Stop Bill 367

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

No it's my way of saying your an illiterate baboon.

 

Sounds like pretty much the same thing

"I BELIEVE THIS!"

"ok , but that's factually wrong for these reasons which can be quantified and verified"

"UUUHHH.... UHHH...  U R BABOON!!!! DERP!"

LOL - do you think that somehow that makes you look good? Did you think this was going well for you ?  ROFLMAO!!!!

[Black Dog]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

prepare yourself for the Christian nationalist revival to come, pilgrim

the God of the Hebrews is a vengeful Lord

Ok Hun.

[Michael Hardner]

@Zeitgeist

" Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has passed numerous pieces of legislation prohibiting free speech in Canada, yet nothing has been as restrictive as Bill C-367, an amendment to the Criminal Code that will prohibit Canadians from expressing “an opinion based on a belief in a religious text. If passed, people can be arrested for quoting the Bible on Canadian soil.” Armstrong Economics "

Black dog is right, this is a private members bill. Not a Trudeau bill. Your YouTuber doesn't research his material. I think you should stick to MSM.

[Legato]

15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

@Zeitgeist

" Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has passed numerous pieces of legislation prohibiting free speech in Canada, yet nothing has been as restrictive as Bill C-367, an amendment to the Criminal Code that will prohibit Canadians from expressing “an opinion based on a belief in a religious text. If passed, people can be arrested for quoting the Bible on Canadian soil.” Armstrong Economics "

Black dog is right, this is a private members bill. Not a Trudeau bill. Your YouTuber doesn't research his material. I think you should stick to MSM.

Don't you think that the fact some politician would have the temerity to actually propose such a bill, shows how out of touch these people are?

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

@Zeitgeist

" Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has passed numerous pieces of legislation prohibiting free speech in Canada, yet nothing has been as restrictive as Bill C-367, an amendment to the Criminal Code that will prohibit Canadians from expressing “an opinion based on a belief in a religious text. If passed, people can be arrested for quoting the Bible on Canadian soil.” Armstrong Economics "

Black dog is right, this is a private members bill. Not a Trudeau bill. Your YouTuber doesn't research his material. I think you should stick to MSM.

They refer to Trudeau as a part standing for the whole. It’s a figure of speech, a synecdoche: “The Crown has decided.”  Anyway if I hadn’t found the information about the bill there’s no guarantee that it would’ve been posted. You’re welcome.  

Edited March 14 by Zeitgeist

[Michael Hardner]

11 hours ago, Legato said:

Don't you think that the fact some politician would have the temerity to actually propose such a bill, shows how out of touch these people are?

To be honest, I'm only going to pay attention to reputed thought leaders on this topic.  I know that, at a minimum, I will get intellectual honesty from a Margaret Atwood or a Sam Harris.  Someone I have never heard of, with signifiers that the piece had... just isn't worth my time.  I also had journalist Justin Ling (https://nationalpost.com/opinion/justin-ling-forget-pride-parades-ask-tory-candidates-about-real-lgbtq-issues) comment that the changes were draconian but I'm not sure which bill he was commenting on.

[Michael Hardner]

9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

They refer to Trudeau as a part standing for the whole. It’s a figure of speech, a synecdoche: “The Crown has decided.”  Anyway if I hadn’t found the information about the bill there’s no guarantee that it would’ve been posted. You’re welcome.  

Uh.... well... I thought it was journalism, not poetry.  My guess is that an American commenter has confused the issue.  Trudeau isn't "the crown".  I'm also guessing there are other commenters who are reputable that could explain it.

Aaaaaaand.... looks like Google says I'm WRONG 😗

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Uh.... well... I thought it was journalism, not poetry.  My guess is that an American commenter has confused the issue.  Trudeau isn't "the crown".  I'm also guessing there are other commenters who are reputable that could explain it.

Aaaaaaand.... looks like Google says I'm WRONG 😗

I understand wanting to find reputable sources, but the traditional trusted news sources are not as neutral as they used to be.  News sections that purport to be objective often read like opinion pieces.  The only credible major newspaper left in Canada is the National Post, mostly because its owners aren’t as dependent on or concerned about government funding.  I used to think it was a conservative paper, but all popular political options in Canada are middle left to radical left now.  Epoch Times is also quite good.  My former favourite for more local Toronto and Ontario news, the Toronto Star, sounds too much now like the Marxist-Leninist rags handed out free when I was in university.

For fair North American content I read Free Press on Substack, which is left leaning but very much open to a plurality of opinions. Rising on YouTube is also good but America-focused.  For the Catholic perspective I read Lifesite News, though it’s very critical of the Francis Pontificate, and I can see why.

Beyond that I mostly pull information from my daily Apple News feeds, which come from a variety of sources. YouTube is more fringe but quite censored. Rumble is even more fringe, but on those platforms you’ll find insightful interviews with people like Matt Taibi or Michael Shellenberger, who are serious journalists with important critiques.

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[Michael Hardner]

49 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

1. I understand wanting to find reputable sources, but the traditional trusted news sources are not as neutral as they used to be.  

2.  The only credible major newspaper left in Canada is the National Post, mostly because its owners aren’t as dependent on or concerned about government funding.   ... Epoch Times is also quite good.  

1. Actually they're being watched more closely so I think they're more neutral.

2. Why do you think THAT?? Epoch times is funded by a religious cult.  

I stopped reading when you called mainstream press Marxist Leninist.  That's just not close to true.

 

The National Post gets Canadian Government funds and is majority owned by an American fund.

[Zeitgeist]

21 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Actually they're being watched more closely so I think they're more neutral.

2. Why do you think THAT?? Epoch times is funded by a religious cult.  

I stopped reading when you called mainstream press Marxist Leninist.  That's just not close to true.

 

The National Post gets Canadian Government funds and is majority owned by an American fund.

1. Only since the Freedom Convoy and Poilievre criticism illustrated how owned and beholden our MSM is to government did CBC and some other mainstream news become more careful. They’re still full of radical left woke nonsense and should be defunded of taxpayers’ hard-earned money.

2. Wow, so now you’re a shill for the Communist Party of China?  Incredible

Many Toronto Star articles are socialist opinion pieces from woke Liberal-NDP sycophants.

Conrad Black, a great Canadian intellectual, businessman, and truth teller created the National Post after buying Sun Media and the National Post.

And you call yourself a conservative?  

 

Edited March 14 by Zeitgeist

[Michael Hardner]

17 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

1. They’re still full of radical left woke nonsense and should be defunded of taxpayers’ hard-earned money.

2. Wow, so now you’re a shill for the Communist Party of China?  Incredible

3. Conrad Black, a great Canadian intellectual, businessman, and truth teller created the National Post after buying Sun Media and the National Post.

4. And you call yourself a conservative?  

 

1. Disagree.

2. Hyperbolic nonsense and name calling in the absence of substance.

3. You haven't refuted my points.  They get government money just as the CBC does. They are owned by a US fund. Do you have anything to say about that or are you just going to crow like a rooster?

4. Yes because I trust institutions in the absence of evidence against them. I post facts, and try to be accurate with my language. Can't stand it when people start coughing "woke woke" when they don't have substantive criticism.  Have a great day. 🙂

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[Zeitgeist]

10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Disagree.

2. Hyperbolic nonsense and name calling in the absence of substance.

3. You haven't refuted my points.  They get government money just as the CBC does. They are owned by a US fund. Do you have anything to say about that or are you just going to crow like a rooster?

4. Yes because I trust institutions in the absence of evidence against them. I post facts, and try to be accurate with my language. Can't stand it when people start coughing "woke woke" when they don't have substantive criticism.  Have a great day. 🙂

You don’t get off that easy.  Have a good day where you take some time to reflect on your collectivist misdeeds and seek absolution.

[Michael Hardner]

12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You don’t get off that easy.  Have a good day where you take some time to reflect on your collectivist misdeeds and seek absolution.

Sorry Comrade, but rightthink forces me to reject your impure thoughts.

All hail Conrad Black and his refusal to accept Marxist money.  The CBC broadcasts over the blood of dead babies.... Death to the alphabet people.

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[Zeitgeist]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Sorry Comrade, but rightthink forces me to reject your impure thoughts.

All hail Conrad Black and his refusal to accept Marxist money.  The CBC broadcasts over the blood of dead babies.... Death to the alphabet people.

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 👿

 

 

Aren’t moderators supposed to be moderate?

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Aren’t moderators supposed to be moderate?

I don't know.  You should ask one.

 

Exactly how far behind on current events are you!

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I don't know.  You should ask one.

 

Exactly how far behind on current events are you!

I give you a hard time because I know you’re smarter than some of the things that you say.  The Canada you knew is gone, unfortunately, and restoring or improving it will take a lot more than softball criticism of current leadership.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

The National Post gets Canadian Government funds and is majority owned by an American fund.

America is the major defender of freedom in the world.  Are you suspicious of America.?

I think if you look into it, you will find the Americans are far more transparent about what is going on than the Liberal/NDP government.

We hear all the time about how the Canadians government keeps things secret under the pretext of national security even though it is baloney.  

 

[blackbird]

"

S.O.S. to all Canadians: The Trudeau Government is leading you into a nightmarish, Klaus Schwab-designed Hell on Earth"

Bill C-63 Online Harms Act Brings Warranted International Exposure To Trudeau’s Canada | Canada Free Press

Yet there are still some that claim Canada is not creeping toward becoming a Communist state.

Edited March 14 by blackbird

[Zeitgeist]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

America is the major defender of freedom in the world.  Are you suspicious of America.?

I think if you look into it, you will find the Americans are far more transparent about what is going on than the Liberal/NDP government.

We hear all the time about how the Canadians government keeps things secret under the pretext of national security even though it is baloney.  

 

And the fact that the current Canadian government does this undermines its credibility and Canadian sovereignty at the same time, as why should I trust a government that appears to work against the interests of its citizens?

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I stopped reading when you called mainstream press Marxist Leninist.  That's just not close to true.

I don't know if mainstream Canadian MSM is Marxist Leninist; maybe it leans toward Marxism in some ways.

quote

Ashaft of brilliant sunshine for government-censored Canadians from the unlikeliest source—Fox News

‘Canadian law endorsed by Trudeau government could imprison people for life for speech crimes’- headline, Fox News, March 13, 2024.

Antiseptic sunshine comes piercing through the ominous Canadian dark now blanketing Canada.

And it wasn’t a single Canadian news outlet that brought in the piercing sunshine, but American Fox News in a carefully worded front page banner story:   unquote

Bill C-63 Online Harms Act Brings Warranted International Exposure To Trudeau’s Canada | Canada Free Press

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

20 minutes ago, blackbird said:

America is the major defender of freedom in the world.  Are you suspicious of America.?

 

I didn't say anything like this.

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I don't know if mainstream Canadian MSM is Marxist Leninist; maybe it leans toward Marxism in some ways.

quote

Ashaft of brilliant sunshine for government-censored Canadians from the unlikeliest source—Fox News

‘Canadian law endorsed by Trudeau government could imprison people for life for speech crimes’- headline, Fox News, March 13, 2024.

Antiseptic sunshine comes piercing through the ominous Canadian dark now blanketing Canada.

And it wasn’t a single Canadian news outlet that brought in the piercing sunshine, but American Fox News in a carefully worded front page banner story:   unquote

Bill C-63 Online Harms Act Brings Warranted International Exposure To Trudeau’s Canada | Canada Free Press

 

 

There's lots of comment on this from Canadian sources. Try to reduce the hyperbole and just focus on the issues.

[blackbird]

“The Online Harms Act, in all its ominous incarnations, was always going to be all about saving the children.

"Except it was never just about that. It was really always about what has been revealed to be its core purpose: suppressing Canadians’ freedom of speech on the internet. The saving the children from exploitation by online predators part is just political exploitation. Either you agree with the bill entirely, its proponents will say, or you don’t want children protected.  

“Too cynical? If only that were the case. When I wrote about this immediately following the tabling of this legislation on Feb. 26, one commenter pointed out—rightly—that I hadn’t covered all the truly extreme steps Justice Minister Arif Virani had taken with this legislation, which is enormous in both length and complexity. I don’t like to rush to judgment. I don’t like to be wrong and, frankly, some of the provisions were so bizarre they were difficult to believe without affirmation from legal experts.

"But affirmed they have been. So here we go. 

“Online Harms, a.k.a. Bill C-63, will actually make it possible in Canada for you to be placed under house arrest for something the police think you might be thinking about saying online.

unquote

Bill C-63 Online Harms Act Brings Warranted International Exposure To Trudeau’s Canada | Canada Free Press

Another big threat that could be used with this legislation is Artificial Intelligence (AI).

We have been warned about AI and the potential it has to drastically affect life on earth.

Just imagine AI being used to monitor social media and everyone's comments on the internet.  AI could conceivably do that job once it is set up without the need for humans to actually monitor comments themselves.  Then AI could pinpoint offenders or potential offenders to this legislation and keep a record.  It could even do like China reportedly does and assign points to each individual and if someone has too many points, their identity could be automatically forwarded to the local police detachment for further investigation and action.  This is very much like Orwells' 1984.

 

[blackbird]

18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Try to reduce the hyperbole and just focus on the issues.

Yes, big brother.

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Yes, big brother.

Nothing like making an obtuse statement when you can't answer my points.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

They get government money just as the CBC does. They are owned by a US fund.

Why is "owned by the U.S." a big concern to you?  Many companies and businesses including media are linked to the U.S.  The U.S. is very much a part of life in Canada in many ways.  Are you uncomfortable with that?