Leftists Just Getting More and More Revolting

[godzilla]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Dude they LITERALLY just pulled trump from the ballot in two states on grounds that NOBODY thinks they had the authority to.

They literally created a fake dossier and used to weaponize the FBI to go after their political opponent.

They have pushed for less accountability at the polling stations - that badly erodes people's faith in democracy as we've CLEARLY seen in the last few years with a huge percent of the population having NO faith in the last election results because there's so many avenues for cheating that couldn't' be detected.

THat's before we get into spending 4 years falsely claiming that trump is illigitmate as a president due to 'collusion'. which very obviously never happened.  But that they assured would be proven any day now for 4 years.  You've STILL got hillary appearing on tv saying trump is an illegitimate president. '

Doesn't mean the republicans are guilt free on that score either but don't you DARE pretend the dems haven't done a lot to erode democracy

pulling him from the ballot is fair game if thats actually the law.

fake dossier is NOT anti democratic.

please SITE your claims of "accountability at the polling stations"... whatever that means.

claiming "collusion" is NOT anti democratic.

so... yeah, feel free to SITE instance where Democrats are attempting to manipulate the election system.

and feel free... AGAIN, to address Trumps false elector scheme. which is about the most direct attack on the US election system in US history.

[taxme]

9 minutes ago, godzilla said:

can you please site an instance where Democrats have eroded democracy?

hows this... Donald Trump instigated a plan to have illegal electors sign fraudulent documents to send to congress. Then senators were engaged to argue that those fraudulent documents had standing. Then the Vice President was engaged to not certify legitimate electors based on the existence of fraudulent electors.

that last part is the only thing that didn't go through.

i have yet to see any attempt by pro Trump people on this site to address the simple facts that i just provided. 

Holy geesus, man. Are you serious with that question? Are you that dumb that you have not noticed that the justice system has gone corrupt ever since Bidumb became the dictator of America? The corrupt Bidumb justice system has gone bonkers and is always going after conservatives like crazy, mac. Where do you get your crap from? 🤮

[godzilla]

Just now, taxme said:

Holy geesus, man. Are you serious with that question? Are you that dumb that you have not noticed that the justice system has gone corrupt ever since Bidumb became the dictator of America? The corrupt Bidumb justice system has gone bonkers and is always going after conservatives like crazy, mac. Where do you get your crap from? 🤮

what does the justice system have to do with the electoral system? they are separate systems.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, godzilla said:

pulling him from the ballot is fair game if thats actually the law.

Sorry - they're not qualified to make that decision about that law and every other state recognized that.  Complete swing and a miss there.  IF they had real concerns they would have done what other states did and kicked it up to the proper authority for a ruling

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fake dossier is NOT anti democratic.

It absolutely is.  When you deliberately spread known fake allegations and use the fbi to attack your politcial opponent - that is an attack on democracy and is VERY undemocratic,

 

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please SITE your claims of "accountability at the polling stations"... whatever that means.

Done many times, there's entire threads on it. Go look, It is possible for there to be large amounts of things like ballot harvesting that would go undetected for example. We had a case on film and nobody including the authorities could tell if the lady was breaking the law or not for sure.

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claiming "collusion" is NOT anti democratic.

it 100 percent is if you're a political party and you're doing so to claim the president is illegitimate.

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so... yeah, feel free to SITE instance where Democrats are attempting to manipulate the election system

 

I just did.  And your only argument was "nuh uh!!!!!".  because you care more about your party than you do about democracy or america.  And you can do that if you like,  But don't complain when other people call you on it.

The fact is that the democrats have deliberately interfered with and eroded the democratic process numerous times and if you're any indication they have every intention of doing so as much as htey need to in order to win elections and hold on to power, and screw democracy.

[WestCanMan]

40 minutes ago, godzilla said:

so please provide verifiable statistics that "86/100 Canadians who died of covid were vaxed". i'm unable to find anything to support this.

The gov't never released that data per se, so they obviously never talked about it, you have to derive it from the two charts I posted for you. 

People are supposed to quickly glance at that chart, say "OMG, LOOK AT HOW BIG THE UNVAXED COLUMN ON THE LEFT IS: that's proof of vax success!", and then go out and pimp the vax.

But the reason the column on the left is so big is that the start date for that chart is Dec 14 2020. On that day there were still zero Canadians with even one dose of the vax.

Almost every single Canadian who died of covid in the first covid winter (winter is the heart of flu season, and covid follows the flu season pattern just because of the natural lack of social distancing in the winter) is represented in that column on the left. 

That's the whole country, exposed to covid in the first flu season, when it was a novel virus, all inside of the "unvaxed column" on the left side of that graph. There were no 2x-vaxed and 3x-vaxed Canadians in existence to die from covid until summer of 2021, and almost no one died of covid in either of the first two summers here. 

So the bar on the left has a full flu season with 100% of Canadians in it, and the vaxed columns had no real exposure to covid until fall of 2021, and when they did there were obviously less than %100% of Canadians in them.

 

 

TO DERIVE THAT INFO I TALKED ABOUT (the 86% multi-vaxed deaths stat):

Note the totals in each column at the end of the first reporting period, and subtract them from the total of the same columns at the end of the next reporting period. 

Eg, let's say there were 1,000 2x-vaxed dead at the end of Aug, and 1,100 at the end of Sept.

Easy, 100 2x-vaxed died in that reporting period, right?

Do that for each column and then you can get the total number of people who died in that month within each group.

If it was 100 unvaxed, 100 2x-vaxed, 100 3x-vaxed, 100 4x-vaxed then there would be 400 deaths total, and 25% of them would be from the unvaxed column, 75% would be from the other 3 columns. I.e., 75% multi-vaxed deaths and 25% unvaxed deaths

That would be Health Canada's own data about the total number of deaths from within each group, but it wouldn't be a case of them telling you, it's a case of them putting out the info in a misleading format and you extracting something meaningful from it... 

When you do that, you'll find that 85.7% (or 85.6 or something) of Canadians who died of covid were multi-vaxed. The 4x-vaxed were highly overrepresented in that stat, but they are probably the most vulnerable, so it's not unexpected.

The number of 2x-vaxed was kind of low, but that group is mostly made up of people who didn't need the vax but were forced to take it. 

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"Provincial (Alberta) data shows the death rate is about 56.5 per 100,000 people among those who are unvaccinated and five years of age or older. Meanwhile, the death rate for people who are vaccinated with two doses drops to 12.5 per 100,000 people. Those vaccinated with three doses had a death rate of 13.3 per 100,000, however, a majority of these deaths were among patients who were at least 80 years of age, a group that is especially vulnerable to COVID-19-related hospitalization and death"

That's absolutely false according to Health Canada's posted stats.

15% of Canadians were unvaxed, and only 14% of the covid deaths were from that group. That's from the Health Canada stats that you're looking at.

If the unvaxed death rate was really 4x higher, then 15% of unvaxed Canadians would have accounted for way more than 15% of deaths, right?

They never actually gave you number of deaths in each group to interpret for yourself, they showed you a graph with their own bullshit number on it. Derived from what? It's derived from "You don't get to see this data".

 

The vax-pimps love to talk about CFR, but what is that? It's the number of people who died divided by the number of people who tested positive. But here's the rub: who gets tested for covid? The people who are terrified of covid, that's who. They're over-represented in case stats because they get tested more often. If 100 vaxed people get tested 10 times each and 100 unvaxed get tested 1 time each, which group has more cases? Probably the exact same same in reality, because the vax doesn't prevent infection at all according to their own gospel. But they got tested more, and asymptomatic people test positive quite often, as I'm sure you've noticed, so they record a far higher number of cases.

If the vaxed group records 30 cases, and the unvaxed group records 6 cases, and then they calculate their CFR based on that data, what do they get...? A faulty result. And bob's your mother's brother.

Edited January 17, 2024 by WestCanMan

[Hodad]

16 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't know what the case was in the US. 

In Canada we're 85% vaxed and 86% of our covid deaths were among the vaxed. 

TBH, my goal isn't to prove that the jab did more harm than good, and I don't know where you got that impression from.

FYI none of us will ever have access to the type of data required to prove anything of the sort, because we'd need to have really specific data about all of the people in the vaxed/unvaxed groups and their respective risk levels, what variants they were exposed to, their CFR, etc. 

In Canada we know about vax status within each age group, but age is only the second highest risk factor. We don't have access to the vax rates of people with co-morbidities, or the vax status of elderly people with co-morbidities - the most important info of all. 

Just know that back when you were running around trying to get toilet paper and covering your face with an old bra, I was already telling people here that the key to making the vaccines look good was going to be "getting people who aren't at risk into the vaxed category" for reasons you probably still don't understand.  

Here's what I proved conclusively with all the facts and data that I posted: The covid jab is absolutely not effective enough to warrant mandates. Not even close. 

It's possible that it is slightly effective, and people should obviously be allowed to take it if they want to, but if covid is really as dangerous as advertised then we need to look for something better. Furthermore, due to the risk that poses to young people who aren't at risk of dying from covid, it's abhorrent that they should be forced to take it.

FYI more multi-vaxed Canadians died in 2022 (19,000 x .85 = 16,000+) than unvaxed people died in 2020 or 2021 (15K and 14K).

If the death toll in 2020 was abominable, when it was so much lower than 2022, then 2022 was a multi-vaxed apocalypse. Think of all the advantages 2022 had over 2020:

1. everyone was unvaxed for all of 2020
2. covid was still a novel virus in 2020
3. 30,000 of the most vulnerable Canadians had already died in 2020 and 2021
4. at the start of 2022 all of the dirty unvaxed were bottled up - only the vaxed were able to be out and about. At the start of 2020 even people fresh outta Wuhan were running free in Trudeauland.

85% vaxed + deaths soaring = vaccine.

Next.

🤣The only things you "proved conclusively" is that you have no idea how to evaluate efficacy AND that you are so politically entrenched that you have no interest in learning.

I am definitely not going to recapitulate the stupid vaccine conversation again, or the reasons why the most vulnerable were also the most vaccinated, but suffice it to say that you have not uncovered the secret information that the world's doctors, scientists, epidemiologists and academics have somehow overlooked.

You're just another internet kook who thinks he he understands climate better than climatologists and vaccines better than the epidemiologists and virologists--while getting even the basics wrong. I don't know how one develops such illusions of grandeur. Too many hugs as a child? Too few? Who knows?

Edited January 17, 2024 by Hodad

[WestCanMan]

37 minutes ago, godzilla said:

1. you don't site but willing accept as true. but what was the population of people who are getting covid? the disease continues to spread. everybody will be getting it. so did the number of people actually getting covid jump 500% or something?

Not a conservative, Q-anon site...

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2. who is MSM?

Mainstream media. CNN, NBC, CBC, CTV, Global, etc.

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3. who cares?

If a lawyer or realtor did that they'd lose their job instantly. Conflicts of interest are a massive deal.

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4. yeah, again... people still get covid even though they are vaccinated. VACCINES DO NOT PREVENT PEOPLE FROM COMING INTO CONTACT WITH THE VIRUS.

Deaths were spiking. All the vax-pimps really cared in 2020 and 2021 when fewer people were dying. In 2022, suddenly a really high death toll wasn't worth mentioning. "The pandemic is over."

Why did the whole MSM decide to ignore all of the covid deaths at the same time? 

Trusted News Initiative.

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5. again, again... what was the population? everyone is getting covid. the point is that if you are unvaccinated you have a staggeringly higher chance of death.

Canada is the population. 86% of covid deaths were among the multi-vaxed in Canada. People were noticing, or at least I was. I posted it in a lot of places. It was Health Canada's own data and it was highly destructive to their narrative. 

Then they just stopped posting it, and now we're all in the dark. They can say whatever they want and all I can do is point to the fact that they were lying in 2022. 

[WestCanMan]

45 minutes ago, taxme said:

The demonrats are always whining and keep saying that if Trump becomes President democracy will be in peril. Yet, at the same time, these demonrats are trying to destroy democracy just by watching all that they are doing today and their anti-democratic actions in America to try and destroy democracy.

Yep.

 

IMO, using the FBI to commit crimes during the collusion farce was pretty undemocratic. The FBI's election interference with regards to the laptop was also undemocratic, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

44 minutes ago, godzilla said:

nobody was locked up.

but i do agree that variants are spread by vaccinated people. its just slower to spread than with unvaxed. there is not stopping it unless we close borders completely.

In late 2021 and early 2022 the unvaxed weren't allowed into restaurants, movie theatres, onto planes, etc. Only the vaxed were. 

The vaxed brought omicron here from SA, the unvaxed had no access. 

[godzilla]

57 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The gov't never released that data per se, so they obviously never talked about it, you have to derive it from the two charts I posted for you. 

People are supposed to quickly glance at that chart, say "OMG, LOOK AT HOW BIG THE UNVAXED COLUMN ON THE LEFT IS: that's proof of vax success!", and then go out and pimp the vax.

But the reason the column on the left is so big is that the start date for that chart is Dec 14 2020. On that day there were still zero Canadians with even one dose of the vax.

Almost every single Canadian who died of covid in the first covid winter (winter is the heart of flu season, and covid follows the flu season pattern just because of the natural lack of social distancing in the winter) is represented in that column on the left. 

That's the whole country, exposed to covid in the first flu season, when it was a novel virus, all inside of the "unvaxed column" on the left side of that graph. There were no 2x-vaxed and 3x-vaxed Canadians in existence to die from covid until summer of 2021, and almost no one died of covid in either of the first two summers here. 

So the bar on the left has a full flu season with 100% of Canadians in it, and the vaxed columns had no real exposure to covid until fall of 2021, and when they did there were obviously less than %100% of Canadians in them.

 

 

TO DERIVE THAT INFO I TALKED ABOUT (the 86% multi-vaxed deaths stat):

Note the totals in each column at the end of the first reporting period, and subtract them from the total of the same columns at the end of the next reporting period. 

Eg, let's say there were 1,000 2x-vaxed dead at the end of Aug, and 1,100 at the end of Sept.

Easy, 100 2x-vaxed died in that reporting period, right?

Do that for each column and then you can get the total number of people who died in that month within each group.

If it was 100 unvaxed, 100 2x-vaxed, 100 3x-vaxed, 100 4x-vaxed then there would be 400 deaths total, and 25% of them would be from the unvaxed column, 75% would be from the other 3 columns. I.e., 75% multi-vaxed deaths and 25% unvaxed deaths

That would be Health Canada's own data about the total number of deaths from within each group, but it wouldn't be a case of them telling you, it's a case of them putting out the info in a misleading format and you extracting something meaningful from it... 

When you do that, you'll find that 85.7% (or 85.6 or something) of Canadians who died of covid were multi-vaxed. The 4x-vaxed were highly overrepresented in that stat, but they are probably the most vulnerable, so it's not unexpected.

The number of 2x-vaxed was kind of low, but that group is mostly made up of people who didn't need the vax but were forced to take it. 

That's absolutely false according to Health Canada's posted stats.

15% of Canadians were unvaxed, and only 14% of the covid deaths were from that group. That's from the Health Canada stats that you're looking at.

If the unvaxed death rate was really 4x higher, then 15% of unvaxed Canadians would have accounted for way more than 15% of deaths, right?

They never actually gave you number of deaths in each group to interpret for yourself, they showed you a graph with their own bullshit number on it. Derived from what? It's derived from "You don't get to see this data".

 

The vax-pimps love to talk about CFR, but what is that? It's the number of people who died divided by the number of people who tested positive. But here's the rub: who gets tested for covid? The people who are terrified of covid, that's who. They're over-represented in case stats because they get tested more often. If 100 vaxed people get tested 10 times each and 100 unvaxed get tested 1 time each, which group has more cases? Probably the exact same same in reality, because the vax doesn't prevent infection at all according to their own gospel. But they got tested more, and asymptomatic people test positive quite often, as I'm sure you've noticed, so they record a far higher number of cases.

If the vaxed group records 30 cases, and the unvaxed group records 6 cases, and then they calculate their CFR based on that data, what do they get...? A faulty result. And bob's your mother's brother.

sorry man... but thats completely unrepresentative. you simply can't look at that difference in reporting period and not have the overall counts of the populations to derive what you believe. period. sorry.

you could make an argument that population numbers are unrepresentative like you suggest... if you had those numbers. and if you knew how those numbers were acquired or calculated. but you don't. so you are hypothesizing.

meanwhile, the stats i provided you were derived from the government of Alberta! antivax central!

but even more importantly... you just kinda conveniently skipped over the most important question. what about the grand conspiracy. please inform people about how that works. please inform people about how 100's of thousands of people who make a lifetime career in medicine and related fields are all contriving to pull this hoax off. that includes all state/provincial, national and international health agencies, universities and hospitals. you look at two graphs and the hoax is up! but how did they pull this off?! without any leaks whatsoever of the grand scheme that everyone is participating in.

do tell.

Edited January 17, 2024 by godzilla

[godzilla]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry - they're not qualified to make that decision about that law and every other state recognized that.  Complete swing and a miss there.  IF they had real concerns they would have done what other states did and kicked it up to the proper authority for a ruling

It absolutely is.  When you deliberately spread known fake allegations and use the fbi to attack your politcial opponent - that is an attack on democracy and is VERY undemocratic,

 

Done many times, there's entire threads on it. Go look, It is possible for there to be large amounts of things like ballot harvesting that would go undetected for example. We had a case on film and nobody including the authorities could tell if the lady was breaking the law or not for sure.

it 100 percent is if you're a political party and you're doing so to claim the president is illegitimate.

 

I just did.  And your only argument was "nuh uh!!!!!".  because you care more about your party than you do about democracy or america.  And you can do that if you like,  But don't complain when other people call you on it.

The fact is that the democrats have deliberately interfered with and eroded the democratic process numerous times and if you're any indication they have every intention of doing so as much as htey need to in order to win elections and hold on to power, and screw democracy.

the ballot issue is before the courts. its an important question and the courts have decided to take it up. the courts will be cognizant that it may affect all political parties equally in future. if you think its an attack on democracy then lets chalk that up to that... i'll concede it. and thus its appropriate that it be addressed by the courts.

"done many times" but you've not provided me with the links. more importantly i'd like to see citations from election experts and not armchair enthusiasts about how voting gets rigged and how this was done in the US. because you know what? the Trump team had 50 or more chances in front of judges and were unable to provide ANY respectable theories or schemes. NONE.

but i note again, that you refuse to address the fake electors scheme. you must admit that it is a direct attack on democracy and that as such (just like the ballot issue) needs to be addressed by the courts. if deemed Trump is innocent of any attack on democracy then so be it... but just like the ballot issue, the courts will be cognizant that if Trump can do it then so can another party... so Trump will be found guilty, because democracy is not fulfilled when ANY political will is able to do such a thing.

[taxme]

1 hour ago, godzilla said:

what does the justice system have to do with the electoral system? they are separate systems.

Hell if i know? 🤣

[taxme]

1 hour ago, godzilla said:

sorry man... but thats completely unrepresentative. you simply can't look at that difference in reporting period and not have the overall counts of the populations to derive what you believe. period. sorry.

you could make an argument that population numbers are unrepresentative like you suggest... if you had those numbers. and if you knew how those numbers were acquired or calculated. but you don't. so you are hypothesizing.

meanwhile, the stats i provided you were derived from the government of Alberta! antivax central!

but even more importantly... you just kinda conveniently skipped over the most important question. what about the grand conspiracy. please inform people about how that works. please inform people about how 100's of thousands of people who make a lifetime career in medicine and related fields are all contriving to pull this hoax off. that includes all state/provincial, national and international health agencies, universities and hospitals. you look at two graphs and the hoax is up! but how did they pull this off?! without any leaks whatsoever of the grand scheme that everyone is participating in.

do tell.

The truth about the Covid 19 vaccine will soon allow us all to be free from ever allowing ourselves to be brainwashed to ever have to take any Covid 19 like vaccines ever again. More and more information is coming out about the Covid 19 vaccine every day that the Covid 19 vaccine has killed millions and many more millions injured innocent people as a result of the Covid experimental vaccine injections from around the world. Covid 19 was one of the greatest hoaxes ever created and foisted upon the world that was forced on every human being on earth. The biggest con job in history. 

It's interesting to note that in the year 2019, there was an event put on called Event 201 which was a meeting setup by Bill Gates to hell and a dozen others to prepare the world for the possibility of a serious pandemic to hit the world one day. Well low and behold, in early 2020, along came Covid, Coincidence or planned?  Anyone stoopid enough to still believe that Covid just happened to come along, like an ordinary flu does every year, is really out to lunch. Cuckoo. 

[godzilla]

2 minutes ago, taxme said:

The truth about the Covid 19 vaccine will soon allow us all to be free from ever allowing ourselves to be brainwashed to ever have to take any Covid 19 like vaccines ever again. More and more information is coming out about the Covid 19 vaccine every day that the Covid 19 vaccine has killed millions and many more millions injured innocent people as a result of the Covid experimental vaccine injections from around the world. Covid 19 was one of the greatest hoaxes ever created and foisted upon the world that was forced on every human being on earth. The biggest con job in history. 

It's interesting to note that in the year 2019, there was an event put on called Event 201 which was a meeting setup by Bill Gates to hell and a dozen others to prepare the world for the possibility of a serious pandemic to hit the world one day. Well low and behold, in early 2020, along came Covid, Coincidence or planned?  Anyone stoopid enough to still believe that Covid just happened to come along, like an ordinary flu does every year, is really out to lunch. Cuckoo. 

well, feel free to explain how this hoax has been pulled off! please feel free to explain how the numbers don't add up!

we're waiting.

[taxme]

7 minutes ago, godzilla said:

well, feel free to explain how this hoax has been pulled off! please feel free to explain how the numbers don't add up!

we're waiting.

First of all you need to start realize and understand as to how the real world works. The world that we all think we live in is a great world and we the people control it, but in fact, it is a world not controlled by you and me. It is controlled by a bunch of sick and pathetic globalist elite who do have control of our MSM and the politicians that they pretty much own. 

They are what is called the hidden government that really runs and rules the world. With their pretty much running and controlling most of our politicians, and who own most of the MSM, therefore, it is not hard for them to push their communist like programs and agendas that run and can ruin our lives. When the globalists control everything as they pretty much do, they can pull off anything that they want to pull off. 

Event 201 told us all as to what they can and were able to do. Look up Event 201 for yourself, and see as to how Event 201 was preparing us all for a plandemic to happen. It became one of the biggest hoaxes ever shoved on humankind.

Again, it was very interesting to note that when the Event 201 meeting took place in 2019, the talk was about the possibility of a serious pandemic hitting the world. Well, low and behold, in 2020 the world suddenly found a pandemic or plandemic on their hands. Was Covid 19 a coincidence or a planned plandemic?  You tell me? 

No need to wait any longer. You now have my opinion on what i really think and saw happening. 😇

 

 

[godzilla]

2 minutes ago, taxme said:

First of all you need to start realize and understand as to how the real world works. The world that we all think we live in is a great world and we the people control it, but in fact, it is a world not controlled by you and me. It is controlled by a bunch of sick and pathetic globalist elite who do have control of our MSM and the politicians that they pretty much own. 

They are what is called the hidden government that really runs and rules the world. With their pretty much running and controlling most of our politicians, and who own most of the MSM, therefore, it is not hard for them to push their communist like programs and agendas that run and can ruin our lives. When the globalists control everything as they pretty much do, they can pull off anything that they want to pull off. 

Event 201 told us all as to what they can and were able to do. Look up Event 201 for yourself, and see as to how Event 201 was preparing us all for a plandemic to happen. It became one of the biggest hoaxes ever shoved on humankind.

Again, it was very interesting to note that when the Event 201 meeting took place in 2019, the talk was about the possibility of a serious pandemic hitting the world. Well, low and behold, in 2020 the world suddenly found a pandemic or plandemic on their hands. Was Covid 19 a coincidence or a planned plandemic?  You tell me? 

No need to wait any longer. You now have my opinion on what i really think and saw happening. 😇

 

 

yeah sure... but how did they fix the election?

i'd concede if what you are saying is that there are cabals of individuals who have power and have very sophisticated resources to influence the general population. thats a given.

but that doesn't fix an election. which is what is being proposed. and what is being proposed is important. what is happening is that, because whatever side is unable to influence people sufficiently then they are trying to discredit the voting system in general. and we will never be able to make the whole political process better by demonizing the one thing that actually still works.

[CdnFox]

57 minutes ago, godzilla said:

the ballot issue is before the courts. its an important question and the courts have decided to take it up. the courts will be cognizant that it may affect all political parties equally in future. if you think its an attack on democracy then lets chalk that up to that... i'll concede it. and thus its appropriate that it be addressed by the courts.
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Yeah that's what i said. Choosing to exceed your authority and ban a candidate is against democracy - kicking it to the correct court who has the authority to decide is not. But - they chose the first path

So we agree- that is an example of them screwing with democracy, and the fact that it failed and is being looked at by a higher court doesn't change that
 

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done many times" but you've not provided me with the links.

SO go look it up jackass. I'm not here to hold your hand, especially when you clearly aren't interested in the truth in teh first place. I did a whole thread on illegal ballot drops and why it's a problem whether it was abused or not, you'll find it in 10 seconds with a search. Otherwise - it's up to you to PROVE that it's not possible. GO ahead,

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more importantly i'd like to see citations from election experts and not armchair enthusiasts about how voting gets rigged and how this was done in the US.

Lets face it - if i handed you a signed note from god you'd still say you needed more proof. You're not interested in the truth.

In fact you've already twisted what i said entirely. I never said it got done - i said it's important to make the rules such that it COULDNT be done without being detected. Becasue otherwise people don't have faith in the results.  But you're so dishonest you changed that to "how it was actually done".  Nobody said it was - i said it could have been and you wouldn't know

But the real question is - if you genuinely want to know about possible election fraud concerns why haven't you looked it up yourself?

Here's a starter - took me half a sec

https://www.cato.org/blog/trouble-ballot-harvesting

So lets get real - you don't give a crap as long as you don't think it's hurting your side.

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because you know what? the Trump team had 50 or more chances in front of judges and were unable to provide ANY respectable theories or schemes. NONE.

Well that's not true. Sorry - once again you twist the truth to fit a narrative.

They couldn't find proof.  That does not mean it didn't happen and there are ways it could have for sure.  But - those ways may not leave evidence Which means even if it didn't happen there's no way to reasonably be SURE of that and that's what gives us problems like we saw on J6.  Right now about 1/3 of the us believes that biden tampered with the election substantially. 

So when the dems shoot down things like voter id - which happens in most countries including Canada - which would help combat the idea that there's voter fraud or 'stand in' voting then they're eroding the public's faith in democracy and that IS in fact a problem.

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but i note again, that you refuse to address the fake electors scheme.

I have never mentioned it,  or offered an opinon nor was it discussed   I addressed your post claiming that the dems had never done anything to degrade democracy.

I get why you're trying to change the channel right now, but lets finish that topic and then we can move on if you like. I've already stated that just because the dems have done it doesn't mean the republicans have not, and that should be good enough till we're finished with this point,

Every single thing i mentioned was the dems degrading and weakening democracy. So - are we agreed on that point yet, or did you want to defend the indefensible a little more before we move on.

[herbie]

And every diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic out there would totally agree with taxme's opinion.

Biden's coming to get you Barbara. He's coming to get you!

[godzilla]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They couldn't find proof.

got it.

you need to research this more. elections ARE auditable. if they were not then you would be able to easily identify how they are not auditable. you know nothing about how these elections are actually audited.

what you provide on ballot harvesting is self evident. but it is not cheating on an election. and is easily identified during election audit!

 

Edited January 17, 2024 by godzilla

[taxme]

1 hour ago, godzilla said:

yeah sure... but how did they fix the election?

i'd concede if what you are saying is that there are cabals of individuals who have power and have very sophisticated resources to influence the general population. thats a given.

but that doesn't fix an election. which is what is being proposed. and what is being proposed is important. what is happening is that, because whatever side is unable to influence people sufficiently then they are trying to discredit the voting system in general. and we will never be able to make the whole political process better by demonizing the one thing that actually still works.

So, you cannot believe that Covid 19 appeared to be a scam? Well, how do you explain for the fact that there was an event called Event 201, which was put on by Bill Gates to hell in October of 2019, where the meeting was to discuss the possibility of a serious pandemic coming along in the near future.

And in the spring of 2020, we suddenly have a serious flu pandemic or plandemic on or hands which they called Covid 19. 

You cannot deny that this certainly did look like a conspiracy in the making and then brought forth by the big pharma WEF globalists. Those globalist elite cabal do have great influence over our politicians and the MSM. Even our dictator in Ottawa and our alternate back up dictator PM in Ottawa do have dealings with the WEF globalists. Freeland is a member of the WEF But that is up to whomever as to whether they want to or not believe that Covid 19 was a planned event. 😇

It's hard for me to say as to whether the globalist elite did have an hand in the last election in America and maybe even in Canada also. Hey, we never know, eh? I do not trust our politicians nor what the lefty liberal MSM says anymore. They lie most of the time and the lefty activist MSM goes along with their lies. All i ever see our politicians do is raise more taxes, make the government bigger, and try as hard as they can to try and take freedom of speech and rights away from we the peasants. Sadly, they are still getting away with what they say and do because it does appear as though nobody really gives all that much of a crap. Except for a few real and true patriots who do fight back, but they are vastly outnumbered by those who could care less about what is going on. You especially. Just saying. 😛

 

[godzilla]

8 minutes ago, taxme said:

So, you cannot believe that Covid 19 appeared to be a scam? Well, how do you explain for the fact that there was an event called Event 201, which was put on by Bill Gates to hell in October of 2019, where the meeting was to discuss the possibility of a serious pandemic coming along in the near future.

And in the spring of 2020, we suddenly have a serious flu pandemic or plandemic on or hands which they called Covid 19. 

You cannot deny that this certainly did look like a conspiracy in the making and then brought forth by the big pharma WEF globalists. Those globalist elite cabal do have great influence over our politicians and the MSM. Even our dictator in Ottawa and our alternate back up dictator PM in Ottawa do have dealings with the WEF globalists. Freeland is a member of the WEF But that is up to whomever as to whether they want to or not believe that Covid 19 was a planned event. 😇

It's hard for me to say as to whether the globalist elite did have an hand in the last election in America and maybe even in Canada also. Hey, we never know, eh? I do not trust our politicians nor what the lefty liberal MSM says anymore. They lie most of the time and the lefty activist MSM goes along with their lies. All i ever see our politicians do is raise more taxes, make the government bigger, and try as hard as they can to try and take freedom of speech and rights away from we the peasants. Sadly, they are still getting away with what they say and do because it does appear as though nobody really gives all that much of a crap. Except for a few real and true patriots who do fight back, but they are vastly outnumbered by those who could care less about what is going on. You especially. Just saying. 😛

 

 

well, you can't just point to one meeting, of which i can probably bring up tonnes of meetings where there is concern about global infection in our globe trotting age and say that those people planned and executed this without any shred of evidence. if you are implying that some bad actor created the virus and then disseminated it to profit on vaccine sales then that certainly has motive. and the conspiracy to do so could be carried out by a single player.

but i haven't been arguing that that did or did not happen. people on this forum are arguing that vaccines do nothing when that would require a conspiracy of astronomical participation. without anyone spilling the beans.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, godzilla said:

got it.

you need to research this more. elections ARE auditable. if they were not then you would be able to easily identify how they are not auditable. you know nothing about how these elections are actually audited.

what you provide on ballot harvesting is self evident. but it is not cheating on an election. and is easily identified during election audit!

 

Ahh - i see.  Deliberately pretending you didn't know what i was talking about.

So - how do you audit the mail in ballots to prevent ballot harvesting?

Go on - i'm all ears.

And that's just one issue.

Sigh. If all you're going to do is lie kid - what's the point in talking to you? You're starting to sound like just another leftie loser who won't face simple facts because they're too tribal to get their head out of their ass.

[taxme]

24 minutes ago, godzilla said:

 

well, you can't just point to one meeting, of which i can probably bring up tonnes of meetings where there is concern about global infection in our globe trotting age and say that those people planned and executed this without any shred of evidence. if you are implying that some bad actor created the virus and then disseminated it to profit on vaccine sales then that certainly has motive. and the conspiracy to do so could be carried out by a single player.

but i haven't been arguing that that did or did not happen. people on this forum are arguing that vaccines do nothing when that would require a conspiracy of astronomical participation. without anyone spilling the beans.

We have no evidence, or maybe i should say, plenty of evidence to show that the Covid vaccine did not work at all. What proof is there that the covid vaccines worked at all? There is none. But the conspiracy by the big pharma globalists was that they were telling us all that the covid vaccine did work. 

As far as i am concerned, Covid 19 was a conspiracy and the vaccine was not to help fight the so called Covid virus, but had more to do with the pushing of their poisonous and experimental Covid vaccines, that we are being told today, have injured and killed millions of people around the world. 

Again, you are totally clueless, when you obviously try to deny that covid was part of a conspiracy of lies when the truth about Covid is coming out and it does not look so good for the Covid lie. But hey, believe what you want to believe and so will i. Bye-bye. 😁

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, godzilla said:

sorry man... but thats completely unrepresentative. you simply can't look at that difference in reporting period and not have the overall counts of the populations to derive what you believe. period. sorry.

You have it 100% backwards.

When you look at it month by month by month by month like I did you get the clearest picture possible. (I don't just have those two months, I have about 10 or 12 of those.)

Within a 1-month timeframe everything is the same. The ratio of vaxed/unvaxed stays almost the exact same. You're comparing the exact same month of the year, so it's the same part of the flu season. It's also exposure to the exact same variant. 

The only unrepresentative part of that graph I showed you is the part that goes from Dec 14 2020 to the end of the first month, but I chop all of that off. All thats left is data for the new 1-month period.

Do you understand that when you do it my way, with the time frame from Aug 2022 to Sept 2022, all of the data from Dec 14 2020 until the end of the first reporting period gets left out?

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you could make an argument that population numbers are unrepresentative like you suggest... if you had those numbers. and if you knew how those numbers were acquired or calculated. but you don't. so you are hypothesizing.

There's nothing left out buddy. Those are pure stats.

Look at what I can do to that data if I do it Hodad's way, or eyeball's way:

"Sure, 86% of covid deaths were among the multi-vaxed, which is a 1:1 death rate ratio between vaxed and unvaxed, but the multi-vaxed had ten times as many cases as the unvaxed. That means that the case fatality rate among the unvaxed was actually ten times higher: 55 deaths per 100,000 cases compared to only 5.5 deaths per 100,000 cases."

See what I did there? I added a bullshit stat into the mix to achieve the result I wanted. "The number of cases."

Doesn't it seem odd to you that: "in order to make it seem as if the vax was successful, you have to say that the infection rate among the vaxed was far higher".

Does it even make it better though? It means that you will get covid more often if you are vaxed, but you have a better chance of surviving each infection, so in the end you have the exact same chance of eventually dying. 

 

None of ^that^ is hard. I feel like you're getting left behind though. 

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but even more importantly... you just kinda conveniently skipped over the most important question. what about the grand conspiracy. please inform people about how that works. please inform people about how 100's of thousands of people who make a lifetime career in medicine and related fields are all contriving to pull this hoax off. that includes all state/provincial, national and international health agencies, universities and hospitals. you look at two graphs and the hoax is up! but how did they pull this off?! without any leaks whatsoever of the grand scheme that everyone is participating in.

Here's a thing: because of the Prep Act, which one Donald Trump brought into existence, you can't sue anyone for prescribing the vax to you unless you can prove that they intentionally did it to cause you harm.

What else can doctors prescribe to you to fight covid, with that same level of protection? 

If you prescribe ivermectin you lose your license. 

How hard of a choice is that? WTF is your doctor gonna tell you?

If you look back in time, you'll see that Trudeau was telling Canadians "We don't think that covid will effect Canadians very seriously." Then he gave tons of our best PPE (N95s, etc) away to the Chinese: we never got any of that back from there. He spoke out against blocking passengers from China from flying into our country - they could waltz around free and clear, even if they arrived with a cough and fever - quarantine was optional for them. 

While Trudeau was doing that, Pelosi et al were flaming Trump for banning passengers from China. Then a bogus "genome study" came out that said "95% of the covid in the US came through Italy", which Americans took to mean "blocking China flights did nothing", but if it was true then it was actually proof that covid had to go all the way around the world to get into the US: it couldn't get there directly from China.

Pelosi was giving out hugs in Chinatown on Feb 28th, DeBlasio was telling people to keep riding the subway like normal on March 9th iirc, the leftists in our Canadian/US gov'ts were all giving THE WORST advice possible. 

Do you remember what united them all? 

When the prospect of using HCQ to fight covid came out the left was kicked into action like a hornet's nest busted open. All of a sudden they all gave a shit. They were angry. They were making accusations against everyone. Dr Raoult was a hack!!!! A study came out right away in the Lancet and the NEJoM which showed that HCQ actually killed people. HCQ died faster than the May Fly. Then the Lancet/NEJoM study was retracted because "not all of the people involved in the study had agreed that their names could be used publicly" or some shit like that. The whole thing was just gone. 

 

Go look up TNI godzilla. The Trusted News Initiative. 

It's an international media conglomerate that was hammered together in 2019 to "combat election disinformation". Its members include CBC, BBC, AP, Reuters, WshPo, NYT, Twitter, FB, Google, etc. 

Every single one of those media outlets worked together to pimp the covid narratives:

1. Fauci is great, and trustworthy (while he was hiding the truth about his own little Frankenstein covid virus)
2. Don't say "BSL4 Lab in Wuhan" or you'll get banned from social media (also FB and Twitter)
3. Didier Raoult is a miserable quack
4. HCQ kills
5. blocking flights from China is racist
6. Trudeau is awesome (allowed sick passengers in, gave away our PPE, never signed us up for vaxes, etc...)
7. Trump is bad (blocked flights from China, shut down the economy to protect Americans while Dems were covid-fools, created operation warp speed, etc)
8. "The vax will be safe and effective" (they instantly knew that HCQ wouldn't work, then they instantly knew the vax was the only hope before it was tested, then they backed every single vax promise 100% and pretended the original claims were never made)
9. the vax will get us to herd immunity
10. Ignore the Israeli ICU data
11. If you take the vax you don't have to worry about covid,
12. If you take the vax you don't have to worry about getting grandma sick
13. OK, you'll get sick but you won't go to the hospital, but the unvaxed can give you a strain of covid and that covid might kill you
14. Young people need the vax too, look at what happened to this healthy 49-yr old from England...
15. the unvaxed are allowing covid to mutate but the vaxed aren't
16. OK, you'll go to the hospital but not ICU
17. OK, you'll go to ICU but not die
18. We never said anything about herd immunity
19. OK, you can die but you're less likely to die than the unvaxed
20. OK, the vax harms some young people, but not as bad as covid...
21. How many vaxed people "died of covid" before the MSM ever let on that anyone who was vaxed had ever died of covid?
22. How long had they been dying for when the media finally let on?
23. Why did you never know that 86% of covid deaths were occurring among the vaxed in 2022, when the data was right there?
24. How is it that every media outlet in NA was always in agreement, 100%?
25. How did they achieve that laundry list of back-peddles without people saying "Hey, wait a minute...."
26. How did our entire Canadian media believe that there was a sea of swastikas at the Freedom Convoy rally when none of them got it on camera?
27. How did the entire western media all agree that BLM was pure and decent, and their rallies were "beautiful and 93% peaceful", and the Freedom Convoy was theoretically peeing on everything, destroying statues, harassing people, etc...? Honestly, which was a peaceful rally and which one was violent and destructive?

 

Keep in mind, I still never said that there was a conspiracy, but all of the things I wrote are true. Make of that what you will.

Before you make another vague accusation, I'd like for you to tell me which of the above things that I wrote were inaccurate? If that's all accurate, how would you describe it all? 

Edited January 18, 2024 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

@godzilla

Read this whole article, and then comment, if you will: https://cbc.radio-canada.ca/en/media-centre/trusted-news-initiative-plan-disinformation-coronavirus

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Trusted News Initiative announces plans to tackle harmful coronavirus disinformation

• The Trusted News Initiative partners are: BBC, CBC/Radio-Canada, Facebook, Google/YouTube, Twitter, Microsoft, AFP, Reuters, Financial Times, The Wall Street Journal, European Broadcasting Union (EBU), The Hindu, First Draft, and Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism.

  CBC/Radio-Canada announced its participation in the Trusted News Initiative in September 2019.

So tell me, was the Trusted News Initiative actually "combatting disinformation" when they pushed Fauci's lies and banned people from the internet for talking about the BSL4 Lab? You see that FB and Twitter are right there on the member list, right? These guys were all thick as thieves. 

Tell me: when you see a bunch of people sitting together and trying to get their stories straight, what's usually going on? Do they have to huddle together to remember the truth, do ya figger? Is that what happens?

 

Here's another one, slightly less germane to our above posts: https://www.cbc.ca/news/editorsblog/editor-blog-trust-1.5936535

• Recent survey found 49 % of Canadians think journalists are purposely trying to mislead

 

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, godzilla said:

pulling him from the ballot is fair game if thats actually the law.

fake dossier is NOT anti democratic.

claiming "collusion" is NOT anti democratic.

Except it's not the law.

And fake dossiers and fake accusations are crimes.