Justin Trudeau is the Left's Donald Trump

[Guest]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

Trump is a reflection of his supporters - they're what's really different.

Trump is a reflection of the anger of Americans. People who have had their voice waived off. People who have been dismissed. 

Kind of a Canadian living downtown in a major city, having to potentially content with syringes in a public park where their kids play. Junkies everywhere. Being dismissed as alt right for demanding accountability. Well, you give more weight to Trumps message by refusing to listen to all of your constituents. 

You don't get a hundred thousand plus crowd in New Jersey no less, without that anger growing.

Trump is like seeing a McDonald's logo after hours of driving in a very remote area, and starving.

You know its not good for you, but will do a lot better than the alternative  which was no food.

Democrats need to stop hurting the country, as they just drive that anger to Trump. He has a drive through! 

He probably smells like a Big Mac.

You know you shouldn't. It never satisfies the hunger fully, but gosh damnit. I haven't eaten in 5 hours! 

His movement has so much power, as he taps into the anger that is growing in America.

Many remember calmer waters when he was in charge after months of doom and gloom that they were warner about.

Push people enough, and they will take their chances with Trump.

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

His movement has so much power, as he taps into the anger that is growing in America.

Your post rings true.  Most angry moments are built on a foundation of economic unrest, too.  So he will have to address that foremost imo.  

[I am Groot]

On 5/14/2024 at 2:18 PM, Moonbox said:

The similarities you draw between them are shared by most politicians - the lying, the performances, the narcissism, the grudges etc...You could say the exact same things about Poilievre,

No, you couldn't The narcissism of Trudeau and Trump goes well beyond what normal politicians exhibit. They're both rich boys, both underperformers, both demonstrably desperate for attention all their lives. They both want to be leaders but neither has any idea where to go and neither can establish real relationships with the people they work with or who work for them. And neither is really interested in the day-to-day governing that is part and parcel of the job. They want the job just for ego's sake. To that end, they are both deliberately divisive. I just thought of another similarity. Trump famously doesn't bother reading briefing notes to the extent desperate aids have taken to putting his name in every paragraph to keep his attention. Trudeau recently told the foreign interference panel he doesn't read his briefing notes on security (which means he probably doesn't read others either). 

Their entire time as leaders have been all about the performance, with no ideas, vision or objectives to governing other than to be the boss. I'm not saying Trudeau is as universally bad a person as Trump, but there are many startling similarities given they're at almost opposite ends of the political spectrum.

Edited May 16, 2024 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

On 5/14/2024 at 5:31 PM, herbie said:

As for both being bad well, its PP trying to emulate every step of Trump's populist schemes, 

In what way? Go ahead and try to list the similarities. 

[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Trump is a reflection of the anger of Americans. People who have had their voice waived off. People who have been dismissed. 

Kind of a Canadian living downtown in a major city, having to potentially content with syringes in a public park where their kids play. Junkies everywhere. Being dismissed as alt right for demanding accountability. Well, you give more weight to Trumps message by refusing to listen to all of your constituents. 

You don't get a hundred thousand plus crowd in New Jersey no less, without that anger growing.

Trump is like seeing a McDonald's logo after hours of driving in a very remote area, and starving.

You know its not good for you, but will do a lot better than the alternative  which was no food.

Democrats need to stop hurting the country, as they just drive that anger to Trump. He has a drive through! 

He probably smells like a Big Mac.

You know you shouldn't. It never satisfies the hunger fully, but gosh damnit. I haven't eaten in 5 hours! 

His movement has so much power, as he taps into the anger that is growing in America.

Many remember calmer waters when he was in charge after months of doom and gloom that they were warner about.

Push people enough, and they will take their chances with Trump.

Trump is in essence an amalgam of three infamous American Presidents

Andrew Jackson, Theodore Roosevelt & Richard Nixon

the brutish vulgarian style is literally called "Jacksonian" after Andrew Jackson

Theodore Roosevelt led a Republican populist revolt against the Gilded Age Oligarchs called "Bull Moose"

and then Richard Nixon went to war against the Establishment, particularly the news media

if you combine Jacksonian, Nixonian & Bull Moose, you get Trump

although I don't think it is Trump himself who thought all this up, but rather his political guru ; Roger Stone

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

In what way? Go ahead and try to list the similarities. 

This is why the poilievre equals trump narrative that the left has been trying to sell falls on its face. The fact is there's almost no comparisons to be drawn between them. About the only thing you could say is that they both do rallies a lot but then so does trudeau and most politicians. Other than that their style is very different.

 

[Moonbox]

46 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

No, you couldn't The narcissism of Trudeau and Trump goes well beyond what normal politicians exhibit.

Yes, I very easily can.  No two politicians are exactly alike, and though you have drawn some very good comparisons (particularly the narcissism, the silver spoon, the incompetence and incuriousness), there also very large differences. 

I can, like I said, draw comparisons between Trump and Poilievre.  They're both deceitful and manipulative populists, focusing on simple-minded slogans and language to mobilize their base.  They're both prone to exaggerated (sometimes wild) rhetoric and they both enable and encourage conspiracy theories.  They both belittle and erode trust in experts, the government and media, and they're both highly divisive and polarizing. 

That said, I do not think Poilievre is the same as Trump.  I think he's ultimately much smarter, less narcissistic, has more empathy, an actual moral compass, and that he believes in democracy.  Saying he's like Trump would be a narrow-minded, lazy criticism.  

I think it's worth drawing the similarities between Trump and Trudeau, and pointing out that some of the things we mock the MAGA asshats for can often be pointed back at our Dear Leader, but saying Trudeau is the Left's Donald Trump is a poor argument, IMO.  

 

 

[CdnFox]

37 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

 

I can, like I said, draw comparisons between Trump and Poilievre.  They're both deceitful and manipulative populists, focusing on simple-minded slogans and language to mobilize their base.  They're both prone to exaggerated (sometimes wild) rhetoric and they both enable and encourage conspiracy theories.  They both belittle and erode trust in experts, the government and media, and they're both highly divisive and polarizing. 

What a load of crap. 

What was polievre deceitful about? He's been pretty up front about EVERYTHING so far.  Utter fail there

Polievre isn't a populist. I doubt you even know what the word means, and are just shoe horning your own definition in because you think it makes him sound bad. Trudeau is far more of a populist than PP is. 

And no - polievre isn't prone to 'wild' rhetoric.  All humans occasionally use rhetoric but poievre doesn't tend to. He says things like 'canada is broken'. That is objectively true.  Rhetoric would be things like 'if you don't take the shot you're a bigot'. 

And polievre is the opposite of divisive.  Liberals, ndp and conservatives are flocking to his banner. 

Again - truduea has vastly more in common on the division front, he's the most divisive prime minister we've ever had. Polievre is joining people together, that's why he's doing so well and why his popularity has been on a nearly year long climb upward. 

 

As  a left winger - i can understand why you'd want to spout the usual left wing talking points but they're objectively wrong. 

 

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

As  a left winger - i can understand why you'd want to spout the usual left wing talking points but they're objectively wrong. 

How many threads do you think can you derail today?  More, or less, than yesterday?  Go away.  

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

How many threads do you think can you derail today?  More, or less, than yesterday?  Go away.  

Ahh - so you can't refute the points so you freak out as usual .  Or is it you just feel that disagreeing with your nonsense is 'derailing' things. 

It's a pretty weird claim that someone is derailing a thread by commenting on the very points the thread is about and in fact points you yourself made.  "HE COMMENTED ON EXACTLY WHAT I SAID SO HE"S DERAILING THE THREAD".  Weird. 

So that'd be you derailing the thread   

If you can't defend your argument maybe don't post it on a forum.  Don't while about people 'derailing' your faulty talking points. 

But hey - you could always pretend you didn't say it i guess   

[Moonbox]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Ahh - so you can't refute the points so you freak out as usual .  Or is it you just feel that disagreeing with your nonsense is 'derailing' things. 

It's a pretty weird claim that someone is derailing a thread by commenting on the very points the thread is about and in fact points you yourself made.  "HE COMMENTED ON EXACTLY WHAT I SAID SO HE"S DERAILING THE THREAD".  Weird. 

So that'd be you derailing the thread   

If you can't defend your argument maybe don't post it on a forum.  Don't while about people 'derailing' your faulty talking points. 

But hey - you could always pretend you didn't say it i guess   

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[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

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Soo - that'd be 'no' to the intelligent response thing  

[herbie]

5 hours ago, Moonbox said:

I can, like I said, draw comparisons between Trump and Poilievre.  They're both deceitful and manipulative populists, focusing on simple-minded slogans and language to mobilize their base.  They're both prone to exaggerated (sometimes wild) rhetoric and they both enable and encourage conspiracy theories.  They both belittle and erode trust in experts, the government and media, and they're both highly divisive and polarizing.

Ya said it, so others with their eyes open can see it too.

Like I said before, PP's difference is he does not even mention alternatives or plans. while Trump will no matter how stupid, foul or counter-productive they are.

[Moonbox]

11 minutes ago, herbie said:

Like I said before, PP's difference is he does not even mention alternatives or plans. while Trump will no matter how stupid, foul or counter-productive they are.

There's that, but there are lots of other differences too.  My point was that you can draw similarities easily amongst politicians, but saying Trudeau = the Left's Trump, or Poilievre = Canada's Trump are just lazy heuristics.  All you're really saying is so and so is BAD, and just like this OTHER bad person we don't like.  

[herbie]

You're on a forum where people post regularly that Hitler and Stalin were both bad, so therefore the must both be leftisits.....

as well as addressing someone who's not a liberal but will defend Trudeau from stupid claims, but never votes for either of those right wing parties.

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, herbie said:

You're on a forum where people post regularly that Hitler and Stalin were both bad, so therefore the must both be leftisits.....

 

post one example of anyone saying that they're both bad therefore they must both be lefties.

22 minutes ago, herbie said:

as well as addressing someone who's not a liberal but will defend Trudeau from stupid claims, but never votes for either of those right wing parties.

You defend trudeau because he's on the left and you support the left over the right.  You have never once made an intelligent defense of him that i've seen, you just rabidly blather at anyone who points out anything negative that he does 

 

And this is the problem. You're constantly dishonest in your posts. We see that for many of the left-wing posters. It was very hard to believe you when you say something like the current liberals are a right-wing party. The only way that's true is if you define anybody right of Castro as being right wing.

[Zeitgeist]

Trudeau isn’t as intelligent as Trump.  Trudeau keeps saying things that make him look ridiculous.  His latest attack on the NB Premier is another example.  We get it that Trudeau, a fake Catholic who supports unlimited abortion up to the day of birth, would try to go after anyone who isn’t a leftist lunatic.  Does he actually think the majority of the country doesn’t want parents of kids under 16 to know if their kids are being called another gender and name at school?   How stupid is this man? The worst PM in the history of PMs anywhere.

I wouldn’t let PM blackface near my kids.  We need more leaders like Higgs and less creepers like Trudeau.  

Edited May 17, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Trudeau isn’t as intelligent as Trump.  Trudeau keeps saying things that make him look ridiculous.  His latest attack on the NB Premier is another example.  We get it that Trudeau, a fake Catholic who supports unlimited abortion up to the day of birth, would try to go after anyone who isn’t a leftist lunatic.  Does he actually think the majority of the country doesn’t want parents of kids under 16 to know if their kids are being called another gender and name at school?   How stupid is this man? The worst PM in the history of PMs anywhere.

I wouldn’t let PM blackface near my kids.  We need more leaders like Higgs and less creepers like Trudeau.  

yeah i don't know what he was thinking there. And it really wasn't his fight to wade into. 

[Zeitgeist]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

yeah i don't know what he was thinking there. And it really wasn't his fight to wade into. 

The guy can’t manage the federal basics like issuing passports, but he thinks that somehow our unlimited abortion and gender ideology rights are causes to further in a time of collapsing birth rates, mass immigration and high living costs. He just brought in free birth control, because when you have a fire the best way to put it out is with gasoline. What a stupid man.  

Edited May 17, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[I am Groot]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

You're on a forum where people post regularly that Hitler and Stalin were both bad, so therefore the must both be leftisits.....

as well as addressing someone who's not a liberal but will defend Trudeau from stupid claims, but never votes for either of those right wing parties.

Don't worry, Herbie. I never had any illusion you were so far to the right as to vote for the Liberals. Or even the NDP. A Venezuelan paradise is all that will satisfy you.

[Moonbox]

9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Trudeau isn’t as intelligent as Trump.  Trudeau keeps saying things that make him look ridiculous.

Yeah Trump never says anything that makes himself look ridiculous...nope...never.  🙄

[I am Groot]

9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Trudeau isn’t as intelligent as Trump.  Trudeau keeps saying things that make him look ridiculous.   

Trudeau isn't dumb enough to use a magic marker to draw in an expanded hurricane target area in order to convince the media he didn't misspeak. Trudeau doesn't generally tell lies that are easily and instantly proved, like being named man of the year multiple years running (he wasn't) or that the head of the boy scouts tells him his stupid, nasty speech was the greatest speech of anyone who ever talked to the boy scouts (no call made) or saying his immigrant father wasn't an immigrant.

Trump is shallow, callow, ignorant, miseducated, and pretty much without merit, but he's nowhere near as dumb or as cruel as Trump.

[I am Groot]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

yeah i don't know what he was thinking there. And it really wasn't his fight to wade into. 

Trudeau, like much of the Left, simply accepts that whatever their American counterparts embrace is THE THING, and instantly adopts it as their 'thing' too. Trumpeting trans rights, talking about 'systemic racism' and pushing DEI are all American concepts that Trudeau adopts without a second thought. If American progressives started wearing pink hats Trudeau wouldn't be seen without one. It's a desperate and kind of sad effort to be part of the 'cool gang'. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Trudeau isn't dumb enough to use a magic marker to draw in an expanded hurricane target area in order to convince the media he didn't misspeak. Trudeau doesn't generally tell lies that are easily and instantly proved, like being named man of the year multiple years running (he wasn't) or that the head of the boy scouts tells him his stupid, nasty speech was the greatest speech of anyone who ever talked to the boy scouts (no call made) or saying his immigrant father wasn't an immigrant.

Trump is shallow, callow, ignorant, miseducated, and pretty much without merit, but he's nowhere near as dumb or as cruel as Trump.

I mean - none of those examples are wrong at all of course but trudeau IS just as dumb in other ways.  Trump didn't get up and claim that over 1/3 of the population he represents were bigots or misogynists just because they didn't want a vaccine.  Trump didn't claim that budgets balance themselves (before borrowing more money than all previous prime ministers combined) or publically admire china's dictatorship as being a great thing.  Trump didn't demand it was his right to exclude an entire newspaper franchise from asking questions of the gov't because one of their people insulted his mother. Trump didn't stand up in the house and call other ministers a 'peice of shit".  Trump's office didn't personally ok a guy coming to the house for awards and snacks who turned out to be a nazi 

I could go on. Trump definitely does some very stupid stuff. But justin isn't much better on the stupid front. 

I don't think either of them are likely to win any nobel's for science anytime soon    

[herbie]

15 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Trudeau isn’t as intelligent as Trump.

Either you confuse cunning and maliciousness as signs of intelligence, or you're stupid all the way down to your bones.