Polievre's new billboard ads - simple but damn effective

[CdnFox]

Just now, eyeball said:

Ah rubber and glue, your good old go-to.

No - that would be if you accused me of it.  I'm just pointing out the reasons for your unfounded accusations of others.  I guess you could say THEY'RE rubber and you're glue if somehow that'll let you sleep tonight.

[Gaétan]

The money that the Conservatives are going to give you, they are going to take away somewhere else. They have never said that they are going to replace that income with money taken from the rich. Taxes are used to pay for services that would otherwise have to be paid out of pocket. If you want change, you have to vote for the Green Party or the NDP

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Gaétan said:

The money that the Conservatives are going to give you, they are going to take away somewhere else.

You've got that backwards.  THey're going to dump the carbon tax, and that's money they were already taking away from us. The gov't gets money from taxes, when it "gives" you money, it's just a refund.

I have no doubt they'll stop some of the wasteful spending that we see which means even less of my money needs to be taken.

But - doesn't that make you happy? You're always going on about how we shouldn't have money anymore and here the gov't is getting rid of theirs so you should be pleased  

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They have never said that they are going to replace that income with money taken from the rich.

Why would they? We need the rich. Why would you drive away the rich? You don't get jobs from poor people.

[August1991]

On 1/15/2024 at 9:35 PM, Army Guy said:

Maybe you can explain to the rest of us how it has been working ? i give the money to the gas station attendant,they give it to justin , and then Justin sends it back to me later, then tells me he is giving me more than i paid out...like it is magic...and some how this makes me drive less how ? How is this better for the environment ? have we meet any of our agreed climate change reductions ? One last question, did you take the red pill again ? you know what the doctor has said... 

To me, a tax usually reduces what is taxed. So, a CO2 tax will reduce CO2 emissions.

What to do with the CO2 tax revenue? I'd give it out to all - fairly.  (How about eliminating the GST? Desperate - has Gerald Butts thought of that?) 

[Gaétan]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Why would they? We need the rich. Why would you drive away the rich? You don't get jobs from poor people.

Rich don't create jobs, it is customers that create them.

''So, if nothing else, it's time we stopped perpetuating the fiction that "rich people create the jobs."

Rich People Actually Don't Create the Jobs (businessinsider.com)

 

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Rich don't create jobs, it is customers that create them.'

 

Nope - rich create jobs. Customers benefit from the services provided, poor get jobs from the rich.  Pretty simple.

[Gaétan]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nope - rich create jobs. Customers benefit from the services provided, poor get jobs from the rich.  Pretty simple.

I just put the link who says the opposite, rich take off jobs because they store the money. 

[CdnFox]

52 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

I just put the link who says the opposite, rich take off jobs because they store the money. 

And it's wrong. THat's why you had to look all the way back to 2013 to find something. And even THEY have to concede "Yes, we can create jobs temporarily, by starting companies and funding losses for a while."  But that's where jobs come from - that's what creates them. THey don't exist without that. 

Microsoft - gates is a billionare and created tens of thousands of very high paying jobs as well as thousands of "Microsoft millionares".   Without bezos, amazon would not exist to provide 1.5 MILLION jobs.

Where did all those customers get their money? Where do you think that 'healthy ecosystem' comes from? People with money taking risks and starting businesses - or expanding existing ones.  Or putting new products or services into production. There was no tesla without musk.  No microsoft without gates, no apple without the two steves.

SO not only would there not have been those products and literally millions of jobs lost - but those people all spend money on OTHER businesses and services who create MORE jobs as a result.

This is why capitalism works so well -and it's lifted more people out of abject poverty than any other system ever tried in history.  THat's why communism and strong socialism fails so horribly.

How many 'customers' are there in venezuela right now?

 

[Gaétan]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And it's wrong. THat's why you had to look all the way back to 2013 to find something. And even THEY have to concede "Yes, we can create jobs temporarily, by starting companies and funding losses for a while."  But that's where jobs come from - that's what creates them. THey don't exist without that. 

Microsoft - gates is a billionare and created tens of thousands of very high paying jobs as well as thousands of "Microsoft millionares".   Without bezos, amazon would not exist to provide 1.5 MILLION jobs.

Where did all those customers get their money? Where do you think that 'healthy ecosystem' comes from? People with money taking risks and starting businesses - or expanding existing ones.  Or putting new products or services into production. There was no tesla without musk.  No microsoft without gates, no apple without the two steves.

SO not only would there not have been those products and literally millions of jobs lost - but those people all spend money on OTHER businesses and services who create MORE jobs as a result.

This is why capitalism works so well -and it's lifted more people out of abject poverty than any other system ever tried in history.  THat's why communism and strong socialism fails so horribly.

How many 'customers' are there in venezuela right now?

 

What you say is wrong, Gates wouldn't create job if no one would buy his products then customers create jobs. And rich store the money and it causes unemployment as a matter of fact then rich create  starvation. You don't understand how capitalism works.

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[ironstone]

On 1/17/2024 at 9:18 AM, Gaétan said:

If you want change, you have to vote for the Green Party or the NDP

Those parties will certainly change things.

Under no circumstances will I ever vote for the NDP or Greens. I've had a dislike for the NDP since the Bob Rae experiment in Ontario.

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

Those parties will certainly change things.

Under no circumstances will I ever vote for the NDP or Greens. I've had a dislike for the NDP since the Bob Rae experiment in Ontario.

Yes but Bob Rae works for liberals and has always been a liberal

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Gaétan said:

What you say is wrong, Gates wouldn't create job if no one would buy his products

No one would have money to buy products if the wealthy weren't creating jobs.

So the wealthy create jobs - then the people have more money to go out and buy more things which allows more people to get wealthy and they create more jobs.

That is why EVERYBODY is wealthier and has a better life today thanks to capitalism.  Capitalism raises EVERYONE"s standard of living.  So the rich get richer and the poor get richer too. The reason people like you whine is that not everyone gets richer at the same rate and some 1diots think that's unfair, but it isn't.  Capitalism as the economic engine of a democratic nation always makes everyone's lives better.

Sorry kid - that's how it works.

20 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Yes but Bob Rae works for liberals and has always been a liberal

Bob Rae was NDP and always was ndp especially when he ran ontario. But he also likes power and nobody's going to hire him as premier again    And the libs are so far to the left they basically are the ndp now.

[Gaétan]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry kid - that's how it works.

You just don't understand the economic, suppose that you are on Maquaque iland and there are 1,000 people living there, If 1% of richest own 99% of wealth the poor people are going to eat what? Then it is easy to understand that rich cause starvation.

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

You just don't understand the economic, suppose that you are on Maquaque iland and there are 1,000 people living there, If 1% of richest own 99% of wealth the poor people are going to eat what? Then it is easy to understand that rich cause starvation.

First - there is no place called Maquaque island.

Second - how did the rich get rich if there's capitalism?  They must have sold something to someone - where'd those people get their money?  And you're saying 10 people have the wealth - so they MUST need people to work and provide goods and services, the other 990 people can set up businesses to provide that or be employed by them.  And then other people can set up groceries or the like (fish markets?) to sell goods to those people who now have money.

That's why capitalism is amazing.

[Gaétan]

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

First - there is no place called Maquaque island.

Second - how did the rich get rich if there's capitalism?  They must have sold something to someone - where'd those people get their money?  And you're saying 10 people have the wealth - so they MUST need people to work and provide goods and services, the other 990 people can set up businesses to provide that or be employed by them.  And then other people can set up groceries or the like (fish markets?) to sell goods to those people who now have money.

That's why capitalism is amazing.

It is because you don't understand the simple mathematic, the 1% of rich who own 99% of wealth will claim what from poor? All they do is to have some slaves at minimum wage., the rest of the population may die. This is the system that you say is good.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Gaétan said:

It is because you don't understand the simple mathematic, the 1% of rich who own 99% of wealth will claim what from poor?

So you couldn't answer my questions and address what i said huh?  Well i guess that's one way of telling me i'm right and you're wrong without saying it.

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All they do is to have some slaves

Slavery isn't capitalism. 

And all the people have to do is say 'this is what we cost or you won't get anything from us'.

Not complex.

I mean seriously - you're making up a fake example that supposedly proves your point and you're STILL losing. That's got to tell you something

[Gaétan]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So you couldn't answer my questions and address what i said huh?  Well i guess that's one way of telling me i'm right and you're wrong without saying it.

Slavery isn't capitalism. 

And all the people have to do is say 'this is what we cost or you won't get anything from us'.

Not complex.

I mean seriously - you're making up a fake example that supposedly proves your point and you're STILL losing. That's got to tell you something

Mr. Poilievre claims that he knows math and that if you work for him, you must also know math or you will be fired. If 1% of the rich have 99% of the wealth the rest of the population is starving, then the rich create no jobs other than those who clean their house and produce food to feed them and take care of their luxurious gardens and swimming pools. The rest of the population can starve to death and not disturb them because they pay gardians with guns to watch their house.

[blackbird]

12 hours ago, Gaétan said:

What you say is wrong, Gates wouldn't create job if no one would buy his products then customers create jobs. And rich store the money and it causes unemployment as a matter of fact then rich create  starvation. You don't understand how capitalism works.

As I said, you may be a Commie agent.

[CdnFox]

43 minutes ago, blackbird said:

As I said, you may be a Commie agent.

I wouldn't rule out just being  a bit of a dolt

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

Mr. Poilievre claims that he knows math and that if you work for him, you must also know math or you will be fired. If 1% of the rich have 99% of the wealth the rest of the population is starving, then the rich create no jobs other than those who clean their house and produce food to feed them and take care of their luxurious gardens and swimming pools. The rest of the population can starve to death and not disturb them because they pay gardians with guns to watch their house.

Ohhh kaaayy...  sure kid....

[Gaétan]

Poilievre says Canada should build houses and apartments because there are not enough but what he doesn't say is that he is going to take the money for it from your pocket, not richest off course, simple math and good sence. We have enough of these hypocrites let's vote for the Geen or the NDP the are going to take the money from where it is, the Macaque Ilands.

[eyeball]

13 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Mr. Poilievre claims that he knows math and that if you work for him, you must also know math or you will be fired.

We should be more concerned about the math skills on display around here by some of Poilievre's most ardent supporters. They indicate a low level of expectations that Poilievre won't need to aim very high to reach.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Poilievre says Canada should build houses and apartments because there are not enough but what he doesn't say is that he is going to take the money for it from your pocket, not richest off course,

Only if I'm the one who buys the house   And if i am, then i have a house! YaY!

That's the benefit of capitalism, PP won't have to put in any new money - that comes from the developers who are willing to put their money on the table and hire lots of people at good wages to build the homes, then other people who want a home come along and buy it and have a place to live.

It's not complicated

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simple math