The Real Reason Justin Trudeau Won't Be Stepping Down

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, herbie said:

Why don't you?

Attending meetings and conferences is work.

Not when he does it. 

And most of the work is done before hand by other people of course.  Prime ministers generally dont' sit down and hammer out the issues of the day - professional diplomats do that before the meetings. 

The 'fun' part is attending the meetings and flying the flag and announcing the agreements - then the work part is you come home and make all that stuff you announced happen.

And he didn't. He goes to the functions, has a grand old time in 5000 dollar a night rooms, parties it up and then comes back and does nothing.  He'll go to paris, sign the accord, then completely forget about it.

Harper used to go on trade trips and then he'd come back.... WITH TRADE AGREEMENTS!!! Lots of them.  Justin goes and comes back with nothing - and takes two planes to do so apparently.

[Legato]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Attending meetings and conferences is work. 

 

Work implies that the effort in doing it produces tangible results.

Trudeau's carbon emitting boondoggles around the world have produced nothing. Except for maybe a few lots of chuckles behind his back.

Edit:-Sorry CdnFox didn't see your post saying the same.

Edited January 7, 2024 by Legato

[Queenmandy85]

The latest polling analysis by Canada338 shows the CPC down by one seat and the Liberals up 3 seats.

CPC 190, LPC 86, Bloc 32, NDP 28, Greens 2.  Mr. Poilievre will be appointed Prime Minister after the next election.

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The latest polling analysis by Canada338 shows the CPC down by one seat and the Liberals up 3 seats.

CPC 190, LPC 86, Bloc 32, NDP 28, Greens 2.  Mr. Poilievre will be appointed Prime Minister after the next election.

 

Probably a little early to call it JUST yet, but that does appear to be the case at this point.

I'ts not that he's polling well into majority territory,  it's that he's been so consistently there for so many months.

Which means a) people have become used to the idea. They're not afraid of it, they're not worried about the "evil conservatives", by this point it's now become an expectation.  And b) enough people have decided they like him that even if there's a faux pas that causes him to slip at all, it will be very easy to ignite that passion back during a campaign.

So there's some bedrock under those numbers. While they might fluctuate a little he's on solid ground.  Having said that campaigns matter.

A more interesting question at this point is would it be possible to see a liberal collapse? It is possible for parties to utterly collapse under the right circumstances and we've certainly seen that before, federally with the PC party for example and lots of provincial examples.  It's way too soon to tell where the 'floor' might be for the libs.  If they lose the atlantics and a good hunk of quebec to the bloc, and get pounded in ontario which is becoming more and more likely, then they could very well wind up suffering a collapse if PP runs a fantastic campaign and looks like he'll run away with it.   It'll be something to keep an eye on.

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Attending meetings and conferences is work.

I doubt Trudeau's international meetings are "work".  He has aids and secretaries that do the actual work.  All he does is rub elbows with Presidents and PMs and chit chat a bit.  It's an easy life.  A little hob nobbing for a few minutes with big wigs and then relaxation and socializing for the rest of the day and evening.  Hardly called work.

[BeaverFever]

On 1/3/2024 at 6:06 PM, CdnFox said:

I just don't see the liberals electing a girl as leader.

Why do you say that?

Edited January 8, 2024 by BeaverFever

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Why do you say that?

They've been very reluctant to before. 

The conservatives have and had the runner up be a girl a few times, the ndp have of course,  but the libs have always shied away from even putting one forward. For all their 'feminist ally' crap they're still very much an 'old boy's club' party.  Look how they've treated the women in their cabinet positions since justin won.  Raybold cast out for upholding the law, two more driven out with her.  recently some strong contenders who were doing well in the cabinet got demoted.

I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but i'm saying it's unlikely. I also wonder how a female prime minister would play in quebec.  They might put little miss disney plus up as a sacrifice    But seriously - you look back and there's hardly any women who made it to the election ballot and most of them finished very very far behind the leader.  The only time you've seen any number of women was trudeau's run and lets face it - that was a coronation and the other names were just for show. 

I mean, you can't just stick martha finley's name on every single leadership race for 20 years and call it 'equity' 

 

 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The conservatives have and had the runner up be a girl a few times,

When was that?  Kim Campbell was appointed as the sacrificial lamb when they realized they were going to lose by the biggest landslide in Canadian history after Mulroney

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

When was that?  Kim Campbell was appointed as the sacrificial lamb when they realized they were going to lose by the biggest landslide in Canadian history after Mulroney

Hardly.  In fact there was reason to believe that they'd do decently, and "appointed' is an utter joke.  Charest fought tooth and nail to win that.  the landslide was her fault. She ran a crappy as hell campaign against a guy who knew how to campaign well and calling him out on his palsy was beyond stupid.

But - it was more than that of course. They severely underestimated the frustration in the west and the impact the reform would have. And that was the last time the PC ever did much of anything till the Alliance gobbled them up.

So--- bit of a different world.  Kim won fair and square and lost fair and square. 

But i think you're forgetting it was a woman who came within a few votes of winning the leadership when erin was running. She did surprisingly well for a new comer. Leslyn only needed a few more votes and she'd have gone forward against peter instead of erin, and she had the votes to take it at that point. She barely missed, it was a big shock for everyone. So while she came in third she was within a breath of coming in first.

ANd the conservatives put up a number of serious competitors in the scheer campaign, with kelly leitch and lisa raitt doing very well in a very crowded field. Kelly coming in 6th out of 14 which was excellent seeing most of the names were big ones

Actually - i'd have to go back and double check but if i'm not mistaken the cpc has had the most female candidates out of any of the parties for leadership.  And considering how many leadership conventions the libs held that's saying something.

 

I just don't see the libs hiring a female other than little miss disney plus for a throwaway.