Are Nfld and Quebec Sustainable?

[August1991]

Whatever happens, such societies will survive.

Newfoundlanders have managed for several centuries.

Quebec now has hydro-electric resources.

Centuries later, both still have distinct accents that have survived to the present. 

[August1991]

I am convinced that as in 1730, or in 1930 - people in 2130 in Levis will speak with the same accent.

Just as people in Bonavista 

[August1991]

Iceland has some 300,000 people and it has survived for over 1000 years. Newfoundland has now some 700,000 people and has survived for about 600 years.

Island people.

[Guest]

No. Nuke them. Tabarnak.

Am totally kidding. 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 2/24/2024 at 3:13 AM, August1991 said:

Quebec now has hydro-electric resources.

Some of which belong to Newfoundland and Labrador…

I’m glad I’m only a Come From Away when I think about the Churchill Falls deal as otherwise green slime would be shooting out of my head on a regular basis. If Hydro Quebec had negotiated something so inequitable and nakedly colonial with a developing country it would have been shamed into walking away decades ago. 

Edited April 10, 2024 by SpankyMcFarland

[August1991]

17 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Some of which belong to Newfoundland and Labrador…

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I never liked this term "Newfoundland and Labrador".

Newfoundland is not Labrador. Newfoundland is an island.

Labrador is a coast.

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I understand the political/federal/international ideas between the distinction.

But to me, Newfoundland is an island.

[ExFlyer]

9 hours ago, August1991 said:

I never liked this term "Newfoundland and Labrador".

Newfoundland is not Labrador. Newfoundland is an island.

Labrador is a coast.

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I understand the political/federal/international ideas between the distinction.

But to me, Newfoundland is an island.

Yeah but the last thing Labrdorians (Labradites?) wanted is to be part of Quebec so they chose Newfoundland and Newfoundland chose them. Wise decision on both parts LOL

[herbie]

So if we wish that govt acts like responsible business and Quebec and N&L aren't a good ROI we should sell them off.
I'm sure Russia would be real interested. That would force the USA to bid even higher.

You do post the weirdest things. What the hell is the point of this thread?

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, herbie said:

So if we wish that govt acts like responsible business and Quebec and N&L aren't a good ROI we should sell them off.
I'm sure Russia would be real interested. That would force the USA to bid even higher.

You do post the weirdest things. What the hell is the point of this thread?

No, we just let the west continue to increase their seat count without bumping   quebecs or N/L's and eventually their votes won't count and we can exploit them appropriately.    If they try to go on their own - 2000 percent tarrif on anything coming in or out and then we buy them back for pennies on the dollar when they collapse.

[August1991]

On 4/10/2024 at 9:09 AM, ExFlyer said:

Yeah but the last thing Labrdorians (Labradites?) wanted is to be part of Quebec so they chose Newfoundland and Newfoundland chose them. Wise decision on both parts LOL

The British government in the 1920s (when Newfoundland was still outside Canada) decided that the division would be the headwaters. It decided that Labrador was not part of Canada.

At the time, most people in Labrador were indigenous. Newfoundlanders fished on the coast.

Moreover, most people in the lower north shore (Canada, Quebec) speak English with a Newfoundland accent. They live in places with French names. Blanc Sablon.

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There are places in the world we know with two names: St-Pierre et Miquelon, Bosnia and Herzogovina, São Tomé and Príncipe etc.

Newfoundland is a distinct place. Labrador is different.

I have no problem with a provincial government of Newfoundland within a federal Canada.

There is no such place as "Newfoundland & Labrador".

 

 

Edited April 12, 2024 by August1991

[Dougie93]

On 2/24/2024 at 2:07 AM, August1991 said:

Island people.

Newfies are tough in terms of enduring hardship gladly

but not particularly aggressive

more of a congenial bunch

if you want Island people who will close with & destroy the enemies of the Crown without mercy nor quarter

you recruit from Cape Breton

[herbie]

Some Albertans might not like this, but the nation is a commonwealth. We try to spread things around, we don't want "hardship" areas. The same laws, the same benefits for everyone.

Don't like it? The border's walking distance for most of you.

[August1991]

On 4/12/2024 at 4:18 PM, Dougie93 said:

Newfies are tough....

 

Disagree. Island people are practical.

In smaller islands, the women in particular.

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But I agree that island people are different. The Japanese are different from the Chinese, and the British from the French.

Edited May 5, 2024 by August1991

[CdnFox]

On 4/13/2024 at 4:54 PM, herbie said:

Some Albertans might not like this, but the nation is a commonwealth. We try to spread things around, we don't want "hardship" areas. The same laws, the same benefits for everyone.

Don't like it? The border's walking distance for most of you.

We can always make a new border if we need to.

Sounds like quebec is going to have another referrendum - that does tend to inspire others to think about it as well.

I see the conservatives party in BC is pulling ahead of the ndp despite the fact they're not a very good or well organized party. We'lll see if they can pull it together enough to capitalize on that - i kind of doubt it - but the fact that party is polling in the lead alone shows people are sick of the woke crap and being told that 'if they don't like it they can leave'.  There's another choice - we can kick leftist asswipes out.

[herbie]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I see the conservatives party in BC is pulling ahead of the ndp despite the fact they're not a very good or well organized party

So you say. You're the expert of pulling things out of your ass..

You are correct about the Conservatives though. You people have yelled so loud and so long that many people think anything labelled "conservative" must be "better".
Go out and buy a new Dell.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

So you say. You're the expert of pulling things out of your ass..

Beats being the expert in putting things IN your ass. Hows that working out for you

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You are correct about the Conservatives though. You people have yelled so loud and so long that many people think anything labelled "conservative" must be "better".

Oh we didn't have to yell very loud.  10 years of watching our country and our childrens futures fall apart with one failed woke social experiment after another and people were ready to jump ship with barely a whisper.  Because as it turns out- conservative thinking IS actually "better" by a long shot.
 

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Go out and buy a new Dell.

Oddly specific advice   Did you think the facts and truth would change if i purchased a new computer?  It's bad enough when you guys blame harper for the facts, blaming the keypad the facts get typed on is a new low   Did you have any suggestions,  which keyboard or laptop do YOU find best for altering the facts to your liking?

[August1991]

On 5/5/2024 at 4:11 PM, CdnFox said:

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Sounds like quebec is going to have another referrendum - that does tend to inspire others to think about it as well.

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Many people in the West have similar thoughts.

[August1991]

Bulgaria. The Bulgarian language.

For about 500 years, these people lived under the Turks - yet they survived.

Stubborn is maybe the definition of sustainable.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

Many people in the West have similar thoughts.

Sure.  We don't get along. 

At least we try tho -  For ages the battle cry from western conservatives was "the west wants in".   We just wanted fair representation. Preston manning was famous for the term. 

And when the progressive conservatives refused to let us in, we destroyed them and started another party and eventually took over. So at least we were committed to trying even though we don't get along

Quebec never does that. Quebec just wants to separate. Because Quebec doesn't get along with anyone.

We just don't get along

[August1991]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure.  We don't get along. 

At least we try tho -  For ages the battle cry from western conservatives was "the west wants in".   We just wanted fair representation. Preston manning was famous for the term. 

And when the progressive conservatives refused to let us in, we destroyed them and started another party and eventually took over. So at least we were committed to trying even though we don't get along

Quebec never does that. Quebec just wants to separate. Because Quebec doesn't get along with anyone.

We just don't get along

Disagree.

Around the world, we Canadians are known for one feature above all: We get along.

[August1991]

Get along? On s'entend. We hear each other.

Nixon used this word differently - detente.

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In French, it has a sexual meaning. We Canadians get along

[CdnFox]

58 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

Around the world, we Canadians are known for one feature above all: We get along.

You're wrong.  We used to be known for that many years ago.  Now we are known for our corruption and that we don't get along.   And you yourself pointed it out in this thread. 

Lying about such things is instead of facing the truth and addressing it is why our reputation around the world is diminishing. 

For 10 years justin trudeau has won election after election by turning us against each other.  We don't get along. 

[cougar]

On 2/23/2024 at 10:56 PM, August1991 said:

I am convinced that as in 1730, or in 1930 - people in 2130 in Levis will speak with the same accent.

Just as people in Bonavista 

What was the subject of your post?

"Sustainable"?  Newfoundland relied on clobbering seals, netting cod and harpooning whales; population would have been smaller back then.  All of this was definitely not sustainable, is no longer happening and cannot continue no more.

Population keeps growing and my bet would be, if the provinces you mention still exist in 2130, their residents will speak with a pronounced Punjabi or Cantonese accents.

 

 

 

[cougar]

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

For 10 years justin trudeau has won election after election by turning us against each other.  We don't get along. 

They win (both liberals and conservatives) when people are fed up with the lies of one of them and they have to chose the other.  Like a pendulum - it swings and nothing changes - only counts time.

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, cougar said:

They win (both liberals and conservatives) when people are fed up with the lies of one of them and they have to chose the other.  Like a pendulum - it swings and nothing changes - only counts time.

That's a popular belief, but the evidence and research says otherwise. The evidence was overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that had Paul Martin not successfully pulled off his coup and ditched correction that correction would have won the next election with the majority. People were fairly sick of Justin after his first term but didn't want to move because Justin convinced them that the evil conservatives would come eat their babies. Sheer and Aaron were not good campaigners and Trudeau ate their Lunch. Poilievre is a very good campaigner and is slaughtering Trudeau

But as we've seen provincially people are willing to stay with one government for a long long time. But that government does have to give them what they are looking for, and some of that is the correct lies. The voters do not want people to be honest, they want to be told the lies they want to hear. But they also expect results and if they don't get some results then there's a problem. But they won't switch unless there is someone that they perceive as being a better choice.

Honestly, if voters took politics seriously and held the leaders to account for what they have promised and what they have achieved and punished the hell out of them when they don't keep their word or behave corruptly or fail to achieve things that they have promised that they would etc then we would get much better leadership.