Definition of MAGA.

robosmith · January 4, 2024

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Where do the funds come from? The tax payer.

You should stop before more people read this and know your stupidity.

Without your government protection: no job, no taxes, no nothing. Talk about ^stupid

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Apparently you don't know what I don't know, as well as what I know. Don Trump used his clout to force those deadbeat nations to live up to their committment. Canada is included in that list. Of course after Trump is gone they're happy to become lax in their NATO investment. Then they prance around in their tutu's saying that bad ol Trump is a Putin supporter!

But hey, always happy to give you people an edumacation.

What you don't know is that Obama pushed NATO members to pay more long before Trump.

robosmith · January 4, 2024

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Ok...so you really are a goofy lyin' fool.

And you really are BANKRUPT.

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

Modern politics is more about emotions therefore hate than ever before. So the OP's very subjective and hate-filled definition is simply par for the course.

Apparently you're not familiar with the hate filled MAGA CULT, which the OP described to a 'T'.

OftenWrong · January 4, 2024

33 minutes ago, Hodad said:

lol sure.

Why don't you tell the class where this "injection of cash" came from and where it went? Tell us how much money moved from member countries to a NATO account? Tell us how NATO, as an organization, "profits" from conflict?

You have questions? Good.

Go find the answers yourself. It matters to you, not me and not relevant to the topic.

It seems you are desperate to obfuscate the real info and link I provided. Must make it hard to sleep at night being a lefty and finding out you don't know what happened. :rolleyes:

OftenWrong · January 4, 2024

17 minutes ago, robosmith said:

What you don't know is that Obama pushed NATO members to pay more long before Trump.

You're entitled to say whatever you want here, but without a link I will doubt it.

Jens Stoltenberg did not mention Obama in his THANK YOU to TRUMP.

Edited January 4, 2024 by OftenWrong

robosmith · January 4, 2024

7 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

You're entitled to say whatever you want here, but without a link I will doubt it.

Jens Stoltenberg did not mention Obama in his THANK YOU to TRUMP.

If you'd read this thread you'd know I already posted a link.

CdnFox · January 4, 2024

9 minutes ago, robosmith said:

If you'd read this thread you'd know I already posted a link.

Looks like that was AFTER trump started it on the campaign trail and he didnt' actually achieve anything.

So all he was doing was agreeing with trump. So you lied - he didn't "bring it up", he agreed with trump. And he should have

Hodad · January 4, 2024

54 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

You have questions? Good.

Go find the answers yourself. It matters to you, not me and not relevant to the topic.

It seems you are desperate to obfuscate the real info and link I provided. Must make it hard to sleep at night being a lefty and finding out you don't know what happened.

I already know the answers, silly. You clearly do not. That's why I asked you questions that are impossible to answer. Again, you don't seem to understand what NATO is or how it works. Otherwise you wouldn't have spoken of an "injection of cash" from countries [into NATO].

Members countries direct spending on/to NATO infrastructure is almost nothing. Their primary obligations and commitments are to spend 2% of GDP within their own countries, spending on their own military. They aren't giving it to NATO. There is no "injection of cash."

Read your own damn link. It's just one paragraph long. Read it.

"Mr. Stoltenberg highlighted rising defence investment across European Allies and Canada, amounting to more than $100 billion extra in recent years, adding that Allies are determined to keep up the momentum."

^^Countries investing in their own defense capability.

OftenWrong · January 4, 2024

3 hours ago, Hodad said:

I already know the answers, silly.

Then don't waste my time if you know everything already.

Glad to help you and your digital pals who spend their whole day on here catch up on the important work Trump did for NATO when he was prez. For all the time you people spend online, you only seem to know one side of the story. And quick to excuse your heroes for their ignorance as well.

Still waiting for your pal @robosmith 's claim about Obummer doing all the work. Nothing there I guess.

robosmith · January 4, 2024

14 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Then don't waste my time if you know everything already.

Glad to help you and your digital pals who spend their whole day on here catch up on the important work Trump did for NATO when he was prez. For all the time you people spend online, you only seem to know one side of the story. And quick to excuse your Y

You're "still waiting" for a post that is THREE POSTS above ^this one, and ALSO previously posted IN THIS THREAD.

Do you know how to click on a link? LMAO

You just keep justifying your screen name.

OftenWrong · January 5, 2024

55 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You're "still waiting" for a post that is THREE POSTS above ^this one, and ALSO previously posted IN THIS THREAD.

Do you know how to click on a link? LMAO

You just keep justifying your screen name.

Well wherever you "claim" you posted it, doesn't concern me. I asked you a question. As if I have time to go searching through all your drivel.

Carry on...

robosmith · January 5, 2024

8 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Well wherever you "claim" you posted it, doesn't concern me. I asked you a question. As if I have time to go searching through all your drivel.

Carry on...

Cause you believe scrolling up 3 posts or reading THIS THREAD is "searching?

You are pathetic. LMAO

Caswell Thomas · January 5, 2024

On 1/1/2024 at 3:58 PM, CdnFox said:

And what makes him a dictator? what did he 'dictate' last time that was outside of presidential powers?

If anyone could be accused of that it would be biden and obama who greatly expanded the use of the president's signature instead of the house.

How precisely is he a 'dictator' again?

Because he already said dear lady that if elected he intends to BE a Dictator, that's why.

CdnFox · January 5, 2024

2 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Because he already said dear lady that if elected he intends to BE a Dictator, that's why.

So he WAS a dictator because he says he's going to BE a dictator.

So... i get you don't know how english works all that well, but now you don't know how time works either?

SO he's never been a dictator but you feel he might be if hes' elected.

Ok - how. In what way will he be an actual dictator? Where has he said he will step outside his lawful powers and excercise authority he has no right to at all?

Oh - and attempting to shame people based on sex? Really? For all you know i'm a bio female who identifies as male, and you just mis- pronouned me. And even if i am male you're suggesting that if i was a woman i should be angry or ashamed by it. Is that what you stand for?

It's bad enough you're so morally and intellectually bankrupt that you've let yourself become a left wing drone, but it's horrible that you can't even be GOOD at it.

Nationalist · January 5, 2024

19 hours ago, Hodad said:

Hey, dipshit. Your posts don't vanish into the ether just because they were on an earlier page. We can all see what you said. Here it is again:

Being dumb isn't a crime or a moral failing. Just your misfortune in the genetic lottery. Lying about what you said, however, is totally within your control. That's 100% your fault.

You absolutely said that NATO is courting conflict to keep NATO relevant so that NATO can keep collecting money. When the truth is that NATO is an alliance, not an independent entity, it collects almost no money, and it represents a net savings to the member states--and to the taxpayers of those states since you incorrectly seem to think that figures in this conversation.

Grow up, own up, and move on, you deluded toolbag.

Up yours Tweenkie. Every dime NATO spends is public funding. Tax money.

You can go on like this, but it only exemplifies your stupidity.

19 hours ago, robosmith said:

And you really are BANKRUPT.

Apparently you're not familiar with the hate filled MAGA CULT, which the OP described to a 'T'.

What a monumental goof.

Hodad · January 5, 2024

40 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Up yours Tweenkie. Every dime NATO spends is public funding. Tax money.

You can go on like this, but it only exemplifies your stupidity.

What a monumental goof.

Taxes have absolutely nothing to do with your fundamental ignorance of all things NATO or with your ridiculous--impossible--conspiracy theory, Hostess Cuupcake.

Instead of admitting the mistake and moving on, you want to die on this stupid hill? Great, enjoy!

Nationalist · January 5, 2024

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Taxes have absolutely nothing to do with your fundamental ignorance of all things NATO or with your ridiculous--impossible--conspiracy theory, Hostess Cuupcake.

Instead of admitting the mistake and moving on, you want to die on this stupid hill? Great, enjoy!

So where do you think NATO funds come from?

This otta be good...

Hodad · January 5, 2024

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

So where do you think NATO funds come from?

This otta be good...

As I've told you now a dozen times, there are almost no "NATO" funds. The member countries spend about $3 billion collectively on NATO overhead- office facilities, staff, etc.. All the actual spending is countries spending on their own militaries. Regular old defense spending.

And again, where the money "comes from" doesn't matter. Whether it originates as tax revenue or is found under a couch cushion, that has no bearing on the fact that there is no profit motive to keep NATO alive, nor is NATO a third-party positioned to profit from countries' defense spending.. There are just the member nations trying to get more security at lower costs.

What you're proposing is as stupid as claiming that some mysterious "they" in a co-op apartment building is sabotaging the plumbing so that the co-op continues to be relevant, so the co-op can get some money. Well, no, that's not how any of that works. There are just shared costs, and if costs go up, it's bad for all the members. There is no party positioned to benefit from co-op expenses.

Edited January 5, 2024 by Hodad

robosmith · January 6, 2024

15 hours ago, Nationalist said:

What a monumental goof.

Thanks for more proof of your BANKRUPTCY.

WestCanMan · January 6, 2024

On 1/1/2024 at 10:46 AM, jbander1A said:

Many of us came to the conclusion that people would want the definition of MAGA defined for everyone. MAGA is the voice of ignorance and hate. people whom society has totally rejected to keep them away from our children, these people who have been forced because of their nastiness to live quietly on the peripheral of our society, You know the White supremacist the Homophobic, the Xenophobes and the hate based ugly. They have been forced underneath rocks To keep them away from our children.. This group that our christian society have put aside has become the driving force and voice in the new hate party , Known as the MAGA's. You MAGA's don't have to thank me now , let me contribute more so that you really have a great reason to thank me. I'm just looking out for this group who don't seemed to be represented by any intelligent voices

I'm proud to be the exact opposite of you in every way.

WestCanMan · January 6, 2024

15 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Up yours Tweenkie. Every dime NATO spends is public funding. Tax money.

You can go on like this, but it only exemplifies your stupidity.

What a monumental goof.

Don't feed the trolls.

Their negativity and small-mindedness will rub off on you.

On 1/4/2024 at 7:04 PM, CdnFox said:

So he WAS a dictator because he says he's going to BE a dictator.

So... i get you don't know how english works all that well, but now you don't know how time works either?

SO he's never been a dictator but you feel he might be if hes' elected.

Ok - how. In what way will he be an actual dictator? Where has he said he will step outside his lawful powers and excercise authority he has no right to at all?

Oh - and attempting to shame people based on sex? Really? For all you know i'm a bio female who identifies as male, and you just mis- pronouned me. And even if i am male you're suggesting that if i was a woman i should be angry or ashamed by it. Is that what you stand for?

It's bad enough you're so morally and intellectually bankrupt that you've let yourself become a left wing drone, but it's horrible that you can't even be GOOD at it.

Using logic on leftists is like herding cats lol.

CdnFox · January 6, 2024

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Quote

16 hours ago, Nationalist said:

What a monumental goof.

Thanks for more proof of your BANKRUPTCY.

Bankruptcy? Hey @Nationalist, if you're short on cash we can put together a go-fund-me to raise cash for you to smak robodope in the back of the head A campaign like that should be able to raise a few million over night, you'll be liquid in no time

OftenWrong · January 6, 2024

10 hours ago, Hodad said:

As I've told you now a dozen times, there are almost no "NATO" funds. The member countries spend about $3 billion collectively on NATO overhead- office facilities, staff, etc.. All the actual spending is countries spending on their own militaries. Regular old defense spending.

And again, where the money "comes from" doesn't matter. Whether it originates as tax revenue or is found under a couch cushion, that has no bearing on the fact that there is no profit motive to keep NATO alive, nor is NATO a third-party positioned to profit from countries' defense spending.. There are just the member nations trying to get more security at lower costs.

What you're proposing is as stupid as claiming that some mysterious "they" in a co-op apartment building is sabotaging the plumbing so that the co-op continues to be relevant, so the co-op can get some money. Well, no, that's not how any of that works. There are just shared costs, and if costs go up, it's bad for all the members. There is no party positioned to benefit from co-op expenses.

Relevance to the thread about MAGA? It's a treaty organization. They do have some costs.

The point is, thanks to Don Trump these deadbeat countries (including Canada) had to pay up to meet their NATO funding commitments.

Sorry if you don't like that word.

It means to provide a certain amount of funds in defense spending. The spending goes toward NATO programs. Done strategically, in agreement with other NATO members for the purpose to isolate and defend against Russia.

If that goes against the Russian conspiracy screed that you people believe so dearly in,

oh well.

Hodad · January 6, 2024

38 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Relevance to the thread about MAGA? It's a treaty organization. They do have some costs.

The point is, thanks to Don Trump these deadbeat countries (including Canada) had to pay up to meet their NATO funding commitments.

Sorry if you don't like that word.

It means to provide a certain amount of funds in defense spending. The spending goes toward NATO programs. Done strategically, in agreement with other NATO members for the purpose to isolate and defend against Russia.

If that goes against the Russian conspiracy screed that you people believe so dearly in,

oh well.

Congrats for finally catching on. Took a while to get there.

No injection of cash into NATO. Just countries spending on their own militaries. 👍

OftenWrong · January 6, 2024

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

Congrats for finally catching on. Took a while to get there.

No injection of cash into NATO. Just countries spending on their own militaries. 👍

No one said whatever loop you went on, thanks for playing.

Nationalist · January 6, 2024

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

No one said whatever loop you went on, thanks for playing.

So let's close the loop.

"The money they send to NATO directly accounts for less than 1% of overall defense spending by members of the alliance."

"The North Atlantic alliance has its own military budget worth €1.29 billion ($1.4 billion), which is used to fund some operations and the NATO strategic command center, as well as training and research. But it is miniscule compared to overall spending on defense by NATO countries, which NATO estimates will total more than $921 billion in 2017.

The alliance also has a civilian budget of €234.4 million ($252 million), used mainly to fund the NATO headquarters in Belgium, and its administration." https://money.cnn.com/2017/03/20/news/nato-funding-explained/index.html

And that money comes from where? That's right...public tax funds.

The end.