CdnFox Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 (edited) From Pierre Poilievre to Danielle Smith, Canadian conservatives are finally pushing back against the snakes Something is brewing in Canada — something of deeper than mere national significance. It’s a veritable sign of the times. Just as our nation was and so unfortunately on the cutting edge of the moralizing woke globalist eco-utopian nonsense promulgated oh-so-charismatically by the beautiful Justin Trudeau, so are we leading the charge of counter-offensive. To put it succinctly: Canadian conservatives are growing a spine. Or a pair. Pick your metaphor. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jordan-peterson-the-awe-inspiring-conservative-counter-offensive-against-woke-nonsense And it is a phenomenon we're seeing pick up speed. The woke left has been intolerant of everyone else for ages - now people are becoming intolerant of them. Left wing, socialist, woke - these ideologies are starting to become hated and reviled, and young people are turning away from them. Edited March 2 by CdnFox 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 I hope it's true. Do you have some cites for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: I hope it's true. Do you have some cites for that? It's more donutshop chatter. No definition of woke... A cloudy bogeyman with no clear parameters that will miraculously clear up when Poilievre is elected, mostly because friendly media will stop looking for one-off anecdotes to blow up. See how easy it is? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: No definition of woke None that suits your liking. 14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: A cloudy bogeyman Kind of like woman being an umbrella term to these deep thinkers. 15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: See how easy it is? All those words, and you said nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: 1. None that suits your liking. 2. Kind of like woman being an umbrella term to these deep thinkers. 3. All those words, and you said nothing. 1. You're confused. We were talking about ideology last time. it's different. 2. You step aside from the main question because it's easier than discussing it. You'd rather pretend people are just making a mistake. 3. What do you think that I said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted March 2 Author Report Share Posted March 2 (edited) 58 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: I hope it's true. Do you have some cites for that? I cannot believe i forgot the link I edited the original entry to include it now https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jordan-peterson-the-awe-inspiring-conservative-counter-offensive-against-woke-nonsense There are also dozens of polls at this point showing that the kids are leaving the ndp and libs. Here's one of many https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/millennials-nearly-twice-as-likely-to-vote-for-conservatives-over-liberals-new-survey-suggests/article_7875f9b4-c818-547e-bf68-0f443ba321dc.html Edited March 2 by CdnFox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted March 2 Author Report Share Posted March 2 50 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: It's more donutshop chatter. It's factual studies. Sorry "Mr conservative' Quote No definition of woke... You've been given a definition of woke a dozen times now that i've seen. Quote See how easy it is? To lie your ass off to avoid facts you don't like? Sure - you do make it look easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted March 2 Author Report Share Posted March 2 35 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: None that suits your liking. Kind of like woman being an umbrella term to these deep thinkers. All those words, and you said nothing. Honestly the left supporters like mike sound a little more desperate every day. "Woke" has been defined numerous times on this board. It's not complex. They see a tide of change coming and they know that their beloved little terror empire of hatred and intolerance where they could beat or cancel anyone who dissented is coming to an end and the kids are rejecting them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: It's more donutshop chatter. No definition of woke... I think we all recognize what woke is. It's the division of people into separate groups based on sex, gender, religion, and race, and the elevating of certain of these groups on a sort of hierarchy of importance to the point they are put ahead of those at the bottom (straight white male christians) in acceptance for colleges and universities, in hiring and promotion in corporations and government, and qualify for government grants that are restricted to them and which exclude those at the bottom of the hierarchy (straight white male christians). They are given softer or non-existent sentences for criminal acts, including killing people, and treated in all things as if they were sacred beings and any protest or disagreement with them requires punishment. In fact, they are so deified there have to be special classes in school on what wonderful people they are, and adults are put through special indoctrination lectures where they are taught the hierarchy (including that as oppressors, white people are at the bottom and must recognize their self-evil and beg forgiveness) and ordered to observe it in all things. 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: A cloudy bogeyman with no clear parameters that will miraculously clear up when Poilievre is elected, mostly because friendly media will stop looking for one-off anecdotes to blow up. Right, like the major media person from the CBC who quit and then talked about how they had to fill out diversity charts for every news piece and interview, and were strongly encouraged to always find someone racialized to interview, or at least female, on all subjects. Or the CRTC order that says the CBC must devote 30% of its English language programming on independent shows and documentaries to producers who self identify as one of the preferred identity groups, to rise to 35% in 2026. Those preferred identity groups, need I say it, do not include white people unless they identify as gay or trans. Maybe when Poilievre gets in he'll get rid of the CRTC, or at least drastically prune back its powers. Maybe he'll even do something about the ridiculous level of DEI in the government. I have a friend who's very liberal bordering on progressive and is all into respect for racialized and gender groups etc. He also has a son who's been a star baseball player since he was nine. He played on the higher level, more intensive teams, the ones that travel around a lot, including to the US to play. He tried out for the university team only to fail. You know who didn't fail, a guy from his last team who was pretty much the worst player on that team. When he was telling me about this and how he couldn't understand how that kid had been selected instead of his I asked him if the kid was white. He suddenly went quiet. He hadn't even thought of it. Then he realized what DEI meant, and that his kid had been screwed out of a position on the university team by someone not nearly as good as him but who checked off a box. That's how people stop wanting woke. When they start to see how it negatively impacts them and their families. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: It's more donutshop chatter. No definition of woke... A cloudy bogeyman with no clear parameters that will miraculously clear up when Poilievre is elected, mostly because friendly media will stop looking for one-off anecdotes to blow up. See how easy it is? Even leftists who don't wanna be under the same tent with loony-toons acknowledge that there's a woke crowd which our PM is pandering to like a lovesick puppy. Everyone knows who they are and if you want to pretend that they don't exist that's your own issue. The hope is that once Poilievre is elected the PMO will stop pointing at tree roots to make accusations of genocidal racism against Canadians. Is that too much to ask? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: I cannot believe i forgot the link I edited the original entry to include it now 👍 I kinda figured that there was a link behind all of that, judging from the overall tone of the post. "From Pierre Poilievre to Danielle Smith, Canadian conservatives are finally pushing back against the snakes" OK, I officially love the National Post now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted March 2 Author Report Share Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: The hope is that once Poilievre is elected the PMO will stop pointing at tree roots to make accusations of genocidal racism against Canadians. Is that too much to ask? Its not enough to ask frankly. I think there will be a general rejection of woke garbage everywhere. One thing i would LOVE to see just for the life-lesson the libs might get out of it is an omibus bill - but not just any omnibus bill..... Omnibus bills for those who don't know Are bills where you change a number of laws and pass a number of new laws all at once instead of one at a time like you are supposed to. This is sometimes necessary when you are making a change that affects a number of acts and you need to change them all at once for the new rules to make sense. However, the liberals changed that law so that you could make Omnibus bills about anything at all. They used that to avoid discussion of a number of bills that they didn't want to have to pass one at a time. It's exactly the authoritarian and anti-democratic kind of behavior we've come to expect from the liberals. So I would love to see PP start off with an Omnibus Bill that wiped out every single Woke or Progressive law or any law that involves any kind of censorship along with a few other things such as the firearms Changes and pass it all in one swoop. Basically wipe out 10 years of liberal bull crap in the first couple of months. Then change the Omni bus law back to the way it was and point out this is why we don't change it in the future. The woke left needs to understand that if they force things down people's throats and break the rules to pass their agenda that the next government might very well just do the same thing back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: The hope is that once Poilievre is elected the PMO will stop pointing at tree roots to make accusations of genocidal racism against Canadians. Is that too much to ask? the PMO would probably stop but actually, that lunatic leftist narrative is not emanating from the PMO every institution in Canada has gone Woke, so simply electing another government seems unlikely to stop that this civilizational collapse is not limited to Canada, this is happening everywhere at once so Pierre Polievre is not in a position to end it take for example Doug Ford in Ontario he can't stop it, the Woke cultural revolutionaries don't care they carry on with the cultural revolution regardless of the government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted March 2 Author Report Share Posted March 2 5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: 👍 I kinda figured that there was a link behind all of that, judging from the overall tone of the post. "From Pierre Poilievre to Danielle Smith, Canadian conservatives are finally pushing back against the snakes" OK, I officially love the National Post now. yeah i always post a link - i'm not cadwell thomas for god's sake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 Jordan Peterson is our Rabbie Burns: Quote The woke narcissists who on the other hand make up the progressive left are characterized by an absolute lack of such conscience, but are expert at exploiting its presence in others. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 16 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: the PMO would probably stop but actually, that lunatic leftist narrative is not emanating from the PMO Kinda, sorta... This was part of his year-long tribute to tree roots, along with accusations of genocide against Canadians. This was him paying tribute on Surf and Reconciliation Day: Quote every institution in Canada has gone Woke, so simply electing another government seems unlikely to stop that this civilizational collapse is not limited to Canada, this is happening everywhere at once so Pierre Polievre is not in a position to end it take for example Doug Ford in Ontario he can't stop it, the Woke cultural revolutionaries don't care they carry on with the cultural revolution regardless of the government I think that there will be a reversal in that now, even if it's a bit slower than we'd like. Poilievre has the wit and the breadth of support necessary to tackle it head on. Ford was swimming upstream in a river of leftist crocodile tears, I think those days are behind us now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, I am Groot said: 1. I think we all recognize what woke is. It's the division of people into separate groups based on sex, gender, religion, and race, and the elevating of certain of these groups on a sort of hierarchy of importance to the point they are put ahead of those at the bottom (straight white male christians) in acceptance for colleges and universities, in hiring and promotion in corporations and government, and qualify for government grants that are restricted to them and which exclude those at the bottom of the hierarchy (straight white male christians). 2. Right, like the major media person from the CBC who quit and then talked about how they had to fill out diversity charts for every news piece and interview, and were strongly encouraged to always find someone racialized to interview, or at least female, on all subjects. 3. Maybe when Poilievre gets in he'll get rid of the CRTC, or at least drastically prune back its powers. Maybe he'll even do something about the ridiculous level of DEI in the government. 4. That's how people stop wanting woke. When they start to see how it negatively impacts them and their families. 1. Respectfully, I don't think that one works. I think I could find some stuff that's "woke" to you that doesn't fit that definition, but fair enough. You have made a serious attempt, and put forward something that's at least rational and arguable. So I will oblige by making my own attempt, whether it works or not: "woke" means "extreme progressivity". I myself don't think that that definition is perfect, because it's weighed down by the fact that it's, in the end, a nebulous adjective... like "spicy" or "conservative". I know that I am conservative, but many a chud will look at the fact that I think Trump is ridiculous as evidence that I am not. In fact, our two most prolific and well-spoken conservatives on here, Argus and Bush Cheney, left in the wake of the rise of Trumpism (at least my assessment there). So anyway, that's what I would use to define "woke", knowing that it's different for every person. 2. My contention is that this stuff will continue after Poilievre is elected and it will NOT be reported as much by periodicals that support him such as the National Post and The Rebel. Why ? Because it will be embarrassing to a conservative government, and they wouldn't be able to do as much about it as they would like to. 3. I don't think he will be able to have enough influence to eradicate this part of our culture. The effort required would be huge, and any slip-up or failure would make him look ineffectual. He'll move on to real problems, which says a lot about why we talk about this stuff today. 4. Well... I saw a woman firefighter today. She was probably in her 40s. So... her family benefited from DEI and probably did so decades ago. I'm not speaking to the merits or lack thereof here... I just don't see it going away at this point, but I do see it becoming less prevalent. CBC Radio finally hired a white guy for their morning show in Toronto after 12 years of non-white males so there is a limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 21 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. Respectfully, I don't think that one works. I think I could find some stuff that's "woke" to you that doesn't fit that definition, but fair enough. You have made a serious attempt, and put forward something that's at least rational and arguable. So I will oblige by making my own attempt, whether it works or not: "woke" means "extreme progressivity". I myself don't think that that definition is perfect, because it's weighed down by the fact that it's, in the end, a nebulous adjective... like "spicy" or "conservative". We know what woke means. I think that everyone here would be able to identify the point on the spectrum where most topics drift into the realm of wokeness, just like we know what's actually alt-right. The fact that some people will say things like "Walls are racist", just to try and throw people with common sense into the extreme category, doesn't change where the goalposts actually are. All of us know, some of us just choose to pretend. Quote I know that I am conservative, but many a chud will look at the fact that I think Trump is ridiculous as evidence that I am not. We look at your inability to acknowledge your Fuhrer's faults as evidence that you're not a conservative. No one says that you have to love Trump to be conservative, but when you propagate leftard drivel about Trump, you're outing yourself. I don't think there's a single conservative here who believes even for a second that you're not a leftist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: Kinda, sorta... he panders to them but they are not going away just because you get rid of him since at least two generations have been indoctrinated into this ideology and they are the future 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: 1. We know what woke means. 2. I think that everyone here would be able to identify the point on the spectrum where most topics drift into the realm of wokeness, just like we know what's actually alt-right. 3. The fact that some people will say things like "Walls are racist", just to try and throw people with common sense into the extreme category, doesn't change where the goalposts actually are. All of us know, some of us just choose to pretend. 4. We look at your inability to acknowledge your Fuhrer's faults as evidence that you're not a conservative. 5. No one says that you have to love Trump to be conservative, but when you propagate leftard drivel about Trump, you're outing yourself. 6. I don't think there's a single conservative here who believes even for a second that you're not a leftist. 1. But only tribally, I suspect. It's just code for something you don't like. If it was a strong definition, you could write it down and everyone would agree to it. 2. But people wouldn't agree. There's lots of conservative people who think trans people deserve their rights protected in law. I've shown this before. 3. Sounds like you agree with my definition. 4. I've been pretty vocal about saying I don't support Trudeau, pointing out things wrong with him. You think I'm not a conservative because I refuse to call him Marxist or jump on the bandwagon. Your loss. 5. I don't think you're talking about me. 6. Your opinion. I'm not going to wake up worrying about it, not tonight anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: you could write it down postmodern collectivist totalitarianism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 21 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: postmodern collectivist totalitarianism Strawberry Alarm Clock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. But only tribally, I suspect. It's just code for something you don't like. If it was a strong definition, you could write it down and everyone would agree to it. No need to be snotty. We could all agree what's woke. Gay marriage - not woke. Adults dressing up in sexual costumes to read to little children - definitely woke. It might surprise you, but I know some people who are still liberals. My mother-in-law loves la turd to this day. She's not cool with drag queen story hour or dominatrix story hour. No sensible adult is. Quote 2. But people wouldn't agree. There's lots of conservative people who think trans people deserve their rights protected in law. I've shown this before. That's not woke though. No one gives a shit about trans people being trans. We care about guys pretending to be trans to get into the girls' washroom, or to compete against girls. Again, that's woke BS. No senseible adult thinks that I should be able to call myself a woman and go into a girls' bathroom tomorrow. If I wanted to dress like a woman and play the part, no one cares, it doesn't affect them. It's when biological men go into little girls' bathrooms that we suddenly say "F' that." People agree with me. Wokies agree with you. How can you be a conservative and yet stray all the way past "liberal" to "woke liberal"? Quote 3. Sounds like you agree with my definition. In that context, sure. I don't think all liberals want drag queen story hour and guys in girls' bathrooms. Make of that what you will. Quote 4. I've been pretty vocal about saying I don't support Trudeau, pointing out things wrong with him. You think I'm not a conservative because I refuse to call him Marxist or jump on the bandwagon. Your loss. You can't admit that it's hate mongering to call the unvaxed racists and misogynists. I'd punch that loser in the mouth if he said that to my face. RCMP guard be damned. Quote 5. I don't think you're talking about me. Whatever. I'm not gonna sift through threads to see what you said about Russian collusion, covid hysteria, or FBI crimes. Quote 6. Your opinion. I'm not going to wake up worrying about it, not tonight anyway. Sure, but I don't see other conservatives saying the same things as you. I see liberals saying the same things as you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Strawberry Alarm Clock but a strawberry alarm clock does not articulate the nature of postmodern collectivist totalitarianism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 22 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: 1. That's not woke though. No one gives a shit about trans people being trans. If I wanted to dress like a woman and play the part, no one cares, it doesn't affect them. 2. How can you be a conservative and yet stray all the way past "liberal" to "woke liberal"? 3. You can't admit that it's hate mongering to call the unvaxed racists and misogynists. 4. Whatever. I'm not gonna sift through threads to see what you said about Russian collusion, covid hysteria, or FBI crimes. 1. Lots of people think that THAT is woke. 2. 4. You make up opinions in your head that you think that I hold. 3. I can just criticize Trudeau without wanting to beat him. I guess that's not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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