Leftists Just Getting More and More Revolting

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Nope. Don't have 7 and BOTH RSP and COVID are on the rise HERE, like I said. Strike 3, you're out.

The number of strikes might matter if you weren't playing tiddlywinks  

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Many trials of 30,000 individuals demonstrated effectiveness.

The FDA would not approve a vaccine that "did more harm than good," in a statistically significant number of cases.

Nope. Statistically significant effectiveness.

BTW, I want a medal for my effort.

Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children (MIS-C ... - CDC

and

Assessment of COVID-19 as the Underlying Cause of Death Among Children and Young People Aged 0 to 19 Years in the US

 

Oh horseshit robo. That sirum is dangerous. It may have helped some people, but the danger is well documented. I can justify it for the elderly and immune deficient, but other than that...bad idea. It's not worth the risk.

[eyeball]

12 hours ago, Hodad said:

I'm sorry this modern miracle of rapid vaccine development didn't meet your personal standards or give you happy feelings...

Oh no, despite his insistence the vaccine killed more lives than it saved WCM will also quite happily point out that the warp speed with which the vaccine was developed and rolled out is the new Orange standard for saving lives.

Having it both ways is pretty standard.

[impartialobserver]

If there is a thread that epitomizes a troll thread more than this, I have never seen it.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

If there is a thread that epitomizes a troll thread more than this, I have never seen it.

It's an important topic, io.

Fifteen years ago people with different political affiliations could speak to each other, but that's no longer the case. The BS narrative that "All conservatives are "[name any pejorative]s" is the main reason for that.

Pretty much everyone in NA would be assumed to be putting their country ahead of their political affiliation 15 years ago, but it's unlikely that the majority of leftists are primarily loyalty to Canada/USA, and many of them clearly pander to our geopolitical rivals, or even enemies. 

Lying used to be frowned upon - there used to be actual shame associated with it - but leftists have gone full-Goebbels. They consider it their duty to lie and they are psychotic in that regard.

As a result of all ^that^, the leftist tent is shrinking right now, as more and more minorities, college-educated people, women, etc, are finding it harder and harder to stay onboard. They're either drifting into 'voter apathy' territory or completely swapping sides. The holdovers are either just there because they haven't been paying attention, they're too proud to admit that they were wrong, or they're actual cultists.

Find me a person who still supports all the damage from the BLM riots, the forced vaxing of young adults/firing of the unvaxed, etc, and I'll show you a pure cultist. 

I'm not sure where we go from here. I dunno if democracy in the US can be salvaged right now... One party controls the MSM, most of the judiciary, plus they have the FBI in their pocket... What more does it take?

Leftists here applauded vax-fascism. They didn't blink when Zelensky banned opposition parties and assumed total control of the media. What percent of leftists in the US would object to Biden swapping out 2 SCJ's, cancelling Trump, and shutting down Fox News?  

The FBI can get rid of a couple SCJ's on false pretences and leftists will support it 100%. Fox News? Easy pickings. They'll celebrate it. They're already cheering on the crap against Trump - they just want blood and they don't care how illegitimate a conviction against him would be. 

It's scary how close we are to seeing the US become a fully authoritarian state.

Edited January 16, 2024 by WestCanMan

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

If there is a thread that epitomizes a troll thread more than this, I have never seen it.

You realize he'll take that as a challenge right?

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Fifteen years ago people with different political affiliations could speak to each other, but that's no longer the case. The BS narrative that "All conservatives are "[name any pejorative]s" is the main reason for that.

True.  Followed by "and as such they should be punished, hurt, banned or cancelled and should not be tolerated".

That's actually a very very  real problem. We used to be allowed to have different views and still respect each other and be good neighbours and co workers. not any more.

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

You realize he'll take that as a challenge right?

Yes, I know. He is simply putting out bait and hoping that folks will react and do so vehemently. The difference is that I know it is nothing but bait and therefore not worthy of constructive discussion. 

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

If there is a thread that epitomizes a troll thread more than this, I have never seen it.

I've thought of one.  I'll start a thread titled "Should Palestinians allow Trump to nuke the gay unborn whales for Jesus?"

 

I will have literally triggered everybody everywhere  

Edited January 16, 2024 by CdnFox

[CdnFox]

 

2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Yes, I know. He is simply putting out bait and hoping that folks will react and do so vehemently. The difference is that I know it is nothing but bait and therefore not worthy of constructive discussion. 

 

 

well - herring is bait but it's still good to eat sometimes.   The topic may be trollish but sometimes even that can lead to interesting discussions.

The discussion about intolerance of opposing views is definitely one we should be having in both countries

[impartialobserver]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

 

well - herring is bait but it's still good to eat sometimes.   The topic may be trollish but sometimes even that can lead to interesting discussions.

The discussion about intolerance of opposing views is definitely one we should be having in both countries

Any discussion on being more tolerant of opposing views inevitably breaks down to 

Person X: You're Stupid

Person Y: Nuh.. uh, you are stupid

Person X: You are stupider

Person Y: You are so stupid that you do not even know that is not a word

Person X: You are gay and the inevitable comment concerning fellatio

Person Y: Nuh.. uh, you suck ___ and blah, blah, blah. 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Any discussion on being more tolerant of opposing views inevitably breaks down to 

Person X: You're Stupid

Person Y: Nuh.. uh, you are stupid

Person X: You are stupider

Person Y: You are so stupid that you do not even know that is not a word

Person X: You are gay and the inevitable comment concerning fellatio

Person Y: Nuh.. uh, you suck ___ and blah, blah, blah. 

Often, sure , But it's still better to have the conversations in the hopes that some of the seeds will find fertile soil even if some land among the rocks.  It's bad to just give up.

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Often, sure , But it's still better to have the conversations in the hopes that some of the seeds will find fertile soil even if some land among the rocks.  It's bad to just give up.

Maybe I am just too jaded from years on forums like this and having worked for government for 9 years as of tomorrow. As soon as I pick up on someone being the garden variety, biased troll that craves affirmation, I can't take them seriously. Behind a computer screen, there is no need to change your views when you can just call them names and log off. 

[Rebound]

22 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Get your head out of your ass, dummy.

If you measure vax efficacy by the 'incidence outcome' or straight death count, and deaths still end up being 30% higher, it's a failure either way. Either the deaths went up with the same number of infections, or 5 times as many people got infected to result in 30% more deaths, but 30% more people still died. A failure is a failure is a failure. 

Does it make the vax sound better to you if I start saying "5x as many people get infected now that 85% of Canadians are vaxed, but only 30% more die"?

In case you forgot, the only reason we were all sold into vax-slavery was to keep from dying. 

"If you take the vaccine, you don't have to worry about getting covid." Both Fauci and Rochelle Wolenski said that. MSM echoed that in Canada and the US. That's the bill of goods we were sold. 

Now you tell me: is "death" a fate worth worrying about? Because vaxed people still have to worry about that, a lot. 

You can’t math.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

Maybe I am just too jaded from years on forums like this and having worked for government for 9 years as of tomorrow. As soon as I pick up on someone being the garden variety, biased troll that craves affirmation, I can't take them seriously. Behind a computer screen, there is no need to change your views when you can just call them names and log off. 

Sure. And there's no law, moral or otherwise, that says you need to care.  But - i still think it's worth having those discussions. you'd be surprised how often people think about things after they've logged off no matter what they told others to suck prior to doing so. 

Better to light a candle than curse the darkness in my books

[WestCanMan]

55 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Maybe I am just too jaded from years on forums like this 

You're just to ok with it all.

You should never just shrug it off when people lie, slander, and slither.

Can you honestly say that you respect the opinions of people like robo, eyeball, hodad, etc? 

The leftists here just spent the last half of yesterday pretending that the vax was successful despite the fact that deaths went up by 30% after we vaxed 85% of the country. "Because infections were up!"

Do the math... How many extra infections do you have to have in order to get 30% more deaths if the vax increases your chance of survival by 80%? Should you get that many extra infections if 85% of the country is vaxed? Were we promised a vax that didn't stop people from dying, or spreading infection? 

It didn't work, period. I shouldn't have to explain myself for 2 hrs every time I say that. Those guys know, they just lie. 

Edited January 16, 2024 by WestCanMan

[impartialobserver]

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You're just to ok with it all.

You should never just shrug it off when people lie, slander, and slither.

Can you honestly say that you respect the opinions of people like robo, eyeball, hodad, etc? 

The leftists here just spent the last half of yesterday pretending that the vax was successful despite the fact that deaths went up by 30% after we vaxed 85% of the country. "Because infections were up!"

Do the math... How many extra infections do you have to have in order to get 30% more deaths if the vax increases your chance of survival by 80%?

and you honestly think that if I call someone out on a forum like this, that they will genuinely change their ways? If so, you are hysterical. And you think that your long winded diatribes are read by more than 10 or 15 folks who have already made up their minds? Again, if so.. you are funny.

I had a phone call with someone that lasted two hours and they just kept repeating themselves that the reason that their unemployment insurance claim was denied was that they voted for Trump. Believe it or not.. it was because they misspelled their own name and the legal name of the employer. Nothing I could say was going to change his mind. So I just put the phone on mute and went to work. After 2.5 hours.. he finally just hung up. He eventually filed an appeal and went in front of the board, his diatribe was the same. When asked why he spelled the name "Robert" in the following way, "Robrt".. he stammered and was furious. He kept going on and on about how we were conspiring against him. 

I find most internet forum posters to be exactly like this gentleman. 

Edited January 16, 2024 by impartialobserver

[godzilla]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You're just to ok with it all.

You should never just shrug it off when people lie, slander, and slither.

Can you honestly say that you respect the opinions of people like robo, eyeball, hodad, etc? 

The leftists here just spent the last half of yesterday pretending that the vax was successful despite the fact that deaths went up by 30% after we vaxed 85% of the country. "Because infections were up!"

Do the math... How many extra infections do you have to have in order to get 30% more deaths if the vax increases your chance of survival by 80%? Should you get that many extra infections if 85% of the country is vaxed? Were we promised a vax that didn't stop people from dying, or spreading infection? 

It didn't work, period. I shouldn't have to explain myself for 2 hrs every time I say that. Those guys know, they just lie. 

so, there is some grand conspiracy? this is the sort of thing that you believe... in grand conspiracies. one involving tens of thousands of individuals. all winking at each other and are very good at making sure that the entire conspiracy involving, all health workers, doctors, public and private research organizations, national and international health organizations are able to communicate on how this will all go down without one person leaking the plan.

since i have a background in statistics i'm always preaching that statistics should be mandatory in public school. because numbers don't lie and when some guy who sits in a chair somewhere and does his own "research" on pathology... and decides he gets it, where thousands of people who have been doing this their whole life don't get it. that ridiculous.

and yet, you're not going to complain when you get rushed to the hospital and everyone in the operating room is wearing a mask. and isn't coughing on your open wounds. and washing their hands.

[godzilla]

14 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

and you honestly think that if I call someone out on a forum like this, that they will genuinely change their ways? If so, you are hysterical. And you think that your long winded diatribes are read by more than 10 or 15 folks who have already made up their minds? Again, if so.. you are funny.

I had a phone call with someone that lasted two hours and they just kept repeating themselves that the reason that their unemployment insurance claim was denied was that they voted for Trump. Believe it or not.. it was because they misspelled their own name and the legal name of the employer. Nothing I could say was going to change his mind. So I just put the phone on mute and went to work. After 2.5 hours.. he finally just hung up. He eventually filed an appeal and went in front of the board, his diatribe was the same. When asked why he spelled the name "Robert" in the following way, "Robrt".. he stammered and was furious. He kept going on and on about how we were conspiring against him. 

I find most internet forum posters to be exactly like this gentleman. 

i may be too optimistic but i do think the truth can change people. on forums like this then we just have to concentrate on specific questions or facts... and just keep asking the same question over and over again. i've actually had people like relent and say "ok, well maybe i'm not correct here". the secret is in continuing to ask the inconvenient question over and over and in a respectful manner. and remember they will try to change to topic. they will try very hard. and accept their answers. these are people you are talking to. they deserve as much attention as anyone else.

Robert kept getting a question asked. nobody let up. he couldn't answer it. this has been proven to change peoples minds.

Edited January 16, 2024 by godzilla

[impartialobserver]

Just now, godzilla said:

i may be too optimistic but i do think the truth can change people. on forums like this then we just have to concentrate on specific questions or facts... and just keep asking the same question over and over again. i've actually had people like relent and say "ok, well maybe i'm not correct here". the secret is in continuing to ask the inconvenient question over and over and in a respectful manner. these are people you are talking to. they deserve as much attention as anyone else.

Robert kept getting a question asked. nobody let up. he couldn't answer it. this has been proven to change peoples minds.

the gentleman appealed, it was dismissed, and a month later.. he relented and re-submitted. This time with his own name spelled correctly and the legalname  (what appears on the W-2 and not what you see on the street) spelled correctly. He received his benefits. However, nothing that I said nor that of the board made any difference. 

I may simply not be lucky enough to see folks change their mind. I have yet to see it on a forum. The same people say the same things ad nauseum no matter how the other responds to them. 

[godzilla]

3 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

the gentleman appealed, it was dismissed, and a month later.. he relented and re-submitted. This time with his own name spelled correctly and the legalname  (what appears on the W-2 and not what you see on the street) spelled correctly. He received his benefits. However, nothing that I said nor that of the board made any difference. 

I may simply not be lucky enough to see folks change their mind. I have yet to see it on a forum. The same people say the same things ad nauseum no matter how the other responds to them. 

i know that you're mostly right. that we're all here because of the endorphins we get from protecting our own models of how the universe operates. no matter how messed up those models are. and how little training we have in logic.

these forums are probably a waste of time for some of us. populated by people who need to protect their view of the world so badly that their views are unmovable. god knows there are people who would rather die than accept change.

[impartialobserver]

10 minutes ago, godzilla said:

i know that you're mostly right. that we're all here because of the endorphins we get from protecting our own models of how the universe operates. no matter how messed up those models are. and how little training we have in logic.

these forums are probably a waste of time for some of us. populated by people who need to protect their view of the world so badly that their views are unmovable. god knows there are people who would rather die than accept change.

There is a reason that most kept their online persona separate from the person that someone sees in real life. The anonymity keeps them from ever truly having to take into consideration what someone else says. You can believe me or not but I am exactly the same person on here that you would encounter in real life. 

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, godzilla said:

so, there is some grand conspiracy? this is the sort of thing that you believe... in grand conspiracies. one involving tens of thousands of individuals. all winking at each other and are very good at making sure that the entire conspiracy involving, all health workers, doctors, public and private research organizations, national and international health organizations are able to communicate on how this will all go down without one person leaking the plan.

Who said "all"? 

I never said that "all Drs are involved in it". Not all Drs push the vax, godzilla. 

There are entire countries where they acknowledge that vax injuries are serious. Do you think they're part of a conspiracy to discredit the jab? Why doesn't Canada protect our young people? Shouldn't we?

Do you doubt that deaths in 2022 were 30% higher than in 2021? If so, say it. Don't make a vague accusation against me.

Anyways, it's true, even the Toronto Star acknowledged it and there isn't a liberal rag anywhere in the country that's further up Truseau's ass than they are. Why would they lie? Why has our MSM basically ignored that? Isn't it worth a chat?

Do you doubt that several thousand multi-vaxed people died of covid... the vast majority of whom were multi-vaxed... Why have we never heard that on our MSM? Isn't it worth a chat? I bet that most Canadians still think that only a handful of multi-vaxed people have died of covid. Why don't they know the truth? 

Buddy, when 15,000 people died of covid here in 2020 it was the biggest deal ever. The news talked about covid for almost the entirety of every broadcast. When 19,000 people died of covid in 2022 we weren't even talking about it. Not at all. 

You describe the above for me in whatever terms you want, and I don't care whether you use the word conspiracy or not. 

If you don't think we were lied to though, you're an id10t.

Dr Fauci is KNOWN to have funded research that made coronaviruses in the Wuhan lab more transmissible. KNOWN. It's an undisputed fact.

He's also the guy who just said: "We know that the coronavirus came from the Wuhan wetmarket", which is a short walk away. Sorry, but in this world, that's a huge conflict of interest. And then the presence of the BSL4 lab was kept from us. People who talked about the BSL4 lab were banned from social media. 

How is it that people who are telling the most pertinent truths were banned from social media while Fauci was basically lying to us? 

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since i have a background in statistics i'm always preaching that statistics should be mandatory in public school. because numbers don't lie and when some guy who sits in a chair somewhere and does his own "research" on pathology... and decides he gets it, where thousands of people who have been doing this their whole life don't get it. that ridiculous.

Spare me. We've all taken statistics. I knew what a standard of deviation was when you were in diapers. 

I also know what vaccines do, and after you vaccinate 85% of the population, deaths should go down, not raise by 30%. Period. Deaths were spiking when the unvaxed were still in lockdown and the vaxed were free to roam. The early months of 2022 were literally the worst. That's all on vaxtards.

I brought you guys Health Canada's own stats and proved to you dolts that over 85% of covid deaths were occurring among the vaxed. My understanding of stats is above what they were hoping for. 

40 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

and you honestly think that if I call someone out on a forum like this, that they will genuinely change their ways?

Don't accept lies from people. Just call them out. Don't worry about the feelings of someone who just lied to your face. 

[impartialobserver]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Who said "all"? 

I never said that "all Drs are involved in it". Not all Drs push the vax, godzilla. 

There are entire countries where they acknowledge that vax injuries are serious. Do you think they're part of a conspiracy to discredit the jab? Why doesn't Canada protect our young people? Shouldn't we?

Do you doubt that deaths in 2022 were 30% higher than in 2021? If so, say it. Don't make a vague accusation against me.

Anyways, it's true, even the Toronto Star acknowledged it and there isn't a liberal rag anywhere in the country that's further up Truseau's ass than they are. Why would they lie? Why has our MSM basically ignored that? Isn't it worth a chat?

Do you doubt that several thousand multi-vaxed people died of covid... the vast majority of whom were multi-vaxed... Why have we never heard that on our MSM? Isn't it worth a chat? I bet that most Canadians still think that only a handful of multi-vaxed people have died of covid. Why don't they know the truth? 

Buddy, when 15,000 people died of covid here in 2020 it was the biggest deal ever. The news talked about covid for almost the entirety of every broadcast. When 19,000 people died of covid in 2022 we weren't even talking about it. Not at all. 

You describe the above for me in whatever terms you want, and I don't care whether you use the word conspiracy or not. 

If you don't think we were lied to though, you're an id10t.

Dr Fauci is KNOWN to have funded research that made coronaviruses in the Wuhan lab more transmissible. KNOWN. It's an undisputed fact.

He's also the guy who just said: "We know that the coronavirus came from the Wuhan wetmarket", which is a short walk away. Sorry, but in this world, that's a huge conflict of interest. And then the presence of the BSL4 lab was kept from us. People who talked about the BSL4 lab were banned from social media. 

How is it that people who are telling the most pertinent truths were banned from social media while Fauci was basically lying to us? 

Spare me. We've all taken statistics. I knew what a standard of deviation was when you were in diapers. 

I also know what vaccines do, and after you vaccinate 85% of the population, deaths should go down, not raise by 30%. Period. Deaths were spiking when the unvaxed were still in lockdown and the vaxed were free to roam. The early months of 2022 were literally the worst. That's all on vaxtards.

I brought you guys Health Canada's own stats and proved to you dolts that over 85% of covid deaths were occurring among the vaxed. My understanding of stats is above what they were hoping for. 

Don't accept lies from people. Just call them out. Don't worry about the feelings of someone who just lied to your face. 

When we call someone out.. we are expecting them to comprehend this and change their ways. You can lie to yourself and that's fine but that is human nature. They do not comprehend nor do they change your ways. And no matter how many times you say what you are going to say.. their response is exactly the same. This is the definition of insanity... doing somewhere repeatedly and expecting a different result. 

[WestCanMan]

28 minutes ago, godzilla said:

i may be too optimistic but i do think the truth can change people. on forums like this then we just have to concentrate on specific questions or facts... and just keep asking the same question over and over again. i've actually had people like relent and say "ok, well maybe i'm not correct here". the secret is in continuing to ask the inconvenient question over and over and in a respectful manner. and accept their answers. these are people you are talking to. they deserve as much attention as anyone else.

Robert kept getting a question asked. nobody let up. he couldn't answer it. this has been proven to change peoples minds.

Stat guy: tell me what percentage of the people who "died of covid" between these two dates were multi-vaxed, and how many were unvaxed.... It's super easy with a basic understanding of math. You don't need to recall any formulas from way back in the day. 

Most Canadians will take one look at these graphs and say "OMG look at all the unvaxed covid deaths!"... because that's how they were designed. These graphs are almost completely meaningless as the snapshot in time that they are. You have to compare two such snapshots to derive meaning from them. 

 

 

[godzilla]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Stat guy: tell me what percentage of the people who "died of covid" between these two dates were multi-vaxed, and how many were unvaxed.... It's super easy with a basic understanding of math. You don't need to recall any formulas from way back in the day. 

Most Canadians will take one look at these graphs and say "OMG look at all the unvaxed covid deaths!"... because that's how they were designed. These graphs are almost completely meaningless as the snapshot in time that they are. You have to compare two such snapshots to derive meaning from them. 

 

 

again, are you claiming a massive conspiracy? as i described that would be necessary to pull this grand scam off?

but yeah, i don't get your point exactly about the graphs. please explain. what the graphs don't show is the ration of vaxed people and their deaths to unvaxed and their deaths... and thus since some very high percentage of people in Canada are vaxed... the number of deaths as a ratio is very small compared to unvaxed. is that what you are getting at?