Classic books pulled from BC district curriculum

[Moonlight Graham]

To Kill A Mockingbird, Of Mice and Men. 

To their credit the Premier calls the move "crazy"

https://globalnews.ca/news/10326701/bc-school-district-pulls-books-curriculum-content/

[Legato]

There's never a bridge far enough for the woke mind.

[herbie]

Or in the particular case as minimally 'woke' as possible.

The books are no longer part of the curriculum. They are still in school libraries and if a teacher wishes to use them, must review with the schools principal and discuss in class any harms in the book.
They aren't banned.

Nor are they of such outstanding literary stature students of colour must read  books that refer to themselves in negative and derogatory terms. But they still can, so long as that point is made clear to everyone.

 

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Or in the particular case as minimally 'woke' as possible.

The books are no longer part of the curriculum. They are still in school libraries and if a teacher wishes to use them, must review with the schools principal and discuss in class any harms in the book.
They aren't banned.

Nor are they of such outstanding literary stature students of colour must read  books that refer to themselves in negative and derogatory terms. But they still can, so long as that point is made clear to everyone.

 

You're telling me high school students can handle n-words in the music they listen to but can't handle a few of them in some books?  These are just problems some do-gooders invent because they have nothing productive to actually worry about.

20 bucks says you're from BC.

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

These are just problems some do-gooders invent because they have nothing productive to actually worry about.

What else is there to worry about? Well there's climate change, economic inequality, war. But everyone's given up on ever getting anything productive done about these so why not sweat the small shit?

Did you know Citharas are what Romans played near the end? They actually didn't have fiddles for another 1500 years.

[CdnFox]

Left wing pulls books - media calls it pulling books.

Right wing pulls books  - CENSORSHIP!!!! BOOK BANNING!!!! AUTHORITARIANISM!!!!

More woke bullshit.

 

[CdnFox]

31 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What else is there to worry about? Well there's climate change

Wnich people have given up on because the carbon tax the left insisted on didn't work and left us broke,

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, economic inequality,

Which doesn't exist in the first place but is certainly not an issue now as the wealthy are taking their money out of Canada so we won't have to worry about it

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war.

Which the liberals have been funding.

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 so why not sweat the small shit?

because given how badly they handled climate change, economic inequality and war, they're pretty much guaranteed to destroy the little 'small stuff' we have left.

Sigh.  You lefties never learn. And once again it'll be the poor who pay, just wait and see.

[herbie]

21 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

You're telling me high school students can handle n-words in the music they listen to but can't handle a few of them in some books?

If you can't distinguish black musicians using those words in their own music genre from white authors in books, YOU have the problem. Clue: it's got to do with referring to themselves or being derogatory to others.

This is happening in Surrey BC where they're about as left as that obstinate ass Danielle Smith by a School Board which is a handful of people anyone can run against should they want to do more than snivel and whine.

The real problem is those that continue to iMAGINE that this is a left or right 'problem', not one book was "pulled" they're still in the school library and it sure as f*ck has dick all to do with carbon taxes or any other level of govt.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, herbie said:

If you can't distinguish black musicians using those words in their own music genre from white authors in books, YOU have the problem.

If you don't realize how racist that is then the problem is yours, and racism will continue to grow within this country and around the world.

I mean - if black people have words that only blacks can use, why should I let black people use the words of MY people?  Why should we share the same space if we don't even share language.  They should live apart from my race, we shoudln't have them mix with our children

Etc etc. That is how racism works. You're a racist, and you're  promoting racism.  Where do you think that ends.

[herbie]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If you don't realize how racist that is then the problem

INSTANT RESPONSE with the usual ignorant objection.

Honky
Whitey
Roundeye
Colonist
Pinkskin
Settler
Neh Doh
White trash
Redneck
Cracker
Gweilo

You MUST read and report on these books that refer to you as such or you will fail your Literature class as these are historical books your Grandad was required to read, nothing of value has ever been written since.

Good God! White privilege at it's blindest.
 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, herbie said:

INSTANT RESPONSE with the usual ignorant objection.
 

it doesn't take long to see why your posts are ignorant - so responding to that doesn't take much time

Say something worth thinking about and people will take longer. 

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Honky
Whitey
Roundeye
Colonist
Pinkskin
Settler
Neh Doh
White trash
Redneck
Cracker
Gweilo

All of those are things black people can and do call others.  So how are they examples of things which are only 'white words'?

What why people refer to themseves as 'whitey'?

Swing and a miss kiddo - those aren't 'white' only words - those are STILL black words that we don't use.

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You MUST read and report on these books that refer to you as such or you will fail your Literature class as these are historical books your Grandad was required to read, nothing of value has ever been written since.

Books? Hell you can find most of those in the weekly newspaper  

And sorry punkin but if it's  a good story i'd read a book with those phrases toady. In fact - i'm reading your post and somehow i haven't collapsed in tears or had my life ruined.  How is that possible?

 

IF anything you just proved my point - and you're still a racist.

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, herbie said:

INSTANT RESPONSE with the usual ignorant objection.

Honky
Whitey
Roundeye
Colonist
Pinkskin
Settler
Neh Doh
White trash
Redneck
Cracker
Gweilo

You MUST read and report on these books that refer to you as such or you will fail your Literature class as these are historical books your Grandad was required to read, nothing of value has ever been written since.

Good God! White privilege at it's blindest.
 

Just some fun with a couple quick searches:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/redneck-government-was-anti-indian-ipperwash-inquiry-hears-1.532843

'Redneck' government was anti-Indian, Ipperwash inquiry hears

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settler_colonialism_in_Canada

Two for one in that link   Settlers AND colonials

 

Not hard to find the others either.  So - looks like  "whitey" is expected to put up with that, where somehow it's just horrible if someoen other than a black person says 'n*gger'.

 

You're not JUST a racist - you're also a hypocrite  

[herbie]

21 minutes ago, herbie said:

White privilege at it's blindest.

I stand by this, and you can be the poster boy.

[CdnFox]

29 minutes ago, herbie said:

I stand by this, and you can be the poster boy.

You stand by your racist comment?

Not surprising. Most racists do.

[Moonlight Graham]

11 hours ago, herbie said:

If you can't distinguish black musicians using those words in their own music genre from white authors in books, YOU have the problem. Clue: it's got to do with referring to themselves or being derogatory to others.

This is happening in Surrey BC where they're about as left as that obstinate ass Danielle Smith by a School Board which is a handful of people anyone can run against should they want to do more than snivel and whine.

The real problem is those that continue to iMAGINE that this is a left or right 'problem', not one book was "pulled" they're still in the school library and it sure as f*ck has dick all to do with carbon taxes or any other level of govt.

You think some kid who isn't an annoying entitled future Karen is going to care if a white author from 60 years ago puts the N word in a book written about a time when people used that word?

Edited March 3, 2024 by Moonlight Graham

[herbie]

F*ck you people are thick as f*cking bricks.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

F*ck you people are thick as f*cking bricks.

Oh dear.  Should we call  you chernobyl? Because this seems like another commie meltdown. 

[herbie]

On 3/1/2024 at 1:24 PM, herbie said:

The books are no longer part of the curriculum. They are still in school libraries and if a teacher wishes to use them, must review with the schools principal and discuss in class any harms in the book.
They aren't banned.

Read again. They just aren't required reading.

Simple enough to understand?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

 

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On 3/1/2024 at 1:24 PM, herbie said:

The books are no longer part of the curriculum. They are still in school libraries and if a teacher wishes to use them, must review with the schools principal and discuss in class any harms in the book.
They aren't banned.

 

Read again. They just aren't required reading.

Simple enough to understand?

Are you  arguing with yourself?

Do you need us here? You can sort this out with yourself can't you?

[impartialobserver]

As someone who has read a ton of classic literature, there is a fair degree of racism in the pages. However, it is revisionist to expect them to not be. Does that completely invalidate it? Not even close. I realize that these books are not being banned but still it is fairly reflexive and immature to exclude these. If you really want to understand the 1917 Russian Revolution, you need to read War and Peace by Tolstoy and The Id10t by Dostoyevsky. These novels are full of stuff that would get you cancelled in 2024, but are also full of historical backstory that clues you into why the 1917 revolution came to be. 

[CdnFox]

57 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

As someone who has read a ton of classic literature, there is a fair degree of racism in the pages. However, it is revisionist to expect them to not be. Does that completely invalidate it? Not even close. I realize that these books are not being banned but still it is fairly reflexive and immature to exclude these. If you really want to understand the 1917 Russian Revolution, you need to read War and Peace by Tolstoy and The Id10t by Dostoyevsky. These novels are full of stuff that would get you cancelled in 2024, but are also full of historical backstory that clues you into why the 1917 revolution came to be. 

Hell if you want a clearer picture of what life in america was like then even classics like tom sawyer and grapes of wrath are incredibly valuable.

And the CORRECT answer to the racism in those books is to talk to the kids about it when they read it.  Read the books with them, talk about the past, talk about the racism of the day and why we've learned better, discuss how they can be better.

Burning the book and trying to pretend it never existed is just childish.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Burning the book and trying to pretend it never existed is just childish.

Pretending someone burned a book is so grown up.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Pretending someone burned a book is so grown up.

Wow - what a really well thought out reply, so insightful, so to the point! LOL

You're an excellent example of our education system at work and why we need to keep the woke from it

[eyeball]

39 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You're an excellent example of our education system at work and why we need to keep the woke from it

You're a far better example of why chuds need a smack upside the head with it.

[Nefarious Banana]

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You're a far better example of why chuds need a smack upside the head with it.

What's your point?