Study Finds ‘COVID-19 Vaccination is Strongly Associated w/ a Serious Adverse Safety Signal of Myocarditis, Particularly in Children and Young Adults Resulting in Hospitalization and Death

[Black Dog]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I didn't say that there were more vaxed deaths in 2022 than vaxed deaths in 2020. I said "more vaxed deaths in 2022 than deaths in 2020". I.e., the total number of deaths in 2020, 100% of whom were unvaxed. The word vaxed isn't the last part, just in case you didn't notice. (You actually didn't notice)

Yes shithead, because almost everyone was vaxxed in 2022 so almost everyone who died would have been vaxxed.

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Lookie here:

In 2020 15,000 people died of covid, all of them unvaxed, obviously. It was the biggest news story since WWI.

In 2022 19,000 people died, and 85.7 or 86.7% of them were multi-vaxed. The MSM almost never talked about covid deaths. All Quiet on the Covid Front.

This is simply made up, there was plenty of coverage around cases and deaths from the Omicron variant at that time and many provinces actual re-introduced some restrictions to deal with the outbreak.

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And think about this: 100.00% of the multi-vaxed people who died of covid in 2022 survived "the pandemic" in 2020 when they were unvaxed.

So what you're saying is: lockdowns and restrictive public health measures worked to keep people from dying during the height of the pandemic and a lot of people died when those measures ended. lmao.

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Yes shithead, because almost everyone was vaxxed in 2022 so almost everyone who died would have been vaxxed.

Sure. 85% were vaxed and 86% of the deaths were among the vaxed.

There's no base-rate fallacy in that. If 85% of people wore orange shirts and 86% of covid deaths were among orange shirt people it would be no surprise.

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This is simply made up, there was plenty of coverage around cases and deaths from the Omicron variant at that time and many provinces actual re-introduced some restrictions to deal with the outbreak.

That was 2021. The omicron variant came out in Nov 2021. It's basically the last we heard of covid as the main headline news story. 

In 2022 covid ceased to dominate the first 20 minutes of every newscast. By spring of 2022 there were entire news broadcasts where covid wasn't mentioned at all. But way more people were dying.

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So what you're saying is: lockdowns and restrictive public health measures worked to keep people from dying during the height of the pandemic and a lot of people died when those measures ended. lmao.

In 2020 we weren't wearing masks, and in the summer of 2020 and again in 2021 there were no health measures in place and almost no one died.

In summer 2022 there were thousands and thousands of deaths, and the lion's share were 3x- and 4x-vaxed. Covid was barely talked about at all in the MSM.

[eyeball]

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nonsense.  I've given the facts 

Your facts. You know what would really work? A transgender group praising the Conservatives you're talking about for recognizing and accommodating their needs.

Conservatives were the first ones to recognize transgenderism as a serious issue and spend money to provide care to address it. Period. Not just once - but three times.

Got anything like a recognition from a transgender group that says what you just said (3 of them)? LMAO!

Of course you don't so fu ck off.

[herbie]

Gee the BC Tories just booted a candidate hours after accepting him for exactly WestCanMan's bullshit. "Almost no one died"...etc.
He originally won the nomination on his Dr credentials, even though the College of Physicians and Surgeons lifted his licence years ago for the same reasons.

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Your facts.

THE facts. I'm a conservative - there are only facts for us. we don't have "personal truths" and facts like the left does.

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You know what would really work? A transgender group praising the Conservatives you're talking about for recognizing and accommodating their needs.

Never happen - they'd be set upon instantly by the radical left and cancelled.  "not black enough" as the saying goes. And with left wing teachers and activist pouring poison in their ear at every turn erasing history they probably didn't even know.

 

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Conservatives were the first ones to recognize transgenderism as a serious issue and spend money to provide care to address it. Period. Not just once - but three times.

Exactly - now you've got it!   

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Of course you don't so fu ck off.

I've got the facts. THat's more than enough    Sorry the facts triggered you again

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Never happen - they'd be set upon instantly by the radical left and cancelled.  "not black enough" as the saying goes. And with left wing teachers and activist pouring poison in their ear at every turn erasing history they probably didn't even know.

And so the back peddling begins...yawn.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Gee the BC Tories just booted a candidate hours after accepting him for exactly WestCanMan's bullshit. "Almost no one died"...etc.
He originally won the nomination on his Dr credentials, even though the College of Physicians and Surgeons lifted his licence years ago for the same reasons.

Look at this chart from Health Canada, stupid... Look how many people died in the summer of 2020, 2021 and 2022. 

Literally every single thing I ever said here can be proven with Health Canada's own stats. Hit the skids, child. 

Dig it up on the website your self (make sure to select "deaths" instead of "infections"): https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/current-situation.html

You'll see this:

The number of deaths stayed high right through the summer in 2022. There were no covid restrictions during the summer of any year. 

Edited March 28, 2024 by WestCanMan

[impartialobserver]

correlation does not equal causality... enough said. 

[WestCanMan]

At least the vax kept hospitalizations down, right?

*yawn*

[Black Dog]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Sure. 85% were vaxed and 86% of the deaths were among the vaxed.

There's no base-rate fallacy in that. If 85% of people wore orange shirts and 86% of covid deaths were among orange shirt people it would be no surprise.

So why are you acting like the number of deaths among the vaxxed is big news?

Also you're ignoring a significant other factor (and this is where the base rate fallacy comes in); the determining factor in 2022 COVID deaths wasn't vaccine status, but age.

 

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That was 2021. The omicron variant came out in Nov 2021. It's basically the last we heard of covid as the main headline news story. 

In 2022 covid ceased to dominate the first 20 minutes of every newscast. By spring of 2022 there were entire news broadcasts where covid wasn't mentioned at all. But way more people were dying.

Deaths during the Omicron waved peaked in January 2022 and fell off by late February. Lotso f headlines at teh start of the year, less so when the cases and deaths dropped.

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In 2020 we weren't wearing masks, and in the summer of 2020 and again in 2021 there were no health measures in place and almost no one died.

 

Is that so because you sure wouldn't know that from all the pissing and moaning by conservatives about "muh freedoms" lol

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In summer 2022 there were thousands and thousands of deaths, and the lion's share were 3x- and 4x-vaxed. Covid was barely talked about at all in the MSM.

That's absolutely not true.

[CdnFox]

49 minutes ago, eyeball said:

And so the back peddling begins...yawn.

And so the lying begins... yawn

Can't cope with the truth so  you just make a lie up and run with it. How very consistent of you.

Sorry kiddo - what i said was true and there's not a millimetre of back pedal.  YOU made a claim. I refuted that claim.  And you say "oh - you saying that what I claimed is wrong is backpedalling".

Don't blame your stupidity or failures on me.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

correlation does not equal causality... enough said. 

I don't care that deaths went up. That's not the point.

The point is that when you "vaccinate" 85% of the population, deaths should go down, remarkably, not up sharply.

The other point is that we already knew that the jabs weren't what they were promised to be when the Israeli ICU data came back. 

We knew that young people weren't gravely affected by covid, we knew that the jabs weren't terribly effective, we had no idea what side-effects the vax might have long-term at that point, and yet we forced youths to vaccinate. 

Even after we knew that the jabs were seriously harming and even killing young, healthy people who didn't need it, we kept forcing them to take it. Hence the freedom convoy. Then the lies about the Freedom Convoy from the MSM and posters here. Then the dreaded bouncy castles, the stealing of gas by police, the martial law, the freezing of bank accounts, the trampling and beating of innocent protesters, etc. 

All to force people who didn't need the useless vax to take it.

What happened here in Canada with regards to covid was nothing short of an abomination. 

Edited March 28, 2024 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

And so the back peddling begins...yawn.

Back-peddling looks like this:

The vaccines will be safe and effective

The vaccines will get us to herd immunity.

The vaccines are safe and effective. If you're vaxed you don't have to worry about getting covid, an dyou don't have to worry about giving grandma covid. 

--- backpeddle #1: You will still get covid, you'll still get sick, but you won't end up in the hospital----

--- backpeddle #2: If you get covid you'll still end up in the hospital, but you won't end up in the ICU----

--- backpeddle #3: If you get covid you'll still end up in the ICU, but you won't die----

*note that at this point, they were still pretending that the vax was slowing the spread, thus justifying jab-mandates*

--- backpeddle #5: We never said that the vax would get us to herd immunity----

*note that at this point the multi-vaxed were dying in droves, but no one has ever admitted that, not even now. The narrative became: "There is a pandemic of the unvaccinated", but that was a lie at the moment it was said. 

 

The anti-jabbers never back-peddled at all. The stance actually escalated from:

"Maybe the vaxes won't work, let's keep exploring other options"

to "Multi-jabbed people are still ending up in ICU, so it's obviously not working, and the vaxed can still spread covid if they're getting that sick"

to "People are dying, and we now know that healthy young people don't need a vaccine anyways, let's leave them out."

to: "Lots of people are dying, and we now know that healthy young people don't need a vaccine anyways. Let's not force them to vax."

to "The jab is injuring/killing young people. Let's stop forcing them to vax."

 

Mic drop. 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

what i said was true

How on Earth do you expect anyone to know that?

[Legato]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

How on Earth do you expect anyone to know that?

It's called rationality.

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Legato said:

It's called rationality.

From Cdn Fox? Bwahahaha!

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

So why are you acting like the number of deaths among the vaxxed is big news?

Because it is. Canadians have no clue how many multi-vaxed deaths there are.

There were already thousands of deaths of the multi-vaxed when I was telling people here about them, and they denied that there was even one person that was vaxed who "died of covid".

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Also you're ignoring a significant other factor (and this is where the base rate fallacy comes in); the determining factor in 2022 COVID deaths wasn't vaccine status, but age.

You are 100% wrong again. The determining factor in covid deaths is co-morbidities. 

Over 96% of covid deaths in the US are among people with co-morbidities. Only about 65% of covid deaths are from the 80+ crowd. 

We have never been given the stats for vax rates among those with co-morbidities. 

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Deaths during the Omicron waved peaked in January 2022 and fell off by late February. Lotso f headlines at teh start of the year, less so when the cases and deaths dropped.

Do you think that you can find a newscast, newspaper or any other MSM item that accurately describes who's dying of covid from any month during the pandemic? Can you find a single news item that says more than 1,000 multi-vaxed people died during the past month?

I know that you can't. 

Can you find a single news item that says more than 1,000 multi-vaxed people died during the past month?

I know that you can't. 

Stop acting like you know, ar that the MSM is telling you anything resembling the truth. 

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Is that so because you sure wouldn't know that from all the pissing and moaning by conservatives about "muh freedoms" lol

We didn't have the freedom to go out in public you id10t.

Millions of us were forced to take a dangerous jab.

And to top it all off, it doesn't even work. 

Yeah... "Muh freedoms", you god-damned loser.

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That's absolutely not true.

Look at the picture/link I posted in the reply to herbie, above.

If you have even a gr 7 ability to interpret graphs then you can clearly see that covid deaths were negligible during the summers of 2020 and 2021, and heavy in the summer of 2022.

I can post the rolling deaths stats by vax status for you if you want, just know that if you look at them, they're designed to be highly misleading upon a passing glance. Eyeball misinterpreted them for a long time, even after having it explained to him several times. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

How on Earth do you expect anyone to know that?

Well; it takes about three seconds to look it up.  You know - for normal people.  

Pretty simple.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

From Cdn Fox? Bwahahaha!

 

Awww muffin - now other people are laughing at you too and it's rendered  you histerical

This is easy. It's not secret or hidden info.  And as i noted - you have already and realized i'm right haven't you

That's why you're not arguing the point.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Eyeball misinterpreted them for a long time, even after having it explained to him several times. 

You always like to rub it in that you just happen to be the 7th smartest guy on the internet don't you? You're like the climate and economic experts around here - in the same top ten as you I'm sure - that are squatting on conclusions and findings in their apparent areas of expertise.

I've explained to you before how Nobel Prizes, millions of dollars, high schools named in your honour, mountains of panties that would make Steven Tyler blush...could all be your's if you'd only put your conclusions and how you arrived at them into the hands of creditable scientific academies and institutions.  But instead ya'll waste your time endlessly trying to get through to us troglodytes.

What am I missing here? Are you afraid of being murdered like poor Goddess or something?

Edited March 29, 2024 by eyeball

[eyeball]

24 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well; it takes about three seconds to look it up.

You could look forever and never find what you said, that Conservatives were the first ones to recognize transgenderism as a serious issue and spend money to provide care to address it.

Care? LMAO! Activists had to fight against the governments you mentioned to even recognize them never mind care for them.

 

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The first gender identity clinic in Canada opened at the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto (“the Clarke”) in 1969. The first widely publicized gender-affirming surgery in Canada was performed in Toronto in 1970 on Dianna Boileau.

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Early on, medical transitions were originally strictly controlled by psychiatrists. Provincial health coverage only funded gender-affirming surgeries for patients diagnosed as transgender. Diagnosis involved undergoing a large number of invasive and personal tests. Some of the tests were the same as used on criminal sex offenders that the Clarke also treated. Patients at the time described the Clarke as being more interested in researching trans people than helping them. The institution had a negative reputation among trans people.

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In the 1990s, provincial funding for gender-affirming surgeries in Ontario became a political football as governments considered delisting procedures to cut costs. In 1998, Mike Harris’s Progressive Conservative government suspended coverage.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/transgender#:~:text=The first clinic in Canada,and advancements in trans rights.

 

So fu ck off already.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

You always like to rub it in that you just happen to be the 7th smartest guy on the internet don't you? You're like the climate and economic experts around here

Maybe he attended one of your lectures on the subject decades ago

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

You could look forever and never find what you said,

You could look for 3 seconds and confirm what i said was true and we both know that.  The fact you have to lie about it shows you know i'm right and frankly it's absol;utey delicious to watch  

Sorry kiddo but the first medical facilities and programs to addess the health needs of trans people were put in by conservatives.

Conservatives were the first ones to recognize transgenderism as a serious issue and spend money to provide care to address it.

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

The first gender identity clinic in Canada opened at the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto (“the Clarke”) in 1969.

Interesting.... and who was the gov't that would have funded and authorized that clinic?

Oh right  John roberts. Conservative.  The very first medical facility and operations were constructed and paid for by a conservative govt.

And that was followed by calgary alberta under another conservative gov't and manitoba under another conservative gov't.

LOL -  thanks for posting the proof of my point that you said would take an eternity to find

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So fu ck off already.

Awww little monkey  

Don't hate me just because you were wrong.  You should know if i say something i've already looked it up  

 

So yes - conservatives in multiple provinces were the first to recognize and fund trans health issues. LOLOL - man it must eat you up inside when you keep insisting i'm wrong like that only to find out i was right all along   Totally worth the effort for me to make popcorn for

[eyeball]

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So yes - conservatives in multiple provinces were the first to recognize and fund trans health issues.

And the first to yank funding. They 'treated' trans like freaks and criminals. Whatever it was that motivated these governments it had nothing to do with the caring attitude you've attributed to them.

Just because something happens during a government's term doesn't mean that government made it happen. Its far likelier those governments were being advised by their legal departments that they wouldn't have any choice in the matter.

Which explains why they were such arseholes about it.

You can call it a facetious factoid at best but to call it an act of caring is ridiculous.

[CdnFox]

59 minutes ago, eyeball said:

And the first to yank funding.

where do you see that?  In fact there's more of those clinics in canada than there ever was.  So - where's this 'yank funding' happening?

Awww - are we making crap up because we feel bad about the truth again?    How cute

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They 'treated' trans like freaks and criminals.

Nope. Sorry, they didn't. They actually treated them far better than they treated the gays.

And once

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Just because something happens during a government's term doesn't mean that government made it happen.

It does with health care.  You don't 'accidentally' fund a medical facility. All of that stuff is gone over with a fine tooth comb.  Provincial gov'ts take more political flack over health care and health care spending than they do virtually any other budget line - the opening of those clinics would have been reported in teh news back in the day and been a topic for discussion and the issue of when the gov't should pay for it was actually a public conversation, with the provinces saying it should be only with consultation with a psychiatric professional.

Sorry kiddo. The gov'ts of the day knew what was happening and they deliberately and willingly paid to provide that care. And they didn't get thrown out over it by their voters either.

Nyaah nyahh   wrong again   

Conservatives had FAR less issues with trans, whom they saw as victims of a medical condition, than they did with gays whom they saw as a threat to the traditional family.  And thus they move to support them and provide for their rights and medical treatments.

Ruh Roe Shaggy - turns out your boogieman about the conservatives being evil monsters who hate all 'others' is a completely false narrative. LIke most of yours are.