Guest Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 7 hours ago, athos said: It's a misunderstanding. I don't think it is. You're posting pictures of brave men fighting, then following it up with pictures of ambush deaths of soldiers but choosing to post the most humiliating pictures of those said setbacks. Then instead of doubling down (like a man who knows who and what they stand for), you choose the cowards way out, by passive aggressively playing innocent. The men in those pictures have shoes you could never fill, if you had 4 lifetimes to do so. You should be ashamed of yourself, but people like you hide behind computer screens for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 7 hours ago, athos said: I mam an Ukrainian. That's the "my friend is Muslim" cop out, somehow absolving you of a racist statement. If you're going to boldly post something, at least find your balls before doing so, and stand behind it. Notice how nobody else posted pictures like you did, even though its relatively easy to find some? To die fighting, is a level of bravery you will never know. To value something so much, you are non hesitant to lay your life down for it. To know there is imminent danger, and run towards it. You probably stare at the ground when someone brazenly calls you out to your face. You have that aura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUI_Offender Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 10 hours ago, Army Guy said: NAH...just a realist, we'll see in a couple of months, Are the questions to hard for you, i can rewrite them if you like.... You should be ashamed of yourself, especially as a supposed Canadian military veteran. To root for Russia (the aggressors), is despicable). No wonder our military sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 16 hours ago, Army Guy said: At what price is it going to cost Ukraine....this incursion is not going to change anything...not for Ukraine, not for Russia, at most it is a temporary moral booster for Ukrainian troops, which will be short lived...and completely forgotten in a few months. In the big picture it was a waste of time and lives.... What do you mean... the big picture? They are in a war against Russia. At the very least this is going to force Russia to have to move forces to repel AND if Ukraine continues to push Russia like this, it forces Russia to have to rethink their entire deployment of forces to be able to repel such attacks. Moral boosters are a big thing, just as demoralizing the Russians is also a big thing. You might as well sit here arguing it is a waste for Ukraine to be fighting back at all. Is that what you are getting at? Should they just surrender? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 15 hours ago, athos said: It's a misunderstanding. There is no need to be angry and I am on the Ukrainian side. I mam an Ukrainian. Really? Sure doesn't seem like you are on the Ukrainian side at all: Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 19 hours ago, athos said: It's a misunderstanding. There is no need to be angry and I am on the Ukrainian side. I mam an Ukrainian. No misunderstanding at all, your an Id1ot period...you've used these men deaths for your own enjoyment, and to spark a reaction from the public who are rarely exposed to these graphic pictures....I don't care what side your on, you have disrespected the dead in a huge way, not to mention if the family every seen these images...it would be devastating to them and their friends....It was a dick move... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 (edited) On 8/17/2024 at 2:16 PM, User said: What do you mean... the big picture? They are in a war against Russia. At the very least this is going to force Russia to have to move forces to repel AND if Ukraine continues to push Russia like this, it forces Russia to have to rethink their entire deployment of forces to be able to repel such attacks. Moral boosters are a big thing, just as demoralizing the Russians is also a big thing. You might as well sit here arguing it is a waste for Ukraine to be fighting back at all. Is that what you are getting at? Should they just surrender? well over a thousand men have or are taking part of this mission, Your ex military think they have a plan for extraction...they are going to push until expended, and the farther they push the more exposed their flanks are... Yes they are at war with Russia, i get that, and on paper this might have sounded like a brilliant plan...Do you think at this time Ukrainian forces could afford the men and resources being expended in this incursion, i mean that could not be better spent on holding back Russian advances...This is not the first incursion into Russia, during this conflict we would have to ask IS Russia going to revisit border security...I personal don't think so...nothing that is going to make any real difference next time... Moral booster are a huge thing , but like anything they are time sensitive...they only last a few weeks then they are gone, is that benefit worth over a thousand men's lives.. Thats not my point at all...my point here is Ukraine has a very limited amount of resources, and a large portion of those incoming resources are dependent on other countries to round up, send to ukraine...and can be held up for the smallest reasons...there is no huge warehouse full of reserve equipment that you and i know our nations have....every man , women , and piece of equipment should be husbanded like there is no replacement...Showing putin that his borders are as leaking as a canadian navy AOP is not worth the cost of over a thousand troops and some of his best tanks... Should they surrender, thats a complicated question, if they are totally dependent on NATO to provide equipment, that has already proven to be shaky at best...on and off again...not a good way to fight a war...NATO is almost at the end of its rope , we already see some countries like German, Canada cut off or drastically cut back it's support of equipment...becasue they to are in trouble with funds...I'm sure Ukraines government sees this as clear as day...and they must be wondering with the US election coming closer just what the future support is going to look like...In the end, we in the west see just numbers of the amount of dead or wounded...to Ukraine it means a father, husband or mother , an entire generation being chewed up, and no real end in sight. Does that mean surrender, thats not up to you and i , thats up to Ukraine... Edited August 18 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 20 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: You are such a Kremlin shill... They are running scared, and running out of false narratives to use. Sure it is easy to say when your on the side lines with no skin in the game....and while those on the side lines are pumped up, to kill orcs by the thousands, this war is claiming lives on both sides....those pictures are a reminder of that... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 9 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: You should be ashamed of yourself, especially as a supposed Canadian military veteran. To root for Russia (the aggressors), is despicable). No wonder our military sucks. Your making sh1t up once again, show me a post where i root for mother Russia....just one.... I've spent 34 years of my life serving this country, the whole time listening to guys like you question my patriotism, or character, guys like you that have done nothing or very little for this great nation other than sit behind a keyboard and chirp those that have served in some capacity or another... Guys like you who, will never know the sounds,smells, what it feels like emotional, the taste, or how it feels to watch a brother in arms body being put into a small baggy because thats all we could find...guys like you will always be on the side lines, always chirping about something...guys like you don't bother me anymore... Our military does what it can with what Canada gives it,and more.... It is something that makes Canadians all across this country proud, that they are so cheap... if it sucks it is because Canadians like you have allowed it to suck....you've sat on the side lines and watched it be degraded for decades, while real Canadians step up and serve knowing full well Canadians don't give a rats a$$ about anything outside their bubble...you included...sure you can pump up your chest, beat the war drums...but in the end your just another chirper...that has contributed very little to this nation.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athos Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 (edited) 15 hours ago, Perspektiv said: That's the "my friend is Muslim" cop out, somehow absolving you of a racist statement. If you're going to boldly post something, at least find your balls before doing so, and stand behind it. Notice how nobody else posted pictures like you did, even though its relatively easy to find some? To die fighting, is a level of bravery you will never know. To value something so much, you are non hesitant to lay your life down for it. To know there is imminent danger, and run towards it. You probably stare at the ground when someone brazenly calls you out to your face. You have that aura. As a Ukrainian, I am very sad that someone like you is against the righteous struggle of the Ukrainian people. I hope you will be on the right side of history. Slava Ukraini Edited August 18 by athos info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUI_Offender Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 1 hour ago, athos said: As a Ukrainian, I am very sad that someone like you is against the righteous struggle of the Ukrainian people. I hope you will be on the right side of history. Slava Ukraini You just used a YouTube video, of a twice convicted pedophile. He is a disgraced man, who hates the USA. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athos Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said: You just used a YouTube video, of a twice convicted pedophile. He is a disgraced man, who hates the USA. Goodness me, what baseless accusations? Slava Ukraini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUI_Offender Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 12 minutes ago, athos said: Goodness me, what baseless accusations? Slava Ukraini Scott Ritter released from prison after exposing himself to 15 year old girl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 On 8/17/2024 at 7:50 AM, DUI_Offender said: To root for Russia (the aggressors), is despicable). I don't think pointing out realities, is rooting for Russia. The reality is that nobody is winning this war. The war will end at the negotiation table. The only thing that matters as a result, is to have the best possible negotiating hand when those said tables are set to host both countries at war. Russia will obviously do all in its power to extend this war up until the US elections, where it likely thinks is where it will get favorable results. Ukraine is quite aware of this, so is trying to gain leverage of their own. Regardless of how you look at it, there is no way Russia negotiates without sticking to all if not most of the land it has taken. Not sure how Ukraine's incursion changes that, unless they plan to take Moscow next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athos Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 On 8/18/2024 at 7:23 AM, Army Guy said: No misunderstanding at all, your an Id1ot period...you've used these men deaths for your own enjoyment, and to spark a reaction from the public who are rarely exposed to these graphic pictures....I don't care what side your on, you have disrespected the dead in a huge way, not to mention if the family every seen these images...it would be devastating to them and their friends....It was a dick move... Completely wrong conclusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 Just now, athos said: Completely wrong conclusion Look i don't know what you where to gain by showing those pictures, it does nothing for your cause, and like i said it is not an accepted practice here in the west, be it Russian or Ukrainian soldiers...i asked you what do you think if the family or friends sees those images, if they were family or friends of your would you want some person spreading them over the intra net....it is considered disrespect to the soldiers , family, friends.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 (edited) On 8/16/2024 at 8:57 PM, Army Guy said: At what price is it going to cost Ukraine....this incursion is not going to change anything...not for Ukraine, not for Russia, at most it is a temporary moral booster for Ukrainian troops, which will be short lived...and completely forgotten in a few months. In the big picture it was a waste of time and lives.... Funny. Maybe we should talk more about Russia's phenomenal progress in eastern Ukraine .🙄 More and more over the last couple of years, your opinions seem to just fall in line with whatever the rest of the "brand" is saying. Edited August 19 by Moonbox 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 On 8/17/2024 at 10:33 PM, DUI_Offender said: You just used a YouTube video, of a twice convicted pedophile. He is a disgraced man, who hates the USA. athos doesn't warrant any actual response, beyond mockery. This is a paid Russian troll, and he sucks at his job. 🤣 2 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 6 hours ago, Army Guy said: Look i don't know what you where to gain by showing those pictures There is nothing to excuse with showing those pictures. They did it to humiliate, and are playing innocent after being called out for it. Note how they posted no such pictures of Russia? Thats like posting compromising pictures of an ex, because you loved her. Reality, is its petty and vengeful. Anyone would be able to see it as BS. 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: This is a paid Russian troll Paid? That is disturbing. Thats like renting a car that doesn't have a muffler or brakes. Same question comes into play: "You're going to pay for that?!" "Can't you just walk?". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 8 hours ago, Perspektiv said: Paid? That is disturbing. Thats like renting a car that doesn't have a muffler or brakes. Same question comes into play: "You're going to pay for that?!" "Can't you just walk?". He was caught red-handed posting the exact same posts on Australian and UK forums. The guy who discovered it quit the forum and deleted all of his posts, but those of us who saw it, remember. He's textbook troll-farm, and let's be honest...the people working there aren't the world's best and brightest. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 On 8/17/2024 at 4:46 PM, Army Guy said: well over a thousand men have or are taking part of this mission, Your ex military think they have a plan for extraction...they are going to push until expended, and the farther they push the more exposed their flanks are... OK... so, what do you think? We are both arm chair quarterbacks here with zero real information on what their operational plans are. So, what is more realistic here, that Ukraine is on some kind of Kamakazee mission here with no care or regard in the world for how it ends? Or, maybe they have plans and strategy... maybe that doesn't work out exactly as planned, because war is hell or maybe this does work as intended but with some costs... because war is hell. On 8/17/2024 at 4:46 PM, Army Guy said: Moral booster are a huge thing , but like anything they are time sensitive...they only last a few weeks then they are gone, is that benefit worth over a thousand men's lives.. I trust that to them, this was worth it, as they are the ones doing it. What is your purpose and motivation here in criticizing it? You are playing at the angle that men are dying... well, is it just that you think Ukraine should have sent these men to die somewhere else on the war front instead? Because your criticisms are coming across as if *anything* Ukraine is doing is going to be a waste of men. On 8/17/2024 at 4:46 PM, Army Guy said: Should they surrender, thats a complicated question... Well, no, it isn't. The point of the question, is as I alluded to above, is that your criticism come across as if anything Ukraine does is a waste. Even now, I ask a fairly straightforward question about what you think... you come up with this and end up saying it is up to them. Well... so is pushing into Kursk too, but you have lots of opinions on that. I asked this because it seems you are angling at this entire war as hopeless. So, do you want them to surrender? 1 Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 15 hours ago, athos said: Completely wrong conclusion Not based on your past posts here. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 14 hours ago, Moonbox said: Funny. Maybe we should talk more about Russia's phenomenal progress in eastern Ukraine .🙄 More and more over the last couple of years, your opinions seem to just fall in line with whatever the rest of the "brand" is saying. Funny i thought i had already proven that fact to you, even gave you colorful maps so you could follow along...I don't recall ever saying it was phenomenal progress, but rather slow and steady....lets not rehash all of that again shall we...it upsets your british DUI talking head.... What brand is that ?, let me guess the Russian cheerleading crowd that brand....or perhaps the the i'm a disgraced soldier brand, i'm not sure what brand it is any more... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 4 hours ago, User said: OK... so, what do you think? We are both arm chair quarterbacks here with zero real information on what their operational plans are. So, what is more realistic here, that Ukraine is on some kind of Kamakazee mission here with no care or regard in the world for how it ends? Or, maybe they have plans and strategy... maybe that doesn't work out exactly as planned, because war is hell or maybe this does work as intended but with some costs... because war is hell. I trust that to them, this was worth it, as they are the ones doing it. What is your purpose and motivation here in criticizing it? You are playing at the angle that men are dying... well, is it just that you think Ukraine should have sent these men to die somewhere else on the war front instead? Because your criticisms are coming across as if *anything* Ukraine is doing is going to be a waste of men. Well, no, it isn't. The point of the question, is as I alluded to above, is that your criticism come across as if anything Ukraine does is a waste. Even now, I ask a fairly straightforward question about what you think... you come up with this and end up saying it is up to them. Well... so is pushing into Kursk too, but you have lots of opinions on that. I asked this because it seems you are angling at this entire war as hopeless. So, do you want them to surrender? I think the mission was meant as a distraction, perhaps to have Russia pull soldier from elsewhere to counter, Ukraine is hoping those troops come from areas that Russia is pushing right now... I'm pretty sure Ukraine did not plan it being so successful...With no protection on the flanks it would not take much to cut off their means of resupply and withdrawal....so yes it kind of makes it a kamikaze mission...WAR is hell, not sure if you have time in combat, but throwing soldiers lives away for no real gain, is a waste of human lives...and the excuse of war is hell does not cut it with the guy on the ground that is doing the dying...being there many times, has hardened my opinion....soldiers want to know that their lives are not going to be wasted on some task that will not effect the outcome of the conflict... What is my purpose or motivation, about criticizing it, I think i have been pretty non bias about my criticism on the whole conflict, I'm not a Russian cheerleader or shrill as some have suggested, i full support Ukraines right to defend itself from Russia, i have called out on many times NATO lack of support, like they don't want this war to end...or afraid of how the optics look to Russia don't poke the bear comes to mind...And now some countries are withdrawing their support to ukraine , germany being one of them, this is a huge blow to ukraine as germany is a huge supporter...How long do you think before other nations follow the same path...then there is the US election coming will the winner continue to support Ukraine, I'm sure the Ukrainian government is pondering all of these questions and have to be influencing all their current decisions... Ukraine is producing massive russian casualties while defending sending these units some of their best units i might add, off on this adventure, sounds and looks desperate for one, those troops could have been used in areas that truly need them on the defensive side of the line...But it is not having much effect on Russian current war plans...add in to the fact NATO is not going to supply weapons in numbers that would allow Ukraine to go on the offensive...one has to wonder, how long is the war going to last? how much ground is russia going to take ? How much longer is NATO going to support Ukraine ? One thing that should be crystal clear right now is Russia is not bother by the huge daily losses of men and equipment....NATO can not resupply Ukraine fast enough , supplies and equipment are coming in in dribs and dabbles...and are consumed as soon as they arrive... Ukraine is asking it self everyday, how they continue to fight for their nation, with Russia slowly advancing on most fronts, lack of NATO support, and now some NATO countries turning off the taps....Why would they not look at all their options ? Ukraine is facing some tough decisions right now, it is losing ground to the Russians daily, it as already demonstrated it is not concerned with losses of men and equipment, Russia is not willing to come to the table right now unless Ukraine offers them something big...NATO supply is dwindling, and will come to an end....US elections are a big question on who is going to win and what happens to US support after elections.... Is the war hopeless....you tell me, do you see NATO aid turning the corner and giving Ukraine the weapons in numbers they need to go on the offensive....with out this NATO aid it is only a matter of time before Ukraine forces weaken and Russia makes huge gains...Everyone here continues to say Russia is losing huge numbers everyday...But so is Ukraine, which has only so many soldiers that are trained and experience, soon they will be on the same footing as Russia putting in green troops with barely a few weeks training... NATO is the problem here, not my comments or others on this forum....without NATO support it is my opinion that Ukraine will not be able to hold back Russia...Surrender is an option,not a very attractive one but so is to bring Russia to the table to negotiate... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. 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User Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 15 minutes ago, Army Guy said: With no protection on the flanks it would not take much to cut off their means of resupply and withdrawal....so yes it kind of makes it a kamikaze mission... Do you have some insight on their exact troop placements to know they have no protection on the flanks? Looks like the have more of a plan than you give them credit for: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/18/europe/zelensky-kursk-incursion-second-bridge-intl/index.html 17 minutes ago, Army Guy said: WAR is hell, not sure if you have time in combat, but throwing soldiers lives away for no real gain, is a waste of human lives.. Where do you get this is for no real gain? 18 minutes ago, Army Guy said: soldiers want to know that their lives are not going to be wasted on some task that will not effect the outcome of the conflict... Your presumption being this will have no outcome on the conflict... 20 minutes ago, Army Guy said: .And now some countries are withdrawing their support to ukraine , germany being one of them Where do you get this information from? The last think I read, 3 hours ago, is talking about what the 2025 budget will look like, with perhaps some reductions... but there has been no official budget cuts to supporting Ukraine as of yet. 23 minutes ago, Army Guy said: ...But it is not having much effect on Russian current war plans... Really? Putin has struggled with an effective response. Ukraine continues to take more land in Russia. My God man, you have been railing on here about how much land Russia keeps taking and Ukraine has taken more Russian land in a couple of weeks than Russia has taken all year from Ukraine. Putin has had to pull troops off the lines and scramble other units together to put some kind of response in place. This is what, the first time since WWII Russia has been invaded? This whole thing changes the narrative Putin has been spinning for his people. I just can't... I can't with your constant exaggerated down playing of this while you have been on here touting over and over again how much land Russia gains. You claim you are not a cheerleader, but almost everything you say is overly negative about Ukraine and overly positive for Russia. 30 minutes ago, Army Guy said: and now some NATO countries turning off the taps... Which ones? Not Germany. Funds for 2024 have been allocated. What "tap" is being turned off? Ukraine just started getting F-16s this month too. 32 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Ukraine is facing some tough decisions right now, it is losing ground to the Russians daily Right now, Russia is losing more of its own territory daily. Vastly more. 33 minutes ago, Army Guy said: NATO supply is dwindling Where are you getting this? 34 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Surrender is an option,not a very attractive one but so is to bring Russia to the table to negotiate... You dodged the question again. You can sit her and tell me exactly what you think about this incursion into Russia... but you can't say yes or no to surrender? This is why folks like me start to really question your motives here on top of what I outlined already about how you portray things. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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