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21 hours ago, eyeball said:

Actually the absorption of some 27 million Canadian voters into America's elections might easily make it impossible for Republicans to ever win again.

This is what you'd be looking at.

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https://www.thewrit.ca/p/how-canada-would-vote-in-a-us-election

Your misjudging millions of voters who i'm sure would embrace the American right....just look at mad maxs crowd right now...look at the convoy crowd, tell me they are voting with the left...

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On 2/23/2024 at 12:56 PM, Army Guy said:

Your misjudging millions of voters who i'm sure would embrace the American right....just look at mad maxs crowd right now...look at the convoy crowd, tell me they are voting with the left...

Mice nuts.

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19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Mice nuts.

We're not here to discuss your medical problems - what about the voters?

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!! Snicker snicker chortle snicker :P 

(oh don't look like that - you KNOW there was no way i could pass  a line like that up... )

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On 2/23/2024 at 3:56 PM, Army Guy said:

Your misjudging millions of voters who i'm sure would embrace the American right....just look at mad maxs crowd right now...look at the convoy crowd, tell me they are voting with the left...

How big is the Mad Max crowd bud?  Have you ever looked that up?  

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6 hours ago, Moonbox said:

How big is the Mad Max crowd bud?  Have you ever looked that up?  

Does not matter how big the mad max crowd is, Eyeball said Canadians would vote democratic, to which i replied do you think Mad max's crowd is going to vote Democrat, personal think most of the Conservative vote would park with the republicans' but like everyones guess Thats just my opinion... 

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10 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Does not matter how big the mad max crowd is, Eyeball said Canadians would vote democratic, to which i replied do you think Mad max's crowd is going to vote Democrat,

I don't think anybody suggested that the dumbest and furthest right of the electorate would vote Democrat. The Mad max crowd are mice nuts.  The FREEDOM donkeys were also a minority.  

Right now as it stands, roughly 70% of Canadians would vote for Biden.   🫡

 

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16 hours ago, Moonbox said:

I don't think anybody suggested that the dumbest and furthest right of the electorate would vote Democrat. The Mad max crowd are mice nuts.  The FREEDOM donkeys were also a minority.  

Right now as it stands, roughly 70% of Canadians would vote for Biden.   🫡

 

Not that i'm a trump fan, shit i'm not even a PP fan, but 70 % is pretty high...And biden is well past his due date...and in my opinion not Presidential material...and if i had to vote it would be trump...just as i'm voting PP because he is the better canidate. 

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11 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Not that i'm a trump fan, shit i'm not even a PP fan, but 70 % is pretty high.

and yet that's still the number of Canadians who'd vote for Biden over Trump.  

11 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

And biden is well past his due date...and in my opinion not Presidential material...and if i had to vote it would be trump...

Trump, the man who called US service members who get captured/killed/wounded "losers", and who casually suggested we might be able inject bleach into our blood to cure COVID,  is the man you consider more presidential.  SURE.  

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9 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

and yet that's still the number of Canadians who'd vote for Biden over Trump.  

Trump, the man who called US service members who get captured/killed/wounded "losers", and who casually suggested we might be able inject bleach into our blood to cure COVID,  is the man you consider more presidential.  SURE.  

One again i find that heard to believe , not that it really matters as it will never happen, be kind of hard to prove since there was no vote in Canada..

One could also write pages upon pages of biden gaff's...and again since it will never happen, this is pure fantasy...Justin and other liberals have said some very unflattering things about military people as well...One needs to have thick skin to be a soldier...and thats not what i don't like about Justin...i mean WTF does he know about our military, no more than the average canadian which is not very much...

what i despise about justin is all the lies and how deceitful they are as a party... and how his policies are hurting us as a nation in almost every way...

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3 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

One again i find that heard to believe , not that it really matters as it will never happen, be kind of hard to prove since there was no vote in Canada..

You only find it hard to believe because of your bias.  If you actually looked it up, you'd see it's true, and not just here in Canada, but all over the world.  Your skepticism, like with many things, only seems to point in one direction.  

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5 hours ago, Moonbox said:

You only find it hard to believe because of your bias.  If you actually looked it up, you'd see it's true, and not just here in Canada, but all over the world.  Your skepticism, like with many things, only seems to point in one direction.  

Your basing it on a poll that was conducted by 1500 Canadians...WOW, Canadians find it hard to keep track of our own politics, not sure how many are making informed decisions, shit you could include myself in that pile, as i don't really follow US politics all that hard....as i find ours are pretty screwed up and extremely hard to keep track of lies and deception by all parties... So am i bias, probably, but don't shit me and tell me those 1500 are not bias as well, Trump is not liked up here at all...Canadians need trump to come back to help set things back to center...

Not sure what you mean about my skepticism, like many things , only seem to point in one direction...perhaps you can give me some examples, more than one please... 

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47 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Your basing it on a poll that was conducted by 1500 Canadians...

Which poll are you referring to?  Did I post one? 

Nevermind that 1500 Canadians surveyed is actually a decent and statistically significant sample size, there have been lots of other similar polls, both larger and smaller, taken across Canada.  Most of them show Trump wouldn't even win Alberta, let alone anywhere else.   

47 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Not sure what you mean about my skepticism, like many things , only seem to point in one direction...perhaps you can give me some examples, more than one please... 

I mean that you come to these topics with your mind already made up, before you do any research on them.

You find it "hard to believe" that all of the polling going back years and up to today show Trump is consistently  and wildly unpopular in Canada.  That's only because you never bothered looking. 

You have a lot to say about Biden's gaff's, but somehow miss how Trump makes the same sort of mistakes all the time, with the added bonus of his deranged ranting and the parade of former colleagues, appointees and friends warning he's unfit for office.  

You say the thing you hate the most about Justin are his lies, but figure that Trump is better than Biden, despite Trump's record of compulsive, brazen and absurdly easy-to-disprove lies?  We're talking truly ridiculous stuff, and that doesn't even touch on all of the court cases demonstrating and proving his pathological lying.  

These are just a couple examples pulled from one thread.  You're not a dumb guy and can put things together when you try.  Unfortunately your scrutiny and skepticism only seems to point in one direction.  

 

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Which poll are you referring to?  Did I post one? 

Nevermind that 1500 Canadians surveyed is actually a decent and statistically significant sample size, there have been lots of other similar polls, both larger and smaller, taken across Canada.  Most of them show Trump wouldn't even win Alberta, let alone anywhere else.   

I mean that you come to these topics with your mind already made up, before you do any research on them.

You find it "hard to believe" that all of the polling going back years and up to today show Trump is consistently  and wildly unpopular in Canada.  That's only because you never bothered looking. 

You have a lot to say about Biden's gaff's, but somehow miss how Trump makes the same sort of mistakes all the time, with the added bonus of his deranged ranting and the parade of former colleagues, appointees and friends warning he's unfit for office.  

You say the thing you hate the most about Justin are his lies, but figure that Trump is better than Biden, despite Trump's record of compulsive, brazen and absurdly easy-to-disprove lies?  We're talking truly ridiculous stuff, and that doesn't even touch on all of the court cases demonstrating and proving his pathological lying.  

These are just a couple examples pulled from one thread.  You're not a dumb guy and can put things together when you try.  Unfortunately your scrutiny and skepticism only seems to point in one direction.  

 

Polls are a tricky issue, but 1500 canadians is only a very very small representation of the 15,000,000 Canadians that can vote. leaving me still skeptical on the results...like any poll taken with a grain of salt...

Sometimes i do, are you saying you've researched every topic you have posted to...be honest...and if you have then kudos, your a much better poster than i am..That and 3 bucks will get you a coffee...

regardless of how many gaffs both have made while in office, that biden may have been more popular in Canada which really means squat.......but being popular is only a small percentage of being a leader of the most powerful nation...actions count more....And why do Americans find him more popular than biden...The left is drowning in both countries...becasue of their coc* ups...

Yes my skepticism does point in one direction.. In both countries the left has screwed up so bad, that people are demanding they step down...Justin is not only the most hated PM, but in a recent poll he is also hated across the globe...that has got to say something...as for trump...i really hope he gets elected, and brings things closer to the center...holding PP to the fire...this time with something more forceful than stern words... 

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15 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Polls are a tricky issue, but 1500 canadians is only a very very small representation of the 15,000,000 Canadians that can vote. leaving me still skeptical on the results...like any poll taken with a grain of salt...

You can take any poll with a grain of salt, of course, but I don't know why you keep talking about 1500 Canadians.  There have been quite a few of these surveys, both very recent and back over the years, and they've all told the same story.  When you survey thousands of people over multiple polls, from numerous different polling companies, and your margin is 70:30 in favor of Biden, we're not guessing anymore. 

15 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Sometimes i do, are you saying you've researched every topic you have posted to...be honest...and if you have then kudos, your a much better poster than i am..That and 3 bucks will get you a coffee...

I would say that if I'm skeptical of someone's specific claims and want to challenge them (especially on a topic I don't know much about), I'll take a minute or two to actually look it up before posting. 

15 hours ago, Army Guy said:

regardless of how many gaffs both have made while in office, that biden may have been more popular in Canada which really means squat.......

Maybe, but I think you need to pick a lane.  You were arguing how popular you figured Trump would be in Canada among Canada's conservatives.  Polls show he'd barely get 50% of their votes.  You poo-poo the polling showing that, but then happily point to polls showing Trump's popularity in the US, or Trudeau's unpopularity in Canada.  Do polls matter, or not?  Or is it just the polls that support the narrative you follow that count?   

15 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Yes my skepticism does point in one direction.. 

That's really not a good thing

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7 hours ago, Moonbox said:

I would say that if I'm skeptical of someone's specific claims and want to challenge them (especially on a topic I don't know much about), I'll take a minute or two to actually look it up before posting. 

Maybe, but I think you need to pick a lane.  You were arguing how popular you figured Trump would be in Canada among Canada's conservatives.  Polls show he'd barely get 50% of their votes.  You poo-poo the polling showing that, but then happily point to polls showing Trump's popularity in the US, or Trudeau's unpopularity in Canada.  Do polls matter, or not?  Or is it just the polls that support the narrative you follow that count?   

That's really not a good thing

Biden is more popular than trump in Canada, your right and i'm wrong.

Trumps popularity in the US is fact , you don't need a poll for that...Justin well that is fact as well, even liberals will agree thats a fact...shi* the global population will tell you that...

Do polls matter, not really, we know PP is more than likely going to win  in the next election...is it going to be a majority or a minority we don't really know for sure what the voters are going to do, a poll is a best guess, not a final answer...

For you it is not a good thing, for me it works...

 

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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Biden is more popular than trump in Canada, your right and i'm wrong.

Trumps popularity in the US is fact 

I'm just curious...How popular do you figure he really is?  Have you ever really looked it up, or is this just your preference manifesting as the version of reality you prefer?  

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

For you it is not a good thing, for me it works...

Works?  For what?  Keeping you ignorant and easily manipulated?  You're essentially admitting to being a thoughtless partisan hack.  🙄

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17 hours ago, Moonbox said:

I'm just curious...How popular do you figure he really is?  Have you ever really looked it up, or is this just your preference manifesting as the version of reality you prefer?  

Works?  For what?  Keeping you ignorant and easily manipulated?  You're essentially admitting to being a thoughtless partisan hack.  🙄

Have i attacked you in any way, pissed you off, I thought i was keeping the conversation clean...you know free from insults and shi*...The only reason i responded to you was i value your opinion...something i'm starting to regret. Just for the record I Personally i don't give a shi* what you or any others on this forum think of me. Don't like my opinions you have multiply choices, ignore, or don't respond... it is real that easy.... 

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51 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Have i attacked you in any way, pissed you off, I thought i was keeping the conversation clean...you know free from insults and shi*...The only reason i responded to you was i value your opinion...something i'm starting to regret.

Okay.  That's my fault.  My tone was wrong here.  I apologize. 

Let me try another approach:

When you claim that "one-sided skepticism" is something that "works for you", I struggle to understand how you can say that seriously.  That amounts to an admission that you hate/distrust one side so badly that you're going to blindly accept/believe everything the other side says.  If that's the case, then all they have to do is validate your anger, amplify it, and they have your vote.  Whether or not they're telling you the truth is irrelevant?  

 

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18 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

That amounts to an admission that you hate/distrust one side so badly that you're going to blindly accept/believe everything the other side says.  If that's the case, then all they have to do is validate your anger, amplify it, and they have your vote.  Whether or not they're telling you the truth is irrelevant?

I'm reminded of a oft-repeated defense of Harper's reducing the GST - that it was good politics despite being a bad policy.

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19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm reminded of a oft-repeated defense of Harper's reducing the GST - that it was good politics despite being a bad policy.

It turned out to be a very good policy.

It was the left who thought it was bad - the same left who promised if they got elected in 93 that they'd scrap it. 

But the reduction encouraged consumption at a time when we entered a recession and needed to stimulate the economy.

Only those seeking to re-write history to make harper look bad actually thing it was  bad poilcy. You'll notice justin didn't raise it when he got in :)  

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3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It turned out to be a very good policy.

It was the left who thought it was bad - the same left who promised if they got elected in 93 that they'd scrap it. 

Economist at the time agreed a tax cut was welcome, though they overwhelmingly (and still do today) argued that an income tax cut would have been better.  

A tax cut is still a tax cut though 🤷‍♂️.

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It turned out to be a very good policy.

The main reason that economists opposed the GST reductions is that they believe that, if money was available for tax cuts, it would make more sense to use it to lower income taxes than the GST. This is because the personal income tax is, in theory, a relatively inefficient tax that penalizes savings.

http://global-economics.ca/GST_cuts.htm#:~:text=The main reason that economists,inefficient tax that penalizes savings.

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1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Economist at the time agreed a tax cut was welcome, though they overwhelmingly (and still do today) argued that an income tax cut would have been better.  

A tax cut is still a tax cut though 🤷‍♂️.

I think what made this particular cut particularly bad is that it maintained the status quo - hence more difficult to move towards more rational taxation - some of which prescribes replacing all income taxes with consumption taxes.

As for making our economy more rational and equitable, capping annual incomes at $1 million per individual plus a wealth tax on the super-rich (about 100,000 families in Canada's case) would probably yield the most civilized and wealthiest economy in the known universe.

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2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Okay.  That's my fault.  My tone was wrong here.  I apologize. 

Let me try another approach:

When you claim that "one-sided skepticism" is something that "works for you", I struggle to understand how you can say that seriously.  That amounts to an admission that you hate/distrust one side so badly that you're going to blindly accept/believe everything the other side says.  If that's the case, then all they have to do is validate your anger, amplify it, and they have your vote.  Whether or not they're telling you the truth is irrelevant?  

 

Thank you i appreciate that.

We as a nation have been burned thousands of times with lies and deception by the left...So excuse me if i become skeptical on whatever they say or do... I have said i don't really pay much heed to US politics because it does not really effect me....In my opinion Trump did more that was beneficial in his 4 years than biden did, one just has to look at border security, the Pull out of Afghanistan, support for Ukraine is whining off....the list goes on... that and the fact in the US you have two choices, really in this case both are not top shelf are they... so comprises have to be made...But here in Canada where politics do effect me, i don't have to comprise, and hold them to a much higher standard...

 

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On 2/15/2024 at 9:52 AM, Eddy said:

Pierre Polievre was like a breath of fresh Spring air blowing through the opened window of a sealed, dark, and stale bedroom when he first caught my attention a couple of years ago. I especially admired the way that he handled himself -- or more appropriately, how he handled Justin Trudeau -- in their parliamentary exchanges. The PM would repeatedly fold like a house of cards...and it could actually painful watching Trudeau lose by default most each and every time.

But my initial surge of enthusiasm ebbed rather swiftly as I watched PP's cocky self-assured mis-steps that ensued: his enthusiasm for Bitcoin...his deliberately going out of his way to serve coffee to members of the Freedom Convey...his sudden newly-found arrogance with members of the press...and on and on. The man sure knows no peers as knowing how to grab headlines and make his presence know, alright -- but what will happen when he's elected prime minister of the land, and has nobody to bait and to blame above him...?

Te expression of "all sizzle and no steak" immediately comes to mind.

Still in all, what choice do we weary Canadians have, otherwise...? Four more years of a Trudeau-Singh oligarchy to suffer under, as parliament merely foregoes the expected, lending additional years of life to that particular "deal with the devil"...? Surely we all deserve better.

What will happen when PP becomes the PM of Canada is that he will bring back common sense to Canada. So far, from what i have seen of PP is that he appears to be the only politician in Canada that can save Canada from the WEF globalist Marxist dictator in Ottawa and his communist programs and agendas for Canada.

Bills C-11  and C-18  and the new phony censorship hate law being pushed in parliament by the WEF globalist Marxist in Ottawa are three dangerous things mentioned that will bring Canada down and will destroy freedom of speech and rights and freedom in Canada. We cannot let that Marxist buffoon in Ottawa win the next election. 

The liberals, the NDP socialists, the Greens and the communist party's in Canada are all in for shutting down freedom of speech and rights and assembly in Canada. Canada is pretty close to becoming a communist country. If by chance or by hook and crook that the Marxist in Ottawa does get in again as PM of Canada, it will surely be the end of freedom and rights in Canada. Believe it or not. I certainly do believe it. 😷      Go, Poilevere, go. 😇

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