Pro-Hamas Rallies in Canada

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

IMO you people constantly frame answers in a manner that fails to acknowledge legitimate Palestinian grievances.

 By "you people," I'm guessing you include those who have actually been there for a sufficient amount of time to form opinions based on blue hat observations. So here's the questions that beg thoughtful consideration:: "Do you really believe that Hamas will rise to the occasion? Will they address those legitimate grievances on behalf of the Palestinian people and negotiate a peaceful resolution to them?"

Nothing in my experience suggests that they will.

I think they'll fight themselves to a standstill, kill a bunch of people in the process, then regroup, rearm, and fight themselves to a standstill over and over again in perpetuity.

If you can propose a path to peace that includes Hamas as partner in that endeavour there's a Nobel Peace Prize with your name on it. So, if you have a plan to morph a radical religious ideology into political objectives that can be negotiated in good faith then I'm all ears...please bring it on. 

This is why most veterans sporting blue berets and lots of medals at the Legion's Remembrance Day reception only discuss these things amongst themselves. By saying "you people,"  we know exactly where you haven't been.  

If all you have is T-shirt slogans and rhetorical comments then all you're likely to achieve here is a  collection of"likes" from Mr Hardner.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 23, 2024 by Venandi

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

ISGAP also showed that AMP has been a key source of funds for Jewish Voice for Peace, a rabid anti-Zionist organization active in Canada and the U.S. that purports to represent Jews, but which Bazian has been accused of playing a key role in.

The old: "We're Jews and we think that Israelis are terrible" shtick. No doubt a primary source of "information" for our resident "winners". 

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, Venandi said:

Hamas has a religious ideology... not a political one. They are not advocating for the Palestinian people, their political aspirations or even trying to address legitimate grievances.

Bingo.

If muslims actually cared about Palestinians then they wouldn't want children growing up in refugee camps: they'd take them in. But we've seen how indifferent muslims are to the suffering of others by the amount of refugees they took in from Syria. 

[Moonbox]

On 6/22/2024 at 12:58 PM, CdnFox said:

I debate the arguments you present. The problem is you then insist you never presented them, then go on to present them again. 

Joke of the year.  🤣

Whether you're too stupid, or too dishonest, the reality is that you inevitably end up arguing against something only you've said - as you've done here, as you do in every debate.   Here's yet another example:

On 6/22/2024 at 12:58 PM, CdnFox said:

Sigh.  You literally attribute the nazi's rise to power to events that took place AFTER they rose to power.  And you don't see how that's relevant to your agument.   

No, I literally didn't.  

As we see, over and over and over again, your limp insistence is worthless when I can just quote you and prove otherwise.  🤡🤡🤡

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Venandi said:

By "you people," I'm guessing you include...

I mean people who give every indication of believing that Palestinians deserved to have Israel plunked down on top of them out of the blue.

They've had it coming forever.

[WestCanMan]

41 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I mean people who give every indication of believing that Palestinians deserved to have Israel plunked down on top of them out of the blue.

They've had it coming forever.

It's not like Palestinians were completely undeserving of that. Are you joking right now?

For 1,000 years the Jews in that region weren't allowed to pray at their holiest sites. You don't think that invokes a bit of Karma?

Jews were prevented from legally immigrating to that area. No karma?

The grand mufti of Palestine, the muslims spiritual leader in that area of the ME, was a staunch ally of Hitler's. He even went to live in Germany permanently during WWII. It's believed that he influenced the holocaust to some extent, and it's known that he was advocating for a genocide against Jews in the ME.

The mufti was trying to organize a unified islamic assault on Israel long before 1948, when that attack materialized in the form of an all-out war by 7 nations plus the Palestinian people, which was supposed to end in a genocide against all of the Jews in that region.

If Hitler won WWII, you can bet your ass that every Jew in Israel would have been killed, and the mufti would have been an islamic hero for it.  

Edited June 23, 2024 by WestCanMan

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

For 1,000 years...

Ah, back to the good ol' ancient justifications are we? As I've said before you people are all over the map.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Ah, back to the good ol' ancient justifications are we? As I've said before you people are all over the map.

You're the id10t who was pretending that living under msulim rule was awesome, now you don't want to hear the truth about it. Which is it stupid? Does the previous 1,000 years matter or not?

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Joke of the year.  🤣

Whether you're too stupid, or too dishonest, the reality is that you inevitably end up arguing against something only you've said - as you've done here, as you do in every debate.   

Kid every one can see you very clearly claimed that the treaty was the reason that democracy failed in germany. 

And you're like this every single time. You say something stupid, you can't pack it up and then you try to claim you never said it. 

 

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No, I literally didn't.  

You literally did.  And quoting something entirely different doesnt' change that. 

How pathetic are you? You literally just took something completely different that had nothing to do with the quote and tried to pretend that's what I was talking about.

Well, clearly you're getting into the Meltdown phase again. When you start writing pure fiction then it's obvious that your emotional imbalance has caught up with you.

 

And as always when you lose the main argument you try and turn it into something else.

The Treaty of Versailles had nothing to do with why democracy failed in germany.  Despite your sad attempts to change what you said, that was what you claimed and it's not true.

The events that took place in 1933 and 1934 did not help Hitler get elected. That's what you claimed, but it wasn't true. Hitler and the Nazis were in power before that

There is no reason to believe that if Iran was a democracy that anything would be different. They were a democracy before and it failed.

Wow, three strikes. I guess you're out kid  

I will now await your usual melt down and hissyfit. 

[eyeball]

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Does the previous 1,000 years matter or not?

Not much, certainly not in a discussion with you people about the ME.  And the reason I say that is because when First Nation's land claims are the topic you people suddenly roll your eyes, palm your faces, laugh your asses off and prattle away about ancient history and getting over it.

You can't make this stuff up.

 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Not much, certainly not in a discussion with you people about the ME. 

Here ya go, stupid. This was your own post a few pages back:

• All I'm doing is refuting your apparent position that they've always been on unfriendly terms the whole time.  Its just not true no matter how important it is for you to pretend otherwise.  

You see, they have been on unfriendly terms the whole time. Absolutely unfriendly terms. The power imbalance was just so great that the Jews had no choice but to grin and bear it. 

You were 100% dead wrong, and that's just one more example of how poor your understanding of this topic is. 

[carepov]

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Has have been noted many times, the Palestinians are Hamas. They Embrace hamas, they believe in hamas's ideals, they are inseparable.

And the Palestinians are self subjugating. They are the only ones subjugating themselves. If they stopped trying to commit genocide and decided to live in peace they would have everything they wanted.

Not exactly.

It is important to distinguish between the Palestinians of Gaza, The West Bank, and Israel (Israeli-Arabs).

There is a lot to learn from the latter group:

-Palestinians and Jews can and do live peacefully together

-There are plenty of smart, successful Palestinian men and women

 

[eyeball]

52 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You see, they have been on unfriendly terms the whole time. Absolutely unfriendly terms...

...You were 100% dead wrong, and that's just one more example of how poor your understanding of this topic is. 

Yes you're quite famous for your 100% absolute certainty about the topics you understand.

So how do you explain this Einstein?

 

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yes you're quite famous for your 100% absolute certainty about the topics you understand.

So how do you explain this Einstein?

Is that how people live in Israel now, or how people lived in Palestine under Ottoman rule? 

What do you think, Einstein?

[eyeball]

18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

What do you think, Einstein?

I think I've punctured your 100% absolute certainty shtick and now your big fat head is imploding. We've seen it before, you fall into the same trap you set on every topic.

Meanwhile...

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Is that how people live in Israel now, or how people lived in Palestine under Ottoman rule?

The fact this is how they live right now is such dangerous refutation of the lie that peace is impossible that the Israeli governments Education Ministry is motivated to try and ban any mention of Israelis and Palestinians falling in love in educational material and books.

A love story between an Israeli Jew and a Palestinian Muslim has topped the list of bestsellers after Israel's education ministry refused to allow the book on to the school curriculum.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35265002 

People like these lovers BTW are who should be negotiating peace in the ME. $10 says they're secular lefties. Of course they probably didn't have secular lefties 1000's of years ago so...

Edited June 24, 2024 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, carepov said:

Not exactly.

It is important to distinguish between the Palestinians of Gaza, The West Bank, and Israel (Israeli-Arabs).

There is a lot to learn from the latter group:

-Palestinians and Jews can and do live peacefully together

-There are plenty of smart, successful Palestinian men and women

 

Grant you that when I made that statement I was referring specifically to those in Gaza and that there is a difference in temperament and history between the gaza and the west bank palestinians.

Having said that the west bank government recognized hamas and that derailed the peace talks of 2014. So I don't think they are completely Beyond reproach when it comes to this subject.

Obviously a path to peace is more likely with them than it is with Gaza. Gaza is a lost cause

[Venandi]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

I mean people who give every indication of believing that Palestinians deserved to have Israel plunked down on top of them out of the blue.

 

We eagerly await repairs to the time machine.

In the interim though I have a few questions. We're 40 pages in here and If you're arguing for leaving Hamas as a functioning entity I don't see how they can be avoided. 

18 hours ago, Venandi said:

Do you really believe that Hamas will rise to the occasion?

 

18 hours ago, Venandi said:

Will they address those legitimate grievances on behalf of the Palestinian people and negotiate a peaceful resolution to them?"

 

18 hours ago, Venandi said:

if you have a plan to morph a radical religious ideology into political objectives that can be negotiated in good faith then I'm all ears...please bring it on. 

 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Venandi said:

In the interim though I have a few questions. We're 40 pages in here and If you're arguing for leaving Hamas as a functioning entity I don't see how they can be avoided. 

Well, I'm not arguing for that so there you go. Israel will ensure Hamas' continued existence by waging a forever war against it.

[carepov]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 

Obviously a path to peace is more likely with them than it is with Gaza. Gaza is a lost cause

Perhaps I am too optimistic, but if Palestinians can live peacefully with Jews inside Israel, surely it is possible for Palestinians to live peacefully along side Israel.

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

I think I've punctured your 100% absolute certainty shtick and now your big fat head is imploding. We've seen it before, you fall into the same trap you set on every topic.

Riiiight. So your final answer is gonna be "the Jews were ok with not being allowed to pray at their holiest site and they were ok with being second class citizens by law, so they were really happy".

My head doesn't implode because my arguments get punctured, I'm just always blown away by the extent of your BS, blatant lies and ignorance. 

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The fact this is how they live right now is such dangerous refutation of the lie that peace is impossible that the Israeli governments Education Ministry is motivated to try and ban any mention of Israelis and Palestinians falling in love in educational material and books.

A love story between an Israeli Jew and a Palestinian Muslim has topped the list of bestsellers after Israel's education ministry refused to allow the book on to the school curriculum.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35265002 

People like these lovers BTW are who should be negotiating peace in the ME. $10 says they're secular lefties. Of course they probably didn't have secular lefties 1000's of years ago so...

Wow. Two people fell in love. Those people are proof that 1400 years of slavery, bigotry, murders, terrorism and wars haven't had any effect on people. Everyone can trust each other. Right, dummy?

[User]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Well, I'm not arguing for that so there you go. Israel will ensure Hamas' continued existence by waging a forever war against it.

As opposed to your wanting to ensure their continued existence by just letting them live on killing Israelis. 

[eyeball]

31 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Wow. Two people fell in love. Those people are proof that 1400 years of slavery, bigotry, murders, terrorism and wars haven't had any effect on people. Everyone can trust each other. Right, dummy?

Did you watch the video, or investigate any more deeply on your own? It's certainly more than just one couple and it clearly points to the fact that trust is as possible as peace.

And of course you've once again demonstrated that your 100% absolute certainty about the topics you opine about is simply not true.

[WestCanMan]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Did you watch the video, or investigate any more deeply on your own? It's certainly more than just one couple and it clearly points to the fact that trust is as possible as peace.

And of course you've once again demonstrated that your 100% absolute certainty about the topics you opine about is simply not true.

Wow. It's like you come here to prove how retarded you are.

Do you think there aren't people in Iran who are morally superior to the Ayatollah? FYI there are millions. They just can't act accordingly because they'll end up in jail or beaten by a mob. That's how islamist sh1tholes work. 

What people are free to do in Israel, they are not free to do in Palestine. 

If the IDF finds a key terrorist within 2 blocks of that "Palestinian lover's" house, they'll blame that guy and he'll be tortured to death. Sorry, stupid. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, carepov said:

Perhaps I am too optimistic, but if Palestinians can live peacefully with Jews inside Israel, surely it is possible for Palestinians to live peacefully along side Israel.

Of course it's possible, it's been possible since day one. In essence all it takes is for both sides to accept that the other exists and will continue to exist and should continue to exist. Once you accept that then the issue becomes how to live with each other and although that road can be long it certainly has an end.

But it does not appear that they are going to come to that realization on the Palestinian side anytime soon. Certainly not in Gaza anyway.

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Do you think there aren't people in Iran who are morally superior to the Ayatollah? FYI there are millions.

Probably tens of millions actually.

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Those people are proof that 1400 years of slavery, bigotry, murders, terrorism and wars haven't had any effect on people.

Don't the millions of morally superior people you just cited also prove that your absolute 100% certainty is a pile of hooey?

Thanks for underscoring my point.

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Wow. It's like you come here to prove how retarded you are.