Army Guy Posted June 13, 2024 Report Posted June 13, 2024 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: I do not know anything that is in the report except what was said by Elizabeth May in her press conference.. I do know the report is top secret and only persons with top secret clearance can see it. I do know that one person that has that clearance has openly said there were no list and only one person was named and that person, an ex MP, should be investigated and charged. As I understand, the CSIS investigation and resulting report was to determine if there were any MP's engaged with foreign countries that may have interfered with our elections. As the one person willing to discuss it said, no sitting MP was mentioned. I am not "telling everyone move on nothing worth your time here" at all, what I am telling is that, as the person that read the report said there was no sitting MP's named in the report and and only an ex MP was named.is an ex MP. Speculation is just that, speculation. If you wish to call Elizabeth a liar, by all means, be my guest. Yes the report is top secret, so are the other numerous reports on this topic CSIS has crafted in the last several years...it might be mentioned that MAY had access to only one report not all of them...Your assuming that she has full knowledge of the topic , i suggested she does not , she read one report.... I did not call her a lair, i said she does not have full knowledge on the topic, or either misread the report opr did not understand it, or was lying about it take your pick anything is possible in todays politics...reading one report does not make you an subject matter expert... Once again why would CSIS craft a report on one ex MP , a report that has started a shit storm in the media...we will know soon enough someone is going to leak it to the press and the public will know... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted June 13, 2024 Report Posted June 13, 2024 1 hour ago, blackbird said: She leans toward Socialism and the left. 38 minutes ago, blackbird said: That is only my opinion. I thought you holier than thou people had rules against bearing false witnesses without evidence. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ExFlyer Posted June 13, 2024 Report Posted June 13, 2024 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Yes the report is top secret, so are the other numerous reports on this topic CSIS has crafted in the last several years...it might be mentioned that MAY had access to only one report not all of them...Your assuming that she has full knowledge of the topic , i suggested she does not , she read one report.... I did not call her a lair, i said she does not have full knowledge on the topic, or either misread the report opr did not understand it, or was lying about it take your pick anything is possible in todays politics...reading one report does not make you an subject matter expert... Once again why would CSIS craft a report on one ex MP , a report that has started a shit storm in the media...we will know soon enough someone is going to leak it to the press and the public will know... OK, you have to come up with something because it does not fit your narrative. Sometimes, it is what it is. 🤦🏾 Edited June 13, 2024 by ExFlyer Quote It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
blackbird Posted June 13, 2024 Report Posted June 13, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, eyeball said: I thought you holier than thou people had rules against bearing false witnesses without evidence. What makes you think I believe I am "holier than thou"? What makes you believe my opinion is "bearing false witness"? Or are you just playing the part of the false accuser (the Devil)? Seems to be your main occupation. Incidentally the Bible warns believers that the accuser would do that. That is a fact. Edited June 13, 2024 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted June 13, 2024 Report Posted June 13, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, eyeball said: I thought you holier than thou people had rules against bearing false witnesses without evidence. A little added comment on that. I never suggested I am "holier than thou". Simply commenting on a forum and saying it is my opinion is not being "holier than thou". If it is, then everyone who expresses an opinion must be holier than thou. I am a sinner like everyone else, However I am saved by grace. God saved me entirely by his grace. I didn't do anything to save myself. This is a common mistake many people make who do not understand the Bible or what the Christian faith means. "13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:13 " 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8, 9 So nobody who is a Christian can boast about it. One becomes a child of God entirely by God's choosing which is God's grace. There is nothing I ever did that deserves God's grace. In fact, I deserve the opposite, condemnation. One cannot earn it. Therefore there is absolutely no grounds to claim "holier than thou". Christians are forgiven entirely on the basis of Jesus Christ dying and shedding his blood on the cross. That is the atonement for their sins. Edited June 13, 2024 by blackbird Quote
eyeball Posted June 13, 2024 Report Posted June 13, 2024 46 minutes ago, blackbird said: What makes you think I believe I am "holier than thou"? You believe just about everyone else is going to hell. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
blackbird Posted June 13, 2024 Report Posted June 13, 2024 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: You believe just about everyone else is going to hell. All I can tell you is what the Bible says. I don't know who is going to hell. Only God knows. "36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. " John 3:36 KJV What does that verse tell you? Quote
CdnFox Posted June 13, 2024 Report Posted June 13, 2024 4 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: Like every other intelligence agency, CSIS is unreliable. The exceptions to that are the American NSA, the Canadian CSE, and the British GCHQ. The two facts to give us comfort are: 1. Very few MP's have access to anything a foreign government would be interested in or any influence that would be useful. 2. The foreign agents doing this are just as incompetent as CSIS, Mi6, GRU and CIA. This is a tempest in a teapot. I'll look at the liberal apologist attempting to downplay it. What a surprise. If it's a tempest and a teapot then release the names and all of the details and we can decide for ourselves. But your liberal masters will not do that because they know that it's not a tempest in a teapot it is a big effing deal which is why they've got all their little minions running around the web trying to downplay the seriousness of the situation Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
ExFlyer Posted June 13, 2024 Report Posted June 13, 2024 51 minutes ago, blackbird said: A little added comment on that. I never suggested I am "holier than thou". Simply commenting on a forum and saying it is my opinion is not being "holier than thou". If it is, then everyone who expresses an opinion must be holier than thou. I am a sinner like everyone else, However I am saved by grace. God saved me entirely by his grace. I didn't do anything to save myself. This is a common mistake many people make who do not understand the Bible or what the Christian faith means. "13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:13 " 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8, 9 So nobody who is a Christian can boast about it. One becomes a child of God entirely by God's choosing which is God's grace. There is nothing I ever did that deserves God's grace. In fact, I deserve the opposite, condemnation. One cannot earn it. Therefore there is absolutely no grounds to claim "holier than thou". Christians are forgiven entirely on the basis of Jesus Christ dying and shedding his blood on the cross. That is the atonement for their sins. Where in your book does god or jesus say Gay is Good? LOL Quote It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
CdnFox Posted June 13, 2024 Report Posted June 13, 2024 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Where in your book does god or jesus say Gay is Good? LOL It's everywhere. Jesus must have been gay, He's always saying "ahhh, MEN!" 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted June 13, 2024 Report Posted June 13, 2024 4 hours ago, blackbird said: What does that verse tell you? That God sure is one unforgiving SOB. His kid sounds a lot more reasonable. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted June 13, 2024 Report Posted June 13, 2024 6 hours ago, ExFlyer said: OK, you have to come up with something because it does not fit your narrative. Sometimes, it is what it is. 🤦🏾 I'm curious as to why Sing read the same report and got a totally different message...one says nothing to see here, the other is deeply concerned...and then there is the fact of why CSIS or the NSICOP reports suggest that something bad is going on... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
PIK Posted June 13, 2024 Report Posted June 13, 2024 May drinking again? 1 Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
CdnFox Posted June 13, 2024 Report Posted June 13, 2024 2 minutes ago, PIK said: May drinking again? I think what she said is being a little misinterpreted. What she said was more or less that She was relieved that only one person appear to have deliberately being a traitor or assisted a foreign agent against Canada. She didn't say the rest didn't interact with a foreign government, she more suggested that it may not have been with the intent of harming Canada. For example, maybe they were the recipient of inappropriate donations rather than providing data or information. And while I suppose that it is good news that only one was an out and out traitor, It's still bad that many others in one shape or form were affected by foreign powers even if it was unwittingly or unknowingly. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
blackbird Posted June 14, 2024 Report Posted June 14, 2024 "Hell is a difficult reality, but it is something that the Bible teaches, and we can’t fully understand God and his world unless we grapple with it. These seven truths should frame our discussion of hell." "5. In one sense, God doesn’t send anyone to hell; we send ourselves. Hell is the culmination of telling God to “get out.” You keep telling God to leave you alone, and finally God says, “Okay.” That’s why the Bible describes it as darkness: God is light; his absence is darkness. On earth we experience light and things like love, friendship, and the beauty of creation. These are all remnants of the light of God’s presence. But when you tell God you don’t want him as the Lord and center of your life, eventually you get your wish, and with God go all of his gifts. We have two options: live with God, or live without God. If you say, “I don’t want God’s authority. I would rather live for myself,” that’s hell. In The Great Divorce and The Problem of Pain, Lewis put it this way: In the long run the answer to all those who object to the doctrine of hell is itself a question: “What are you asking God to do?” . . . To leave them alone? Alas, I am afraid that is what he does. . . . In the end, there are only two kinds of people—those who say to God “thy will be done” and those to whom God says in the end “thy will be done.”" For the whole article: 7 Truths About Hell (thegospelcoalition.org) Quote
ExFlyer Posted June 14, 2024 Report Posted June 14, 2024 (edited) 14 hours ago, Army Guy said: I'm curious as to why Sing read the same report and got a totally different message...one says nothing to see here, the other is deeply concerned...and then there is the fact of why CSIS or the NSICOP reports suggest that something bad is going on... Did he ? Seems there are 2 reports. NSICOP and CSIS. I believe May spoke of the CSIS report. Not sure what sing is speaking to. One report is done by the Security Agency which has no political affiliation and the other is by sitting MP's and Senators. One report did not have a list of names the other, I am not sure. If NSICOP has a list of names, is it also top secret and is jagmeet divulging secret info? That last question is, why is one report different than the other? Were the mandates the same? Here is the NSICOP report: https://www.nsicop-cpsnr.ca/reports/rp-2024-06-03/special-report-foreign-interference.pdf Edited June 14, 2024 by ExFlyer Add link to NSICOP report Quote It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
CdnFox Posted June 14, 2024 Report Posted June 14, 2024 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Did he ? Seems there are 2 reports. NSICOP and CSIS. I believe May spoke of the CSIS report. Not sure what sing is speaking to. One report is done by the Security Agency which has no political affiliation and the other is by sitting MP's and Senators. One report did not have a list of names the other, I am not sure. If NSICOP has a list of names, is it also top secret and is jagmeet divulging secret info? That last question is, why is one report different than the other? Were the mandates the same? Here is the NSICOP report: https://www.nsicop-cpsnr.ca/reports/rp-2024-06-03/special-report-foreign-interference.pdf I think it's very important to pay close attention to what each said. I think that people are misunderstanding a bit. May said she was relieved that only one person who is no longer in office appears to have been a traitor and the others were not. This has been taken to mean there was only one person who was involved and there's 'no list". Or that the others didn't do anything wrong, but that's not what she said. She's relieved that there's just one actual traitor and they're out of office. Jaggers says there are a number who were involved and may have done something wrong or benefitted from foreign influence or may have been influenced and he is very concerned about what they were up to and what's going on there. Those two statements are not actually at odds. You can be 'happy' there's only one active traitor and that he's out of power and you can be concerned others recieved money or benefits or were influenced by a foreign power. The problem is they both signed that non disclosure so they really can't talk about it much. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
ExFlyer Posted June 14, 2024 Report Posted June 14, 2024 (edited) 19 hours ago, CdnFox said: I think it's very important to pay close attention to what each said. I think that people are misunderstanding a bit. May said she was relieved that only one person who is no longer in office appears to have been a traitor and the others were not. This has been taken to mean there was only one person who was involved and there's 'no list". Or that the others didn't do anything wrong, but that's not what she said. She's relieved that there's just one actual traitor and they're out of office. Jaggers says there are a number who were involved and may have done something wrong or benefitted from foreign influence or may have been influenced and he is very concerned about what they were up to and what's going on there. Those two statements are not actually at odds. You can be 'happy' there's only one active traitor and that he's out of power and you can be concerned others recieved money or benefits or were influenced by a foreign power. The problem is they both signed that non disclosure so they really can't talk about it much. May spoke about a security agency report. Jagmeet spoke about a peers and colleagues written report. Neither could say much as, I think they were both secret or top secret documents....although I did link the peer and colleague report. I am kinda thinking that the peer and colleague report would not shit on their own? Yes, the two statements are at odds as they reflect 2 different reports. Yes, it is more than non disclosure. When you get secret and top secret security clearance, you sign a lot more than just "I won't tell". I held both and the restrictions and penalties are very severe and you are under those restrictions forever or until the documents are declassified. So, who is actually saying anything worth anything?? One says one name of ex MP and the other alludes to a list of sitting politicians. Or both are ambiguous enough just to get face time in the press? LOL Oddly, both Liberals and PC's are quiet. Edited June 15, 2024 by ExFlyer spelling corrections Quote It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
PIK Posted June 14, 2024 Report Posted June 14, 2024 Well foreign influence is something that does happen, everywhere. But the Gov got caught with its pants down, and the Gov did nothing to pull them back up. Imo. 1 Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
eyeball Posted June 15, 2024 Report Posted June 15, 2024 3 hours ago, PIK said: Well foreign influence is something that does happen, everywhere. But the Gov got caught with its pants down, and the Gov did nothing to pull them back up. Imo. Well sure but presumably there's a distinction between influence and interference here where the latter merits more concern than the former. What gives me pause to consider is why I should be any more or less concerned if its foreign or domestic. In any case it's all potentially rotten when it's a secret. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ExFlyer Posted June 15, 2024 Report Posted June 15, 2024 11 hours ago, PIK said: Well foreign influence is something that does happen, everywhere. But the Gov got caught with its pants down, and the Gov did nothing to pull them back up. Imo. Did they??? Was it government or the opposition?? Quote It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
blackbird Posted June 15, 2024 Report Posted June 15, 2024 (edited) NP View: Canadians should know if they’re being asked to vote for alleged traitors (msn.com) Of course Canadians have a right to know. Edited June 15, 2024 by blackbird Quote
CdnFox Posted June 15, 2024 Report Posted June 15, 2024 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Did they??? Was it government or the opposition?? Regardless, it's the government's job to take action and help prevent that kind of thing in the future, as well as publicly restoring the faith of the people in the system. So regardless of who got the help or who committed the treason, the government itself has failed. This information has been available since the 2015 election apparently and Trudeau has known about it for years and done nothing Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
blackbird Posted June 16, 2024 Report Posted June 16, 2024 (edited) Trudeau does not accept the NSICOP report on foreign interference by some MPs. Wonder why that is. We know Liberals have been dragging their feet on the foreign interference issue all along. If some of the actors are Liberal MPs, we can see why he is in denial or trying to downplay the whole report as inaccurate. Trudeau points to “concerns” with NSICOP report on foreign interference | Watch (msn.com) LeBlanc downplays intelligence in NSICOP report: ‘Long way away from proof' | Watch (msn.com) A 'number of MPs' helped foreign states: Singh | Watch (msn.com) Edited June 16, 2024 by blackbird Quote
Army Guy Posted June 17, 2024 Report Posted June 17, 2024 On 6/14/2024 at 9:18 AM, ExFlyer said: Did he ? Seems there are 2 reports. NSICOP and CSIS. I believe May spoke of the CSIS report. Not sure what sing is speaking to. One report is done by the Security Agency which has no political affiliation and the other is by sitting MP's and Senators. One report did not have a list of names the other, I am not sure. If NSICOP has a list of names, is it also top secret and is jagmeet divulging secret info? That last question is, why is one report different than the other? Were the mandates the same? Here is the NSICOP report: https://www.nsicop-cpsnr.ca/reports/rp-2024-06-03/special-report-foreign-interference.pdf And now with all this Canadians do not know if they are screwed or punched...with Justin telling one story, may another and sing who knows i think this could have been planed all along...i mean really do Canadians really care ? i don't really think so...our government right now is so corrupt, MP's are only thinking how to line their own pockets...not the country...even if Canadians had the list of names which i think will come out somehow......what are Canadians going to demand they be fired or charges brought against them.. Canadian politics have become a joke ...how many canadians take it seriously... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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