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On 4/1/2024 at 11:42 PM, eyeball said:

Really. I'm saying where's the evidence? Why should anyone believe there is or ever was any?

So I guess you don't believe foreign influence is a thing in Canada.

I mean, where's the receipts? Where's the evidence? Why has no one been charged?

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6 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

So I guess you don't believe foreign influence is a thing in Canada.

I believe it when people like Micheal Chong point it out.

But not in this case no, this is about well deserved anger directed at Israel's government.

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No, no Eyeball they're the chosen people. Dropping bombs on aid convoys is righteous and holy, you must be an antisemite if you question the actions of Israel's govt.
Only the questioning of Russia and China is acceptable.

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3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I believe it when people like Micheal Chong point it out.

But not in this case no, this is about well deserved anger directed at Israel's government.

Israel's government is not in Canada. It's being directed against Jews. 

And I've never seen a more persistent group of demonstrations, all organized by the same time, virtually non-existent groups that up until six months ago had virtually no funds. Nothing in the last fifty years has resulted in such large demonstrations across the country for six straight months. No issue, from abortion to the death penalty to immigration, no issue, however divisive, however angering, has ever caused such continuous demonstrations, all with well-organized groups providing signs, meals, bathrooms, websites and organizational heft. 

Which suggests that the anti-Israel, pro-Hamas folks aren’t telling the truth about that, and quite a few other things, as well.  Such as how truly “grassroots-y” they are.

Because they aren’t.

They are, in fact, one of the best-organized, best-run, best-funded propaganda efforts that many political people have seen in a long, long time.  Ask James Carville, the guru who got Bill Clinton and many others elected: “America’s far-left, for which I hold a very low opinion, is mobilized by the war. And they’ll undoubtedly seek to exploit the unrest it creates — foolishly believing the turmoil advances their cause.”

Former Republican strategist (and, full disclosure, friend) David Frum has said that “Iran, China and Russia have made large investments in anti-Israel, pro-Hamas messaging.” And that propaganda, Frum says, is too often working — particularly with young people.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/kinsella-many-anti-israel-initiatives-anything-but-grassroots-efforts

 

3 minutes ago, herbie said:

No, no Eyeball they're the chosen people. Dropping bombs on aid convoys is righteous and holy, you must be an antisemite if you question the actions of Israel's govt.
Only the questioning of Russia and China is acceptable.

If you can explain how dropping bombs on aid convoys helps Israel in any way given the certainty of an international blowback I'd certainly like to read your thoughts - as convoluted and conspiratorial an argument as that would no doubt be.

If you can't, then I think we should just chalk this up to an error. They do happen in wartime, you know. Countries even wind up bombing their own troops by accident.

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13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I believe it when people like Micheal Chong point it out.

But not in this case no, this is about well deserved anger directed at Israel's government.

IN other words you believe it if  you feel like it - but if it happens to go against a group that you like and respect (like hamas) then you CHOOSE to not believe it.

Got it.

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6 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

It's being directed against Jews. 

It's being directed at Israel's government and its allies. Jews do the same thing sometimes and when they do they're called anti-Semitic too.

Go direct your anti-Semite racist card on people like taxme.

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Nope. You couldn't even hit a pinata with your eyes wide open.

Yep - nailed it dead on and once again you're forced to try to change the subject and dodge because you can't defend your credulous position.

Have you considered trying to make sense?  you wouldn't find yourself  in that position so often

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Isee some people have trouble recognizing facetious and sarcastic posts when they go up.
Others must think the crowds of Israelis protesting in the streets are antisemites too,. or they're of the opinion that people of country A don't have the right to protests the actions of country B.
I say they do, but I'm able to see the futility and stupidity of storming your town's School Board meeting demanding an end to hostilities between 2 groups on the other side of the world....

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1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

No, I'd call them ignorant and stupid.

Right-wing Jews call them anti-Semites and of course lefties. Like here the lefties just laugh.  I guess it must go without saying they're even woke...that's got to be the last straw right there.

 

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On 4/4/2024 at 10:45 PM, eyeball said:

Right-wing Jews call them anti-Semites and of course lefties.

Stupid is the better term.

For example, no one was more supportive of mass immigration than the Jewish community, strong liberals that they were. No one defended Muslims more. Now they see how they've been repaid by Canada's Muslim community.

Which was COMPLETELY predictable.

So, like I said, stupid. Like most liberals. They lie to themselves constantly. They tell themselves that others from wildly different groups are "just like us", but they're not. They think if they treat others with respect the others will return the favour. But they don't. They think because they're mostly secular that people of other religions will be too, but they aren't. 

 

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24 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Stupid is the better term.

For example, no one was more supportive of mass immigration than the Jewish community, strong liberals that they were. No one defended Muslims more. Now they see how they've been repaid by Canada's Muslim community.

Which was COMPLETELY predictable.

So, like I said, stupid. Like most liberals. They lie to themselves constantly. They tell themselves that others from wildly different groups are "just like us", but they're not. They think if they treat others with respect the others will return the favour. But they don't. They think because they're mostly secular that people of other religions will be too, but they aren't. 

 

I think you need to differentiate Jews from Israel government.

Many Jews in Israel protest the action against Gaza.

Like here, the Jews have opinions and care about things that their government seems not to. We are Canadian and we protest our government. That in no way makes us whatever name you choose. I guess we Canadians must be stupid too? And we Canadians ar all leftists too??

 

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53 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

They lie to themselves constantly. They tell themselves that others from wildly different groups are "just like us", but they're not. They think if they treat others with respect the others will return the favour. But they don't. They think because they're mostly secular that people of other religions will be too, but they aren't. 

I tend to agree - as an additional for instance, people go para sailing in the Maldives (on vacation) and return with a profound understanding of radical Islam. Then they reduce a sunshine soaked epiphany into asserting things like "my hairdresser is Muslim and she's nice". I'm not suggesting that she isn't either but Islam is a complete system IMO, so while it's a religion, it also includes its own laws, code of conduct and definition of morality.  Functionally, it's fundamentally at odds with secular liberal democracy and I would offer US foreign policy as an example of systemic failure in recognizing the reality of that. 

That's not to say that Muslim immigration is bad or that its unworkable, only that demographic concentrations can come with  predictable integration challenges which are largely ignored by those who scream racism at he mere mention of them.  

That's why liberal heads are exploding at the idea that the Muslim community doesn't support the mutilation of minor children who identify as "human puppies" or classroom pornography. For too long both groups have used each other in an unholy alliance born of political expediency and then discovered the difference in values are more ingrained than either cared to admit during the honeymoon.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, Venandi said:

....people go para sailing in the Maldives (on vacation) and return with a profound understanding of radical Islam. 

...liberal heads are exploding at the idea that the Muslim community doesn't support the mutilation of minor children who identify as "human puppies" or classroom pornography.

I've always known I'm not a conservative and if the above definition is to be taken seriously I'm just as certain I'm not a liberal.

Ones as batshit crazy as the other.

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On 4/7/2024 at 10:32 AM, ExFlyer said:

I think you need to differentiate Jews from Israel government.

I do.

On 4/7/2024 at 10:32 AM, ExFlyer said:

Many Jews in Israel protest the action against Gaza.

And they're stupid to do so. They're protesting alongside people who despise them on behalf of people who want them dead against the only Jewish state in the world. And they're doing so as part of a propaganda campaign designed and funded by Iran.

 

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202404158853

 

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9 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I do.

And they're stupid to do so. They're protesting alongside people who despise them on behalf of people who want them dead against the only Jewish state in the world. And they're doing so as part of a propaganda campaign designed and funded by Iran.

 

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202404158853

 

So, if you protest or disagree with your government you are stupid??

So, are you then stupid if you protest and disagree with the Liberal government in Canada also stupid?

Gotta love social media and the internet. There will always be articles or sites you can find to assist your narrative. We all know there is no foreign interference in another countries politics. /s

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4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

So, if you protest or disagree with your government you are stupid??

Depends. Are you protesting alongside people whose goal in life is to destroy your country and then kill you? Then yes.

 

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58 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Depends. Are you protesting alongside people whose goal in life is to destroy your country and then kill you? Then yes.

 

Are you insinuating that the Israelis in Israel are protesting their government alongside Palestinians in Jerusalem?

My question to you was "So, are you then stupid if you protest and disagree with the Liberal government in Canada? "  Not about the middle east.

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6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Are you insinuating that the Israelis in Israel are protesting their government alongside Palestinians in Jerusalem?

My question to you was "So, are you then stupid if you protest and disagree with the Liberal government in Canada? "  Not about the middle east.

The people in Jerusalem aren't protesting against the war or against Israel. They're protesting against the government. Entirely different.

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26 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

The people in Jerusalem aren't protesting against the war or against Israel. They're protesting against the government. Entirely different.

This makes them anti-Semites according to received Zionist ideology.

In 2014, Noam Chomsky said that Zionists divided critics of Israeli policy into two groups: antisemitic non-Jews and neurotic self-hating Jews, stating:

Actually, the locus classicus, the best formulation of this, was by an ambassador to the United Nations, Abba Eban, Israel's ambassador to the United Nations.... He advised the American Jewish community that they had two tasks to perform. One task was to show that criticism of the policy, what he called anti-Zionism—that means actually criticisms of the policy of the state of Israel—were anti-Semitism. That's the first task. Second task, if the criticism was made by Jews, their task was to show that it's neurotic self-hatred, needs psychiatric treatment.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hating_Jew

Liked so many other things it's mostly defaulted to the same right vs left dynamic seen across all political landscapes. It's just the tone of the times we're in I guess.

The best thing to do when faced with charges of anti-Semitism by you people is to follow the example of so-called self-hating anti-Semitic Jews in Israel which is to laugh at it.

Haaretz writes that the term is almost exclusively used today by the Jewish right against the Jewish left, and that within left-wing and liberal circles, is "usually considered a joke".[46] Richard Forer

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12 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The people in Jerusalem aren't protesting against the war or against Israel. They're protesting against the government. Entirely different.

Pleases, put your thinking cap on (and your reading glasses). They are protesting the government, specifically Netanyahu for his actions/inactions against Gaza.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/01/middleeast/israel-protests-netanyahu-intl/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/31/israeli-protesters-call-benjamin-netanyahu-removal

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