Ukraine Can't Win the War

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1 minute ago, -TSS- said:

Afd in Germany and  Le Pen's party in France are definitely more pro-Russia than pro-Ukraine.

Trump supporters may not be pro-Russia but certainly not pro-Ukraine either.

You mean far-right fools. A true nationalist is loyal to the values of his respective country.

 

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, -TSS- said:

Afd in Germany and  Le Pen's party in France are definitely more pro-Russia than pro-Ukraine.

Trump supporters may not be pro-Russia but certainly not pro-Ukraine either.

Ukraine is one of the areas you can distinguish between just a partisan Republican and a die-hard, window-licking MAGA chud.  The former remembers the Soviet Union and understands that Vladimir Putin is just as bad or worse.  The latter just slurp whatever batshit nonsense the opinion clowns on Fox News or Twitter etc are saying, and couldn't form a nuanced thought to save the lives of their children. 

 

Edited September 16, 2024 by Moonbox

[Videospirit]

4 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

You mean far-right fools. A true nationalist is loyal to the values of his respective country.

 

I think you're getting Patriots and Nationalists confused. Nationalists don't give 2 shits about their countries values, they want their country to be the best, and they want the power to shape it to their desires. That desire for power means they admire people like Putin who have that power over their own countries, and see him as worthy of emulation, and anything that challenges Putin's perceived success is a direct assault on their power fantasy worldview.

[Nationalist]

On 9/15/2024 at 6:53 PM, DUI_Offender said:

You mean far-right fools. A true nationalist is loyal to the values of his respective country.

 

Wrong.

A true Nationalist wants what's best for his/her nation.

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41 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Wrong.

A true Nationalist wants what's best for his/her nation.

Does this mean you will be changing your username? 🤣

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Does this mean you will be changing your username? 🤣

No. It means I will always be here to show just how insane and destructive people like you are.

[Moonbox]

42 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

No. It means I will always be here to show just how insane and destructive people like you are.

...by showing how deluded and generally confused you are?  

Okay.  🤡

[Nationalist]

25 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

...by showing how deluded and generally confused you are?  

Okay.  🤡

Oh are you allowed to use your parents 'puter again?

[sharkman]

So Ukraine has been getting all kinds of intel on Russia from the West.  Obviously the drones they used to strike a Russian ammo site last night are from the West.  

What’s clear is, the West/NATO wants war.  We know Biden wants it.  The Military Industrial Complex wants it.  The Deep State wants it.  So war there shall be.  The only question is, when do they provoke Putin enough that he decides to take the gloves off?  

If he decides to strike the West, it will have to be devastating.  At that point an escalation into a world war will be quite possible.  

 

Edited September 19, 2024 by sharkman
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[User]

7 hours ago, sharkman said:

So Ukraine has been getting all kinds of intel on Russia from the West.  Obviously the drones they used to strike a Russian ammo site last night are from the West.  

What’s clear is, the West/NATO wants war.  We know Biden wants it.  The Military Industrial Complex wants it.  The Deep State wants it.  So war there shall be.  The only question is, when do they provoke Putin enough that he decides to take the gloves off?  

If he decides to strike the West, it will have to be devastating.  At that point an escalation into a world war will be quite possible.  

 

No one wanted war. Russia was the one that pushed all of this. They invaded Crimea and took advantage of the chaos in the Ukraine government. Then Russia coordinated the Donbas take over, backed a proxy war, and outright sent in Russian troops, and then Russia launched a full scale invasion. 

Every step of the way it has been Russia pushing this. 

The west would have been just fine with no war. 

[Videospirit]

On 9/17/2024 at 12:29 PM, Nationalist said:

Wrong.

A true Nationalist wants what's best for his/her nation.

The problem is "What's best for his/her nation" is subjective, so nationalists are inherently destructive because no nation can universally agree on anything subjective, and since Nationalism is an extreme ideology, they want what's best and if they have to oppress dissenters to achieve "what's best" for their nation that's what they'll do.

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Videospirit said:

The problem is "What's best for his/her nation" is subjective, so nationalists are inherently destructive because no nation can universally agree on anything subjective, and since Nationalism is an extreme ideology, they want what's best and if they have to oppress dissenters to achieve "what's best" for their nation that's what they'll do.

And liberalism is not subjective? 

4 hours ago, Videospirit said:

Nationalism is an extreme ideology, they want what's best and if they have to oppress dissenters to achieve "what's best" for their nation that's what they'll do.

I see. Perhaps you'd like to explain how freezing bank accounts and charging peaceful protestors is not "oppressive"

Or explain how flooding a nation with "refugees" and "students", costing the nation billions, driving up housing costs, contributing to more inflation and creating or enhancing racial tension, is not "oppressive".

Or how suppression of ideas and opinions is not "oppressive".

Or how actively lying about a climate "crisis" that has never been declared a "crisis" by any peer reviewed science document, again costing the nation billions in costs, is not "oppressive"?

You're blowin' chunks here. Dealing in fear-porn chickenshit. Nothing the European or North American Liberals have done, has produced positive results for any nation's citizens.

Have a warm and fuzzy day...

[sharkman]

13 hours ago, User said:

No one wanted war. Russia was the one that pushed all of this. They invaded Crimea and took advantage of the chaos in the Ukraine government. Then Russia coordinated the Donbas take over, backed a proxy war, and outright sent in Russian troops, and then Russia launched a full scale invasion. 

Every step of the way it has been Russia pushing this. 

The west would have been just fine with no war. 

The current Russia Ukraine situation started in 2014.  The West and NATO  have been pushing Russia into conflict since then.  For a very specific reason.

[User]

17 minutes ago, sharkman said:

The current Russia Ukraine situation started in 2014.  The West and NATO  have been pushing Russia into conflict since then.  For a very specific reason.

No one pushed Russia to do anything.Russia chose this war all on their own. 

 

[Nationalist]

On 9/20/2024 at 10:00 AM, User said:

No one pushed Russia to do anything.Russia chose this war all on their own. 

 

No...that's simply not true.

And now it looks like Comic-Boy sees the inevitable.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr7582l4015o

 

[User]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No...that's simply not true.

And now it looks like Comic-Boy sees the inevitable.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr7582l4015o

 

It is comical how you guys just come back to these conversations every few weeks or so, like this is it, this is the end. It has been the end for Ukraine since before the invasion and you guys will be back here in another few weeks with this same stupidity. 

Clearly you did not read the article. 

And yes, it is true, no one pushed Russia into any war. Of course, you are here taking their side again. No surprise there. 

[Nationalist]

13 hours ago, User said:

It is comical how you guys just come back to these conversations every few weeks or so, like this is it, this is the end. It has been the end for Ukraine since before the invasion and you guys will be back here in another few weeks with this same stupidity. 

Clearly you did not read the article. 

And yes, it is true, no one pushed Russia into any war. Of course, you are here taking their side again. No surprise there. 

I read it. 

[User]

8 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I read it. 

Clearly not. 

[Videospirit]

11 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I read it. 

Ok, so you agree that Ukraine will Force Russia to accept peace and withdraw from Ukraine if Ukraine is given more support like that article is talking about?

Because if you'd read it, you'd know that's what it says.

[Nationalist]

33 minutes ago, Videospirit said:

Ok, so you agree that Ukraine will Force Russia to accept peace and withdraw from Ukraine if Ukraine is given more support like that article is talking about?

Because if you'd read it, you'd know that's what it says.

No. That I can't see happening. These articles always try to push that narrative but, Ukraine getting all that land back is not likely to happen.

[Videospirit]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No. That I can't see happening. These articles always try to push that narrative but, Ukraine getting all that land back is not likely to happen.

Than you are completely misrepresenting that article. It does not support your claims at all.

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Videospirit said:

Than you are completely misrepresenting that article. It does not support your claims at all.

The only people who think Ukraine will come out of this with the Donbas and Crimea under the Ukrainian flag, are people like you. I don't think even comic-boy believes it. 

The USA is not gonna help comic-boy shoot long range missiles into Russia and risk nuclear war.

It appears that comic-boy thought he could enhance his negotiating position by invading inside Russia, thus giving him something to trade for Donbas. That's been a flop and now his troops are even more depleted. 

I know you "want" Ukraine to beat Russian troops back to Moscow. But reality and what you "want", are complete opposites. In fact, should the USA help fire missiles into Russia, the consequences would be devastating and would not achieve anything but the complete destruction of Ukraine AND potentially nations like Poland.

Is that acceptable to you?

Edited October 7, 2024 by Nationalist

[Videospirit]

14 hours ago, Nationalist said:

The only people who think Ukraine will come out of this with the Donbas and Crimea under the Ukrainian flag, are people like you. I don't think even comic-boy believes it. 

The USA is not gonna help comic-boy shoot long range missiles into Russia and risk nuclear war.

It appears that comic-boy thought he could enhance his negotiating position by invading inside Russia, thus giving him something to trade for Donbas. That's been a flop and now his troops are even more depleted. 

I know you "want" Ukraine to beat Russian troops back to Moscow. But reality and what you "want", are complete opposites. In fact, should the USA help fire missiles into Russia, the consequences would be devastating and would not achieve anything but the complete destruction of Ukraine AND potentially nations like Poland.

Is that acceptable to you?

What the hell does any of this have to do with your insane belief that the President of Ukraine is planning to surrender the occupied land to Russia soon, or the article you linked's supposed support for your fantastical position?

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, Videospirit said:

What the hell does any of this have to do with your insane belief that the President of Ukraine is planning to surrender the occupied land to Russia soon, or the article you linked's supposed support for your fantastical position?

You can't see the trees for your desires. Ok...time will tell.

[User]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You can't see the trees for your desires. Ok...time will tell.

Once again... you did not read that article.