Muslims hate freedom

[JerrySeinfeld]

I'm not even a devout christian. simply a baptised non-practising catholic. but here is my take on how I would speak if I had christian beliefs but muslim "entitlements" about my beliefes:

1. I don't believe in gay marriage. News articles or cartoons espousing gay rights should be met with threats of violence. Furthermore, if any Canadian university professor DARES to contradict this by espousing gay rights, I will stand outside his door and confront him for "disrespecting" my religious beliefs.

2. I don't believe christ should be depicted in a bad light. The makers of "the last temptation of christ" or "the passion of the christ" should be threatened with violence, boycotted and asked to apologize for their movie. In addition, any theatre, production company or hollywood company associated with producing these movies whould withdraw any association with such movies out of "respect" for the christian religion.

How ridiculous does this all sound?

[August1991]

The simple answer is that Muslim activists protest because, well, they can - at least, here, in small town Canada.

Yet, I have a suspicion that most of the protest to these cartoons in Canada comes from white, Christian-born, rich, Dominant-Smart Leftists.

Few if any Muslims in Canada want to take issue.

Why trouble trouble unless trouble troubles you? [The internal query of every ordinary person who is not an American... ]

[JerrySeinfeld]

The simple answer is that Muslim activists protest because, well, they can - at least, here, in small town Canada.

Yet, I have a suspicion that most of the protest to these cartoons in Canada comes from white, Christian-born, rich, Dominant-Smart Leftists.

Few if any Muslims in Canada want to take issue. Why trouble trouble unless trouble troubles you? [The phrase of the non-American... ]

August did u not see the footage of the three muslim students confronting the lone PEI professor, DEMANDING that he take down the cartoons? This is bullying and intolerance incarnate!

[August1991]

August did u not see the footage of the three muslim students confronting the lone PEI professor, DEMANDING that he take down the cartoons? This is bullying and intolerance incarnate!

I didn't see the footage. I heard a radio report about a Saint-Mary philosophy professor who posted the cartoons on his office door, withdrew them but refused to apologize.

Then, when he asked how to say goodbye in Arabic, a protester answered by giving the Arabic words for "I apologize". When he repeated politely, but unknowingly the words, the crowd applauded. He had apologized.

The English CBC reported this as a sly joke, "Truth speaking to Power".

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Jerry, you have a point. I was appalled when I heard the English CBC radio report.

[JerrySeinfeld]

August did u not see the footage of the three muslim students confronting the lone PEI professor, DEMANDING that he take down the cartoons? This is bullying and intolerance incarnate!

I didn't see the footage. I heard a radio report about a Saint-Mary philosophy professor who posted the cartoons on his office door, withdrew them but refused to apologize.

Then, when he asked how to say goodbye in Arabic, a protester answered by giving the Arabic words for "I apologize". When he repeated politely, but unknowingly the words, the crowd applauded. He had apologized.

The English CBC reported this as a sly joke, "Truth speaking to Power".

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Jerry, you have a point. I was appalled when I heard the English CBC radio report.

so he apologized? what a weakling joke! why should he have to apologize

[geoffrey]

August did u not see the footage of the three muslim students confronting the lone PEI professor, DEMANDING that he take down the cartoons? This is bullying and intolerance incarnate!

I didn't see the footage. I heard a radio report about a Saint-Mary philosophy professor who posted the cartoons on his office door, withdrew them but refused to apologize.

Then, when he asked how to say goodbye in Arabic, a protester answered by giving the Arabic words for "I apologize". When he repeated politely, but unknowingly the words, the crowd applauded. He had apologized.

The English CBC reported this as a sly joke, "Truth speaking to Power".

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Jerry, you have a point. I was appalled when I heard the English CBC radio report.

so he apologized? what a weakling joke! why should he have to apologize

Read more carefully. He didn't.

[Michael Hardner]

2. I don't believe christ should be depicted in a bad light. The makers of "the last temptation of christ" or "the passion of the christ" should be threatened with violence, boycotted and asked to apologize for their movie. In addition, any theatre, production company or hollywood company associated with producing these movies whould withdraw any association with such movies out of "respect" for the christian religion.

How ridiculous does this all sound?

Except for the violence part this did happen.

Religious people are often offended by slurs against their prophets, and they have every right to express that.

Christians were offended and protested The Last Temptation, Robert Mapplethorpe's work, and most recently Chris Ofili's dung splattered Virgin Mary. The Mayor of New York called it 'Catholic bashing'.

Said slurs are protected in Western countries, but what is the point of them really ? They're facile and immature sideswipes that do nothing but inflame extremists on both sides. Thoughtful people forged a peace between religion and the state in the 18th century and for them the issue has long been put to rest.

[tml12]

2. I don't believe christ should be depicted in a bad light. The makers of "the last temptation of christ" or "the passion of the christ" should be threatened with violence, boycotted and asked to apologize for their movie. In addition, any theatre, production company or hollywood company associated with producing these movies whould withdraw any association with such movies out of "respect" for the christian religion.

How ridiculous does this all sound?

Except for the violence part this did happen.

Religious people are often offended by slurs against their prophets, and they have every right to express that.

Christians were offended and protested The Last Temptation, Robert Mapplethorpe's work, and most recently Chris Ofili's dung splattered Virgin Mary. The Mayor of New York called it 'Catholic bashing'.

Said slurs are protected in Western countries, but what is the point of them really ? They're facile and immature sideswipes that do nothing but inflame extremists on both sides. Thoughtful people forged a peace between religion and the state in the 18th century and for them the issue has long been put to rest.

Michael Hardner,

Much truth in that...

[geoffrey]

2. I don't believe christ should be depicted in a bad light. The makers of "the last temptation of christ" or "the passion of the christ" should be threatened with violence, boycotted and asked to apologize for their movie. In addition, any theatre, production company or hollywood company associated with producing these movies whould withdraw any association with such movies out of "respect" for the christian religion.

How ridiculous does this all sound?

Except for the violence part this did happen.

Religious people are often offended by slurs against their prophets, and they have every right to express that.

Christians were offended and protested The Last Temptation, Robert Mapplethorpe's work, and most recently Chris Ofili's dung splattered Virgin Mary. The Mayor of New York called it 'Catholic bashing'.

Said slurs are protected in Western countries, but what is the point of them really ? They're facile and immature sideswipes that do nothing but inflame extremists on both sides. Thoughtful people forged a peace between religion and the state in the 18th century and for them the issue has long been put to rest.

The dung splattered Virgin Mary probably isn't considered art or comically by anyone, though I'll stand by his right to produce such non-sense. I know lots of people that got a kick out of the cartoons though, they were good satire other than that they portrayed the prophet. But oh well, I don't believe in Muhammed so I'll laugh away.

Muslims have every right to be P.O.'ed, but no right to say they shouldn't be published.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Mr. Hardner,

Said slurs are protected in Western countries, but what is the point of them really ? They're facile and immature sideswipes that do nothing but inflame extremists on both sides.

Such is the nature of profit-driven, mammon-worshipping secularism. What else is there to do? It too, is claimed as 'holy', and defended with equal fervor, but the problem is, it does lack a point. Except that it turns a profit.

[Durgan]

I just read about 160 comments on feedback to the Globe and Mail. Most writers were against publishing the cartoons. I suspect part of their thinking process was extinguised by Canada's educational system. There were a few insightful comments.

This prohibition about images in the Koran is only one of many stupid prohibitions and punishments. Respect for this book? No. The West and Canadians are making a terrible mistake if they let some stupid religion dictate their actions. Today it is craven images, tomorrow it will be something just as silly and stupid

It took almost 2000 years to tame the Christian religion. The same battle that was won against Christianity is now being fought against Islam. If the West folds on this issue, they had better start buying prayer mats.

The whole episode is blackmail and thuggery by Muslims to intimidate the Western Nations. Canada simply laid down and surrendered. I am not proud of our Canadian media. When money is concerned the Western Nations are easily intimidated.

I suggest every religion should be attacked non-violently at every opportunity, until they disappear from public view completely. God, what harm they have made the human race endure. Few if any could stand a review of their history without a feeling of revulsion and horror. How could so many people be so stupid?

Durgan.

"Isn't it queer that only sensible people agree with you." Bob Edwards 1912.

[scribblet]

This is a showdown over freedom, tolerance, and a menace to democracy in religious clothing.

Dennis Prager says it better than I can:

Everyone and his mother knows why the networks and the print journals haven't shown the cartoons -- they fear Muslims blowing up their buildings and stabbing their editors to death. The only people who deny this are the news media. They all claim that they won't show the cartoons because of sensitivity to Muslim feelings.

Which brings us to the other reason for the latest blow to the news media's credibility: They are lying to us. If some politicians were telling lies as blatantly as the news media are now, the media would be having a field day exposing those politicians and calling for their removal from office. But, alas, what TV news station will criticize another TV news station? And what newspaper or magazine will criticize another newspaper or magazine?

So, without anyone in the media holding them accountable, the news media continue to believe they can fool nearly all the people all the time when they say they are not publishing the cartoons out of respect for Muslim sensibilities.

Why is this false?

snip

American newspapers "insult" every group whenever they feel like it, but no one riots, burns and kills because of it.

Fourth, the ban on depicting Mohammed applies to Muslims, not to non-Muslims. It is remarkable that American newspapers, so frightened of any breakdown between church and state, are suddenly guided by Muslim religious prohibitions.

Fifth, the argument that publishing the images would inflame Muslims' passions is another coverup for cowardice. No American newspaper or TV news show exhibited the slightest concern with inflaming Muslim passions when they endlessly published and depicted Abu Ghraib abuse photos.

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/de.../14/186328.html

[Argus]

Muslims have every right to be P.O.'ed, but no right to say they shouldn't be published.

Anyone whose prophet is a self-admitted child molester has got to have a few screws loose to begin with.

[Black Dog]

Anyone whose prophet is a self-admitted child molester has got to have a few screws loose to begin with.

As opposed to someone who's God is one of the undead?

Really, anyone with an imaginary friend in the sky is not playing with a full deck straight away.

[Leafless]

Black dog

You wrote- " Really anyone with an imaginary friend in the sky is not playing with a full deck straight away.'

Sky???

Whatever gave you the notion the "sky" is the "sky" unless you have been reading fiction again.

[Drea]

Black dog

You wrote- " Really anyone with an imaginary friend in the sky is not playing with a full deck straight away.'

Sky???

Whatever gave you the notion the "sky" is the "sky" unless you have been reading fiction again.

Sure, you call it "firmament"

LOL

Like, gee the firmament sure is a beautiful blue today!

[scribblet]

Muslims have every right to be P.O.'ed, but no right to say they shouldn't be published.

Anyone whose prophet is a self-admitted child molester has got to have a few screws loose to begin with.

Just saying that in a Muslim society would get you killed.

I think a lot of people are missing the whole picure, Canada so far doesn't have the same problems they do in Europe. e.g. Did you know that in Austra some Muslim fathers have demanded that ALL (muslim or not) teachers in a public school wear a headscarf. By capitulating to violence and anarchy we are giving in; we should be supporting Europe in their struggle to stay democratic.

http://tinyurl.com/e29o6 (google translation )

AUSTRIAN MUSLIMS DEMAND ALL TEACHERS WEAR HIJAB

Muslims in the Austrian city of Linz are demanding that all schoolteachers must wear a head scarf; here is a Google translation of an article at Austrian news site kurier.at: Fathers want head cloth for teachers.

Three Muslim fathers demanded a head cloth obligation for teachers in an elementary school in Linz. The indignation about it is large: Upper-Austrian national school advice president Fritz Enzenhofer spoke of “insanity” and reported that one had directly acted. FPOe Secretary-General Herbert Kickl demanded in response a “head cloth prohibition” in schools. BZOe speaker Uwe Scheuch called the demands of the Muslims “inakzeptabel”.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/internatio...,400710,00.html

Crumbling Front

But instead of reacting responsibly but confidently -- and without kowtowing to Mecca -- Europe went on the defensive and showed little in the way of solidarity. A boycott against Denmark, Mandelson said, is a boycott against the rest of Europe. Would that it were. In reality, the rest of Europe is ecstatic that only Denmark is affected.

The Swiss company Nestlé, for example, made sure ....

Stores in Europe are capitulating to violence and intolerance by

[newbie]

Anyone whose prophet is a self-admitted child molester has got to have a few screws loose to begin with.

As opposed to someone who's God is one of the undead?

Really, anyone with an imaginary friend in the sky is not playing with a full deck straight away.

Right on BD!

[Shady]

As opposed to someone who's God is one of the undead?

Wow, another strawman. Do you ever provide anything of substance? Anyways, Black Dog provides us with a great illustration of stupidity. Black Dog's defense of Islamic extremism is to attack and mock Christianity. Does that make any sense to anyone? These are the same type of people who have no problem turning funerals into political conventions. It really is too bad that Coretta Scott King passed away. You people missed a chance to explain to her that the God she worships and the God her husband worshipped is one of the so-called "undead". Yeah, you've got so much in common with them.

[scribblet]

As opposed to someone who's God is one of the undead?

Wow, another strawman. Do you ever provide anything of substance? Anyways, Black Dog provides us with a great illustration of stupidity. Black Dog's defense of Islamic extremism is to attack and mock Christianity. Does that make any sense to anyone? These are the same type of people who have no problem turning funerals into political conventions. It really is too bad that Coretta Scott King passed away. You people missed a chance to explain to her that the God she worships and the God her husband worshipped is one of the so-called "undead". Yeah, you've got so much in common with them.

Well, he won't be able to do that if Canada signs on to Idi Amin's push for an international law banning defamation of religion....with no apparant definition etc.

The key question here, Are Muslims going to live by the rules of the West when they live there, or by the rules of Islam? Now and then a European nation will decide to put its foot down, like banning headscarves in French schools, or expells the odd jihadist imam but on the whole Europe chooses weakness and backpedaling.

For instance, a British judge agreed to bar Jews and Hindus from the jury at the trial of a Muslim who called for the murder of homosexualsamong other things. The Dutch Language Union has decreed that Christ be spelled with a small c, Muslims are demanding that crucifixes be removed from hospitals. Winnie the Pooh, piglet, piggy banks and other images of pigs have to go, and Muslim fathers want ALL Muslim teachers to wear the hijab. Small, but netherless galling that Europe is unwilling to live by its own standards.

In France, more than 10,000 cars were torched by young Muslims - Ho Hum - but in the post cartoon demonstrations in Britain, police ignored signs saying "Exterminate those who mock Islam' and "Be prepared for the real holocaust,' but very quickly arrested two counter protesters carrying postcards with images of Mohammed. Go figure.

If the West doesn't stop the spread of Radical Islam, the danger will be much greater than it is now.

The U.N. is pushing an International law which would make it illegal to defame religion. (more on that later)

[Black Dog]

Wow, another strawman. Do you ever provide anything of substance? Anyways, Black Dog provides us with a great illustration of stupidity. Black Dog's defense of Islamic extremism is to attack and mock Christianity. Does that make any sense to anyone? These are the same type of people who have no problem turning funerals into political conventions. It really is too bad that Coretta Scott King passed away. You people missed a chance to explain to her that the God she worships and the God her husband worshipped is one of the so-called "undead". Yeah, you've got so much in common with them

It's called satire, dipshit.

[Black Dog]

If the West doesn't stop the spread of Radical Islam, the danger will be much greater than it is now.

Meanwhile, radical inams across the Muslim world stir up fear and hate by proclaiming that if Muslims don't stop the spread of Zionism and western imperialism, the danger will be much greater than itis now.

Each side needs the other.

[Leafless]

Black Dog

You wrote- " Each side needs the other."

Great SATIRE BD, great SATIRE!

[ritamd]

Christian fundamentalists hate freedom!

[scribblet]

Black Dog

You wrote- " Each side needs the other."

Great SATIRE BD, great SATIRE!

Hmmm, don't think so.

Stoning a female reporter sure doesn't do anything to dispel the notion the Islamists are intolerant, sheez anyone might think they don't like women.

http://www.turks.us/article.php?story=2006...1729&mode=print