Top Republicans, led by Trump, refuse to commit to accept 2024 election results

[robosmith]

Top Republicans, led by Trump, refuse to commit to accept 2024 election results

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Top Republicans, led by former president Donald Trump, are refusing to commit to accept November’s election results with six months until voters head to the polls, raising concerns that the country could see a repeat of the violent aftermath of Trump’s loss four years ago,  the Washington Post reports.

The question has become something of a litmus test, particularly among the long list of possible running mates for Trump, whose relationship with his first vice president, Mike Pence, ruptured because Pence resisted Trump’s pressure to overturn the 2020 election.

The refusal to commit to accept elections results is  deeply concerning,  said Steven Levitsky, a government professor at Harvard University who studies democracy around the world.  Accepting the results of elections is in effect the cardinal rule of democracy. It is the first rule of democratic politics. If a major party is not willing to accept defeat in elections, democracy cannot be stable.   

Not just for VP candidates; it is a litmus loyalty test for ALL HIRES.

[User]

This is the same old dumb game played every election cycle. 

No politician trying to win a race wants to talk about defeat before they even have the election and no one wants to commit to "accepting the results" when they don't know what the results are. There could be a difference of a hundred votes, issues, or legitimate reasons to contest the election. 

They say they are going to accept the results, then the same disingenuous people asking the question will come back and demand they concede immediately, or they run pieces on how they are already prepared to lose the race... 

 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, User said:

This is the same old dumb game played every election cycle. 

No politician trying to win a race wants to talk about defeat before they even have the election and no one wants to commit to "accepting the results" when they don't know what the results are. There could be a difference of a hundred votes, issues, or legitimate reasons to contest the election. 

They say they are going to accept the results, then the same disingenuous people asking the question will come back and demand they concede immediately, or they run pieces on how they are already prepared to lose the race... 

 

The article is not about "some politician trying to win a race," it is about ALL the SYCOPHANTS who face PRESSURE to deny the election results WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE OF FRAUD.

More precisely, they deny acceptance of the RESULTS (post legitimate disputes/recounts) solely to please the LIAR Trump.

[gatomontes99]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The article is not about "some politician trying to win a race," it is about ALL the SYCOPHANTS who face PRESSURE to deny the election results WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE OF FRAUD.

More precisely, they deny acceptance of the RESULTS (post legitimate disputes/recounts) solely to please the LIAR Trump.

2016 Democrats losing their shit because Trump won:

I mean, it goes on and on and on.

‘Not Our President’: Protests Spread After Donald Trump’s Election

And some of those protests got violent. But that doesn't matter because they are on your side, right? Its only when the right does it that it becomes reprehensible.

[User]

5 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The article is not about "some politician trying to win a race," it is about ALL the SYCOPHANTS who face PRESSURE to deny the election results WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE OF FRAUD.

More precisely, they deny acceptance of the RESULTS (post legitimate disputes/recounts) solely to please the LIAR Trump.

Of course, it is about winning an election. Appearance is everything. 

These questions are absurd and meant to drive a losing narrative. Winners do not talk about losing. They talk about winning. No one should rightly commit to accepting the election results when they don't even know what they are yet. 

And please... a large chunk of Democrats still believe Al Gore had the election stolen from him. Do you?

The Democrats spent all of Trump's Presidency claiming he stole the election from Clinton with Russia. Do you?

[robosmith]

MAGA Republicans are already doubting the 2024 election results

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Don’t say they didn’t warn us. If Donald Trump loses again to Joe Biden in November, the attempt by MAGA Republicans to overturn the result — in essence, to negate the will of the voters — could be even worse than last time.

Trump’s denial of his 2020 defeat has had a deeply corrosive effect on our democracy, with a majority of Republicans still deluded into believing the election was stolen. The damage might be ameliorated if prominent GOP officials, who do know better, at least expressed confidence in the democratic process and pledged to accept the outcome of this year’s vote, no matter who wins.

Surely, that’s not too much to ask of men and women who owe their jobs to the same electoral system that Trump claims is hopelessly corrupt. Right?

Wrong. Witness the pathetic performance by Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday. Host Kristen Welker tried six times to get Scott to say, yes or no, whether he would accept the result of the November election. Scott refused to give an answer. Instead, he served up a heaping bowl of word salad, tossed with a vinaigrette of oil and ambition.

“This is an issue that is not an issue so I’m not going to make it an issue. ... At the end of the day, the 47th president of the United States will be President Donald Trump. And I’m excited to get back to low inflation, low unemployment. ... I’m not going to answer your hypothetical question when, in fact, I believe the American people are speaking today on the results of the election.”

Scott’s evasiveness is understandable because he is auditioning to be Trump’s running mate, but it is not excusable. He knows that cases of proven voter fraud — or even formally alleged voter fraud — are vanishingly rare. He knows that recounts and audits consistently show that votes are tallied accurately. He knows that all the conspiracy theories about the 2020 election spun by MAGA fabulists such as Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell have been proved utterly false and, in some cases, expensively defamatory. Still, with his nonanswers, the senator undermines the legitimacy of U.S. democracy.

Other Republicans hoping to be Trump’s vice-presidential choice have been equally shameless. North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum was shifty on CNN’s “State of the Union” when asked about the possibility of violence if Trump loses, declining to answer and instead saying he is “looking forward to next January when Vice President Harris certifies the election for Donald Trump.” Rep. Elise Stefanik (N.Y.) said she would have to “see if this is a legal and valid election” before voting to certify the November result.

And Rep. Byron Donalds (Fla.) went even further — all the way to 2028. He said that if he were the sitting vice president at the time of that year’s election, he would decline to certify the results “if you have state officials who are violating the election law in their states.” In other words, he would do what Vice President Mike Pence quite properly refused to do: impose Trump’s will over that of the American people.

All of this could be written off as nothing more than politicians being craven — hardly a new phenomenon — if not for the damage it does. A sobering study released last month by the Stavros Niarchos Foundation SNF Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University found that 62 percent of Republicans and 22 percent of independents believe Trump was the “legitimate” winner in 2020.

Hardly any Democrats share that view.

Those “deniers” add up to about one-third of voters overall. If that much of the electorate believes a presidential election was stolen — despite multiple recounts and dozens of court cases proving it was not — we have a serious problem.

The Johns Hopkins study concludes: “A political party that has undermined its own voters’ faith in elections is a destabilizing force in a democracy — especially one in which only two parties are realistically competing. The strong viewpoints that deniers hold, and the distinctive identity that they have formed, demonstrate that reviving our democracy will require more than any given result at the ballot box, or providing accurate information to voters on how the election process works. It will require a functioning, responsible conservative party that still believes in democracy.”

No such party now exists in U.S. politics. And for that failing, Trump is only partly responsible.

No one is forcing Republicans such as Scott, Burgum, Stefanik and Donalds to pretend to believe Trump’s lies. No one is forcing them to weaken faith in our elections. Whatever happens in the days and weeks after Election Day, many leading Republicans deserve to share the blame. 

If you have NO EVIDENCE of voter fraud, ALL YOU HAVE is the CERTIFIED VOTE COUNT.

RepubliCONS keep pretending that state election OFFICIALS were NOT AUTHORIZED by STATE LEGISLATURES to RUN THE ELECTIONS.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, User said:

Of course, it is about winning an election. Appearance is everything. 

These questions are absurd and meant to drive a losing narrative. Winners do not talk about losing. They talk about winning. No one should rightly commit to accepting the election results when they don't even know what they are yet. 

And please... a large chunk of Democrats still believe Al Gore had the election stolen from him. Do you?

Why wouldn't Dems believe the SCOTUS decision to STOP THE RECOUNT in violation of FL LAW and specify it set NO PRECEDENT was NOT LEGITIMATE?

1 hour ago, User said:

The Democrats spent all of Trump's Presidency claiming he stole the election from Clinton with Russia. Do you?

Do you believe that foreign campaign aid is NOT ILLEGAL? (secret: it IS ILLEGAL).

Do you understand that Trump EXPLOITED DNCC PRIVATE emails STOLEN BY RUSSIANS at his campaign rallies?

I believe ONLY that those FACTS were NOT PROVEN IN COURT and that unlike Trump in 2020, Hillary CONCEDED the election.

[User]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Why wouldn't Dems believe the SCOTUS decision to STOP THE RECOUNT in violation of FL LAW and specify it set NO PRECEDENT was NOT LEGITIMATE?

OMG, LOL, it is amazing how predictable you folks are—every time. 

You have no room to talk about not accepting election results when you are here not accepting election results. 

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

I believe ONLY that those FACTS were NOT PROVEN IN COURT and that unlike Trump in 2020, Hillary CONCEDED the election.

No, she didn't. She has gone on to claim it was stolen several times now. 

 

[impartialobserver]

Welcome to the modern world... no matter who wins or by how much, the other will claim that it was rigged. This is how it is and will be for quite awhile. 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, User said:

OMG, LOL, it is amazing how predictable you folks are—every time. 

You have no room to talk about not accepting election results when you are here not accepting election results. 

I asked a question for which you OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO ANSWER. 

It is YOUR FAILURE to answer the question which is making the case for believing the SCOTUS decision was ILLEGITIMATE.

2 hours ago, User said:

No, she didn't. She has gone on to claim it was stolen several times now. 

You're LYING. Hillary conceded the next day YOUR IGNORANCE explains you being a right winger.

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Clinton concedes to Trump: ‘We owe him an open mind’

 

Hillary Clinton officially conceded the presidential election to Donald Trump, imploring her supporters to follow him as their 45th president. | Getty

 

Hillary Clinton delivered an emotional address Wednesday, channeling a devastating loss to encourage her supporters to give President-elect Donald Trump a chance to lead and to inspire them to never give up in what likely marked the sunset of her political career.

Clinton privately conceded the election to Trump in a phone call early Wednesday morning but held off formally doing so before the thousands of supporters who were gathered inside the glass-ceiling Jacob K. Javits Convention Center awaiting election results in the wee hours into Wednesday.

 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Welcome to the modern world... no matter who wins or by how much, the other will claim that it was rigged. This is how it is and will be for quite awhile. 

No evidence for ^this recently as the elections have been very close. Trump only "won" by < 1% in 3 states while LOSING the pop vote.

Joe's EC victory was only marginally larger, but won a MUCH greater pop vote margin than Hillary.

[User]

4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I asked a question for which you OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO ANSWER. 

It is YOUR FAILURE to answer the question which is making the case for believing the SCOTUS decision was ILLEGITIMATE.

LOL, Gore Lost, get over it. Your selective recounting in an attempt to conspire against the government illegally failed. 

5 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You're LYING. Hillary conceded the next day YOUR IGNORANCE explains you being a right winger.

You are the ignorant one here, not me:

Hillary Clinton calls Trump 'illegitimate president'

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/09/30/hillary-clinton-calls-trump-illegitimate-president-sot-ip-vpx.cnn

'You can have the election stolen from you,' Hillary Clinton warns 2020 Democrats

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/05/06/hillary-clinton-warns-2020-democratic-candidates-stolen-election/1116477001/

[impartialobserver]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

No evidence for ^this recently as the elections have been very close. Trump only "won" by < 1% in 3 states while LOSING the pop vote.

Joe's EC victory was only marginally larger, but won a MUCH greater pop vote margin than Hillary.

You are one sad, sad creature. In the days, weeks, months after the last two elections.. the internet has been abuzz with claims of voter fraud, conspiracy theories. You know about these but it does not fit your narrative. 

[BeaverFever]

The choice in 2024 is Trump the fascist pro-Putin dictator or Trump the seditious pro-Putin terrorist leader. I think the latter is still the slightly better option although it will definitely result in bloodshed and could still end in the destruction of US democracy. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, User said:

LOL, Gore Lost, get over it. Your selective recounting in an attempt to conspire against the government illegally failed. 

You are the ignorant one here, not me:

Hillary Clinton calls Trump 'illegitimate president'

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/09/30/hillary-clinton-calls-trump-illegitimate-president-sot-ip-vpx.cnn

'You can have the election stolen from you,' Hillary Clinton warns 2020 Democrats

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/05/06/hillary-clinton-warns-2020-democratic-candidates-stolen-election/1116477001/

And yet both Clinton and Gore conceded defeat and none summoned a mob to attack the Capitol in am effort to prevent the results from being ratified, none forged fake elector certificates and none tried to pressure  state officials into falsifying their counts.
 

In fact neither Clinton not Gore said the election was illegitimate or fraudulent.

[Fluffypants]

8 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

And yet both Clinton and Gore conceded defeat and none summoned a mob to attack the Capitol in am effort to prevent the results from being ratified, none forged fake elector certificates and none tried to pressure  state officials into falsifying their counts.
 

In fact neither Clinton not Gore said the election was illegitimate or fraudulent.

I heard Trump speak the Latin "Ohhhh cometh my followers and enter the Capitol and wander around for a couple hours and do not bring actual weapons useth things like flapoles to hit others with oh and please take plenty of selfies that will for sure win me back the Presidency. Create so much fear that people not in the building tell tales of great danger they were personally in"

Edited May 17, 2024 by Fluffypants

[BeaverFever]

The objective was to prevent the ratification from happening on Jan 6 as specifically required by the constitution and then claim that the entire election is now null and void as a result.  People were in danger, 140+ cops were hospitalized   

[User]

49 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

And yet both Clinton and Gore conceded defeat and none summoned a mob to attack the Capitol in am effort to prevent the results from being ratified, none forged fake elector certificates and none tried to pressure  state officials into falsifying their counts.
 

In fact neither Clinton not Gore said the election was illegitimate or fraudulent.

And yet Trump conceded defeat and walked out of the Whitehouse at the end of his term as well...

"Trump finally concedes Biden will become president"

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/07/trump-for-first-time-acknowledges-new-administration-will-take-office-jan-20.html

Trump did not summon a mob to attack the Capitol any more than Democrats were summoning the BLM mobs to burn down cities across America, loot, vandalize, attack LEO, and have an insurrection at the Whitehouse... 

Yes, Clinton literally said Trump was illegitimate and that he stole the election. Gore has also pushed the same crap since. 

Al Gore Tells Bill Maher That He Should Have Been President: ‘I Think I Carried Florida’

https://www.thedailybeast.com/al-gore-tells-bill-maher-that-he-won-the-2000-election-i-think-i-carried-florida

[Fluffypants]

5 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The objective was to prevent the ratification from happening on Jan 6 as specifically required by the constitution and then claim that the entire election is now null and void as a result.  People were in danger, 140+ cops were hospitalized   

No they weren't, 140 cops were said to said to of been assaulted not hospitalized, that means they were pushed or hit doesn't mean they were hurt in any significant way.

[BeaverFever]

2 minutes ago, User said:

And yet Trump conceded defeat and walked out of the Whitehouse at the end of his term as well...

"Trump finally concedes Biden will become president"

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/07/trump-for-first-time-acknowledges-new-administration-will-take-office-jan-20.html

He still has not conceded and still claims he is the legitimate president. All he did in that piece was acknowledge that it wasn’t going to happen. 
 

3 minutes ago, User said:

Trump did not summon a mob to attack the Capitol any more than Democrats were summoning the BLM mobs to burn down cities across America, loot, vandalize, attack LEO, and have an insurrection at the Whitehouse... 

Trump organized the rally, tild them to march to the Capitol, continued to tweet incendiary remarks even after he knew what was happening and refused to tell them to stop   Dems had nothing to do with BLM riots 

 

5 minutes ago, User said:

Yes, Clinton literally said Trump was illegitimate and that he stole the election. Gore has also pushed the same crap since. 

Not the same at all. Clinton said the vote was legitimate but voters acted based on fake news and Comey’s election night announcement of investigation that revealed nothing. 
 

Gore and Bush legitimately went to court because the Florida recount was required BY LAW but didn’t specify how the recount should be conducted. Gore conceded as soon as the court ruled that Bush’s brother Jeb can recount it anyway he pleases, which naturally favoured Bush. It is also a fact that if all ballots in the state had been recounted Gore would have won.   And yet still Gore conceded and accepted the result even though he didn’t agree with it. That’s a big difference from Trump’s CONTINUED baseless 2020 election lies and his attempts to steal the election. 

[BeaverFever]

7 minutes ago, Fluffypants said:

No they weren't, 140 cops were said to said to of been assaulted not hospitalized, that means they were pushed or hit doesn't mean they were hurt in any significant way.

140 injuries which included a heart attack, broken ribs, burns, concussions, lacerations, one lost the tip of his finger another was in critical condition. 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

You are one sad, sad creature. In the days, weeks, months after the last two elections.. the internet has been abuzz with claims of voter fraud, conspiracy theories. You know about these but it does not fit your narrative. 

"Claims of voter fraud" mean nothing when they come from a pathological liar like Trump who FAILED to prove those claims in 60+ court cases.

Why would you believe they mean ANYTHING? You KNOW he'd been making claims of a rigged election before it was even held. Do you find that credible, too? LMAO

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

I heard Trump speak the Latin "Ohhhh cometh my followers and enter the Capitol and wander around for a couple hours and do not bring actual weapons useth things like flapoles to hit others with oh and please take plenty of selfies that will for sure win me back the Presidency. Create so much fear that people not in the building tell tales of great danger they were personally in"

You're LYING. I can show you the SWORN testimony about what happened on Jan 6th from WH insiders, but you're just TROLLING.

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

The objective was to prevent the ratification from happening on Jan 6 as specifically required by the constitution and then claim that the entire election is now null and void as a result.  People were in danger, 140+ cops were hospitalized   

Right. It's called a FORCED "contingent election" as detailed in the Constitution, only in this case being forced was ILLEGAL.

[Rebound]

On 5/16/2024 at 9:19 AM, User said:

This is the same old dumb game played every election cycle. 

No politician trying to win a race wants to talk about defeat before they even have the election and no one wants to commit to "accepting the results" when they don't know what the results are. There could be a difference of a hundred votes, issues, or legitimate reasons to contest the election. 

They say they are going to accept the results, then the same disingenuous people asking the question will come back and demand they concede immediately, or they run pieces on how they are already prepared to lose the race... 

 

No, it is clear that Trump will try another rebellion if he loses in November.  

[User]

12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

He still has not conceded and still claims he is the legitimate president. All he did in that piece was acknowledge that it wasn’t going to happen. 

Right... just like Clinton continued to call him an illegitimate President too, went on to say the election was stolen, just like you and others still think Al Gore really won. 

Trump left office peacefully. He walked out and made a transition to the Biden team. 

13 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Trump organized the rally, tild them to march to the Capitol, continued to tweet incendiary remarks even after he knew what was happening and refused to tell them to stop   Dems had nothing to do with BLM riots 

Trump organized a peaceful protest. He told them to march peacefully. He told them to stop several times. 

Democrats, including our sitting VP, funded the bail for the rioters. They made no distinction between peaceful protestors or those engaged in violence, rioting, looting, vandalism, or arson. They backed their bail funds. 

Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House at the time, called Law Enforcement a bunch of kidnappers. Their rhetoric was just as incendiary if not more so in driving the BLM violence. 

13 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Not the same at all. Clinton said the vote was legitimate but voters acted based on fake news and Comey’s election night announcement of investigation that revealed nothing. 

No, she went on to say it was stolen election. Calling President Trump illegitimate is the same thing. 

13 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Gore and Bush legitimately went to court because the Florida recount was required BY LAW but didn’t specify how the recount should be conducted. Gore conceded as soon as the court ruled that Bush’s brother Jeb can recount it anyway he pleases, which naturally favoured Bush. It is also a fact that if all ballots in the state had been recounted Gore would have won.   And yet still Gore conceded and accepted the result even though he didn’t agree with it. That’s a big difference from Trump’s CONTINUED baseless 2020 election lies and his attempts to steal the election. 

They had already recounted several times with the machines. The issue was that there were the hanging chads, pregnant chads... the recounts Gore wanted to do were based on "interpreting" someone's intent through hand recounts and saying that if a chad was indented, well, obviously that was meant to be a vote for Gore... and he wanted to selectively recount ballots that would favor him the most. 

And yet... Gore still went on to say he should have been President after it was all over. 

Gore tried to steal the election as much as Trump did, to play legal theories that the Supreme Court ruled as violating the law. He also had his lawyers try to challenge all the overseas military ballots they could to try to skew the vote in his favor. Lets not pretend like Gore was not pushing whatever legal boundaries he could get away with here. 

And no, Gore would not have won. The Ballots were already recounted, what he wanted was to interpret the intent of voters when they did not clearly mark their ballots. Only if you hand recount the problem ballots and give Gore the 100% most favorable "interpretation" of presuming someone voted for him, even though they didn't clearly mark their ballots, would he have maybe have won, and that was not even what Gore was asking for in his recount challenge. 

Analysis of Florida Ballots Proves Favorable to Bush

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/04/us/analysis-of-florida-ballots-proves-favorable-to-bush.html