Are we witnessing the globalist hostile takeover of Canada by Justin Trudeau?

[OftenWrong]

On 12/30/2023 at 7:04 PM, Army Guy said:

Well my pet hamster now wears a plastic bag over his hind quarters to trap all his hamster farts, once a week i take it outside and bury it deep under ground...i call it my carbon capture plan...

Good idea. You could ignite the methane... that would change it into less harmful CO2, plus energy.  

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Iran, Russia and China benefit from dissolution of our global alliances in trade and defence.

China benefits from the dissolution of our global alliance? You're out to lunch.

[Queenmandy85]

27 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

China benefits from the dissolution of our global alliance? You're out to lunch.

How is Michael's statement "out to lunch?" As always he has provided a correct analysis.

Edited January 1, 2024 by Queenmandy85

[OftenWrong]

13 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

How is Michael's statement "out to lunch?" As always he has provided a correct analysis.

Maybe I am reading his analysis in a different way than you. When I think about globalism, China is the first country that comes to mind, as it benefits enormously and may soon become the number one economy in the world.

The book criticizes Canada's relationship with China, even beyond trade. I am sure the Chinese would disagree with it, and would agree with him about the book.

You are free to pick which side you're on.

[Michael Hardner]

57 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

China benefits from the dissolution of our global alliance? You're out to lunch.

Like the UN, NATO, USMCA?

 

Of course.

[Queenmandy85]

10 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Maybe I am reading his analysis in a different way than you. When I think about globalism, China is the first country that comes to mind, as it benefits enormously and may soon become the number one economy in the world.

The book criticizes Canada's relationship with China, even beyond trade. I am sure the Chinese would disagree with it, and would agree with him about the book.

You are free to pick which side you're on.

When I think of globalism, I think of the prosperity we enjoy. I am posting this on an iMac 27" computer made in China by an American corporation. It works like a swiss watch. Global trade gives us access to products and markets from all over the world. Global trade has made us wealthy. 

Why has China suddenly become viewed as an enemy? We had good relations with China until the US forced us to arrest Madam Meng Wenzhou.

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Like the UN, NATO, USMCA?

 

Of course.

I read the link. Didn't see where the book says Canada should disassociate with the UN or NATO. Can you show that?

48 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Why has China suddenly become viewed as an enemy?

China was never suddenly viewed as the enemy. China has always been the enemy.

[Queenmandy85]

It did not seem that way after President Nixon asked Prime Minister Trudeau to begin opening up relations with China. 

The only time Canadians have ever fought China was as part of the United Nations Police Action in the Korean Peninsula. Not before or since. We basically had no relations with China after that until President Nixon changed American foriegn policy. He asked Prime Minister Trudeau to open the door because the Chinese people never forgot the contributions made by Dr. Bethune and had a relatively positive view of Canada. Foreign policy should be looking for allies, not making enemies. If you really want an enemy, look no further than Putin's Russia. He is our enemy. We don't need any more than that. If we become involved in a war, it will be with Russia or one of its vassal states. We have no reason to view China as an enemy. 

Another rule in foreign policy is there is no such thing as friends. We have allies. We do not have friends. 

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

 

China was never suddenly viewed as the enemy. China has always been the enemy.

That is true.  They were given favorable trade arrangments so that they wouldn't become MORE of an enemy and be drawn into the USSR's sphere of influence.

It was literally a case of keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

[OftenWrong]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

That is true.  They were given favorable trade arrangments so that they wouldn't become MORE of an enemy and be drawn into the USSR's sphere of influence.

It was literally a case of keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

And did not work, because it was based on a lie that making China wealthy would make them our friends.

That was a bald-faced lie that made western capitalist elites more rich, while they could not care less about the obvious eventual outcome we have today.

"Do not trust the yellow man, he hath no soul."

-Ancient American wisdom.

 

[CdnFox]

45 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

And did not work, because it was based on a lie that making China wealthy would make them our friends.

That was a bald-faced lie that made western capitalist elites more rich, while they could not care less about the obvious eventual outcome we have today.

"Do not trust the yellow man, he hath no soul."

-Ancient American wisdom.

 

well it half worked in the sense that it DID keep china from becoming russia's big trading partner which was the fear.

But yes - politically china has no friends and never will. They are firm believers in the zero sum game.

[OftenWrong]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

well it half worked in the sense that it DID keep china from becoming russia's big trading partner which was the fear.

But yes - politically china has no friends and never will. They are firm believers in the zero sum game.

China likey make trade with wealthy west. China make money, hand-over-fist, while we fund their technological growth and their ultimate goal of becoming the world's strongest military and economic superpower.

Meanwhile...
"Even as weapons and ammunition pour into Ukraine from NATO countries, they are being counterbalanced by Chinese imports— materials vital for Russia’s ability to sustain its continued efforts."

That's why

you people can go eat rice

and soy sauce

 

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

It did not seem that way after President Nixon asked Prime Minister Trudeau to begin opening up relations with China. 

The only time Canadians have ever fought China was as part of the United Nations Police Action in the Korean Peninsula. Not before or since. We basically had no relations with China after that until President Nixon changed American foriegn policy. He asked Prime Minister Trudeau to open the door because the Chinese people never forgot the contributions made by Dr. Bethune and had a relatively positive view of Canada. Foreign policy should be looking for allies, not making enemies. If you really want an enemy, look no further than Putin's Russia. He is our enemy. We don't need any more than that. If we become involved in a war, it will be with Russia or one of its vassal states. We have no reason to view China as an enemy. 

Another rule in foreign policy is there is no such thing as friends. We have allies. We do not have friends. 

I agree that we don’t have friends.  We have relationships, better and worse, with competitors.

You make the mistake of parroting CNN-MSNBC-CBC Democrat talking points that paint Russia as bad and China as good, much as they had tried to say Iran is good and Saudi Arabia is bad.  Context is everything.  All of these places are at times good and at times bad to degrees, some much better than others.

In almost all important wars after the Crimean War Russia was on “our” side.  Through the arms race and media influence we toppled the Soviet Union but continued to pretend that Russia was a dark enemy after the Cold War. China was more isolationist but still pushed communism through alliances and funding.  Now they run the UN and Africa and are benefiting from lopsided climate treaties and internationalist policies that force economic sanctions on Canadians in the name of fighting climate change.

Our reliance on cheap labour and products from overseas has lulled us into a debt-ridden, consumerist facile bubble fostered by Tic Toc and infantilizing and disempowering causes like transhumanism and so-called “anti-colonialism”.   Smart people and smart countries have no time for such nonsense.

We should be abandoning recent radical ideological trends, so we can stop shooting ourselves in the feet and restore the Judeo-Christian values and the constitutional rights at the roots of our once great country that are essential to a healthy democracy and a thriving economy.

The path to prosperity isn’t more euthanasia, sex changes, hard drugs, and belittling of our industries, traditions, and designated identity groups.

Canada needs a restoration.

Edited January 1, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Queenmandy85]

23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You make the mistake of parroting CNN-MSNBC-CBC Democrat talking points that paint Russia as bad and China as good,

No, I did not say China is "good." I said they make a better ally than an enemy and they, too, have always been on our side in the Great War and the Second World War but not the Korean War. 

And for the record, I never watch CNN MSNBCor any other American News except for two segments on PBS News - Politics Monday and Brooks and Capehart. American news doesn't even try to be balanced and objective. I get my news from CBC, and NRK. NRK is by far the best source of news.

 

Edited January 1, 2024 by Queenmandy85

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said:

No, I did not say China is "good." I said they make a better ally than an enemy and they, too, have always been on our side in the Great War and the Second World War but not the Korean War. 

 

Under better leadership both Russia and China would be our allies.  We lost an opportunity to really engage Russia in the 90’s.  With China we sold out on human rights to make a quick buck.

[eyeball]

On 12/29/2023 at 7:48 PM, CdnFox said:

And yet they achieved more than the liberals have on the climate change front.

 

On 12/30/2023 at 6:04 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

Could you explain?

 

On 12/30/2023 at 10:26 AM, CdnFox said:

It's pretty straight forward. GHG emissions went down under harper

There's a big difference between claiming what Harper achieved and stating what simply happened under him.

The difference in CO2 emissions attributed to Harper is 7 Mt, down to 723 from 730.

The Harper government took credit for the 7 Mt overall reduction in greenhouse gases, while critics claimed that the Harper government was against measures to curb climate change and global warming. Some point to the Financial crisis of 2007–2008 and the Province of Ontario closing its coal power plants as the reason for the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions during the premiership of Stephen Harper, factors that were outside his control.^[2]   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_policy_of_the_Stephen_Harper_government

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Then as part of the economic stimulus he did the GST rebate for people who upgraded their furnaces and insulation etc, and a hell of a lot of people took advantage of that (which our GHG numbers still benefit from today).

This is a pretty specific claim that should be quantifiable with data that draws a straight line from these people, furnaces and insulation to the 7 Mt cited. 

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

I read the link. Didn't see where the book says Canada should disassociate with the UN or NATO. Can you show that?

Reference to UN controlling Canada, and" treaties being signed" without consent of the people.

[OftenWrong]

3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I said they make a better ally than an enemy and they, too, have always been on our side in the Great War and the Second World War but not

Did you see what they did to us during Covid? I think that reveals their true motives. They are not on our side.

China screwed us when they reneged on their/Trudeau's proposal to develop the 'Cansino' vaccine. Result- Canada had to do an about-face and purchase from Pfizer and Moderna. This is long after they've taken major orders from other countries, pitting Canada on a waiting list.

Canada had to borrow vaccine from a vaccine exchange bank set up by the WHO to provide vaccine to third world countries. Canada later donated vaccine to this third world fund.

Canada also had to agree to purchase a much larger amount of vaccine than needed.

Not to mention that China withheld PPE during the crisis.

Canada purchases about 80-90% of our medication and ppe from China.

There was a rumour that in the early days of the outbreak they communicated to Chinese citizens worldwide to buy PPE in their countries and ship them to China.

Had enough? No?

China’s Epic Dash for PPE Left the World Short on Masks

(Bloomberg)

United Front groups in Canada helped Beijing stockpile coronavirus safety supplies

(Global News)

etc.

[OftenWrong]

4 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

in the Great War and the Second World War but not the Korean War. 

Because they became communist at that point, and thus our enemies. It's pretty simple, one just has to not forget history.

[OftenWrong]

22 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Reference to UN controlling Canada, and" treaties being signed" without consent of the people.

I don't see it saying the things you said earlier. 

"Like the UN, NATO, USMCA?"

The link mentions WEF, but nothing about UN, NATO or USMCA. It's about the influence of WEF on countries and organizations.

You are off topic once again.

Surprise, surprise. 

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, OftenWrong said:

I don't see it saying the things you said earlier. 

"Like the UN, NATO, USMCA?"

 

Those are treaties aren't they?

 

Doesn't the OP refer to the UN?

 

It's all there.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

 

 

There's a big difference between claiming what Harper achieved and stating what simply happened under him.

 

we've been through this. Sorry but the recession does not account for the drop, nor does it account for why it stayed low during the reovery - nor why it dropped before the recession started.  Remember in Canada the recession and slowdown didnt' start till more like 2009 as we see here:

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/recession

 

So - as i previosuly posted the reduction in emissions started in 2007.  Two years before our gdp and economy would take a hit from the world wide recession. 

And our emissions stayed lower - till trudeau came along.

I know lefties froth at the mouth to try to explain WHY Harper did better than justin has - but sorry.  Economic slow down doesn't cut it.

Sooowweeeeeeee  

[OftenWrong]

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

we've been through this. Sorry but the recession does not account for the drop, nor does it account for why it stayed low during the reovery - nor why it dropped before the recession started.  Remember in Canada the recession and slowdown didnt' start till more like 2009 as we see here:

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/recession

 

So - as i previosuly posted the reduction in emissions started in 2007.  Two years before our gdp and economy would take a hit from the world wide recession. 

And our emissions stayed lower - till trudeau came along.

I know lefties froth at the mouth to try to explain WHY Harper did better than justin has - but sorry.  Economic slow down doesn't cut it.

Sooowweeeeeeee  

You may be right about Harper, but on the other hand both parties lie incessantly about their work on the environment.

Whether that be ghg, pollution, trees, wetlands or what have you.

I know for a fact there is a lot being covered up.

In other words, government you say?

"You know they are a liar."

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

You may be right about Harper, but on the other hand both parties lie incessantly about their work on the environment.

Yeah, i can't put forward any environmental policy successful or otherwise from anyone else so i can't dispute that.

 

2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Whether that be ghg, pollution, trees, wetlands or what have you.

Wellllll -  both parties did support the hunters environmental orgs back in the day and the hunters did do a crap tonne for the wetlands and such through orgs like ducks unliminted, but i think that was more provincial support than anything now that i think about it although the feds played a role.  but - that was a long time ago i guess if we're being fair. I guess i'm splitting feathers a bit

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"You know they are a liar."

Sure.

I feel like I'm kind of getting my butt kicked here and i can't remember why we were talking about this - remind me?   

[eyeball]

54 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Remember in Canada the recession and slowdown didnt' start till more like 2009 as we see here:

I remember it well. The company I worked for took such a hit and business slowed down so much I went back fishing.  Hard times are usually good times for fishermen...we slayed fish day and night...600000 pounds in 4 months.  Biggest year of my career.  I burned a lot less fuel than if I'd stayed at my regular job too so there you go.       

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So - as i previosuly posted the reduction in emissions started in 2007.  Two years before our gdp and economy would take a hit from the world wide recession. 

Right when Ontario was shutting big coal plants down.

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And our emissions stayed lower

Which you're attributing to Harper's GST rebates. So where's the data and evidence for that?