blackbird Posted May 28, 2024 Report Posted May 28, 2024 (edited) "OTTAWA — Employing foreign sharpshooters in helicopters to cull deer inhabiting a small coastal B.C. island could cost taxpayers over $12 million, suggest newly released government documents." This includes bringing in foreign shooters. Local hunters say they could do it for free. "A total of $800,000 was set aside to facilitate Indigenous participation in the program, which includes payments to three area First Nations, as well as $108,800 for meat harvesting, and $15,250 each for cultural and spiritual workers to train crews. Other costs include $2.3 million for salaries for Parks Canada staff, $1.4 million for analysis and studies and $3.3 million in miscellaneous costs ." Parks Canada to spend $12M on B.C. deer cull, while Canadian hunters say they'd do it for free (msn.com) Edited May 28, 2024 by blackbird 1 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted May 28, 2024 Report Posted May 28, 2024 Yeah it's pretty insanely stupid. It would have been very easy to organize local hunters to be able to all but wipe the population out and simple rule changes would have made sure it would never grow out of control again this isn't even the only island with this problem and they manage it with hunting and have for ages. And why is the federal government even getting involved at all? This sounds like a provincial issue. Just another example of the insane money loss this government participates in every year. There's absolutely nothing that the Trudeau government does well 2 Quote
herbie Posted May 28, 2024 Report Posted May 28, 2024 What ya gonna do? That's the way they've always done it, so that's the way it MUST always be done. You don't get to elect the bureaucrats. They're doing the same thing to cull deer on an island off Victoria. Provincial bureaucrats think exactly the same as Federal ones. Their rulebook excludes common sense. Probably leave the carcasses for the crows and not gather and donate to Food Banks too. Quote
CdnFox Posted May 28, 2024 Report Posted May 28, 2024 3 minutes ago, herbie said: What ya gonna do? That's the way they've always done it, so that's the way it MUST always be done. You don't get to elect the bureaucrats. What the hell are you talking about you lunatic? It's never been done this way, it has always been done using hunters. Like I said this is hardly a new issue. And we do get to elect the governments and they tell the bureaucrats what to do. Quote They're doing the same thing to cull deer on an island off Victoria. I think you're thinking of this island Quote Provincial bureaucrats think exactly the same as Federal ones. Their rulebook excludes common sense. Probably leave the carcasses for the crows and not gather and donate to Food Banks too. The provincial governments have never done this. They might do it with a wolf call but that is a completely different animal. This would have been easy Quote
WestCanMan Posted May 28, 2024 Report Posted May 28, 2024 3 hours ago, blackbird said: "OTTAWA — Employing foreign sharpshooters in helicopters to cull deer inhabiting a small coastal B.C. island could cost taxpayers over $12 million, suggest newly released government documents." This includes bringing in foreign shooters. Local hunters say they could do it for free. "A total of $800,000 was set aside to facilitate Indigenous participation in the program, which includes payments to three area First Nations, as well as $108,800 for meat harvesting, and $15,250 each for cultural and spiritual workers to train crews. Other costs include $2.3 million for salaries for Parks Canada staff, $1.4 million for analysis and studies and $3.3 million in miscellaneous costs ." Parks Canada to spend $12M on B.C. deer cull, while Canadian hunters say they'd do it for free (msn.com) That's so "Trudeaupian" in nature that I cant even imagine this country without it now. The "$3.3M in miscellaneous expenses" is like his signature move. If that wasn't there I woulda thought this came from "The Onion" or something. Let me guess: The $3.3M are "secret expenses", just like the last $90M or whatever it was that he gave to media outlets before the 2021 election. (No, I don't mean the $695M to CBC in 2016, or the 600M to "select media outlets" in 2019, this was the latest round of media bribes which was disbursed "in secret".) 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
ExFlyer Posted May 28, 2024 Report Posted May 28, 2024 Read this for the full story and reasons https://parks.canada.ca/agence-agency/bib-lib/rapports-reports/~/link.aspx?_id=B84E6A3DAAEB4A90B765F4388D7B1C4A&_z=z Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
taxme Posted May 28, 2024 Report Posted May 28, 2024 6 hours ago, blackbird said: "OTTAWA — Employing foreign sharpshooters in helicopters to cull deer inhabiting a small coastal B.C. island could cost taxpayers over $12 million, suggest newly released government documents." This includes bringing in foreign shooters. Local hunters say they could do it for free. "A total of $800,000 was set aside to facilitate Indigenous participation in the program, which includes payments to three area First Nations, as well as $108,800 for meat harvesting, and $15,250 each for cultural and spiritual workers to train crews. Other costs include $2.3 million for salaries for Parks Canada staff, $1.4 million for analysis and studies and $3.3 million in miscellaneous costs ." Parks Canada to spend $12M on B.C. deer cull, while Canadian hunters say they'd do it for free (msn.com) Your Canadian tax dollars at work. I swear to gawd that Canada has to have the most stupidest fkn politicians in the world. Rather then let Canadian hunters do the culling for free, those arse holes we call politicians prefer to blow more of our tax dollars by the millions and give it away to strangers. What the hell is wrong with these politicians in Canada anyway? Are they stupid and dumb already or are they trying to become stupid and dumb? I think that i will go with the former. 🤮 Quote
taxme Posted May 28, 2024 Report Posted May 28, 2024 5 hours ago, CdnFox said: Yeah it's pretty insanely stupid. It would have been very easy to organize local hunters to be able to all but wipe the population out and simple rule changes would have made sure it would never grow out of control again this isn't even the only island with this problem and they manage it with hunting and have for ages. And why is the federal government even getting involved at all? This sounds like a provincial issue. Just another example of the insane money loss this government participates in every year. There's absolutely nothing that the Trudeau government does well The Marxist dictator in Ottawa has done nothing for Canada and Canadians except to take our tax dollars and blow them all willy-nilly. I am of the opinion that they enjoy doing so just for the fun of it. And then we wonder why inflation is so high? Borrow money, blow money, hey, to those insane money spenders in Ottawa, it's all just fun for them. ☹️ Quote
CdnFox Posted May 29, 2024 Report Posted May 29, 2024 8 minutes ago, taxme said: The Marxist dictator in Ottawa has done nothing for Canada and Canadians except to take our tax dollars and blow them all willy-nilly. Yeah this particular one is kind of weird. It's like a cross-over between bambi and 'red dawn'. Young deer running for cover as helicopter gunships fly overhead while they plot their revenge having already outsmarted the local ground forces.... Quote I am of the opinion that they enjoy doing so just for the fun of it. And then we wonder why inflation is so high? Borrow money, blow money, hey, to those insane money spenders in Ottawa, it's all just fun for them. ☹️ Yup. When they said "you can trust us to treat your money as if it were our money", we should have listened a little more closely. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted May 29, 2024 Report Posted May 29, 2024 What makes this funny, is their are using those big bad scary AR -15 ,Semi auto assualts rifles that the PM said could not be used to hunt deer with, add to the mix a helo must make liberals all across the country just crawl in their own skin....Only in BC though, home of the NDP, and other crazies...you just got to laugh at it all. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted May 29, 2024 Report Posted May 29, 2024 9 hours ago, Army Guy said: What makes this funny, is their are using those big bad scary AR -15 ,Semi auto assualts rifles that the PM said could not be used to hunt deer with, add to the mix a helo must make liberals all across the country just crawl in their own skin....Only in BC though, home of the NDP, and other crazies...you just got to laugh at it all. Did you read the link? It is a cull to prevent the further environmental problems caused by the deer. Where did you get the use of the AR-15 Sydney Island is 8.5 sq kms. The indigenous were given rights but for some reason or other, they were not able to accomplish the task themselves. "Since 2018, Parks Canada has been working with partners—including the W̱SÁNEĆ Leadership Council (representing Tsartlip (tsart-lip) First Nation and Tseycum (say-come) First Nation ), Tsawout (tsay-out) First Nation, Pauquachin (paw-kwuh-chin) First Nation , Sidney Island residents, Islands Trust Conservancy , and the Province of British Columbia—to plan and implement a forest restoration strategy on SḰŦÁMEN (Sidney Island). This initiative is known as the Sidney Island Ecological Restoration Project, or SḰŦÁMEN QENÁȽ,ENEȻ SĆȺ. Together, project partners identified three key objectives: Restoring native vegetation and removing invasive plant species. Eliminating the invasive European fallow deer population. Sustainably managing native black-tailed deer." Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
blackbird Posted May 29, 2024 Author Report Posted May 29, 2024 Just another make-work project for the bureaucracy at taxpayer expense. Quote
ExFlyer Posted May 29, 2024 Report Posted May 29, 2024 26 minutes ago, blackbird said: Just another make-work project for the bureaucracy at taxpayer expense. How?? This was and is an ongoing program to cull deer that were damaging the island environment and ecosystem. I have been ion the island and the deer are a huge problem. Read the link and become aware. https://parks.canada.ca/agence-agency/bib-lib/rapports-reports/~/link.aspx?_id=B84E6A3DAAEB4A90B765F4388D7B1C4A&_z=z https://coastalconservation.ca/projects/sidney-island-ecosystem-restoration-project/ https://www.timescolonist.com/local-news/parks-canada-defends-12m-sidney-island-deer-kill-ecological-restoration-8808318 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
blackbird Posted May 29, 2024 Author Report Posted May 29, 2024 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: How?? This was and is an ongoing program to cull deer that were damaging the island environment and ecosystem. I have been ion the island and the deer are a huge problem. Read the link and become aware. https://parks.canada.ca/agence-agency/bib-lib/rapports-reports/~/link.aspx?_id=B84E6A3DAAEB4A90B765F4388D7B1C4A&_z=z https://coastalconservation.ca/projects/sidney-island-ecosystem-restoration-project/ https://www.timescolonist.com/local-news/parks-canada-defends-12m-sidney-island-deer-kill-ecological-restoration-8808318 So why don't they just let hunters hunt the deer and save taxpayers millions of dollars? Quote
ExFlyer Posted May 29, 2024 Report Posted May 29, 2024 1 hour ago, blackbird said: So why don't they just let hunters hunt the deer and save taxpayers millions of dollars? Read the links...it explains it there. They even tell you how many have been shot and what they are doing wit the meet. Seems the locals and the indigenous are not shooting enough so, to solve the problem, they have to hire shooters. The locals and indigenous that are complaining are not doing enough so, like always, the government steps in. The Parks department has been working on this since 2018. Read the links and understand the history (which is something you always tell others to do) and you will not be such a drama queen All the answers and reasons are there. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Army Guy Posted May 29, 2024 Report Posted May 29, 2024 6 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Did you read the link? It is a cull to prevent the further environmental problems caused by the deer. Where did you get the use of the AR-15 Sydney Island is 8.5 sq kms. The indigenous were given rights but for some reason or other, they were not able to accomplish the task themselves. "Since 2018, Parks Canada has been working with partners—including the W̱SÁNEĆ Leadership Council (representing Tsartlip (tsart-lip) First Nation and Tseycum (say-come) First Nation ), Tsawout (tsay-out) First Nation, Pauquachin (paw-kwuh-chin) First Nation , Sidney Island residents, Islands Trust Conservancy , and the Province of British Columbia—to plan and implement a forest restoration strategy on SḰŦÁMEN (Sidney Island). This initiative is known as the Sidney Island Ecological Restoration Project, or SḰŦÁMEN QENÁȽ,ENEȻ SĆȺ. Together, project partners identified three key objectives: Restoring native vegetation and removing invasive plant species. Eliminating the invasive European fallow deer population. Sustainably managing native black-tailed deer." This story has been out for weeks, the company they hired is a US company which are using AR-15 out of helos to hunt these deers... Don't really care about the environmentally portion of the why they are doing it...what is ironic is they are using the very weapons Canada is so scared of and have banned...but hey if its about the environment i guess it is ok to use banned rifles...The much better and safer / cheaper method would have been to use hunters, with hunting rifles...but again, this is all the environment... this is more of do as i say not as i do...thing.. in this case it is ok for the government to use AR-15 to hunt deer when the federal government says you can't hunt deer with a assault rifle, according to the PM... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted May 29, 2024 Report Posted May 29, 2024 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: How?? This was and is an ongoing program to cull deer that were damaging the island environment and ecosystem. I have been ion the island and the deer are a huge problem. Read the link and become aware. https://parks.canada.ca/agence-agency/bib-lib/rapports-reports/~/link.aspx?_id=B84E6A3DAAEB4A90B765F4388D7B1C4A&_z=z https://coastalconservation.ca/projects/sidney-island-ecosystem-restoration-project/ https://www.timescolonist.com/local-news/parks-canada-defends-12m-sidney-island-deer-kill-ecological-restoration-8808318 It was utterly unnecessary. The province could easily have approached hunters, removed bag limits from that island as they have done with other ones, maybe set limits for a special tag to hunt the island so you didn't get too many people showing up and the problem would have been resolved. We've done this before it's not hard. Best to do it around the time of the rut because those males are extremely nocturnal otherwise but it really would have been no problem. But then the federal government wouldn't have been the ones to solve it and they don't want to miss a single opportunity to exercise their authority. This was exactly a make work project. It's money spent for no good reason. And why bringing people from other countries for that matter? There are a crap ton of excellent hunters and Shooters who would have been happy to do it here Quote
ExFlyer Posted May 29, 2024 Report Posted May 29, 2024 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Army Guy said: This story has been out for weeks, the company they hired is a US company which are using AR-15 out of helos to hunt these deers... Don't really care about the environmentally portion of the why they are doing it...what is ironic is they are using the very weapons Canada is so scared of and have banned...but hey if its about the environment i guess it is ok to use banned rifles...The much better and safer / cheaper method would have been to use hunters, with hunting rifles...but again, this is all the environment... this is more of do as i say not as i do...thing.. in this case it is ok for the government to use AR-15 to hunt deer when the federal government says you can't hunt deer with a assault rifle, according to the PM... If no one in Canada could fulfill the contract I guess, so they got someone that could. I am pretty sure they did not request what arms to use. Bottom line is that this has been going on for a very long time and parks Canada tried to get locals in indigenous bit they did not do the job so,like everything else, they contract out. Like I said, I have been there. I asked you where you got the AR-15 information. I read the links and did not see it. It is interesting that this has become a story. There is the same issue way up on the Queen Charlotte Islands (oh, sorry Haida Gwaii) for many decades. Anyone can go and hunt up there. There is no bag limit but the deer are still a problem. Edited May 29, 2024 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted May 29, 2024 Report Posted May 29, 2024 4 minutes ago, CdnFox said: It was utterly unnecessary. The province could easily have approached hunters, removed bag limits from that island as they have done with other ones, maybe set limits for a special tag to hunt the island so you didn't get too many people showing up and the problem would have been resolved. We've done this before it's not hard. Best to do it around the time of the rut because those males are extremely nocturnal otherwise but it really would have been no problem. But then the federal government wouldn't have been the ones to solve it and they don't want to miss a single opportunity to exercise their authority. This was exactly a make work project. It's money spent for no good reason. And why bringing people from other countries for that matter? There are a crap ton of excellent hunters and Shooters who would have been happy to do it here That was all done. The locals and indigenous did not or could not do it. Hence, it was officially started in 2018 and they were given more chances and the locals and indigenous failed again. Parks Canada is not provincial. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
blackbird Posted May 29, 2024 Author Report Posted May 29, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Seems the locals and the indigenous are not shooting enough They could easily open it up to hunters from outside the island. There are many on Vancouver Island. They just never tried. They would have to ask the provincial government to give permits out to hunters for free. That's all there is to it. Edited May 29, 2024 by blackbird Quote
CdnFox Posted May 29, 2024 Report Posted May 29, 2024 56 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: That was all done. No it wasn't. Not even a little bit. The local indigenous hunters were involved and they killed almost as many as helicopter boys did despite the fact there aren't that many of them but they didn't involve the rest of the provinces hunters, they didn't remove the bag limits, none of that. Do not speak on that what you do not know. I am very familiar with this kind of thing in bc and those deer and it is an absolute truth that this could have been handled for free or close to by the hunters. The problem is that that the hunters are a provincial matter and the FEDS wanted to handle this themselves. So instead of the inexpensive way which would have worked fine they chose a complicated and expensive way instead so that they could say it was them who did it. Quote
Army Guy Posted May 29, 2024 Report Posted May 29, 2024 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: If no one in Canada could fulfill the contract I guess, so they got someone that could. I am pretty sure they did not request what arms to use. Bottom line is that this has been going on for a very long time and parks Canada tried to get locals in indigenous bit they did not do the job so,like everything else, they contract out. Like I said, I have been there. I asked you where you got the AR-15 information. I read the links and did not see it. It is interesting that this has become a story. There is the same issue way up on the Queen Charlotte Islands (oh, sorry Haida Gwaii) for many decades. Anyone can go and hunt up there. There is no bag limit but the deer are still a problem. https://www.timescolonist.com/local-news/semi-automatic-assault-style-rifles-to-be-used-for-sidney-island-deer-kill-7844100 https://www.pressreader.com/canada/times-colonist/20231117/281487871082243 Justin telling Canadians AR-15 not for hunting... https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-52510137 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted May 29, 2024 Report Posted May 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: https://www.timescolonist.com/local-news/semi-automatic-assault-style-rifles-to-be-used-for-sidney-island-deer-kill-7844100 https://www.pressreader.com/canada/times-colonist/20231117/281487871082243 Justin telling Canadians AR-15 not for hunting... https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-52510137 Not being gun aware is "White Buffalo, will use restricted semi-automatic assault-style rifles to dispatch the deer. And they will be equipped with suppressors, or silencers, using .223-calibre ammunition with extended magazines holding up to 30 rounds, he said." an AR-15? Your BBC link also said "The ban is effective immediately but there will be a two-year amnesty period for law-abiding gun owners to comply. " "Prohibition on assault-style firearms New maximum thresholds for muzzle energy (greater than 10,000 Joules) and bore diameter (20 mm bore or greater) are also in place. Any firearm that exceeds them is now prohibited. A Criminal Code amnesty period is currently in effect to October 30, 2025" https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/cntrng-crm/frrms/index-en.aspx I am not a gun owner or gun aficionado but I would think that if a contract was let, it would have to comply with present Canadian Law, as all contracts are obliged to do. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted May 29, 2024 Report Posted May 29, 2024 56 minutes ago, blackbird said: They could easily open it up to hunters from outside the island. There are many on Vancouver Island. They just never tried. They would have to ask the provincial government to give permits out to hunters for free. That's all there is to it. It is open. For Christs sake, read the friggen lnks and background. 12 minutes ago, CdnFox said: No it wasn't. Not even a little bit. The local indigenous hunters were involved and they killed almost as many as helicopter boys did despite the fact there aren't that many of them but they didn't involve the rest of the provinces hunters, they didn't remove the bag limits, none of that. Do not speak on that what you do not know. I am very familiar with this kind of thing in bc and those deer and it is an absolute truth that this could have been handled for free or close to by the hunters. The problem is that that the hunters are a provincial matter and the FEDS wanted to handle this themselves. So instead of the inexpensive way which would have worked fine they chose a complicated and expensive way instead so that they could say it was them who did it. Total fabricated BS. As usual. Hunters are but Parks Canada is Federal. This whole issue is way over 6 years old...they had top start something back in 2018. ....slow news day brings it up. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CdnFox Posted May 29, 2024 Report Posted May 29, 2024 5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: It is open. Really. Point to me where it says that in the bc hunting regs. It is not open, it's restricted. The bag limit and seasons are still in place and always have been. Why must you lie? Quote Total fabricated BS. As usual. Absolute truth. Sorry but you have once again chosen to prove your stupidity despite being told by someone who is a hunter living in that part of the world whats going on with hunters in that part of the world. Quote Hunters are but Parks Canada is Federal. That's the point. The federal gov't could not change the hunting regs to create opportunity for hunters in bc to solve this problem. They want to be the ones who deal with it so they went out and hired people to do it rather than work with the province to solve the issue. Quote This whole issue is way over 6 years old...they had top start something back in 2018. ....slow news day brings it up. I know you put in a lot of work to defend your beloved liberals, but "gov't pays millions for foreigners to shoot animals from a helecopter needlessly" is not 'slow news'. Sorry. Quote
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