Jordan Peterson: Your much-vaunted Charter of Rights isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on

[blackbird]

Jordan Peterson provides a strong case that the Charter of Rights is a worthless piece of paper.

In his case, he expressed his opinion openly and was severely censured and ordered to be re-educated in some kind of woke education process.

"n November 2022, the administrative board that regulates the conduct of psychologists (and much more than that, it turns out) decided that my political views were a disgrace to my profession, that of clinical psychologist. I was therefore sentenced by that board, the Ontario College of Psychologists, to a bout of mandatory re-education, of indeterminate duration, at my expense, with my learning not evaluated by any standard method but subject to the opinion of those charged with, profiting by and exploiting my forced studentship. I took those decision-makers forthwith to court, and lost. The decision of the Ontario College of Psychologists was upheld. I then appealed, to a higher court. On January 16, 2024, that appeal was rejected. There were no reasons provided."

Jordan Peterson: Bureaucrats will rue the day they tried to shut me up (msn.com)

To fully understand this one need to click on the link and read the whole article.

[August1991]

The US Constitution is a remarkable document. It has several amendments - some passed immediately.

Canada's Charter of Rights is an attempt to protect the individual against the government, in a federal State.

[TreeBeard]

More whining and snivelling from this fella?  He’s an odd fellow. Didn’t he do an all-meat diet?  He doesn’t show great judgement, so why would I listen to him about our Charter if he can’t even feed himself properly?

[blackbird]

11 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

More whining and snivelling from this fella?  He’s an odd fellow. Didn’t he do an all-meat diet?  He doesn’t show great judgement, so why would I listen to him about our Charter if he can’t even feed himself properly?

An internet search on Jordan Peterson says "The channel has 7.5 million subscribers, with 650 million views; videos derived from his online content by others have been viewed a billion times."

I doubt he cares what you say about him.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

More whining and snivelling from this fella?  He’s an odd fellow. Didn’t he do an all-meat diet?  He doesn’t show great judgement, so why would I listen to him about our Charter if he can’t even feed himself properly?

So you can't refute his points, so you attack the person instead

Well that sounds about right for you.

2 hours ago, August1991 said:

The US Constitution is a remarkable document. It has several amendments - some passed immediately.

Canada's Charter of Rights is an attempt to protect the individual against the government, in a federal State.

Meh - yes and no.  It also enshrines gov'ts rights against the individual as well.

For example it says property can be taken from anyone without compensation, if you pass a law to do it.  it guarantees the gov'ts right to set aside people's constititonal rights if they want to.  Etc etc.

It's not quite the 'freedom document' people think it is.

[August1991]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

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Meh - yes and no.  It also enshrines gov'ts rights against the individual as well.

For example it says property can be taken from anyone without compensation, if you pass a law to do it.  it guarantees the gov'ts right to set aside people's constititonal rights if they want to.  Etc etc.

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You Americans call this eminent domain. We call it expropriation.

I have no problem with the State taking my property for the greater good - with compensation. Or, the State restricting me from having a gun.

BTW, I suspect the difference has nothing to do with a Constitution.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

You Americans call this eminent domain. We call it expropriation.

Dude - you know i'm Canadian. We've talked about this, you touque wearning poutine sucking french person.

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I have no problem with the State taking my property for the greater good - with compensation. Or, the State restricting me from having a gun.

Well i'm sure they appreciate your willingless to accept slavery or serfdom. NO compensation btw, that is not required by the charter.

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BTW, I suspect the difference has nothing to do with a Constitution.

The difference in what?

[TreeBeard]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

An internet search on Jordan Peterson says "The channel has 7.5 million subscribers, with 650 million views; videos derived from his online content by others have been viewed a billion times."

I doubt he cares what you say about him.

Are you saying number of subscribers directly correlates with how correct someone is about a topic?  

[CdnFox]

47 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Are you saying number of subscribers directly correlates with how correct someone is about a topic?  

I think he's just noting you're insignificant. Which is accurate.

[Guest]

9 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Didn’t he do an all-meat diet?  

Yes he did try a carnivorous diet, due to health issues he was open about. The diet worked for him,  in that it resolved those issues, he lost weight and became healthier.

He doesn't endorse the diet, but rather speaks on how it helped him.

10 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

He doesn’t show great judgement

How so?

He had an issue. It was recommended. He tried it, issue resolved itself.

Diets aren't for everyone and some work and some don't.

How is that bad judgment to try a diet that has been shown to help the issue you're suffering from?

Just like if I ate Keto for a couple months to rapidly drop weight. If done properly,  am confused as to how something that is done properly and benefits you, is bad judgement.

Sounds like (ironically) you are showing bad judgement, unless I misunderstood the point you're making.

10 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

why would I listen to him

Many people do, as he is insanely well versed on psychology and helping people be the best version of themselves.

His words are often intersected with heavy handed evidence, and rarely does he stray far from the safety of facts to make an opinion.

Again. Where's the poor judgment?

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

 

His words are often intersected with heavy handed evidence, and rarely does he stray far from the safety of facts to make an opinion.

Again. Where's the poor judgment?

He strays into areas he doesn't understand, and puts himself into a place where his arrogance and lack of knowledge play off on each other.

Didn't his diet put him in a coma?  Didn't a sip of cider impact his health for a month?

I see him as highly unstable and bizarre.

But.  He IS a moralist, and I deeply understand why is opinions are sought after, if only for his approach.

[blackbird]

7 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Are you saying number of subscribers directly correlates with how correct someone is about a topic?  

No, I never said it does.  But if he has 7.5 million subscribers with 650 million views, that should tell you something.

Edited January 18, 2024 by blackbird

[Michael Hardner]

32 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No, I never said it does.  But if he has 7.5 million subscribers with 650 million views, that should tell you something.

And Biden got 81,283,501 votes.

Does that tell YOU something ?  🤔

[blackbird]

36 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

And Biden got 81,283,501 votes.

Does that tell YOU something ?  🤔

No.  Doesn't tell me anything.  Don't see the connection.  You are talking about apples and orange.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Didn't his diet put him in a coma? 

No, it was his dependence on drugs he increased upon finding out his wife had terminal cancer.

Still don't understand where he has shown poor judgement.

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

He strays into areas he doesn't understand

Like gender and trans ideology?

I have heard his opinions on this, and he was spot on. Thats the thing about opinions. You can't make everyone happy.

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I see him as highly unstable and bizarre.

The beauty of opinion. He opined about how forcing ridiculous pronouns onto people go against their freedoms.

He found it equally bizarre and unstable.

He's an intellectual,  so of course his wording was much better. 

[Legato]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

He strays into areas he doesn't understand, and puts himself into a place where his arrogance and lack of knowledge play off on each other.

 

If that were true, you would have a perfect soulmate.

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

No.  Doesn't tell me anything.  Don't see the connection.  You are talking about apples and orange.

No, they've already explained it.  You said he has 7.5 million followers/subscribers, and that should tell us something.  What exactly, is unclear, but if it does than the fact that Barack Obama, or Taylor Swift have +100M and would disagree with everything Jordan Peterson has to say, that should tell you something as well.  

2 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Like gender and trans ideology?

I have heard his opinions on this, and he was spot on. Thats the thing about opinions. You can't make everyone happy.

Like that, and like vaccines, Russian and Ukrainian geo-politics, animal biology, economics etc...  The majority of his time now is spent bullshitting about things he doesn't know anything about or have any training for, and on which he's no more knowledgeable than the average rube that follows him.  

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

No, they've already explained it.  You said he has 7.5 million followers/subscribers, and that should tell us something.  What exactly, is unclear, but if it does than the fact that Barack Obama, or Taylor Swift have +100M and would disagree with everything Jordan Peterson has to say, that should tell you something as well. 

Again you're talking about apples and orange.   Barack Obama was the President of the U.S.A. and Taylor Swift is a big entertainment star.  So of course they have big following because of that.

Jordan Peterson was just a psychology professor who gave his opinions on some media or internet platforms and because of his beliefs/opinions acquired a large following.   He didn't have the help of the mainstream media and high political office or entertainment star industry.  Peterson earned his large following by his work in exposing the woke, liberal, progressivism.

[Moonbox]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Again you're talking about apples and orange.   Barack Obama was the President of the U.S.A. and Taylor Swift is a big entertainment star.  So of course they have big following because of that.

and Jordan Peterson has a big following because he tells incels and other angry mooks exactly what they want to hear on topics that he doesn't really know anything about.  He's as much a performer and entertainer as anyone.  

 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

 Like that, and like vaccines, Russian and Ukrainian geo-politics, animal biology, economics etc...   

etc. includes Climate Change and Marxism.  

Of course, his take on these things are purely impressionistic and moral so his fans don't see a problem with him "debating" by simply ridiculing the thing out of context.

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

etc. includes Climate Change and Marxism.  

Etc includes most of what he talks about now.  

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Of course, his take on these things are purely impressionistic and moral so his fans don't see a problem with him "debating" by simply ridiculing the thing out of context.

He's one of the easiest and best examples of an online personality just repeating views back to people.  He knows who is audience is and the sorts of things they're feeling and talking about, so he goes and pretends to lead them from the front of the pack by packaging it into some pseudo-intellectual gobbledygook.  

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

And Biden got 81,283,501 votes.

Does that tell YOU something ?  🤔

It tells us that people were forced to choose between 2 people - whereas millilons went to jordan of their own free choice

 

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It tells us that people were forced to choose between 2 people - whereas millilons went to jordan of their own free choice

Basically.

He's not my cup of tea, but have found him insanely knowledgeable on psychology, and even sociology, the latter being a subject I really loved in school.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Perspektiv said:

Basically.

He's not my cup of tea, but have found him insanely knowledgeable on psychology, and even sociology, the latter being a subject I really loved in school.

Yeah, i'm in more or less the same boat.  Some of his discussions with other experts on sociology have been very fascinating, and i think as a psychologist he's extremely knowledgeable and his views are extremely interesting. THe rest of his stuff isn't of interest to me - I don't care about his diet.

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I don't care about his diet.

I find people most people wouldn't care about it, either.

He's highly intelligent, so to me to dismiss his intellect because you disagree with someone, is as painful of watching Vivek Ramaswamy's interview with hip hop radio station 106 and Park.

He literally got grilled on not being a classroom president making him a poor presidential candidate.

Then the person grilling him, went on to boast how she organized an entire classroom to protest a teacher who she felt was unfair.

Doing shit for free is the only way to prove good leadership, according to this logic.

Am sure Bill Gates makes sure his good deeds are tax deductible.  

Am just saying.

But its logic like that where people try to dismiss his contributions to psychology because he's offensive to them.

Am told my apple pie is the best most who have tried it ever had.

But in finding out am conservative minded: "Ugh. He can't cook. Who uses granny Smith apples for apple pie?!"