is you having nothing to bring to the table. 

Everything you have pointed to just about, is heresay.

Trump has heavy handed evidence against him.

Again. The FBI committed a crime, point it out.

You're otherwise trying to dismiss facts with flimsy "yeah well, they did the same" counter arguments, but light on the evidence supporting your claim.

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

So they asked for protesters to march to the capitol?

If so, you're bang on with your assessment.

Otherwise, you're missing a key component to the gravity.

His televised address should have followed, immediately.

Again. If he addressed the nation as immediately as he posted on Twitter based on the time of the storming of the capitol, I will publicly apologize to you. That means, Trump was unjustly accused of a crime he didn't do.

If he failed to notify the country he governs immediately, then he failed as a commander in chief, and literally is responsible for getting an unarmed protester shot to death by keeping people in the dark of what was going on, sending politicians running for their lives, including some from his own party.

Am sure you'll provide a cite, to back your claim up.

Heresay isn't factual. "But its obvious they did!" Again, you would have an ease with proving it if they did.

Its easy to dismiss something as weird. Dismiss sometbing as being of a low IQ. Dismissal is you distancing yourself from dialogue.

A lot harder to pick apart an argument, with a superior one.

Distancing yourself again, is you having nothing to bring to the table. 

Everything you have pointed to just about, is heresay.

Trump has heavy handed evidence against him.

Again. The FBI committed a crime, point it out.

You're otherwise trying to dismiss facts with flimsy "yeah well, they did the same" counter arguments, but light on the evidence supporting your claim.

IMO...What happened on Jan 6 has Demoncrats shaken to this very day. That's why they had Pelosi's sham trial and why they harp about it now. There was a small city's worth of people there, from all over the USA, just to protest the sh1t that went on during that election.

We all watched it happen and we've all seen the videos. As far as "insurrections" go...that was not. All that was, was thousands and thousands of American citizens who felt their presidential election was stolen. I figure it was too. This scares the sh1t outta the Demoncrats. 

Is there evidence of cheating? Fckin' Eh Bubba! Lots of it. But when it came right down to it, the SCOTUS would not hear it because they did not want to decide on a presidential election. But...millions...Hell hundreds of millions globally...know or strongly suspect the Demoncrats cheated. You would be wise to never forget that.

If this October election is suspect...whatsoever...at best the government will lose all trust and credibility. At worst...

What has always knocked me out, is the Demoncrat's level of raw hatred for Trump. And I'd like to opine on that if I may.

Ask most Libbies, "Why do you hate Trump?" The answer is generally that he's a boor. A cad. Practiced sketchy business. A loud obnoxious pr1ck. They forget that he was also one of the most loved TV and movie celebrities in the world. I didn't like his show but...anyway...Trump was a bonified celebrity. But when Trump declared war on the political class...when he openly said what everyone was thinking...he bought himself a war that I don't think anyone imagined could even happen. He threatened the Holy Globalist Agenda. He exposed it at every rally. And America loved it, because finally there was a realistic opportunity to tell these "elite" "Up Yours! We see what you're doing and...Up Yours!"

Trump threatens the global plan. THAT cannot be tolerated. There is no other reasonable explanation for why the justice system, the media, and the bureaucracy would turn on him like they have.

If he wins this...the "elite" will get even uglier.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

So they asked for protesters to march to the capitol?

If so, you're bang on with your assessment.

The Dems and the FBI went on a lies & crimes spree together.

Buddy, that's end-of-democracy stuff right there. The US is no longer a free, democratic country if we're being honest.

Quote

Otherwise, you're missing a key component to the gravity.

You're talking about gravity while completely blowing off an FBI crime spree, and all the various other instances where the FBI clearly went rogue to influence elections.

You prefer to keep your head in your ass and not even talk about it. 

I'll ask you directly: HAS THE FBI BEEN CAUGHT LYING, COMMITTING CRIMES, AND USING OTHER TACTICS (eg, telling social media giants that "Russian disinformation about a laptop was coming out and that they should block it) TO INFLUENCE ELECTIONS?

FYI the answer to every single bit of ^that^ is a court-documented "YES", but all over your replies here gloss over that fact.

Quote

His televised address should have followed, immediately.

That's a CNN opinion that you keep regurgitating.

And keep in mind, CNN's opinion is based on their own lie that "Trump never said or did anything to end the protest".

You keep saying what you wish had happened, but that doesn't change the fact that TRUMP ABSOLUTELY DID CALL FOR PEACE SEVERAL TIMES. TRUMP ABSOLUTELY DID DO THAT.

It's weird that you come here with lies, half-truths, blatant ignorance and at best a few disingenuous musings, and then you want to say that Trump supporters are engaging in ignorance. 

What you're actually saying is "IT'S IGNORANT OF TRUMP SUPPORTERS TO IGNORE OUR LIES". 

It's not ignorance buddy. When you're saying things that aren't true, it's not ignorance when I refuse to acknowledge your BS as 'facts'. 

You even acknowledged all of CNN's lies in their twisted narrative, and then you want me to believe that Trump should have gone in front of CNN on that day, and dealt with id10ts like Jim Acosta. And that's really what you want, isn't it, because if he said this on Fox News you'd still be saying the same stupid things.

Quote

Heresay isn't factual. "But its obvious they did!" Again, you would have an ease with proving it if they did.Its easy to dismiss something as weird. Dismiss sometbing as being of a low IQ. Dismissal is you distancing yourself from dialogue.A lot harder to pick apart an argument, with a superior one.

OMFG. Are you honestly saying that you're unaware of the FBI's actual court-documented criminality, admitted to and sentenced in a court of law, after all this time? 

You weren't aware that the FBI was ordered to come up with a comprehensive list of reforms to prevent this kind of illegal and immoral conduct from re-occurring in the future, and present it to a judge, like she was their grade six teacher or something?

And you're doing that while accusing others of being ignorant? And talking about other people's IQs?

JCAlmighty. Welcome to robo-world. You just matched that far-king id10t stride-for-stride. UNNNbelievable.

Quick question, where do you get your "news"?

Edited June 27, 2024 by WestCanMan